Generational Curses

[Timothy]

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For those that believe that "generational curses" exist, please provide your Biblical references for the following.

1 - Verse(s) that show generational curses do exist.
2 - Verse(s) that indicate who is responsible for placing the curse.
3 - Verse(s) that describe the how the curse is to be removed.

Originally posted by Mongoose60 ...This year,one of these demons even tried to posses me and found out the hard way as to what happens when they try to do this to a Christian.Let's put it this way.It was a very electrical experience,and I hope that the demon felt it to a strong degree...

Please provide a Biblical reference that a saved person can be possessed.

[onelamb]

The thought of generational curses comes from the scripture that says: The sins of the fathers are visited upon the third and the fourth generation. I'm not sure where it is in the Bible-I think it talks about the tendency for sin to take ahold in the family-for example alcoholism has a tendency to run in families as does abuse and such. What breaks it is the BLOOD of Jesus. No Christan can be posssesed. However, satan does send his fiery darts our way and when it comes down to it-I don't care if he's on the end of my nose-I want him gone. We fight him with the Blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.
We are in warfare and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but are mighty through God.

[Mongoose60]

No Christians can be possessed,that is why the demon found out the hard way concerning his run at me.It hit the Christian body armor,head on and found that it repels very well.:) Demonic activity is a very common factor at my last work place,(a Christian reform program).

[just_jim]

Originally posted by Mongoose60
No Christians can be possessed,that is why the demon found out the hard way concerning his run at me.It hit the Christian body armor,head on and found that it repels very well.:) Demonic activity is a very common factor at my last work place,(a Christian reform program).
Really...?

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[Timothy]

Mongoose60 - Do you realize or truly understand what you are saying? Do you have any scripture with which to support your belief?

You are saying that demons are more powerful than the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that demons can literally kick out the Holy Spirit out of someone who is saved, thereby unsealing someone.

Romans 8:9-11 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

I Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

II Timothy 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

II Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Colossian 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power

[pilgrimian]

I've heard lots of folks in the Assemblies use this sort of terminology. It's just peculiar to me.

Thanks, Timothy...very good Scripture points.

God's blessings in our glorious Messiah,
Matthew

[Mongoose60]

This was a real event,that took place back in 1/03,while I was driving my car yet.:mad For some reason,the demon that decided to make this run at me,wasn't able to discern that I had Christian armor on.As to why the demon was blind to this,I have no idea.Only God can really know the answer to this particular point.Anyways,the attack almost caused me to black out.For those who don't know my story,I've been having to put up with a group of demons since X-mas week.It's a work related problem because I used to work for Teen Challenge and many of those reform students have been involved in dark activities.This past Monday,the state of Minnesota has ruled in my favor,stating that my work situation was one of demonic harassment and not mental illness which is what TC tried to do as a cop-out.Nice management!!!:mad :b

[Mongoose60]

This thread that I'am listing below,goes back to when I first started to seek out prayer support here at RR due to the nature of what I was having to go through.

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=631158#post631158

Because this thing continues to go on and on,it follows the heading of God's Will,things that God will allow due to one or more reasons that he may let something like this,to take place within a Christian's life.Evil of course,is the one that is conducting the attacks.

[Shyguy]

John 9:1-5 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

I do not believe in generational curses as well. Sometimes bad things just happen. When bad things happen those are the times we are supposed to be closer to God. To rely on his strength and his wisdom. A bad event is an event to show the power and glory of God by relying on him to defeat it so as to be a witness to others.

Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

We are under a new covenant were we are judged for our own actions and our own sin. Claiming a curse is a way to skirt the blame.

[Mongoose60]

This is for just_jim,the passages that you mentioned above;concern as to how Peter was having a hard time with Jesus talking about how he will one day be put to death.Peter didn't want to have this happen but Jesus had to rebuke Peter by telling him the importance of looking at this issue from God's perspective than looking at this from an earthly viewpoint.

[joint heir]

I am not sure to what degree I believe in generational curses....but I do believe that certain sins are passed down through genetics and learned behavior....

interestingly though I fell into some of the same exact sins that my father did..although I never knew this until after the fact..

I certainly prayed for release from any curse for my daughter (I figured it couldn't hurt to pray);)

In my understanding God works through families....but it also makes sense that sin works through families too.....since sin resides in our flesh and we inherit this through Adam

[anothersister]

Some thoughts on this topic...
(much of this is from Jim Logan's book "Reclaiming Surrendered Ground" and my KJV Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible under 1637 Parent's Sins)

Just to emphasize that Christ broke the greatest curse:
Galatians 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of GOd, it is evident : for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Generational curses in the old testament
Exodus 20:5 "...I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." (Deuteronomy 5:9)

Exodus 34:7 "...visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

Leviticus 26:39-40
39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the inquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Numbers 14:18 "The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Nu. 14:33)

Sin's consequences upon children
Job 21:19 "God layeth up his iniquity for his children: he rewardeth him, and he shall know it" or from my NASB
"You say, God stores away a man's iniquity for his sons. Let God repay him so that he may know it."

Isaiah 14:21 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities."

Jeremiah 14:20 "We acknowledge, O Lord, our wickedness, and the iniquitiy of our fathers: for we have sinned against thee."

God's promises of blessings to future generations
Leviticus 26:40-42
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covneant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

My thoughts on this matter...
I believe that there can be generational curses, that sins from our ancestors have the ability to affect us. However, once we are saved by the blood of the lamb, have claimed Christ as our Savior, we know that His blood frees us from all sin and frees us from any curses. The power lies in Christ.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins, and their iniquities will I remember no more.