Any history buffs??

[FrankDH]

Around 635 an Umayyad caliph, named Mu'awiyah I, build a naval base at Tyre and lanched attacks against Cyprus. Anyone know where I can find out more. And maybe maps locating the exact location?

[Mitsy]

FrankDH

Sounds like an interesting event in History. Do you know anyone in Cyprus I'm sure they would have an event like this recorded in their Library there.

I used to be a Librarian (with would you believe a history major). So my advice is trying surfing the internet first and see what you can find. If you don't get much then try the following.

Go to a large library in your home town. Now being an Australian that lives in the capital city of my State for me that would be the State Library and I could ask the research Librarian there if they have any links with the largest Cypriate Library and see if they could track down further details for you. If you have a University nearby that allows non-students to use their campus library they would be able to do the same thing for you.

Good luck, I'd be very interested to hear more about this attack on Cyprus from Tyre.

Another way to tackle this is through the field of archeology they may have some record of the people you mention, maybe maps of that region during their era etc..

[FrankDH]

FrankDH

Sounds like an interesting event in History. Do you know anyone in Cyprus I'm sure they would have an event like this recorded in their Library there.

I used to be a Librarian (with would you believe a history major). So my advice is trying surfing the internet first and see what you can find. If you don't get much then try the following.

Go to a large library in your home town. Now being an Australian that lives in the capital city of my State for me that would be the State Library and I could ask the research Librarian there if they have any links with the largest Cypriate Library and see if they could track down further details for you. If you have a University nearby that allows non-students to use their campus library they would be able to do the same thing for you.

Good luck, I'd be very interested to hear more about this attack on Cyprus from Tyre.

Another way to tackle this is through the field of archeology they may have some record of the people you mention, maybe maps of that region during their era etc..

Thanks much. Don't know anyone from Cyprus or Tyre, but you gave me somewhere to begin.

[Mitsy]

FrankDH there are a few more ways you can research this but what I have given you is the best way to start. Let me know if you need more help.

You're most welcome. :wave
Mitsy

[FrankDH]

FrankDH there are a few more ways you can research this but what I have given you is the best way to start. Let me know if you need more help.

You're most welcome. :wave
Mitsy

Remember you said that. :eyebrows

[AnyDayNow]

Around 635 an Umayyad caliph, named Mu'awiyah I, build a naval base at Tyre and lanched attacks against Cyprus. Anyone know where I can find out more. And maybe maps locating the exact location?

635? AM or PM? :heh

This probably belongs in End Times Chat. :nod :lol

(I knew things were dicey in Lebanon, but this seems crucial)

[twelvesmaster]

Are you referring to this battle? Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk)

[FrankDH]

Are you referring to this battle? Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk)

No. This was a land battle. I think I'm looking at the battle of masts.

[Hootmon]

Found a Timeline... http://www.princeton.edu/~batke/itl/chron.html

[Hootmon]

The battle of the Masts
The Byzantines came again three years later in 654 C.E. The Byzantine fleet comprised as many as 500 vessels. Against this strength the Egyptian fleet had 200 vessels only. The Byzantine fleet was commanded by the Byzantine Emperor Constans in person. To start with, the archers from each side shot arrows at the other side. This led to some damage on the sides. Then the fleet of the two sides moved closer until their masts came to touch one another. Because of the proximity of the masts, the battle came to be known as Zat us Sawari the battle of the Masts. As the two fleets came to touch one another. A fierce hand to hand fight with swords and daggers took place on bored the ships. In this type of warfare the Muslims commanded superiority. There were heavy casualties in the Byzantine camp, and the Byzantines suffered defeat. Intense booty fell into the hand of the Muslims. So great was the slaughter that the sea was virtually dyed with the blood of the wounded and the dead. So great was the remorse of the Byzantine Emperor Constans at his defeat that he did not have the courage to return to Constantinople. He sought refuge in the island of Syracuse, but here too the infuriated people rose against him, and he was assassinated.

The battle of Zat us Sawari was a landmark in the history of Islam. It established the superiority of the Muslims on land as well as the sea. The Mediterranean Sea now became virtually a lake of the Muslims.

When Uthman came to know of this naval victory, he led a prayer of thanksgiving in the Prophet's mosque at Madina. Uthman felt happy that he had the honor of being the Caliph when the Muslims first won their naval victory, and became a naval power. http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/companion/23_uthman_bin_ghani.htm

[FrankDH]

Thank you all for the help.

[Redmow]

You may want to try Consim World. Browse through their forums to find an applicable forum concerning this. Alot of 'wargamers' there. Not rude people. Alot of very knowledgeable people concerning history.

