Endtime revival/harvest----scriptural or not?

[cindyw]

Hi All,

What I'm looking for is scripture and 'opinions' based upon the Word. Will there or will there not be a great 'revival' /end time harvest before the 2nd Glorious coming of Jesus? I'm not speaking from the time He went to the cross until the 2nd coming, I'm speaking of the time just(3 1/2- 7 yrs)prior to His return. This is not to be a rapture debate----please just stick to the question asked. Thanks and many blessings in Jesus, Cindy

[Joshua's Gen]

Yes. :)

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Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:10
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 7:12
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 7:15
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 7:16
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

[cindyw]

Hi JoshuaGen,

I guess that would be a scripture that "could" prove an endtime harvest, but I'm looking for scripture specifically stating yeah or nay-----Is there a huge revival or is there great deception----or will there be both----according to scripture of course. The scriptures you provided just show a number of believers (from ALL nations) which no man could count----it doesn't say they came from a revival..........Blessings in Jesus, Cindy

[Joshua's Gen]

Originally posted by cindyw
it doesn't say they came from a revival..........Blessings in Jesus, Cindy

Well I guess it depends on how you define "revival". :)

To me, personally, masses of people coming to Christ - is exactly that - revival.

From the language in the Rev. 7 chapter, it sounds like it will be an unprecedented move.

Highlighting that people from ALL over the world would be converted.

To me, that's exactly what a revival is.

:)

Interesting topic!

[cindyw]

Joshua<<<<<To me, personally, masses of people coming to Christ - is exactly that - revival.

From the language in the Rev. 7 chapter, it sounds like it will be an unprecedented move.

Highlighting that people from ALL over the world would be converted.

To me, that's exactly what a revival is.>>>>


Hi Josh,

Well, I guess I am looking to compile verses which say 'there will be a revival in the very end days' or 'no, the deception will be so great that few will be saved'. The passage you quoted is one that is debated even among the pre-trib camp. Some believe those are the raptured saints, some believe those are the peoples of the trib-----either way, we have no indication from reading that passage which would lead one to believe they are "new" believers. The passage just says that they are saved by the blood of the lamb. Thanks Joshua for your input so far. I look forward to hearing from you more. Blessings in Jesus, Cindy

[paw]

Yes , I believe there will be a great harvest in the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. Joshua gen pointed out in revelation 7 of a great multitude of people from every nation,tribe and tongue standing before the throne who had been slain because of the word of God.
A great multitude sounds like a lot of people to me, although no specific number was given.

Along with the martyrs were 144,000 sealed from each of the tribes of Israel as described in Rev.7:4-8.

You did say "I'm not speaking from the time He went to the cross until the 2nd coming."

The last 3 1/2 years are include in the time you speak of. Christs 2nd coming is immediatly after the the tribulation.

[rs41]

Cindy I don't believe you will find scripture withthe word s there will be this humongous revival. I believe JoshuaGen. hit the nail on the head.

[Sid]

I close with the words of Dr. Michael L. Brown taken from his book, HOW SAVED ARE WE, Chapter 15, entitled "The Rude Awakening"

" ... today the Church of America does not need a Great Awakening. We need a Rude Awakening. A spirit of slumber is over the Body and we are under a great deception. We think we are in a last days revival, but we are really in a fight for survival. We think we are ready to take the whole world, but it is the world that has taken us.

It is now or never for the people of God. Either we dream on or we face the facts. But one way or another, we will be aroused from our stupor by an internal stirring or by an external shaking; by inward perseverance or by outward persecution; by judging ourselves or by being judged. Either way, our peaceful sleep is about to come to an abrupt end."

Full Article (http://www.bereanpublishers.co.nz/Deception_in_the_Church/wilkerson_blasts_faith_pre.htm)

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[Workfromhomemom]

Cindy,
The answer to your question is yes and no.

Everyone would agree that Paul wrote his writings during the time period after Pentecost and their direct audience was to the Church. All of Paul's writings make clear that during the time period of the church there would not be a worldwide revival, only evil abounding, apostacy growing, etc.

Now Jesus wrote some things about the mystery kingdom which apply similarly. He wrote of leaven getting mixed in, a lot of unproductive "soils", many refusing the invitation to the kingdom, etc.

So it seems to me that there is definitely a time frame that will be characterized by "few" finding the "narrow path" and that is the time that we are in now.

But there are other scriptures which do address something of a massive revival. They have been addressed above in Revelation 7. Jesus alludes to the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom as being connected with his Second Coming. One might infer a massive revival from this preaching, although I don't see it addressed outright.

