Moshing for Jesus

[Blessedx4]

I wasn't really sure where this best fit so just did a coin toss and put it here :lol


Moshing for Jesus at "Christian Woodstock"
Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:56am EDT

MOUNT UNION, Pa (Reuters) - A music festival with heavy metal, punk, hip-hop and pop music might seem like an unusual place to get baptized, but Creation is a festival with strict rules: no alcohol, no drugs and no sex before marriage.

"It's like the Christian version of Woodstock, basically, except it's neat and clean," said Victor Gibson, 37, from Manheim, Pennsylvania, who brought his wife and five children aged from five to 14 to the four-day festival.

more.......... http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN3025515520080707?sp=true

[Blessedx4]

a little "poll" = where do ya'll think this should go- End Times Chat or Christian chat?

[Barachem]

I dunno, i'm quite wary of christian festivals like these.
They seem like a christianized version of the secular events they compare themselves with.
But only christians hang out there.
I've seen my share on the Flevo Festival, a dutch christian music festival.
The concept is nice and idealistic, the realization reasonable and most of the christians there are just wordly.
And also the latest christian spiritual trends are put on showcase there in workshops and events.
I just didn't like it in 2003 anymore, so i quit visiting it.
I doubt it has become better spiritually.

[Blessedx4]

Woodstock was an embarassment imho. Of all the things to copy :sigh

[MornDew247]

Young people need places to go, events to be part of, and music to enjoy. When I think of the worldly version of these things, it almost ALL centers around drugs and sex, so if you remove these things from the equasion, IMHO what you get are a bunch of Christians having a good time together. What do we expect Christians to do? Stay in the house all of the time and listen to talk radio?
The reference to Woodstock I have to admit makes little sense to me. Stay out of the mud, keep your clothes on, don't eat ANY color acid, and have fun...ummm, doesn't seem like Woodstock to me!! Most of the people I know who went to Woodstock simply remember they were there. They don't remember much of the concerts themselves at all :/

[Gordon b]

I think Christian music events are a great alternative. We went to a big 4 day festival last summer and my DD invited a couple non-christian friends to go with us.
A year later and both girls are active in our church youth group and growing.
Christian music can be a wonderful outreach tool and a great way of spreading the gospel. I find the reference to Woodstock humorous.

[Cricket55]

Definetly not a woodstock type festival.

[Ipredict1990]

Definetly not a woodstock type festival.


I`ll second that. It may have similar activities as a secular music festival, but the spirit, at least when I went was totally different. It`s also interesting that half the artists there have crossed over into the mainstream, which is a good thing IMO.

[sracer]

Young people need places to go, events to be part of, and music to enjoy. When I think of the worldly version of these things, it almost ALL centers around drugs and sex, so if you remove these things from the equasion, IMHO what you get are a bunch of Christians having a good time together. What do we expect Christians to do? Stay in the house all of the time and listen to talk radio?
The reference to Woodstock I have to admit makes little sense to me. Stay out of the mud, keep your clothes on, don't eat ANY color acid, and have fun...ummm, doesn't seem like Woodstock to me!! Most of the people I know who went to Woodstock simply remember they were there. They don't remember much of the concerts themselves at all :/
I remember Woodstock. It wasn't as outrageous as the legend has it. Looking back on it though, it is clear to me that Jesus was what most of those people were looking for... they just didn't know it.

[Spring Water]

a little "poll" = where do ya'll think this should go- End Times Chat or Christian chat?

Christian Chat.

[Myth Buster]

I guess they used Woodstock only for lack of a better term.

[JerRockson]

Speaking of Christian music festivals. I'm looking forward to the Revelation Generation this August. I'm going to see Devil Wears Prada, Flyleaf, Norma Jean, As I Lay Dying, etc. I can't wait. :)

[Blessedx4]

my problem isn't the festival actually it's the moshing. I have 4 boys, 2 of which are 23 and 21 now but they went to a few concerts as teenagers with mosh pits.

Came home sore and even bruised. I guess I have a hard time seeing how moshing is good Christian activity :lol


edit to add- I'm going to go ahead and move this to chat :):

[JerRockson]

For those about to mosh, we salute you! :wink

[MornDew247]

I have to admit I am pro-mosh. I mean, I'm 39, and I have never moshed in my life, but I've been there, and my DH used to throw himself into the pit when we were young. I saw someone get his arm broken. But they were young men-really still boys-and they had all of this excess energy, and it had to come out somehow. They were always so relaxed and tired and content after a show, and we would go out for pancakes!
They also rode dirtbikes and quads and climbed mountains and then raced to see who could run down them the fastest (saw a broken arm there as well).
They will outgrow it, and pretty quickly too.
First time they see someone really get hurt (or get hurt themselves-isn't that comforting?), or get a moment of panic while trying to leave a pit and finding themselves held by the undertow...they will quickly outgrow it.
Now just don't ask me what I'm going to say to my own 10-year-old boy if he reaches that stage, because I might be forced to show you a vivid example of hypocricy. :tape