[Redmow]

http://www.gmtgames.com/

See if this interests you.

Look for the game Wargalley. These are highly detailed games of history.

[FrankDH]

http://www.gmtgames.com/

See if this interests you.

Look for the game Wargalley. These are highly detailed games of history.

Didn't see anything I was looking for. But thanks for the effort.

[ChristineMarie]

Any luck yet?

[FrankDH]

Any luck yet?

Lots of info I find interesting. But I really want to see a map with the layout.

I may have help on the way though. The shop next to where I work is run by an Iraqi who taught history in the university. His son is looking into it for me.

[Mitsy]

Lots of info I find interesting. But I really want to see a map with the layout.

I may have help on the way though. The shop next to where I work is run by an Iraqi who taught history in the university. His son is looking into it for me.

Ah yes the best way to get good info, "word of mouth". :D:

[FrankDH]

Ah yes the best way to get good info, "word of mouth". :D:

You would think so. But it's assumption. I thought I had a problem explaining myself to pretribbers. :pound I need an interpreter when this guy speaks English. It was an interesting and off topic conversation.

It seems every time I said a word he understood, he told me everything he knew pertaining to that word. But there were some interesting comments made. I used the word "caliph". First he corrected my pronouciattion and then gave me every detail on the caliphs he could come up with. The interesting part was about the 4th caliph. Alias the smart caliph. A powerful but extremely humble ruler.

When entering Jerusalem, to worship, rather than ride his steed, he placed his servant on the animal and led it on foot into the city. Either this caliph, or the guy on the horse/ mule/whatever, received some damage to his right knee area. Not clear if it was a body wound or a tear in his leg garment. The humble caliph sewed it himself. VERY humble and righteous. So humble God gave him the keys the the kingdom of heaven. Sound familiar?

Another item. Mohahmed, while in Jerusalem, was confined or entered some sort of rock room, and couldn't exit. He prayed for a way out and God sent an angel [phonetic sounding Jibral. After 20 minutes of explaining, Jibral = Gabriel]. The angel caused the top of the rock to separate from the main rock in something similar to a lid lifted from a teapot. Mohammed flew out and towards heaven. But looked back, as he rose, and commanded the top of the rock to "stay". Supposedly, to this day it hangs suspended above the main rock withoutr support. But no one can see it because the Jews covered it with rocks so the world could not witness this Arab miracle.

Anyway, he turned out to be an economics prof instead of history. But will check with friends. May still be help on the way.

[Mitsy]

You would think so. But it's assumption. I thought I had a problem explaining myself to pretribbers. :pound I need an interpreter when this guy speaks English. It was an interesting and off topic conversation.

It seems every time I said a word he understood, he told me everything he knew pertaining to that word. But there were some interesting comments made. I used the word "caliph". First he corrected my pronouciattion and then gave me every detail on the caliphs he could come up with. The interesting part was about the 4th caliph. Alias the smart caliph. A powerful but extremely humble ruler.

When entering Jerusalem, to worship, rather than ride his steed, he placed his servant on the animal and led it on foot into the city. Either this caliph, or the guy on the horse/ mule/whatever, received some damage to his right knee area. Not clear if it was a body wound or a tear in his leg garment. The humble caliph sewed it himself. VERY humble and righteous. So humble God gave him the keys the the kingdom of heaven. Sound familiar?

Another item. Mohahmed, while in Jerusalem, was confined or entered some sort of rock room, and couldn't exit. He prayed for a way out and God sent an angel [phonetic sounding Jibral. After 20 minutes of explaining, Jibral = Gabriel]. The angel caused the top of the rock to separate from the main rock in something similar to a lid lifted from a teapot. Mohammed flew out and towards heaven. But looked back, as he rose, and commanded the top of the rock to "stay". Supposedly, to this day it hangs suspended above the main rock withoutr support. But no one can see it because the Jews covered it with rocks so the world could not witness this Arab miracle.

Anyway, he turned out to be an economics prof instead of history. But will check with friends. May still be help on the way.


For my History degree I had to write an research paper. I choose Migration to Australian in the 20th Century. Most of my history research was interviewing migrants of various community associations. Yep, lots of time having conversations on every topic under the sun and if you're lucky it might contain something you can use. :laugh I used lots of cassette tapes (I was at Uni in the 1980s) but I still found I couldn't understand half of what they were saying to me. :confused Been there done that. :lol

Hope you get something soon. Maybe it will a bit more factual?



Mitsy