One could say that scripture was contradictory.... or just try to harmonize them with two different time periods and two different dealings. Pretribbers take the latter view :D

So, yes there will be a revival, but the Bride of Christ will not be here to witness it. The 144K Jews will be, as well as his two candesticks for a time, present as witnesses to this marvelous event. And most will be martyred for their belief.

Hope that helps.

:)

[cindyw]

WFHM,
Thanks for your response and the others too. I tend to agree more with what Sid presented though. To me, I think the 'revival' issue seems to be a matter of rapture timing beliefs. Some of the pre-trib camp believes because of the "multitude" of Rev. 7 there has to be a revival. Obviously, post trib believers think those are saints who were saved before the onset of the trib and maybe more added during. For those pre-tribbers who believe the multitude is 'raptured saints', obviously they don't see a revival. If a revival is true, where is it presented as such in scripture occuring during the last 3 1/2 -7 years prior to the second coming of Jesus?

When I search the scriptures-----this is what I see: deception----even possibly for believers (I tend to agree with what Sid posted on this concerning deception in the Church), apostasy, lack of repentence (as witnessed throughout Rev. when the wicked are suffering)..........Even in Daniel, who addresses the very end times, there is no talk of revival, only wickedness growing and severe persecution of the earth's saints. Blessings in Jesus, Cindy

[Bluesky22]

Hello Cindy.

Will there be a revival or apostacy in the 3.5 years before the second coming is best answered with "both".

However this apostacy preceedes the time because it refers to the church in the same way that it referred to Jerusalem in the days of Jesus first appearing, but it does not refer to every believer as was also the case then.

As Jesus came the first time so will the events in Israel be also among the Christians also, until the event of 70AD on Jerusalem also occurs to the apostate part of the church and the time of the 2 witnesses in the future parallels the time of preaching of the gospel in all the nations of the early church, Thus---

(Mat 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

(Rev 14:1-7) Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. {2} And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. {3} They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. {4} These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. {5} And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. {6} Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth; to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people; {7} saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."

(Rev 11:3-6) "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." {4} These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. {5} And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. {6} These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

The testimony of the 2 witnesses is that of the prophets concerning the ending of the age of the gentile rule but they in conjunction with the priesthood of the 144000 is not going to go unnoticed in the world as also in Moses time in Egypt, and will give the same result---

(Exo 12:38-41) A mixed multitude went up with them also, and flocks and herds; a great deal of livestock. {39} And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they had brought out of Egypt; for it was not leavened, because they were driven out of Egypt and could not wait, nor had they prepared provisions for themselves. {40} Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. {41} And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years; on that very same day; it came to pass that all the armies of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.

(Isa 49:18-26) Lift up your eyes, look around and see; All these gather together and come to you. As I live," says the LORD, "You shall surely clothe yourselves with them all as an ornament, And bind them on you as a bride does. {19} "For your waste and desolate places, And the land of your destruction, Will even now be too small for the inhabitants; And those who swallowed you up will be far away. {20} The children you will have, After you have lost the others, Will say again in your ears, 'The place is too small for me; Give me a place where I may dwell.' {21} Then you will say in your heart, 'Who has begotten these for me, Since I have lost my children and am desolate, A captive, and wandering to and fro? And who has brought these up? There I was, left alone; But these, where were they?'" {22} Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I will lift My hand in an oath to the nations, And set up My standard for the peoples; They shall bring your sons in their arms, And your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders; {23} Kings shall be your foster fathers, And their queens your nursing mothers; They shall bow down to you with their faces to the earth, And lick up the dust of your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD, For they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me." {24} Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, Or the captives of the righteous be delivered? {25} But thus says the LORD: "Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, And the prey of the terrible be delivered; For I will contend with him who contends with you, And I will save your children. {26} I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine. All flesh shall know That I, the LORD, am your Savior, And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."

These persons before the throne are not the martyred, but the mortals for the mill.

(Rev 7:17) "for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

(Ezek 34:12-15) "As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. {13} "And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. {14} "I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. {15} "I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down," says the Lord GOD.

(Rev 7:14) And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Let us not try to deny reality. Not all those who profess Christ today, will be in the first resurrection like those of Rev.20:4.

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[billiefan2000]

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[Joshua's Gen]

billiefan you have a *knack* for bumping OLD topics don't ya? :D

[antsinmypants]

Try Amos 9 for starters.

[KevCornette]

First of all, let me preface this by saying that, imho, there will be two things happening in the Body of Jesus during the last days/weeks/months and years preceding the rapture. There will come a solid, delineated division in the Body.

