Fish/Reptile/Amphib Survive the FLOOD?

[anotherbrother]

Hey everyone, I could use your imput on this:

"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."

Gen 7:21-24 KJV

I ask you would it be possible for amphibians (using gills) and/or fish and/or reptiles to survive the flood?

Would there be any ramifictions of this?????

Here is why I ask -- I have come across a theory (NOT MINE!) that demonic forces (even the "giants" mentioned in Genesis) used these creatures as vessels to survive the flood. Who cares you ask??? Take a look at this interesting data:

CIVILIZATION FOUNDER YEAR PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC
Egyptian Isis/Osiris 3100 BC Reptilian
Mayan Quertzacoalt 3113 BC Reptilian
Chinese Fuxi 3322 BC Amphibian/Reptilian
African (Dogon) Nommo ~3000 BC Fishlike humanoid

Has anyone heard of any theories like this before???
Any opinions???
The years of origin and physican characteristics are very interesting to me.
This is NOT my theory, I am looking for advice/input.


In Christ -- AB

[cardboardpunk]

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[kublakahn]

I have heard of something similar in a book by Grahm Hancock called "Fingerprints of the Gods". Not too sure about it all but it was an interesting read. Not sure if Grahm is a Christian or not and the book was certainly not from a Christian perspective so take it with a grain of salt. Where did you hear about this theory?

[anotherbrother]

How did I hear about it...

A Christian brother has done some research which he shared with me (not published in by a major publisher) about the history of our faith and some of the possible attempts of Satan to undermine our faith in Christ. This specific topic regarding the flood and various demon-filled creatures has many ramifications to other world religions and false beliefs. Some of the conclusions drawn were made with the help of the Book of Enoch.

Here is some more eye opening stuff that goes along with it:

The acient Greeks worshipped serpent kings that were called "Basilisks" (Royal Serpents). They worshipped them in temples called basilicas. One of these basilicas was built on the island of Delos for the Serpent King Poseidon (Oxford Classical Dictionary 1996). The Roman basilica of the Serpent King Jupiter was built in 184 BC by Porcius Cato. Emperor Constantine Augustus finished the basilica started by Maxentius in 4 AD (Oxford Class. Dict). Julius Caesar and the roman emperors for the first four centuries were called "Vicar of Jupiter." (Hislop, A "The Two Babylons" and Del Mar, A "The Worship of Augustus Ceaesar" The Christian Book Club of America.)

also...

Quetzacoalt (Mayan) means "plummed serpent"

It is an interesting study and I wondered if anyone else here as looked into these connections. I believe that if they are true, they may have significance in evangelism and also in giving Christians more firepower in accouting for other world religions in terms of apologetics. Additionally, a healthly awareness of how the enemy has infiltrated history and also our current state via these avenues may help us in our quest to recognize where the enemy has gained ground in our society so that we may take heed and overcome with Christ.

Again, I would appreciate your thoughts/opinions. I am looking into this for a friend and could use your help.

YBIC -- AB

[Albernon]

Who would demons have to "escape" the flood? You can't kill a spirit with water. I would say the theory is flawed to begin with - IMHO! :D

God Bless!

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

Dagon in the OT was the Philistines god I believe..........and the statute was part man and part fish, don't know if that helps you any..........but it's interesting.

They put the Ark of the Covenant in the temple of Dagon and the next day it was on it's face before the Ark. Then the following day they found it with its head and hands I believe broken off.......again face down.....only his stump remained which in my footnotes says "the fishy part".

You can read about it in 1 Samuel 5.

[anotherbrother]

Joyous,

Yes, this goes along with it and thank you for posting. The correlations are profound when you put them all together. Here is some more:

Soon after teh flood, the Chaldeans worshipped the child Dagon and his mother Beltis (Hislop, "The Two Babylons") These were called merman and mermaid, suggesting reptilian lower extremities. Regarding the physical characteristics of Dagon -- Dagon is often seen on reliefs in the Palace of Sargon, on Babylonian cylinder seals, on Phoenician and Persian coins, and on Greco-Phoenician scarabs.

Dagon was later worshipped as the Indo-Iranian Sun deity, Mirthra, the "Mediator." During the second and third century AD, Mithra became the roman "invictus deus dolis Mithras", the invincible sungod savior Mitras (Oxford Classical Dictionary).

Here is the scripture which relates:

"And the Philistines took the ark of God, and brought it from Eben-ezer unto Ashdod. When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the Lord. And they took Dagon, and set him in his place again. And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the Lord and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold only the stump of Dagon was left to him. There fore neither the priests of Dagon, nor any that come into Dagon's house tread on the threshold of Dagon in Ashdod unto thi day. 1 Sam 1-5

Albernon --

Good question. I believe the "why" relates to this passage from the Book of Enoch. Enoch is a "hidden" book that is referenced by Jude in Jude 1:14 where Enoch is reference. Here is the text from the book of Enoch translated by R. H. Charles:

"And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth and evil spirits shall they be called. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. And the spirits of the giants afflict, pooress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble; they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences."

Enoch goes on to talk more about these spirits. So getting back to your question, they are from the fallen "Watchers" before the flood. Since their dwelling is on Earth, they would have had to survive somehow on Earth in order to continue to be here. Thus, the point of the post.

There are many ramifications if these fallen "Watchers" have infiltrated our society. This includes but is not limited to the origins of many pagan cults and worship.

Who cares? Satan will try to deceive many in the end times. I believe one way this MAY happen is through these pagan gods of old but I am in no way certain of this, just something to watch out for I guess. I would prefer not to get into it too much in this forum (it is not end times chat) I just need input on this subject of surviving the flood.

Any comments on the Book of Enoch and the correlation are also appreciated.

Thanks again for your imput so far....
YBIC -- AB

[anotherbrother]

I pulled this off of "Breaking news" from a thread there about "Tongue Splitting."

This is just one of the many things I have seen that goes along with this theory of Amphibian/Reptile/Fish and the pagan human fascination with them.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/tonguesplitting/tonguesplitting

[anotherbrother]

Could really use some input on this. Does anyone here think that scripture would support survival of the flood by sea???

YBIC -- Ab