Favorite Bible Teachers?

[Warrior Prophet]

Dear All,
I'm just wondering what some of your favorite Bible teachers are. No offense to any, but this isn't a question about your fav 'prophecy teacher'. I'm talking straight-shooting Bible teaching ministries.

Here are some of mine:
J. Vernon McGee
Hank Hanegraaff
Charles Stanley
Bob Davis (local Calvary Chapel teacher)
Chip Ingram


There are others I'll list that I think are great sound teachers. I want to know who you guys like.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[KrispyKritter]

Benny Hinn
Paul Crouch
Jesse Duplantis
...oops... wait... you said "favorite" ... not LEAST favorite!

Nevermind!

Mine are:

Holy Spirit
Chip Ingram
Skip Heitzig
Tony Evans

[Patty T]

I love J Vernon McGee - I listened to him on the radio for almost a year before I found out he was dead!!! There was just something about the way he taught that captured my attention.

I also like John Hagee and Andrew Womack (sp?) on the INSP channel.

Probably my all-time favorite bible teacher was our old pastor though; he was the best at teaching that I have ever heard or seen.

Patty

[cameron222]

Best #01 overall favorite of all time.......

Adrian Rogers

Others I like.....

Gerald Mann (Most down to Earth)
Bailey Smith
J. R. Church
E. V. Hill (deceased)

[cubbie]

If you want to hear great sermons my suggestion would be Jon Courson and his son Peter John. You can find them here...Applegate fellowship (http://www.applegatefellowship.com)

[pilgrimian]

Uh, yeah, of course the Holy Spirit...

Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum (http://www.ariel.org/ffruit.html)

Charles C. Ryrie

Erwin Lutzer

Folks at Conservative Theological Society (http://www.conservativeonline.org/articles.htm)

(includes Larry Crutchfield who teaches at Columbia Evangelical (http://conservativeonline.org/journals/2_4_journal/church%20_fathers_foundations_dispensationalism_frm.htm))

Ravi Zacharias

Yes, dead ones are good, too...Harry Ironsides, Lewis Sperry Chafer, John Walvoord, et al.

God's blessings,
Matthew

[anasazi]

I like old dead preachers:Dr. J Vernon Mcgee and Dr. Oliver B Green.----------------------------- live ones:Billy Graham, Charles Stanley.

[heatest]

John MacArthur
James White
John Piper
Erwin Lutzer
James M. Boice

[Spider]

Here's a guy I have been listening to lately. If you are ever feeling down...listen to him. His enthusiasm is contagious!

James MacDonald - Walk in the Word

http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/walk_in_the_word/

God Bless!
Jan
:)

[onelamb]

Most favorite"

John Hagee
Joyce Meyer
Jack Hayford
David Jeremiah
Chuck Smith

Least favorite:

John MacArthur (I turn the station)
Hank Haanegraph-divisive
J Vernon Magee.-boring

[inspector]

My favorite Bible Teachers/Defenders:

John MacArthur
John Hagee
James Montgomery Boice
Henry Morris
Dwight Pentecost
Spiros Zodhiates
William Lane Craig
Louis Berkhof (except amill. position)
M. Lloyd Jones


Dislike:

Kenneth Copeland
Benny Hinn
Kennth Hagin
Jessie Duplantis
Robert Schuller
Rod Parsley
R.W. Schambach

[FunkyHulaGirl]

My number one favorite is probably Jonathan Cahn - he's a Messianic Jewish preacher who teaches from a Jewish perspective - he sheds a whole new light on the Bible, including the New Testament. Things that didn't make sense before do when he explains them...he even makes the BORING OT books interesting! :)

Also -

Charles Stanley

Chuck Missler

John Hagee

Matthew Hagee (even better than his Dad!)

Joel Osteen

Wayne Cordiero (from New Hope Fellowship in Honolulu)

I didn't know J. Vernon McGee was dead. I don't know if he's good or not, because when he comes on the radio I immediately switch channels. There's something about his voice that to me is like chalk on a blackboard! :(

[BlueX]

Adrian Rodgers

David Jeremiah

Charles Stanley

[Spider]

No one has mentioned Zola Levitt...I like him also...

My favorites in order:
Charles Stanley
David Jeremiah
Tony Evans
James MacDonald
Chuck Swindoll
Joel O'Steen
Zola Levitt
John Hagee
There is one woman teacher that I like, but I won't bring up her name as most here think she is heretical, but I don't...soooo, there ya go.

and a friend at work said I MUST read H.A. Ironsides...so that is on my soon to be purchased list...

I think God is beginning to let me chew on some "meat"....

For some reason the only "credible" person I have trouble listening to is Kay Arthur...it has to be a personality conflict because most people like her, but I just can't listen....

I listen to most of these at Oneplace or on the radio...

Jan
:)

[cameron222]

I am also coming to like Joel Osteen......he has the gift.

[cameron222]

Oh Yes...and Zola. He has forgotten more prophecy than Hal Lindsey knows. It always helps to have a Jew who has been saved to really understand the Bible. Zola is on the mark.