The final church that is addressed in Revelation is Laodicea, the self-sufficient church. Laodicea is a compound word with two roots – ‘Laos’ which means ‘people’ or ‘people groups’. The second root is ‘eis’ which means ‘divided’ (‘dicea’ means literally divided in two). This is the church in division – ‘the people are divided’. The church body has undergone many divisions in the past 2000 years, and most of the division have come as the result of a revival. In the last 400 years, over 300 denominations and Christian ‘movements’ have come, almost always on the wings of revival Even with all this division in the Body of Christ over the years, the greatest division will come with the last revival before the return of Christ. The Last Days division comes about in one of two ways: Either the people divide themselves from each other, or the Holy Spirit divides the body into those who will receive the pure doctrine and anointing, and those who will not. Most of these previous divisions have arisen by the will of man (specifically the lack of willingness to enter into the ‘next revival’), the final division will take place at the hand of God. He will divide those who will pursue Him with their whole heart from those who want the Word and Spirit by their own convenience. There will be a great division when the last days revival is poured out (see below on the Latter Rain). This revival will be the final dividing point in the last days.

There will be those who, for one reason or another, do not desire to see this final outpouring of doctrine and Spirit. This last days division in the Body of Christ will cause the falling away – those who do not pursue God wholly (the ones that Jesus called ‘tares’ in the parable of the harvest) will gather themselves together to condemn those who walk into the final outpouring of the presence of God. There will be an increase of those who identify the working of the Holy Spirit as the work of Satan.

Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold,
the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath
long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
James 5:7


The so-called 'Latter Rain' is the last days outpouring of the Spirit of God and the Revelation of His Word. This last days work of the Holy Spirit is prophesied many times in the Old Testament. Here we will examine only one passage to relate an event that indicates the timing of the Latter Rain.

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream
dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and
upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew
wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the
great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:28-31


These verses are the most explicit concerning the outpouring of God’s Spirit in the last days -- and that it will precede the final judgment of God's Wrath on the earth.

The book of Revelation has an event early in the Tribulation that has similar signs.

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a
great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and
the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even
as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty
wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and
every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the
kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief
captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said
to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him
that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great
day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 6:12-17


Here, Revelation indicates that the sun will turn black and the moon to blood accompanying the sixth seal. Another thing that accompanies the sixth seal is a great earthquake. In Haggai, the Latter Rain (the outpouring of Glory on the Latter house) is accompanied by a great shaking!

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will
shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; and I will
shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this
house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. The silver is mine, and the gold
is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. The glory of this latter house shall be
greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will
I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.
Haggai 2:6-9


According to Hebrews, this very shaking is what will bring the division in the Body of Christ between those who will enter in to the last days outpouring of God’s Spirit, and those who want to continue to play religious games.

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who
refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we
turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook
the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not
the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth
the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,
that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we
receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby
we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our
God is a consuming fire.
Hebrew 12:25-29


While this warning is for the entire Body of Christ down through the ages, consider how much more it applies to us who are to receive the Latter Rain! The very presence of God Himself will be poured upon the church of the Living God as we receive the literal fulfillment of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost AND FIRE! And those who are going to walk in this anointing will be those who have judged themselves and found that they are lacking – those
who need God desperately. We are told that if we would judge ourselves then we would not be judged (I Corinthians 11:31). Look at how Peter refers to the judgment that will befall the Body of Christ:

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and
if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel
of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly
and the sinner appear?
I Peter 4:17-18


If we desire to enter into the Latter Rain, we must purge ourselves of youthful lust, through the Word of God and seek His will at all times (instead of seeking our own pleasure and will) so that we will be ready to walk in the anointing of the Holy Ghost.

A passage where we are encouraged to arise (to the latter rain?) is Isaiah 60:1-2.

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD
is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the
earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise
upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.


The time in history when the Glory of the LORD is risen upon people is the time of the Latter Rain. Consider the timing of the Latter Rain as described in the book of Joel:

Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD
your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately,
and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former
rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
Joel 2:23


The word translated ‘first month’ in Joel 2:23 is the Hebrew word !Avar which is translated Ri’shown which is the time of the Barley Harvest in the Spring ("First Fruits" is the Feast Day when the Barley Harvest is brought to the Temple of God -- and it is harvested after it is 'in the heads' according to the Mishnah -- and ‘Ri’shown’ literally means ‘the time of the head’).

