question about the holy spirit

[ylf1999]

Hey guys,

I have a question. My friend who is a christian and I were discussing today whether the holy spirit leaves us when we sin or not.

anyway I heard that the holy spirit leaves us when we sin but I haven't seen biblical evidence for it.

Can anyone tell me what happens when we sin? does the Holy spirit leave us?

The bible tells us that our body is the temple of the holy spirit. so logically it might leave because it cant tolerate sin.

My friend argued that the holy spirit stays put when we sin because the bible says "I shall never leave you or forsake you" but that is about Jesus and not the holy spirit.

[skylark]

I don't think that the Holy Spirit leaves us each time that we sin. But, I do think that unconfessed sin that we have not repented of can make us less aware of His presence. The reason that he can dwell with us to begin with is that our sin is covered by the blood of Jesus.

We are warned not to quench the spirit in 1 Thess. 5:19.

[Hootmon]

The Holy Spirt 'accuses' us when we sin.

If it left, then what would prevent you from sinning even more?

[ylf1999]

thanks for the inpute guys.

I need to look up the bible verse mentioned in the book of Thess later tonite

YBIC

[kevandrew]

it doesnt leave you, but it separates the spirit and you, but with repenting the spirit will be strong again.

Isaiah 59:2

[ylf1999]

hey guys I want you to take a look at Psalm 51 verse 11

David actually said "do not cast me from your presense and do not take your holy spirit away from me"

[glorydays]

ylf1999,

David could lose the Holy Spirit -- he was OT.

We cannot -- we are new covenant. We can grieve the Spirit when we do the opposite of what he says. We can quench the Spirit when we don't do what He says. Look those up in a conclrdance for the verses. All it means is what someone said before -- we lose our sensitivity to His teaching, to His comfort, to His praying for us and we must confess our sin to regain those.

[ylf1999]

Originally posted by glorydays
ylf1999,

David could lose the Holy Spirit -- he was OT.

We cannot -- we are new covenant. We can grieve the Spirit when we do the opposite of what he says. We can quench the Spirit when we don't do what He says. Look those up in a conclrdance for the verses. All it means is what someone said before -- we lose our sensitivity to His teaching, to His comfort, to His praying for us and we must confess our sin to regain those.



glorydays-I hate to be a skeptic but can you prove this using the bible? does the book of Acts say something like that? I'm not trying to be annoying I'm just trying to make sure my beliefs are 100% biblical

YBIC

[ConservPride]

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

[dusty]

I believe the scriptures determine that the saint's accuser is Satan. :)

The HS is said to convict the world of sin because they do not believe.

In the garden, the Holy Life of God left Adam because of sin, leaving man with 2 problems he was helpless to remedy -- sin and death. God provided the remedy for both...Christ was the Lamb of God that took away sins. Sin had to be removed out of the way in order for man to be permanently indwelt by God's Life, or man would, just like Adam, lose God's Life each time he sinned.

Only God is righteous and man needs His righteous Life indwelling in order to be with God. Before the cross, the OT saint's faith was accounted as righteousness. Those who died in faith waited in Paradise until Christ paid the debt for sins and was resurrected so they could be given His righteous Holy Life.


:)

[glorydays]

ylf1999,

Actually, Acts 18-19 is a very good study in just that difference! Acts 19:1-8 shows 12 of John the Baptists disciples (OT type believers) who encounter Paul.

He asks, have you received the Holy Ghost?

The reply, We had never heard that there was a Holy Ghost.

It was then that Paul told them about Christ Whom, upon receiving, they receive the indwelling Spirit. Now they were church saints!

The "cutoof" for the existence of both OT and NT saints living at one time seems to be the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. After that, all must come by Christ.

[ylf1999]

Originally posted by dusty
I believe the scriptures determine that the saint's accuser is Satan. :)

The HS is said to convict the world of sin because they do not believe.

In the garden, the Holy Life of God left Adam because of sin, leaving man with 2 problems he was helpless to remedy -- sin and death. God provided the remedy for both...Christ was the Lamb of God that took away sins. Sin had to be removed out of the way in order for man to be permanently indwelt by God's Life, or man would, just like Adam, lose God's Life each time he sinned.

Only God is righteous and man needs His righteous Life indwelling in order to be with God. Before the cross, the OT saint's faith was accounted as righteousness. Those who died in faith waited in Paradise until Christ paid the debt for sins and was resurrected so they could be given His righteous Holy Life.


:)

that is really interesting dusty. I think that gives us all some food for thought.

I looked up Esp 4:30 I need to admit I never saw that until now.

by the way is there anyone here that believes in the "once saved not always saved" doctrine? I don't mean to be nosy or rude. I'm just wondering.

YBIC

[carmen]

I didn't see mention of John 14:16, but it seems relevant: And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[matheteou]

Might want to look at Jude 24 alsoNow to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy

[greatestislove]

In Hebrew thought the Spirit of God had two functions.

First, the Spirit revealed God's truth to men.

Second, The Spirit enabled men to recognize and understand that truth when it came to them.

In short, the Spirit makes it possible to know and understand the truth of God.

gil

[Jeffer]

Originally posted by ConservPride
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.