[Boomer]

David Jeremiah
John Hagee
James Merritt
Charles Stanley
Perry Stone
Zola Levitt
Chuck Missler
Joyce Meyer
Joel Osteen
David Reagan


No wonder I don't get anything done around here--too busy listening to these guys. :)

[Warrior Prophet]

Onelamb,
Okay, you've laid down the gauntlet. How is Hank Hanegraaf 'divisive'? All I see is that he encourages Christians to study the Bible for themselves and learn a more intellectual approach to the faith, rather than mere emotional experience.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[Elizabeth_S]

Charles Stanley - (just joined his learning institute online (free!!!)) That is awesome!

My pastor Bob Taylor - He does some old fashioned (but not really fire and brimstone) preaching ( :D ). Right from the bible and I like the way he is on fire for God and truth in Jesus.

Adrian Rodgers - is good, don't know him that well, but sound teaching everytime I have listened to him.

Joel Osteen - Cause he can be straight to the point and funny(but watch him like a hawk, almost sounds prosperous sometimes)

John Hagee - but he preaches prosperity messages, otherwise, his other stuff is OK.

D. James Kennedy - He delivers the seromon kinda grand, but I like what he has had to say so far.

Others I like out there, mostly local guys who preach solid truths from the bible.

[pilgrimian]

Yes, I was wondering the same thing, Warrior. I enjoyed Hank's The Prayer of Jesus (though even Christ seems to be referring to His own prayer when he speaks against "vain repetition").

I am also intrigued by the number of folks who mentioned Joyce Meyer. I find nothing wrong with women saying a good word...something uplifting, etc., in church (I sort of see this as prophesying), but I don't agree with women preaching. That probably shoots a number of holes in me via many of you. But 1 Timothy 3 seems pretty clear that women ought not be pastors.

And, yes, I would agree that Zola Levitt is on the mark. However, Arnold Fruchtenbaum is hard to beat. Okay, I love 'em both.

God's blessings in our glorious Messiah,
Matthew

[peace]

John MacArthur - his radio programmes are aired here in Australia.
And further I always keep on purchasing his audio-tapes. He is solid!

David Jeremiah.

Spurgeon - He is dead and gone, but his preaching is of a very high standard. No compromises. MacArthur always quotes him.

[aboverubies]

All time favorites ~


Adrian Rogers

John MacArthur

Franklin Graham

C. H. Spurgeon, A. W. Tozer, Andrew Murray



note to self ... check out Arnold Fruchtenbaum ... :)

[Elizabeth_S]

Wow! I can't believe I left out Billy graham and Franklin Graham. Duh *smack* myself on forehead.

[Warrior Prophet]

Pilgrim,
I'll stay out of the whole women/preaching debate, but I think I will give my two cents on Joyce Meyer. She's a Word of Faith teacher, plain and simple. While she has the essentials somewhat correct, then everything goes south. The prosperity teachings, the teaching that Jesus had to go to Hell to complete atonement and other charismaniac teachings should put your 'heresy radar' on fire.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[onelamb]

I don't find Joyce Meyer a WOF teacher at all. As a matter of fact, she has denounced such teaching. For herself, she has repented of ever going there in the first place. Oh sure, you can go to such sites that denounce everyone that doesn't agree with them and find some old quotes or out of context stuff and "prove" she was there at one time. She has matured in her belief though and doesn't teach that anymore. I find her solid as a rock and down to earth in her teaching. I guess it's just different strokes for different folks.

As far as Hank Haanegraph goes-for me I can't listen to him because the Holy Spirit convicts me with the verse in Titus 3:10 "Warn a divisive person, once, then warn him a second time, After that have nothing to do with him"
-Hank's whole ministry seems to be cutting down other Chrisitians who have different beliefs than he does. I'm not saying that I won't agree with a lot of it or even most of it. But, the Holy Spirit has plainly told ME to avoid him.

[Ponderin]

Top 3!


Originally posted by BlueX
Adrian Rodgers

David Jeremiah

Charles Stanley

Not necessarily in that order. David Jeremiah is my favorite however, they all 3 are great teachers leading many to righteousness in Christ.


:cool

[tenderheart2]

Hi,

I do enjoy listening to;

Jimmy Swaggart and Donnie Swaggart.

Both are doctrinally sound and Donnie has really gotten alot of flack by exposing the WOF doctrines. But praise God, he's truly a watchman on the wall.



Kim

[Boomer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by onelamb
[B]I don't find Joyce Meyer a WOF teacher at all. As a matter of fact, she has denounced such teaching. For herself, she has repented of ever going there in the first place. Oh sure, you can go to such sites that denounce everyone that doesn't agree with them and find some old quotes or out of context stuff and "prove" she was there at one time. She has matured in her belief though and doesn't teach that anymore. I find her solid as a rock and down to earth in her teaching. I guess it's just different strokes for different folks.

I totally agree. Joyce has often said that she is a "work in progress" and is learning more all the time. She has come a long way in her faith walk and has totally changed from the person she used to be. I think this is what makes her so believable. She will admit to her mistakes and only wants what God wants and is trying her best to serve Him.

I can so identify with Joyce in that I have done so many of the same things she has done when I was raising my family. I wish I had known then what I know now. She is every woman's "woman". When she is preaching about everyday living so many times I can say "been there, done that". She has been very influential in how I treat my relationships now.