And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings,
he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a
mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his
countenance was altered, and his raiment was white
and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two
men, which were Moses and Elias : Who appeared in glory,
and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at
Jerusalem. But Peter and they that were with him were
heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his
glory, and the two men that stood with him. And it came
to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus,
Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three
tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for
Elias: not knowing what he said. While he thus spake, there
came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as
they entered into the cloud. And there came a voice out of
the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke 9:28-35


This event, the transfiguration of the LORD is a type of the last days outpouring of the Holy Ghost. After a time of praying and fasting, the Glory of the Spirit descended on Jesus and He was transfigured before the eyes of the disciples. This was in the presence of the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah. These same two witnesses will be here when the Holy Ghost is poured out on the last days Body of Christ and we walk in an anointing that is greater even than the day of Pentecost (Haggai 2:9, and Joel 2:23 – the former and latter rain together at one time). The word translated ‘transfigured’ in this passage is the Greek word ‘metamorphoo’, where we get the word ‘metamorphosis’. It figuratively means to take away the covering so that the great thing that is already inside can come out. The two other times it is used in the New Testament are in 2 Corinthians 3:18, where Paul says that we will be transformed from glory to glory by the Spirit of the LORD as we meditate in the Word of God (the mirror); and in Romans 12:2, where Paul instructs us that we will be transfigured by the Spirit as we renew our minds with the Word of God. Both of these passages are consistent with the Latter Rain/Last Days Outpouring teaching.

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This final section is from a Bible study I tought on the Latter Rain in the late 90s
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The Latter Rain
1. What is it?
a. it is an outpouring of doctrine and teaching (Deut. 32:1-2)

b. it happens before the return of Christ (James 5:7)

c. it will be greater than what happened on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 (Haggai 2:9)

d. it is an outpouring of God Himself (Psalms 72:6)

e. only God can send it – all the works of man are incapable of starting it (Jeremiah 14:22)

f. it will be accompanied with signs in the heavens (Joel 2:28-32)

g. it will happen 2000 years after the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah (Hosea 5:12-6:3)

h. it will be release in the first month – Nisan (Joel 2:23)

2. What hinders the Latter Rain?
a. spiritual harlotry, backsliding and wickedness (Jeremiah 3:1-5)

b. false doctrines, unholy teachers who rob the people of God for personal gain, ministers who show no difference between clean and unclean and people building the work of God on doctrines they pick and choose instead of the whole counsel of God (Ezekiel 22:23-29: That is what ‘daubing with untempered mortar is – cp. to the parable of the two foundations [Matthew 7:25-27]. One was on a rock, and the other was on sand, which is little pieces of rock. In my understanding of scripture, this represents people who pick and choose what they want to believe, and throw the rest of the Word of God away. For example, they love the promises of God regarding prosperity, but
reject the promise of God concerning persecution [2 Tim. 3:12]. Then these people try to glue their foundation or wall together with religious platitudes, while ignoring the truth of Scripture)

c. no reverence for the Holiness of the LORD, having a rebellious heart and listening to false prophets (Jeremiah 5:20-31)

d. religiosity without a heart commitment to God (Amos 4:4-8) Consider the things for which Israel is rebuked:

Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply
transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning,
and your tithes after three years: And offer a sacrifice of
thanksgiving with leaven, and proclaim and publish the
free offerings: for this liketh you, O ye children of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD.
Amos 4:4-5


They were still going up to the Temple (the house of God – Bethel), they still remembered the signs of the covenant (Gilgal was the place that Israel remembered their covenant with God and reinstituted circumcision after wondering in the desert with Moses – Joshua 5:1-10), they still kept the law of tithing by bring up the tithe every three years (this was the requirement of the Law of God – the tithe was given to the Temple every third year: Deut. 26:12), they still brought the required leavened bread that accompanied the thanksgiving of the peace offering (Leviticus 7:12), and they still made the right confessions over their freewill offerings, but their heart was far from the LORD! Continuing in religious practice when your heart is far from the heart of God is a stench in His nostrils. Not even doing the right things will bring justification before the LORD (“for the LORD seeth not as man
seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.” I Samuel 16:7b).

3. How can we be prepared to receive the Latter Rain
a. listen to (study) and obey God’s commands (Deut. 11:13-17)

b. know the time of the Latter Rain and ask (Zech. 10:1).

