TD Jakes...good? bad? why?

[JerRockson]

Hey. I was wondering about TD Jakes lately. I've heard not to long ago that he's going to be preaching at the BattleCry event next month in Continental Airlines Arena. I know that he has a Oneness background and that his doctrine shares with the Prosperity Gospel. Any comments or advice?

[Paul]

I know that he has a Oneness background and that his doctrine shares with the Prosperity Gospel. Any comments or advice?Sounds like you've answered your own question.

Oneness theology denies the Trinity. That's heretical. The Prosperity Gospel, if it isn't heretical, it's at best bad bible teaching.

[cjones]

Watching him on TV and seeing his webpages, I can't help but notice that it seems to be all about TD Jakes, and not about Jesus Christ.

... and Paul already mentioned the one of the biggies, not believing in the Trinity.

-chris

[JerRockson]

Oneness theology denies the Trinity. That's heretical. The Prosperity Gospel, if it isn't heretical, it's at best bad bible teaching.

I still don't understand why Ron Luce would let TD Jakes preach at the BattleCry event...Well, I won't pass judgement on Ron Luce. It's still a shame that TD Jakes is preaching. Well, I heard that A.R. Bernard is preaching at the event. I've googled him, and so far, found nothing wrong with him. In fact, I've seen him preach some times before.

[Gamefan1980]

Here we go again....

[Rainbo2]

Here we go again....

:popcorn Want some?

[head1982]

Here we go again....

I believe False Gospels must be denounced whenever the chance arises. it's a fact that we have many Wolves in Sheep's clothing within Christianity and not many people have the discernment to tell them from the Real Deal Biblical Christianity.

So the Questions of doubts like these are always welcome

[CHRISTinCheryl]

check this out...about Jakes

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/td_jakes_and_on.html

[Blessed2B]

After his "Christian" movie that featured strippers in their underwear, I lost what respect I had of him to begin with.

[cjones]

After his "Christian" movie that featured strippers in their underwear, I lost what respect I had of him to begin with.

WHAT?!?!? :confused

[Blessed2B]

This one:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0399901/trailers-screenplay-E22333-314

A man takes a young girl in the room and closes the door.
You hear shuffling and screaming. Her mother finds her huddled in the closet covered with blood.

This same girl is later shown getting out of the shower wearing nothing but a towel.

The movie shows a strip club with women pole dancing.

The words D**n, Hell, and A** are used in the movie.

Characters are seen smoking crack pipes.

While I would expect this from many Hollywood movies, I don't think it's a very good example for a "Christian" movie.

[SapphireGrl]

Wasn't the movie about a molestation/rape victim eventually overcoming her past through Christ? :confused

[cjones]

I didn't know (until now since I've read up on it) that the movie 'Woman, thou art loosed' is based on a T.D.Jakes book of the same name. I've seen the book called a 'self-help novel'. But however you classify the book/movie, it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that the leader of a church should be writing. I'm sure others might disagree, but I think the leader of a church should be shepherding his flock, helping them to grow to be better Christians and consistently sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ.

Now, speaking again on T.D.Jakes, I came across these web pages in looking into the aforementioned movie. The first one (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/february7/5.58.html) is from christianitytoday.com speaking to some criticism of T.D.Jakes. The second one (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/februaryweb-only/13.0b.html) is also on the same web page and is a response to the first article by T.D.Jakes.

I'm not sure what to make of his response, since this is from the year 2000 and I've not heard any T.D.Jakes critics speak to this article (although I'm sure some have). They're interesting reads to say the least.

-chris

[JerRockson]

I almost forgot. My Youth Pastor really likes TD Jakes, but is unaware that he denies the trinity. I still trust my Youth Pastor because he's been helpful to me, but the fact that he supports TD Jakes, that only asks for trouble.

What should I do?

[Paul]

You test all things and hold on to what is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

[4everHis]

Maybe prayer is the best answer when you are questioning who you should follow.
TD Jakes, is not someone I have followed closely but if he denies the trinity, I say run away from him fast and just open your bible and read read read read read.

[Paidfor]

I almost forgot. My Youth Pastor really likes TD Jakes, but is unaware that he denies the trinity. I still trust my Youth Pastor because he's been helpful to me, but the fact that he supports TD Jakes, that only asks for trouble.

What should I do?

Follow only Jesus Christ.