As for the question of women preachers--I didn't think it was correct until Joyce convinced me otherwise. I truly believe God is using her. I ask myself this question: if she were not doing what she is doing and bringing people to Jesus every day, where would these people be? Is it better to condemn her for being a woman and losing these people or to put aside our biases and let her do God's work?
:)

[pilgrimian]

Originally posted by onelamb
I don't find Joyce Meyer a WOF teacher at all. As a matter of fact, she has denounced such teaching. For herself, she has repented of ever going there in the first place. Oh sure, you can go to such sites that denounce everyone that doesn't agree with them and find some old quotes or out of context stuff and "prove" she was there at one time. She has matured in her belief though and doesn't teach that anymore. I find her solid as a rock and down to earth in her teaching. I guess it's just different strokes for different folks.

As far as Hank Haanegraph goes-for me I can't listen to him because the Holy Spirit convicts me with the verse in Titus 3:10 "Warn a divisive person, once, then warn him a second time, After that have nothing to do with him"
-Hank's whole ministry seems to be cutting down other Chrisitians who have different beliefs than he does. I'm not saying that I won't agree with a lot of it or even most of it. But, the Holy Spirit has plainly told ME to avoid him.

Hmmmmmm...you believe that women preachers are okay, and you believe one can lose their salvation.

Did you actually "warn" Hank?

Scripture is rather clear on both of these issues. Women are not to teach as Joyce Meyer teaches, and our salvation is secure because when Christ lays the foundation none can uplift it (1 Corinthians 3), He saves to the uttermost (Hebrews 7:25).

God's blessings in our glorious Messiah,
Matthew

[aboverubies]

Originally posted by Boomer
... She [Joyce Meyer] is every woman's "woman" ...

As for the question of women preachers--I didn't think it was correct until Joyce convinced me otherwise. I truly believe God is using her. I ask myself this question: if she were not doing what she is doing and bringing people to Jesus every day, where would these people be? Is it better to condemn her for being a woman and losing these people or to put aside our biases and let her do God's work?

She is definitely not this woman's anything. :x

No one is judging her for being a woman ~ just for being rebellious and heretical. Any "fruit" that you see from her "ministry" is due to the fact that God is faithful to His Word, regardless of the messenger. Neither situational ethics (the ends justify the means) nor cultural relativity play any part in His plan to bring people to Jesus, let alone save them.

Not trying to be a part of hijacking this thread ... just responding to what has been said. Actually, this discussion brings out an important point ~ that those we listen to and/or study have great ability to influence our thinking. If they're Scripturally watertight, then everything from our world view to our personal convictions will be solid ... if they compromise the gospel, the Scriptures, or their own testimonies in any way, the groundwork is laid for their students to join them. Isn't this part of the very reason that God holds pastors/elders and teachers to a higher level of accountability?

[Lady_Firehawk]

I like Jonathan Edwards myself... 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God' is enough to shake me right out of any complacency I might have. :lol Dead Puritans... fun guys, really.

[onelamb]

Hank? Yea, like he'd listen to me. I warned him in that I turned him off, tried to listen, turned him off, tried to listen. I have to listen to what the Lord tells me. He said don't listen.

Do I believe a person can lose their salvation? Yes, I do-I believe a person can lose their salvation by losing thier faith in the One who saves them. Actually I believe OSAS is a heretical doctrine the way it is understood by many, who believe that because they once served the Lord they can now live in open contradiction to His teachings and still have their "get out of hell" pass.

I do not believe Joyce is rebellious and heretical. I think she stands firm on the Word-has made some mistakes in the past but has changed her doctrine to agree with the Word. I actually, really really respect a teacher who can say "I was wrong".. I have been listening to her regularly for about a year now, and I haven't heard any thing about situational ethics or cultural relativity. Only the pure uncompromised word. Like I said, to each his own.

[onelamb]

Since the words "rebellious and heretical" were used concerning Joyce Meyer, I went to her site and picked up her doctrinal statement:

Doctrine Of Faith

* THE SCRIPTURES
The Bible is the inspired Word of God, the product of holy men of old who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The New Covenant, as recorded in the New Testament, we accept as our infallible guide in matters pertaining to conduct and doctrine. (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 Thessalonians 2:13)

* THE GODHEAD
Our God is One, but manifested in three persons?the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Philippians 2:6; John 14:21-26)

God the Father is greater than all, and He is the Source of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter. (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14)

The Son is the flesh-covered Word, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning. (John 1:14; John 1:18; John 1:1)

The Holy Spirit proceeds forth from both the Father and the Son and is eternal. (John 15:26)

* MAN, HIS FALL AND REDEMPTION
Man is a created being, made in the likeness and image of God. But through Adam's transgression and fall, sin came into the world. The Bible tells us in Romans 3:23 that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." In Romans 3:10 it says, "As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one." Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was manifested to undo the work of the devil, and He gave His life and shed His blood to redeem and restore man back to God. (Romans 5:12; Romans 3:23; Romans 3:10; 1 John 3:8)

Salvation is the gift of God to man, separate from works and the law, and is made operative by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, producing works acceptable to God. (Ephesians 2:8)

* ETERNAL LIFE AND NEW BIRTH
Man's first step toward salvation is godly sorrow that works repentance. The new birth is available to all mankind, and when Jesus Christ is accepted as Savior, salvation takes place. He is born again. His spirit becomes alive to God eternally. (2 Corinthians 7:10; 1 John 5:12; John 3:3-5)

* WATER BAPTISM
Baptism in water is by immersion. It is a direct commandment of our Lord, and it is for believers only. The ordinance is a symbol of the Christian's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. (Matthew 28:19; Romans 6:4; Colossians 2:12; Acts 8:36-39)

The following recommendation regarding the water baptismal formula is adopted to wit:

"On the confession of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and by His authority, I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen."

* BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
The baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire is a gift from God. It is promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to those who are believers in this dispensation and is received subsequent to the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of the speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance. (Matthew 3:11; John 14:16-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38-39; Acts 19:1-7; Acts 2:4)

* SANCTIFICATION
The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the doctrine of sanctification as a definite, yet progressive, work of grace, which commences at the time of regeneration and continues until the consummation of salvation. (Hebrews 12:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Philippians 3:12-14; 1 Corinthians 1:30)

* DIVINE HEALING
Healing is for the physical ills of the human body and is wrought by the power of God through the prayer of faith and by laying on of hands. It is provided in the atonement of Christ, and it is the privilege of every member of the church today. (Mark 16:18; James 5:14-16; 1 Peter 2:24; Matthew 8:17; Isaiah 53:4-5)

* RESURRECTION OF THE JUST AND THE RETURN OF OUR LORD
The angels said, "...this same Jesus shall so come in like manner..." (Acts 1:11). His coming is imminent. When He comes, "the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth, as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS; and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years. (Revelation 19:16; Revelation 20:6)

* HELL AND ETERNAL RETRIBUTION
The person who physically dies in his sins without Christ is hopelessly and eternally lost in the lake of fire. Therefore, he has no further opportunity of hearing the Gospel or for repentance. The lake of fire is literal. The terms "eternal" and "everlasting" used in describing the duration of the punishment of the damned in the lake of fire carry the same thought and meaning of endless existence as used in noting the duration of joy and ecstasy of the saints in the presence of God. (Hebrews 9:27; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:15)

[Warrior Prophet]

Onelamb,
With all due respect, I don't base my Christian faith on 'feelings' I get from the Spirit. I base my support of any teacher by comparing his teachings to the Word of God. And not just also by taking one scripture out of context to dismiss him.

I'll agree with you on one point though: is Hank divisive? Yes. When you preach the truth you will always divide people. Paul was divisive when he called out the Judaizers in Galatians. Jesus was divisive when he called out the Pharisees. Whenever anyone makes a stand for truth in the Christian church today they are called 'divisive'. When anyone seems to stand for biblical doctrine and not mere emotion they are 'cut down' by those who disagree by those who aren't in line with the Word of God. Ministries like Hank's CRI do that. Many others do, and what they do is not popular.

Again though, how has Hank 'cut down' those don't agree with him? Is it just because he criticized St. Joyce?

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[SadieGrace]

Quote from peace:
{John MacArthur - his radio programmes are aired here in Australia.
And further I always keep on purchasing his audio-tapes. He is solid!

David Jeremiah.

Spurgeon - He is dead and gone, but his preaching is of a very high standard. No compromises. MacArthur always quotes him.}



Wow, those are my EXACT favorites too!! esp. Spurgeon - his sermons are so great to read, esp. on these rainy, stormy, tornado-y nights.


Sadie:)

[onelamb]

What are you talking about? I'm not telling you who to listen to. Warriorprophet. Just because my list isn't the same as yours? Some of those remarks in your latest post are totally uncalled for and without excuse. Comparing Hank with the apostle Paul is just silly, and your remarks about "ST Joyce"? Many people who love the Lord do not agree with each other., I probably wouldn't agree with you-yet I wouldn't call you a heretic unless you denied the Lord Jesus. The Lord speaks to me-Is that what you meant by "feelings from the spirit". He said, His sheep would know His voice.




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[MrsG0529]

No one has mentioned Greg Laurie yet. I enjoy his teachings immensely.

Stephanie

[cameron222]

Tender heart....you were joking?? :confused

[cameron222]

Favorite Bible teacher?? Jesus!! :)

[Warrior Prophet]

Onelamb,
I apologize for my tone.

I want to clarrify though, I only mention Hank and Paul in the same breath in saying that they both stand (in Paul's case stood) for a biblical standard while there was pressure from inside the church to just 'get along'.

I'm not calling anyone here a heretic. I do not back down however on my comments towards any Word of Faith teacher. And yes, I still include Joyce Meyer in that group. I'm not going to condemn any of them to Hell, but I will say that what they teach in various areas in unbiblical and in some cases anti-biblical. There are cases where I will use the 'h' word. Such as saying Benny Hinn's teaching on the trinity is heretical. I would say the stance that Meyer took on the atonement (meaning that Christ had to complete atonement in Hell) was heretical. It may seem a 'divisive' word, but oh well.

Here's a question for you though... if 'the Lord' speaks to one person and says one thing and 'the Lord' speaks to another person, and both messages are contrary to each other, which one is right?

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[onelamb]

Ok then. I brought up the "doctrine" of Joyce's ministry because of what you said. I don't see what your talking about. Her postion on the atonement does not jive with what your saying she teaches. and if you haven't listened to her lately how do you know she teaches that at all? I don't see anything unscriptural in any of it:

"He gave His life and shed His blood to redeem and restore man back to God. (Romans 5:12; Romans 3:23; Romans 3:10; 1 John 3:8)"

If the true and living Jesus tells me one thing and you another maybe it's because He knows us inside and out and knows what is best for my spiritual walk might not be best for yours.