The greatest commandment for the New Covenant believer is the command to love. Examine I John 3:19-22 for more understanding of this teaching. Also look at James 4:1-3.
If our purpose for desiring the Latter Rain (or anything else from the Spirit of God) is self exaltation, then we can not expect to receive it!!

c. Hosea 10:12 has the most indepth look at the requirements to be in the place to be rained upon:

Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

i. sow to yourselves in righteousness (cp. to Gal. 6:7-10) Don’t expect righteousness in others, expect it of yourself. This is how we keep from judging – by only expecting perfection from our own lives, and relating to others through the mercy that God has shown us!

ii. reap in mercy (cp. to Jude 22 – 23: There are two ways to share the gospel; making a difference or presenting the holiness of God). Always make your dealing with others be motivated in mercy (which is unconditional).

iii. break up your fallow ground (see the parable of the sower in Matt. 13:3-23 or Mark 4:3-20: Fallow ground is the hardened ground – the hardness of heart (the field is the soul of a born again man according to Jeremiah 31:12). This hardening is caused by exposure to sin (Heb 3:7-4:12). Therefore to prepare to receive the Latter Rain, we must purge our lives of the sins of the flesh.

iv. seek the LORD. We are supposed to seek the LORD until He comes and rains righteousness upon us! But how does the word tell us to seek God? There is a time that we are to seek the LORD (Isa. 55:6, Ps. 27:8). This, according to the Jewish understanding and Feast cycle, is during the Time of Separation (Nisan 2-7) and the Time of Teshuvah (which literally means ‘the time of return’ from Elul 1 - Tishre 10). We are told that we will find the LORD when we seek Him with our whole heart (Jer. 29:13, Deut. 4:29).

So how do we seek the LORD? We are supposed to seek Him through His word (Isa. 51:1-5) and by separating ourselves from sin (actually we are supposed to do this before we begin, which aligns with breaking up the fallow ground – Ezra 6:21). Our seeking is closely tied to walking in obedience (for are you really seeking the LORD while disobeying Him? – Ps. 199:2) and setting uur affections on the things of God (which we do by mortifying the deeds of the flesh and putting on Christ – Colo. 3:1-10).

Finally, we can see through the example of Daniel that when he set out to seek the LORD, he did it through prayer, intercession, fasting and repentance (Dan. 9:29).

When we seek the LORD, He promises that we will have success in what we do for Him (2 Chron. 31:20-21) and protection from our enemies (Ezra 8:21-22). He will not forsake us when we seek His face (I Chron. 28:8-9, Ps. 9:10). We will find wisdom (Prov. 8:17) and understanding (Prov. 28:5) when we seek God’s face. He will hear from heaven and answer us when we have sought His face (II Chron. 7:14). But the greatest blessing of seeking the LORD is that He will give us His reward (Heb.11:6).

These concepts are closely tied to the Latter Rain, because we will need God’s wisdom and understanding in order to operate by His Spirit in these Last Days. We will need protection from our enemies (especially the spirit of Antichrist) so that we can fulfill the call that God has on us for these times. And finally, when we have sought His face, we will receive reward when we stand before Him at the Judgment Seat of Y'shua.

[antsinmypants]

AMEN AMEN AMEN

[glorydays]

cindy,

Simple answer is there will continually be people saved through the trib but there is one revival that is critical -- Israel must at last accept Jesus as Messiah per Pentecost. And That Pentecost is Joel 2:15-30, Zech 12 (when they look unto Him whom they have pierced and mourn), probably Rev 14:1-4. These all take about place midtrib. It will be, as Pentecost was, the end of the barley/Gentile harvest and the beginning of the wheat/Jewish harvest.

[Joel]

:bump to grab something.

[Ga Stormspotter]

Thanks Joel

[nancy]

Hi Cindy,

To define revival as “masses of people coming to Christ” is too vague because it has been my experience in the so-called Charismatic circles that the general thought of “revival” is people getting all excited and emotional about a message. It is now my understanding that this type of “revival” is often accompanied with unsound doctrine, or in other words, the people are getting excited and emotional while being taught things contrary to what God is actually doing and they are preaching “another Jesus”, receiving “another spirit” and accepting “another gospel” (2 Corinthians 11:4)

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 KJV
(3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

That time that you are asking about is going to be a time of war; it is the time when Satan is cast out of his usurped positions of governmental rank and authority in the heaven and cast down to the earth. He knows he has a short time in which to accomplish his goal and he has great wrath. I believe his tactics will be the same but with greater intensity.

Revelation 12:1-13 KJV
(1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(2) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
(3) And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
(4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
(13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Revelation 12:17 KJV
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It will be a time of affliction, seduction and tribulation:

Mark 13:19-27 KJV
(19) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
(20) And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
(21) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
(22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
(23) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
(24) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
(25) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
(26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
(27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

(Romans 9:27 KJV) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

That time of the last 3 ½ years of Daniel’s 70th week is going to be a time of wrath. Christ will come to judge and make war, so would it be correct to call it “the 2nd Glorious coming of Jesus”?