[SusieQ]

Moshing and a christian concert/festival do not go together. Back when I was into punk rock I partook in many slam pits (it wasn't call moshing back in the late 70s). It was incredibly violent and it usually didn't end until a huge fight broke out, blood was pouring, and the police showed up:(: When this all occurred, it was considered a success by all of us pathetic, lost souls. I hate even admitting I was in this). The "moshing" I have witnessed in later years still very much resembles what I took part in (maybe somewhat less violent)...it is meant to get out aggression and many who are partaking in it (not all perhaps) are out to hurt others. Jumping from a stage to be carried by the crowd over their heads is only a small piece of this whole type of "dancing"...How does this fit in with christianity?

edited to add that there are much better, healthier ways for boys to get out their energy/aggression~sports, perhaps? Banging into others until bones are broken and people are bleeding is not edifying.

[Rev.3:20]

Moshing For Jesus just isn't right. I've been to a lot of shows before I was saved Christian Hardcore and just Hardcore. Moshing is a worldly violent act and as christians we should have no part in it. Just because someone labels something "christian" doesn't mean it benefits the body or soul. Ask a christian hardcore band where they got their sound or inspiration from and its going to be from a secular band . A kid will buy a chrsitian hardcore cd then find evil ungodly secular bands that sound like them and it will affect their spiritual life.

I'm 25 I know the attitude in hardcore music even if its a "christian" band. Its not something we should have coming into our ears.

[watchman]

Didn't Elijah break up a moshing thing once?

[Blessedx4]

edited to add that there are much better, healthier ways for boys to get out their energy/aggression~sports, perhaps? Banging into others until bones are broken and people are bleeding is not edifying.

True :nod

We need to be teaching our boys (and girls) that we are not animals or cavemen. That's this worlds teachings.

But that God made each of us

The Bible teaches us that we believers, are God's temple. Our bodies, our emtions, our mouths and thoughts are bought with a price. All have to be put under submission to Christ. That means He is on the throne of our lives, every aspect of our lives. Every day we have to get up and determine that we will surrender ourselves to Him. All day long. Our battle with flesh and satan will not end until we leave this life. But we can overcome through our Lord, we don't have to "give in to animal instincts" (again that's something this world has come up with to excuse bad behavior imho)



Didn't Elijah break up a moshing thing once?

:hysterical watchman where do you come up with this stuff! :rofl

[Gordon b]

I'm not a fan of moshing.
I, however, have an observation. At a secular event if you get knocked down you will be trampled into the mud until you are bloody.
At a Christian event if you get knocked down you will have at least 5 people stop and help you to get back up.

[Rev.3:20]

I'm not a fan of moshing.
I, however, have an observation. At a secular event if you get knocked down you will be trampled into the mud until you are bloody.
At a Christian event if you get knocked down you will have at least 5 people stop and help you to get back up.

I can say that is not true. I have seen plenty of times people being helped out of the pit at secular events. You would be surprised just as many fights happen at "christian" hardcore shows as the secular shows. The only thing at a christian event that helps control fights is that they don't have alcohol and drugs readily available for the audience.

[Gordon b]

I can say that is not true.... As I was stating my "observation" I resent be called a liar.
I am sure that sure that what I have personally observed is not always the case but is probably still a fair representation based on what I know of Christian behavior is general.

[Rev.3:20]

As I was stating my "observation" I resent be called a liar.
I am sure that sure that what I have personally observed is not always the case but is probably still a fair representation based on what I know of Christian behavior is general.

I apologize if you took my statement as calling you a liar that was not my intent. I'm typing this on my phone so I can't insert a sorry smiley. :)

[sracer]

Moshing and a christian concert/festival do not go together.
You are absolutely correct!

Christians are to bear the fruits of the spirit. The only thing moshing will do is turn those fruits into jam (jelly). :doh



I can say that is not true. I have seen plenty of times people being helped out of the pit at secular events. You would be surprised just as many fights happen at "christian" hardcore shows as the secular shows. The only thing at a christian event that helps control fights is that they don't have alcohol and drugs readily available for the audience.
If the absence of alcohol and drugs is the only distinction between a secular and Christian event, then it is fair to say that it isn't really a Christian event.

[Gordon b]

If the absence of alcohol and drugs is the only distinction between a secular and Christian event, then it is fair to say that it isn't really a Christian event. That would be very sad if it were the case.