"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

[christiansrock]

what do you guys think about this??

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" -Jesus as He was on the cross...

[Proudmommy]

Jesus took on all the sins of mankind. God can not stand sin, so when Jesus took on our sins, He was separated from God. It felt like God had forsaken Him.

[christiansrock]

thats exactly what i have been told. almost ver badum... score. thanks!!

[ConservPride]

Psalm 22

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

[Hootmon]

Originally posted by Proudmommy
Jesus took on all the sins of mankind. God can not stand sin, so when Jesus took on our sins, He was separated from God. It felt like God had forsaken Him. I agree completely.

If you think its bad for people to be seperated from God, it was unimaginably worse for Jesus. The sheer magnitude of Jesus' sacrifice at that moment...

I cant find the words to complete that sentence.

[ylf1999]

okay here is one of thing things I am probably never going to understand :P

but anyway. the gospel of John tells us that Jesus is God. so what happened when he felt the separation from god. did he become a mortal or was he still god.

can anyone explain this to me. I really would like to understand it better

the deity of christ has always been hard for me to understand. I take it 100% of faith that Jesus is God.

YBIC

[Proudmommy]

I don't know how to explain that one. We will just have to ask God and Jesus about it when we get there. :)

[Wileyzmuse]

Ylf I'm always afraid to ask that question when this comes up every Easter. I feel that it means my faith is weak.

Maybe it was Jesus' physical being that cried out, his pain cried out to God, yet His spirit is eternal. I think that it's good Jesus said this because if he had just silently died, we wouldn't identify with Him as much because we wouldn't know that He felt the same depth of pain that we do?

I really don't know....

YSIC,
Patricia

[cubbie]

Originally posted by ylf1999
okay here is one of thing things I am probably never going to understand :P

but anyway. the gospel of John tells us that Jesus is God. so what happened when he felt the separation from god. did he become a mortal or was he still god.

can anyone explain this to me. I really would like to understand it better

the deity of christ has always been hard for me to understand. I take it 100% of faith that Jesus is God.

YBIC

Logically, If Jesus and the Father were not one than He would not have felt a seperation. It only confirms the trinity when you think about it.:b

[dusty]

I believe He was fulfilling prophecy.

The Godhead, it's fulness dwelling in Jesus bodily, is by definition eternal -- there can be no disruption to the union.

Only God Himself could bare the sins of all of mankind. To be separated from the union of God would mean that one would become less than God, and that God did not provide Himself as a sacrifice.

A study on the eternal union between the Father, Spirit, and Son would probably help clarify things more fully.


:)

[John6:63]

If you can recall, Jesus always referred to God as Father. As a few of the posts say it was when Jesus bore our sins and became sin that Jesus felt the separation for His Father. (Mat 27:46) This separation was only for a moment; b/c in (Luke 23:46) Jesus refers to God as Father right before He gives up His sprit.

[Ruckus]

Did the Father Leave the Son on the Cross?

I agree there is/was no disruption of the unity. This site gives a good explanation....

http://answers.org/theology/forsaken.html

[John6:63]

I’ve also read on the net that the words Jesus spoke on the cross, which was in Aramaic, was misinterpret.

If you recall Jesus praying in the garden, He was asking His Father (Mat 26:39) “…O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

This cup is the wrath of His Father. Jesus knew what His purpose was and it was to bare our sins and become sin. Jesus wasn’t worried about suffering on the cross. He was terrified of the wrath of His Father and the separation he would face.

A friend of mine at work and I was talking about this exact topic. The next Monday he came in with a tape of a sermon in which his pastor spoke on this exact topic.

You can listen to the sermon here. I don’t attend this church, but after I heard the sermon and reviewed the Gospels I tend to have a better understanding. But we each can form our own opinion.

Click on “God's Miraculous Commentary of the Cross “ (http://www.mount.org/resources/sermons.htm)

[MikeJ]

christiansrock,

The Son's fellowship with the Father and the Holy Spirit, for three of the hours while He was on the cross, was temporarily broken, not His relationship. He was still God, the Son of God the whole time He was on the cross.

Mike

[warbar]

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. That Psalm begins with, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?"

He was fulfilling that Psalm on the cross. Psalm 22 was written 600 years earlier. Verses 11-18:

"Be not far from me, for trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have surrounded me; strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me. They open wide their mouth at me, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; and Thou dost lay me in the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me; they PIERCED MY HANDS AND MY FEET. I can count all my bones, They look, they stare at me; They DIVIDE MY GARMENTS AMONG THEM, And for my CLOTHING THEY CAST LOTS."

[Xlcor]

I agree with ConservPride that Jesus ws quoting from Psalm 22, which he was actually fulfilling as he spoke, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"