Matthew 3:7-8 KJV
(7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(8) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Revelation 19:11-16 KJV
(11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
(14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(16) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

[His Bride]

My office is in the middle of painting so I have no access to my dictionary, however, it seems to me that to "revive" something is to bring it back to life.

True revival occurs in the hearts of individuals who already have a personal relationship with Jesus. That may mean one or two people or great numbers of people. But I'm not sure that a revival can happen to unbelievers. In their case it would be to give them a brand new life.

I do believe that this will happen, but not until the Tribulation Period. We know that before then the apostacy must take place. It is my opinion that we are already experiencing that.

Just a thought.

[Joel]

thoughts on this?

First of all, let me preface this by saying that, imho, there will be two things happening in the Body of Jesus during the last days/weeks/months and years preceding the rapture. There will come a solid, delineated division in the Body.

The final church that is addressed in Revelation is Laodicea, the self-sufficient church. Laodicea is a compound word with two roots – ‘Laos’ which means ‘people’ or ‘people groups’. The second root is ‘eis’ which means ‘divided’ (‘dicea’ means literally divided in two). This is the church in division – ‘the people are divided’. The church body has undergone many divisions in the past 2000 years, and most of the division have come as the result of a revival. In the last 400 years, over 300 denominations and Christian ‘movements’ have come, almost always on the wings of revival Even with all this division in the Body of Christ over the years, the greatest division will come with the last revival before the return of Christ. The Last Days division comes about in one of two ways: Either the people divide themselves from each other, or the Holy Spirit divides the body into those who will receive the pure doctrine and anointing, and those who will not. Most of these previous divisions have arisen by the will of man (specifically the lack of willingness to enter into the ‘next revival’), the final division will take place at the hand of God. He will divide those who will pursue Him with their whole heart from those who want the Word and Spirit by their own convenience. There will be a great division when the last days revival is poured out (see below on the Latter Rain). This revival will be the final dividing point in the last days.

There will be those who, for one reason or another, do not desire to see this final outpouring of doctrine and Spirit. This last days division in the Body of Christ will cause the falling away – those who do not pursue God wholly (the ones that Jesus called ‘tares’ in the parable of the harvest) will gather themselves together to condemn those who walk into the final outpouring of the presence of God. There will be an increase of those who identify the working of the Holy Spirit as the work of Satan.



The so-called 'Latter Rain' is the last days outpouring of the Spirit of God and the Revelation of His Word. This last days work of the Holy Spirit is prophesied many times in the Old Testament. Here we will examine only one passage to relate an event that indicates the timing of the Latter Rain.



These verses are the most explicit concerning the outpouring of God’s Spirit in the last days -- and that it will precede the final judgment of God's Wrath on the earth.

The book of Revelation has an event early in the Tribulation that has similar signs.



Here, Revelation indicates that the sun will turn black and the moon to blood accompanying the sixth seal. Another thing that accompanies the sixth seal is a great earthquake. In Haggai, the Latter Rain (the outpouring of Glory on the Latter house) is accompanied by a great shaking!



According to Hebrews, this very shaking is what will bring the division in the Body of Christ between those who will enter in to the last days outpouring of God’s Spirit, and those who want to continue to play religious games.



While this warning is for the entire Body of Christ down through the ages, consider how much more it applies to us who are to receive the Latter Rain! The very presence of God Himself will be poured upon the church of the Living God as we receive the literal fulfillment of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost AND FIRE! And those who are going to walk in this anointing will be those who have judged themselves and found that they are lacking – those
who need God desperately. We are told that if we would judge ourselves then we would not be judged (I Corinthians 11:31). Look at how Peter refers to the judgment that will befall the Body of Christ:



If we desire to enter into the Latter Rain, we must purge ourselves of youthful lust, through the Word of God and seek His will at all times (instead of seeking our own pleasure and will) so that we will be ready to walk in the anointing of the Holy Ghost.

A passage where we are encouraged to arise (to the latter rain?) is Isaiah 60:1-2.



The time in history when the Glory of the LORD is risen upon people is the time of the Latter Rain. Consider the timing of the Latter Rain as described in the book of Joel:



The word translated ‘first month’ in Joel 2:23 is the Hebrew word !Avar which is translated Ri’shown which is the time of the Barley Harvest in the Spring ("First Fruits" is the Feast Day when the Barley Harvest is brought to the Temple of God -- and it is harvested after it is 'in the heads' according to the Mishnah -- and ‘Ri’shown’ literally means ‘the time of the head’).