I don't agree with your theology-I believe I can prove it Biblically, you don't agree with mine, you believe you can prove it Biblically. Should we go around cutting each other up every chance we get? I don't think so, but that's what I see on those sites, in fact I went to one of those sites and found some quotes by Billy Graham which were obviously unscriptural. Should I start calling him a heretic because I don't agree with him?

If you want to discuss the position Joyce took on some of her doctrine we can start another thread. Please go by her current teachings though. After all, I used to be into the Morman junk and I wouldn't want to have to defend that.

I follow Paul, another I follow Apollos another i follow Cephas stil another, I follow Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptised into the name of Paul?

[pilgrimian]

Boomer stated: Is it better to condemn her for being a woman and losing these people or to put aside our biases and let her do God's work?

When my "bias" is based in Spirit-breathed Scripture...yes, it is necessary to be particular (God ordained it to be so, and Joyce is not following His plan). I'm not "condemn[ing] her for being a woman," and I find your inference that I am doing so to be wrong-headed, and hyperbolic. I am merely saying that she should follow Scripture...and she can be used in another capacity within the ministry. I love women...and am not condemning her for being of the female sex...but for the position she holds she ought to be of the other sex.

Furthermore, your scenario is short-sighted. How do you know God wouldn't work through others to save these individuals? If they're elect they will certainly come to Christ in one way or another.

God's blessings in our glorious Messiah,
Matthew

[onelamb]

This has been debated from one end to the other. Many who dearly love the Lord Jesus Christ see it differently than you do. If you would like we can discuss this but let's start another thread for that.
We should affirm those whom God calls, whether male or female, and encourage them in faithfully learning Gods Word. We need to affirm all potential laborers, both men and women, for the abundant harvest fields.

[LSF]

This is a list of names most of you probably have never heard of. I implore you to find the works by these people (a lot of dead guys that didn't have radio programs) and take a look.

Augustine of Hippo
Athanasius
Martin Luther
Phillip Melancthon
Martin Chemnitz
C.F.W. Walther
Francis Pieper
Dietrich Bonhoffer
C.S. Lewis
Os Guinness
Harold Senkbeil
Gene Edward Veith

OK, so there are a few radio guys I listen to.

Ravi Zacharias
The White Horse Inn gang (Mike Horton, Ken Riddlebarger, Ken Jones, and Rod Rosenbladt) (http://www.oneplace.com/Ministries/The_White_Horse_Inn/)
Issues Etc. with Todd Wilken (http://www.issuesetc.org)

I don't get the chance to listen to him much, but most of the feedback in my circles about Hank Hanegraaff is positive. R.C. Sproul is sometimes very good, as is J.I. Packer. After this, my least favorites kick in very quickly. I cannot stand much of what constitutes "Christian Radio".

[Warrior Prophet]

Onelamb,
Ultimately a thread dealing with Joyce Meyer would not be edifying to anyone. If you wanted to hash this out in PM or by e-mail that would be fine by me. I do not back down on anything I have said about her. If she has changed her views, I would say it is because of public scrutiny of her unbiblical teachings and not because of any need for doctrinal change that came to her by the Spirit.

One should not that I said that specific teaching of the atonement is what she taught. Since she has been corrected, she has taken a somewhat more orthodox view that the atonement was completed by Christ's death on the cross and not in Hell by becoming 'the first born again man'. The Copeland's and the Hinn's of the Christian world do however still teach that and it is heresy.

Which brings me to the next point. There is nothing Billy Graham has said that was unscriptural. Even if some of his points might not have been totally square, his ministry has always been by the Word and is consistent with the teachings of the Word of God. The same, however, cannot be said of Benny Hinn for example. Or for Kenneth Copeland. They base their whole theology on Word/Faith. It's the core of their teachings, therefor the rest of their teachings are tainted by a Word/Faith worldview. Even now, Mrs. Meyer, still seems to have some of that worldview because as in her creed above, she believes that divine healing in normative in all situations. Scripture shows (in Paul's case) that God will not heal every time. Will ultimate healing happen at the Second Coming? Yes. But there is no 'healing credit card' in this life.

I don't recall 'cutting you down' btw. I simply deal straight with people and tell them how I think.

Oh, I see what you are getting at with your last statement. No, I don't worship Paul. I do however find his example as a source of inspiration. I think he modeled himself after Christ too. I think Christ would stand for the truth if he were in todays church too. Didn't he tell the church at Ephesus that it was good to test peoples teachings in the light of the Word of God? That's all I'm doing with any Word/Faith teacher or any teacher in the Church today. I don't go 'looking for something' to pin onto anybody.

Another thing, it's not just because I disagree with any Word/Faith teacher on the gifts, or eschatology or any secondary issue. I listen to a lot of teachers who I have disagreements on secondary issues with. But hear me out:
when dealing with Word/Faith the whole theological system is corrupt . It's not 'secondary issues' it's main and plain things. It's making false prophecies. It's putting esoteric visions above the plain Word of God. It's a different gospel.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[onelamb]

WarriorProphet, No, I don't want to PM you concerning Joyce Meyer or any other preacher for that matter. You have misreprepresented her beliefs and I was just posting her doctrine because of it, so we could all read it.
To say that she, or anyone else would change their views because of public scrutiny only is a bit over the line. How do you know that she hasn't heard from the Lord? Haven't you ever changed your mind about any spiritual matter? As far as "healing " goes-according to scripture we should "lay hands on the sick and they should recover" that's what is written in the Book-if it doesn't happen is the problem with the Word or us?