It doesn't matter if it is TD Jakes, Ron Luce, your youth pastor or anyone else, they are all sinful men. You should question everything that men teach. It is so important to study the Bible so that you understand what you believe and why you believe it. Then when someone makes a wrong statement, you will know that they are wrong and why. As you work to become mature in Christ, false teachings will become more and more apparent to you.

[countmeworthy]

Follow only Jesus Christ.

It is so important to study the Bible so that you understand what you believe and why you believe it. Then when someone makes a wrong statement, you will know that they are wrong and why. As you work to become mature in Christ, false teachings will become more and more apparent to you.

EXCELLENT point Paidfor! Too many people are too 'busy' to read and study the bible for themselves. Thus they rely on 'pastors' to teach them or worst to preach to them. (I don't think there are very many true bible TEACHERS around. That doesn't bother me because the more we read, meditate and study the bible for ourselves and with our friends, loved ones, family, etc., we will be rooted and grounded in the TRUTH of the Word of God. The Holy Spirit will give us understanding and Wisdom as we meditate and read the Word carefully and prayerfully.

We will then be able to encourage one another in the Lord Jesus Christ and be able to tell others (non-believers) about Jesus, the Savior, Redeemer and Deliverer!

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another, in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.


Hebrews 5:12-13
For though by this time you ought to be teachers you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

[ProphecySeeker]

Being Lutheran anyone who denies the Trinity is not for me. I have seen a lot of his books glanced at them but have never bought them. Though he was on Dr Phil one time....

[linda]

I saw TD Jakes on Dr. Phil and Oprah, what a joke! He went along with Oprah about the new age cult teachings. I've also watched a sermon of his on TV once, the man teaches WOF/Oneness/Prosperity/new age junk. He is leading so many astray.

When we stand before God we are all accountable. If we are saved we will spend eternity with the Most High and receive our crowns. But I would hate to hear this question asked of me by our Heavenly Father: Why did you listen to everyone but not read from the Bible I gave you? Why didn't you just read a few chapters a week and learn for yourself instead of relying on mere men? Is man infallible, no....only me, Your father, your savior, your comforter.

A fellow Christian at work reads tons of books about the bible, but doesn't actually read the bible. In a discussion with him last week, I hinted he may need to pick up the bible rather than rely on what someone's interpretation might be, because it could be wrong.

[JerRockson]

It doesn't matter if it is TD Jakes, Ron Luce, your youth pastor or anyone else, they are all sinful men. You should question everything that men teach. It is so important to study the Bible so that you understand what you believe and why you believe it. Then when someone makes a wrong statement, you will know that they are wrong and why. As you work to become mature in Christ, false teachings will become more and more apparent to you.

Well, I am a Ron Luce fan, but I'll take your advice. Their all fallible people and need to be corrected. I learned that from Pastor Greg.

[humbleone]

JerROckson,

I cannot help but notice that you have started another thread on here about possible "bad" teachers. Have u considered a fast with much prayer, and seeking the Lord for yourself if u have concerns about anyone in particular?

Threads like these just seem like "sport" to me.... so yes, I am suspicious. Everyone has opinions but the only one that matters is the Lord's. Have u sought Him one on one with your concerns about Mr. Jakes?

[JerRockson]

Threads like these just seem like "sport" to me.... so yes, I am suspicious. Everyone has opinions but the only one that matters is the Lord's. Have u sought Him one on one with your concerns about Mr. Jakes?

Well, I did try to convince him that Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey etc. are heretics. He just thinks that he won't clarify them as heretics because he acknowledges that they're fallible, but still thinks that they're mighty men of God.

I could try emailing him a CRI link about TD Jakes.

[Paidfor]

Well, I am a Ron Luce fan, but I'll take your advice. Their all fallible people and need to be corrected. I learned that from Pastor Greg.


I'm not real familiar with Battlecry. But things like that are a good opportunity to fellowship with friends, have a good time, and worship God.

Just don't drink the Kool-aid.;):

[CHRISTinCheryl]

Jakes is part of the falling away...
He has become a wealthy businessman and "celebrity" all in the name of christianity...like many these days...
He has exalted himself and you'll see he has his audience hanging on his every word...

only JESUS should he exalted:cross:praise

[ProphecySeeker]

Jakes is part of the falling away...
He has become a wealthy businessman and "celebrity" all in the name of christianity...like many these days...
He has exalted himself and you'll see he has his audience hanging on his every word...

only JESUS should he exalted:cross:praise

You get that when you tell people to send their money to the Lord and they give you their address. Anyone know heavens address? If you do e-mail it to these so called what ever they are.