This event, the transfiguration of the LORD is a type of the last days outpouring of the Holy Ghost. After a time of praying and fasting, the Glory of the Spirit descended on Jesus and He was transfigured before the eyes of the disciples. This was in the presence of the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah. These same two witnesses will be here when the Holy Ghost is poured out on the last days Body of Christ and we walk in an anointing that is greater even than the day of Pentecost (Haggai 2:9, and Joel 2:23 – the former and latter rain together at one time). The word translated ‘transfigured’ in this passage is the Greek word ‘metamorphoo’, where we get the word ‘metamorphosis’. It figuratively means to take away the covering so that the great thing that is already inside can come out. The two other times it is used in the New Testament are in 2 Corinthians 3:18, where Paul says that we will be transformed from glory to glory by the Spirit of the LORD as we meditate in the Word of God (the mirror); and in Romans 12:2, where Paul instructs us that we will be transfigured by the Spirit as we renew our minds with the Word of God. Both of these passages are consistent with the Latter Rain/Last Days Outpouring teaching.

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This final section is from a Bible study I tought on the Latter Rain in the late 90s
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The Latter Rain
1. What is it?
a. it is an outpouring of doctrine and teaching (Deut. 32:1-2)

b. it happens before the return of Christ (James 5:7)

c. it will be greater than what happened on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 (Haggai 2:9)

d. it is an outpouring of God Himself (Psalms 72:6)

e. only God can send it – all the works of man are incapable of starting it (Jeremiah 14:22)

f. it will be accompanied with signs in the heavens (Joel 2:28-32)

g. it will happen 2000 years after the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah (Hosea 5:12-6:3)

h. it will be release in the first month – Nisan (Joel 2:23)

2. What hinders the Latter Rain?
a. spiritual harlotry, backsliding and wickedness (Jeremiah 3:1-5)

b. false doctrines, unholy teachers who rob the people of God for personal gain, ministers who show no difference between clean and unclean and people building the work of God on doctrines they pick and choose instead of the whole counsel of God (Ezekiel 22:23-29: That is what ‘daubing with untempered mortar is – cp. to the parable of the two foundations [Matthew 7:25-27]. One was on a rock, and the other was on sand, which is little pieces of rock. In my understanding of scripture, this represents people who pick and choose what they want to believe, and throw the rest of the Word of God away. For example, they love the promises of God regarding prosperity, but
reject the promise of God concerning persecution [2 Tim. 3:12]. Then these people try to glue their foundation or wall together with religious platitudes, while ignoring the truth of Scripture)

c. no reverence for the Holiness of the LORD, having a rebellious heart and listening to false prophets (Jeremiah 5:20-31)

d. religiosity without a heart commitment to God (Amos 4:4-8) Consider the things for which Israel is rebuked:



They were still going up to the Temple (the house of God – Bethel), they still remembered the signs of the covenant (Gilgal was the place that Israel remembered their covenant with God and reinstituted circumcision after wondering in the desert with Moses – Joshua 5:1-10), they still kept the law of tithing by bring up the tithe every three years (this was the requirement of the Law of God – the tithe was given to the Temple every third year: Deut. 26:12), they still brought the required leavened bread that accompanied the thanksgiving of the peace offering (Leviticus 7:12), and they still made the right confessions over their freewill offerings, but their heart was far from the LORD! Continuing in religious practice when your heart is far from the heart of God is a stench in His nostrils. Not even doing the right things will bring justification before the LORD (“for the LORD seeth not as man
seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.” I Samuel 16:7b).

3. How can we be prepared to receive the Latter Rain
a. listen to (study) and obey God’s commands (Deut. 11:13-17)

b. know the time of the Latter Rain and ask (Zech. 10:1).