No you didn't get my pot all with the scripture verse I quoted: let me put it another way and maybe you will see my "point" a little better:

What I mean is this: One of you says I follow Billy Graham, another I follow Joyce Meyer, another I follow John Hagee and still another I follow Chuck Swindoll and still another I follow Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Billy crucified for you. Were you baptized in the name of Joyce?

Do you catch my meaning now? I was just getting at, although we all like one teacher over another the point is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

I never said, you were "cutting me down" don't know where you got that .

By the way, I am going to go to that site I was talking about and bring back the quotes by Billy Graham so you can read them for yourself since you didn't believe me that he was quoted as saying something unscriptural.

Also, I am not into Copeland or Hinn so I don't know why you're thinking I'm defending them. The WOF teaching is false.

[ssimon2000]

My favorites, in no particular order -

The live ones:
David Jeremiah
Chuck Swindoll
Chuck Colson
Ravi Zacharias
John MacArthur
Joe Stowell
Ralph Richardson (Bible Alive Ministries, Fayetteville, NC)

The dead Ones:
C.H. Spurgeon
J. Oswald Sanders
J. Vernon McGee
Ray Stedman
C.S. Lewis

There are more I listen to, and read, but these are the most likely to be heard/read in my house.

[onelamb]

I went to one of those "deception in the church" sites that are always quoting ministers and found some quotes from Billy Graham-to me they are obviously unscriptural.

Mr. Graham is quoted in his own words;

[i] "I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost-were going to hell if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them, I no longer believe that I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God-through nature, for instance-plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying 'yes' to God."




Mat 24
Take heed that no man deceive you.

[snowbird]

My uncle (no radio show, just a man with a Bible).

Best preach'n I ever heard.

[cameron222]

One Lamd....Billy Graham may have been talking about
Romans 2: 14 - 15.

Someone who has never heard the gospel can be saved by their inward knowledge of the law and how they deal with it.

Once someone has heard the good news....it's Jesus or nothing. But God has made provison for those who have never heard.

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

I prefer the older ones that are already gone to be with the Lord......their teachings are outstanding and is defintely like a double edged sword for the most part....


The only one that is alive today that I listen to is Perry Stone.......though.....

1. Perry Stone
2. Whitefield
3. Spurgen
4. Wesley

[Joyfull]

I like Charles Stanley, Adrian Rogers, Mark Rutland, and Kaye Arthur. :)

[onelamb]

If people could be saved any other way but Jesus then we wouldn't have to send out missionarys.

Joyful-is that the Mark Rutland that is president of Southeastern Bible College? My daughter graduated from there a few months before she passed on to glory.

[onelamb]

I bumped this up because I was hoping Joyful would answer my question about Mark Rutland. I just read his book "Streams of Mercy". I never actually heard him preach though.

[cameron222]

I believe God will make provision for those who have never heard of Jesus. Romans chpt. 02 alludes to that. That takes nothing away from Jesus and once again, once a person has been offered Jesus and refuses, then its too late.

But for those who have never heard of Him, God will not leave them without hope.

[Becky]

Onelamb you will take this to PM or start your own thread. Derailing a thread is a no-no.

"Actually I believe OSAS is a heretical doctrine the way it is understood by many, who believe that because they once served the Lord they can now live in open contradiction to His teachings and still have their "get out of hell" pass."

I think you need to understand that you just called a lot of us here "heretics". That is rude. It is one thing to disagree on a non-essential issue and another to come here and call people names.

BTW, check out this web site and open a thread on this subject.

http://www.floridacp.com/heresy/quotes/meyer.htm

I’m Sinfree!

“I’m going to tell you something folks, I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time ... All I was ever taught to say was, ‘I’m a poor, miserable sinner.’ I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?”
(Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)

“I might as well go and smack Him right in the face if I’m going to go around and feel guilty and condemned. Every time you feel guilty and condemned it’s just like slapping Him in the face and saying, ‘You didn’t do a good job. You didn’t do a complete job. I’m an old rotten this and I’m an old rotten that."
(Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)

On testing her spirits against the Word:

“The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really. That’s why you’ve got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I’m telling you. I’ve got to just trust God that He’s putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine.”
(Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)

Meyer says “that the changed lives are proof enough,” that she’s “anointed by God to do what I’m doing.”
(Joyce Meyer, Charisma, pg. 55.)

Jesus was the first born again man:

“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man”
(Joyce Meyer, "The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", 1991 pg. 36).

Jesus redeemed us in hell, not on the cross:

“And you’ve got to really glean some things out of the Word of God to really get hold of what He [Jesus] did for you during those three days. Jesus said, ‘It is finished.’ And He meant the Old Covenant. The job He had to do was just getting started. He really did the job the three days and nights that He was in hell. That’s where the job was done.”
(Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)

“He was pronounced guilty on the cross but He paid the price in hell.”
(Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)

Now open a thread on this subject or take it to PM.

[Warrior Prophet]

Becky,
It's partly my fault that the discussion is about Mrs. Meyer. I'm sorry I brought it up in such a context. It does get me frustrated that certain teachers seem to either be tolerated or promoted on this board. And no, I'm not referring to prophecy teachers, I'm talking WoF and others. Feel free to close this thread. I think it's served its purpose.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[pilgrimian]

Hank? Yea, like he'd listen to me. I warned him in that I turned him off, tried to listen, turned him off, tried to listen. I have to listen to what the Lord tells me. He said don't listen.

Onelamb, I know you believe that...the comment was rhetorical, but meant to cause you to think about your inconsistency.

Hey, I forgot to mention Spurgeon...I have really enjoyed some of his sermons (you might check them out, one lamb). He does some wonderful ones on Free Will and Sovereignty.

Also, I have enjoyed reading John Nelson Darby...

Did I mention Harry Ironsides...and Alva MacClain?

McClain did a wonderful book on Romans, and "The Greatness of the Kingdom," which is an in-depth study of the Messianic Kingdom. I still need to read it...have skimmed some parts of it.

Also, I enjoy Charles Feinberg, too....and William LaSor. I think both have passed on.

Godspeed,
Matthew

[Shanaynay]

My favorites would have to be my pastor Mike Purkey, his wife, my choir director Mary Purkey and their sons Matt and Jon! They all teach a WONDERFUL word!

[Angelswatch]

I always enjoyed listening to Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, from New York. I also like Franklin Graham.

[Joyfull]

It took me so long to get back to you. Yes, it is the same Mark Rutland. His sermons are on a Christian radio station here every day. Awesome teacher, if you ever get a chance to hear him!

[Warrior Prophet]

I just heard an awesome teacher tonight: James McDonald. His show is called 'Walk in the Word.' Check it out, it's awesome.

In His Service,
Mark Murphy

[Spider]

Warrior Prophet

Well, you and I finally agree on something. :D If you go back to the first page, you will see James McDonald is one that I have been listening to lately. I think he is great! And he makes the Word come alive with his style of presentation.... JMO.

Jan
:)

[blitzkreig]

Ravi Zacharias. Outragously high I.Q. I first saw him 25 years ago or so. Logic in apologetics from a talented orator. As good as it gets.

www.rzim.org

Hit the radio button and d/l his radio broadcasts

[Rebecki]

My favorites...

Jon Courson
John MacArthur
Kay Arthur
Greg Laurie
My pastor, Steve Hopkins.

:D

[Joyfull]

I'm glad you mentioned Ravi Zacharias. I have never failed to learn something new each time I hear him. You are right about his IQ. One must listen very closely. Very very deep.

[Xlcor]

I notice that no one mentioned "Brother Stair". :D:D

I've also heard that Dr. Walter Martin's family claims that Hank Hannegraf "stole" the "Bible Answer Man" after Martin's death. Anybody know about that?

[jenifer]

Well, I'm embarrassed. I listened to Hannegraph, who said some of the same things about Joyce Meyer. Until then her teaching had been a blessing to me. Because I didn't check out what he said myself, I cut myself away from her. Thank-you one-lamb. BTW Have you noticed that on ONEPLACE.com there are only a couple of women teachers?

of the people mentioned here I like:
Charles Stanley
Chuck Swindoll
Greg Laurie
Ravi Zacharias (yeah)
Chuck Missler 66/40

I am going to listen to the MacArthur

Spurgeon is awsome:)

[twelvesmaster]

Joe Focht

Go to his website at Calvary Chapel Philadelphia (http://www.ccphilly.org) -- to the tapes/audio page.

Of all the teacher's I've listened to on the internet (and I've listened to many) this one's the best so far at really opening up the scriptures to me. I listen at home and at the office -- even have someone else here at the office totally engrossed. He's the best! :cool

[BaylorBrat]

I'm not RC, but Pope John Paul II is one of my favourites, especially when it comes to issues concerning life :D

John Wesley is also a favourite :)

Blessings,
BB

[fireman777]

Oliver B. Greene of "The Gospel Hour" is definitely my favorite, J. Vernon Magee a close second.....
No offense to baylorbrat but the pope is the Last person i'd emulate for bible instruction. He's probably never even read it.

[tindercrest]

I like John Corson , jv magee,Raul Reeese ,Mike Macintosh,skip hesiech and David Hocking.

[kklovesJesus]

My favorite is Beth Moore.

Then
Billy Graham
Franklin Graham
Anne Graham Lotz
Chuck Swindoll

[Geoff274544]

My Favourite:-

Derek Prince - Love his books and he was Pro-Israel
Sid Roth - Love his Programme - It's Supernatural
Pat Robertson

Unsure of Teaching

Joyce Meyer
Jessie Duplantis - Hey he sells a good priced KJV bible!

Dislike

Benny Hinn - Too Many reasons
Kennth Hagin - His seminars disturbed me.
Creflo Dollar - He loves the Dollar
Steve Munsey - Handy for meeting budgets!

[Geoff274544]

Originally posted by Joyous_n_Jesus
I prefer the older ones that are already gone to be with the Lord......their teachings are outstanding and is defintely like a double edged sword for the most part....


The only one that is alive today that I listen to is Perry Stone.......though.....

1. Perry Stone
2. Whitefield
3. Spurgen
4. Wesley

Hi:wave

I watched a intresting edtion of "Its Supernatural" with guest Perry Stone. Found this particular show exciting. Got any links to Perry Stone?