The greatest commandment for the New Covenant believer is the command to love. Examine I John 3:19-22 for more understanding of this teaching. Also look at James 4:1-3.
If our purpose for desiring the Latter Rain (or anything else from the Spirit of God) is self exaltation, then we can not expect to receive it!!

c. Hosea 10:12 has the most indepth look at the requirements to be in the place to be rained upon:

Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

i. sow to yourselves in righteousness (cp. to Gal. 6:7-10) Don’t expect righteousness in others, expect it of yourself. This is how we keep from judging – by only expecting perfection from our own lives, and relating to others through the mercy that God has shown us!

ii. reap in mercy (cp. to Jude 22 – 23: There are two ways to share the gospel; making a difference or presenting the holiness of God). Always make your dealing with others be motivated in mercy (which is unconditional).

iii. break up your fallow ground (see the parable of the sower in Matt. 13:3-23 or Mark 4:3-20: Fallow ground is the hardened ground – the hardness of heart (the field is the soul of a born again man according to Jeremiah 31:12). This hardening is caused by exposure to sin (Heb 3:7-4:12). Therefore to prepare to receive the Latter Rain, we must purge our lives of the sins of the flesh.

iv. seek the LORD. We are supposed to seek the LORD until He comes and rains righteousness upon us! But how does the word tell us to seek God? There is a time that we are to seek the LORD (Isa. 55:6, Ps. 27:8). This, according to the Jewish understanding and Feast cycle, is during the Time of Separation (Nisan 2-7) and the Time of Teshuvah (which literally means ‘the time of return’ from Elul 1 - Tishre 10). We are told that we will find the LORD when we seek Him with our whole heart (Jer. 29:13, Deut. 4:29).

So how do we seek the LORD? We are supposed to seek Him through His word (Isa. 51:1-5) and by separating ourselves from sin (actually we are supposed to do this before we begin, which aligns with breaking up the fallow ground – Ezra 6:21). Our seeking is closely tied to walking in obedience (for are you really seeking the LORD while disobeying Him? – Ps. 199:2) and setting uur affections on the things of God (which we do by mortifying the deeds of the flesh and putting on Christ – Colo. 3:1-10).

Finally, we can see through the example of Daniel that when he set out to seek the LORD, he did it through prayer, intercession, fasting and repentance (Dan. 9:29).

When we seek the LORD, He promises that we will have success in what we do for Him (2 Chron. 31:20-21) and protection from our enemies (Ezra 8:21-22). He will not forsake us when we seek His face (I Chron. 28:8-9, Ps. 9:10). We will find wisdom (Prov. 8:17) and understanding (Prov. 28:5) when we seek God’s face. He will hear from heaven and answer us when we have sought His face (II Chron. 7:14). But the greatest blessing of seeking the LORD is that He will give us His reward (Heb.11:6).

These concepts are closely tied to the Latter Rain, because we will need God’s wisdom and understanding in order to operate by His Spirit in these Last Days. We will need protection from our enemies (especially the spirit of Antichrist) so that we can fulfill the call that God has on us for these times. And finally, when we have sought His face, we will receive reward when we stand before Him at the Judgment Seat of Y'shua.

[andy]

Most of what KevCornette wrote, I see today. I see numerous doctrines but little power, the power to change lives. I know the lack of power is not God's inability, but our inability to really take hold of the truths given to us by our Lord.

I don't agree with everything he wrote, but wow, he really was gifted and God's grace was very apparent in his life. I look forward to meeting him one day in heaven.

[Julie E]

Along with the martyrs were 144,000 sealed from each of the tribes of Israel as described in Rev.7:4-8.

that is the only place where numbers are given...Free Will is always a factor... But God will definitely show himself at the GM war...and then on...people will have LIGHT...and will choose...where there is a great manifestation of God...then people respond....the manifestation will be 1st of all to the heart...not in outward signs and wonders...(which would get all of us to pay attention right?)...so i would consider the GM war a signs and wonders thing...thats ok ...God used the same at the passover in Egypt...but what do we see in all of this....in another setting...we recently prayed that 'hedge of thorns prayer' around an indavidual...basicly this prayer says...Lord dont let this person get away with any sin...catch him or her up short...and let the Sin or activity...'poke him to a great uncomfortableness'....well it worked...and God did what we asked....it was a trail of pokes....but...the heart wasn't changed...no repentance...like Pharoh...after all the plagues of Egypt...God definitely showed who he was...and Pharaoh's heart still was hard...after Elijah and the alter ...where God engulfed it with Heavenly fire....Elijah was chased into the wilderness for that event...did all of Jezebel's priests repent?...nope ..and she didn't either..sooo this is what the trib is all about...and the GM war...

to Show that Jesus is God...and to divide....expose all darkness to light....there will be great deception...but the people who are deceived will choose deception...they will choose to:
1. deny Jesus...
2. be deceived
3. accept a false god the AC..

[HeIsEnough]

thoughts on this?

In terms of this:


I'm speaking of the time just(3 1/2- 7 yrs)prior to His return.

It was expertly and superbly answered by you with this:


Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


Shalom.

[B A N E]

Zombie put to rest.