Thanks:thumb

[FollowerofJesus]

watchman nee

[TonyLee]

Originally posted by anasazi
I like old dead preachers:Dr. J Vernon Mcgee and Dr. Oliver B Green.----------------------------- live ones:Billy Graham, Charles Stanley.

I'll second that about Oliver Greene. He was certainly sound. I have his commentary set. He does a good job explaining verses.

I like David Jeremiah also.

[Warrior Prophet]

Wow, how long has it been since I started this thread? Someone must have bumped it. :P:

[DJHere]

John Hagee
Joel Osteen
Joyce Meyer
I also like to listen to the Pastor of First Baptist church of Orlando

and of course the Pastor of our church Pastor Charles Roesel

[architectlink]

Originally posted by kklovesJesus
My favorite is Beth Moore.

Then
Billy Graham
Franklin Graham
Chuck Swindoll


Amen.

I think Beth Moore has the most incredible testimony of anyone alive today.

I also like Bob Coy who is on the radio and tv in Florida...

[savedandhappy1]

Boy there are several good teacher/preachers out there today I think.

Joel Olsteen
Billy Graham
Franklin Graham
Joyce Meyer
Beth Moore
Charles Stanley
Perry Stone
John Hagee
David Jeremiah
Steve Hill
etc.

I do have to add that the info listed against JM was from 1991, I see, and so if someone repents and the Lord forgives and forgets. it is a shame we can't.
I saw where someone mentioned Jimmy Swaggert, but didn't hear anyone bring up his past sins. I guess I am glad that it is the Lord who does the forgiving, and forgeting.
None of us really know the hearts of people, but God does. Yes, we should watch and ask questions, and seek the holy spirits guidance on all this.

Onelamb I will stand with you on the JM thing, until she says something I hear, and know for sure. I have learned alot from her teaching, and I follow in the Bible and pray while listening. I have ask the Lord to show me if there is anything about all the teachers/preachers I listen too. On tv or at my church, and I trust that the Holy Spirit will tell me. I do not stand with you on your beliefs tho about OSAS. I believe the words says that we are.

Love in Christ,
Kathy


Love in Christ,
Kathy

[knox]

C.S.Lewis
George MacDonald
Oswald Chambers
Peter Marshall
Max Lucado
Greg Laurie
Billy and Franklin Graham

[Warrior Prophet]

Man, how is this thread still alive? When did I start this thing? :pound

[Joyfull]

Originally posted by architectlink
Amen.



I also like Bob Coy who is on the radio and tv in Florida...


Speaking of awesome testimonies, Bob Coy was on Focus on the Family a couple of months ago, and his testimony knocked my socks off! :thumb He should write a book (maybe he already did, for all I know).

[Mea]

Originally posted by onelamb
I don't find Joyce Meyer a WOF teacher at all. As a matter of fact, she has denounced such teaching. For herself, she has repented of ever going there in the first place. Oh sure, you can go to such sites that denounce everyone that doesn't agree with them and find some old quotes or out of context stuff and "prove" she was there at one time. She has matured in her belief though and doesn't teach that anymore. I find her solid as a rock and down to earth in her teaching. I guess it's just different strokes for different folks.

As far as Hank Haanegraph goes-for me I can't listen to him because the Holy Spirit convicts me with the verse in Titus 3:10 "Warn a divisive person, once, then warn him a second time, After that have nothing to do with him"
-Hank's whole ministry seems to be cutting down other Chrisitians who have different beliefs than he does. I'm not saying that I won't agree with a lot of it or even most of it. But, the Holy Spirit has plainly told ME to avoid him.


"\0/" Very well said!!

[Mea]

Grew up listening to J Veron MaGee :thumb

Joel Olsteen
David Jeremiah
Billy Graham (who is coming to Kansas City this next SPRING) :thumb
Tony Evans (he came to our church this last fall..was great)
Chuck Swindoll

[OnlyHis]

I grew up listening to J. Vernon McGee too. I remember when he died...two days before my grandfather passed away. :cry I have almost all of his Thru The Bible books though. :): They have been a tremendous help when I don't understand a passage in Scripture. He is my most favorite.

Other favorites:

Perry Stone
Oliver B. Greene
Charles Stanley
Adrian Rogers
Kay Arthur
Ravi Zacharias
Chuck Missler
Chuck Swindoll
Dave Breese
David Reagan (not sure about the spelling there of his last name-Lamb and Lion Ministries).

And there is one other who has passed away (in the 1980's) that I used to listen to all the time. I just cannot remember his name. It's right there at the edge of my memory. He ran a home for kids that were runaways, on drugs, homeless, etc. If I remember his name I will post it.

YSIC,
Susie in Ohio

[OnlyHis]

I remembered his name...must have had momentary brain freeze there. It was Lester Roloff...he died in 1982.

Susie in Ohio

[LSF]

Originally posted by Warrior Prophet
Man, how is this thread still alive? When did I start this thing? :pound

Simple (at least your first question). Purely by the grace of God.;):

[Warrior Prophet]

Must be.

Though I am stifling the urge to try to vent about WofF here. :pound

[KC Phelps]

Billy Graham Charles Stanley Greg Laurie

[LSF]

Of all the names I put on my list, I must add one more: my current pastor. If your pastor is not one of your favorite teachers, there's a problem somewhere.

[col311]

Macarthur, Tony Evens, Hank Hannegraaf and Stanley