[CaiperLane]

If we know our scripture NOBODY can fool us or lead us astray....

[JerRockson]

I'm back from BattleCry. I saw TD Jakes speak and all he preached on was how kids today are trying look for their space, adding that Jesus will take them in his space. To make a long story short, nothing heretical. But that was only tonight. He still doesn't believe in the trinity.

My mom thinks that he does believe in the trinity, but thinks I'm being overcautious. Any proof that he's a modalist?

I'm really in need. Everytime I try to shut up about false teachers, my mom has to be the newsflasher and keep asking me questions about people like Jakes. I really just want to get a normal life for crying out loud.

[joy4Him2day]

I think its good to realize that none of us are walking in all truth at all times because we are all growing in our understanding of God and His ways, and, truthfully, of ourselves and our ways.
While it is good to have some one point out errors, try not to shut down and keep in your own little circle. I was afraid to move out from my "safe authors" and "speakers", but have learned of a much more forgiving God, Grace-full God, and LARGE God since opening up my circle of understanding. Have I gone off course? Oh, many times, embarrassingly so, but keep humble, talk to others who aren't afraid to say, "I don't know"--it's the one's who are so sure of themselves they don't listen that I am more afraid of.

A wise man will listen and be yet wiser.
I say go back and read the beginning of proverbs to get instruction on how to listen. As long as you watch, and listen, while keeping an attitude toward God, He will continue to teach you, and you will be surprised, a lot.

PS oh, btw, my daughter said she didn't like Battlecry so much--it's a little on the "showy" side, but she also went to "Desperation" out in Colorado and said that was unbelievable.

[joy4Him2day]

If we know our scripture NOBODY can fool us or lead us astray....

this is the sort of thing that will catch you---because it isn't a safeguard. What is KNOWING scripture? Since there are how many religions based on scripture?
Nothing saves us from the growing pains of learning right from wrong. As a christian, often the thing that trips us up is the thing that looks right but is wrong, ie, DECEPTION. It isn't deception if we can tell its wrong and we do it anyway.
Remember the Pharisees followed the law to the Letter, but they were still wrong, very, very wrong. What was missing?

[JerRockson]

PS oh, btw, my daughter said she didn't like Battlecry so much--it's a little on the "showy" side, but she also went to "Desperation" out in Colorado and said that was unbelievable.

That's a shame. I really enjoyed it. We got hold up reflectors up toward the lights and wave them back and forth.

I think its good to realize that none of us are walking in all truth at all times because we are all growing in our understanding of God and His ways, and, truthfully, of ourselves and our ways.
While it is good to have some one point out errors, try not to shut down and keep in your own little circle. I was afraid to move out from my "safe authors" and "speakers", but have learned of a much more forgiving God, Grace-full God, and LARGE God since opening up my circle of understanding. Have I gone off course? Oh, many times, embarrassingly so, but keep humble, talk to others who aren't afraid to say, "I don't know"--it's the one's who are so sure of themselves they don't listen that I am more afraid of.

Does that mean I have to keep trying to convince my parents or Youth Pastor of TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar and the like?

[joy4Him2day]

oes that mean I have to keep trying to convince my parents or Youth Pastor of TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar and the like?

I don't think you have to make it a source of contention. I think that you quietly learn what God wants from you in this situation, and it might be the less said of them, and the more of His faithfulness.

We don't have to sell each other to each other--whether your mother is right, your Youth Pastor is right, T.D.Jakes is right, or whether they are all wrong at this point. You are just trying to serve God, so develop that communication to its highest level. He will start teaching you the things that will matter in eternity. Scripture alludes to the fact that we spend too much time on the wrong thing regarding each other---do you know Jesus had to tell the disciples to mind their own business? Yes, when they were complaining about something someone else was or wasn't doing. Jesus turned and said to them, "What is that to you?"

I haven't followed your whole discussions about your mom and you, but I will say, even if I have opinions about someone, it is hard for me sometimes to separate "taste" from "truth". I personally would have found John the Baptist quite annoying and disgusting, and would not have leaned towards listening to him. Jesus, on the other hand, came into the scene shockingly upsetting most of the stuff the Pharisees banked on, so they wouldn't listen to him either.

All this is to say, just don't write stuff off because someone else told you to. Listen to what they say, especially if you know them to have a great relationship with the Lord, but not only, some of the least expected people God has used to teach me something. I don't even write off people who I know don't know God at all. Sometimes they can tell me something that matters to my spiritual life that I can't let in because I am too spiritual.

I wish I had pages and pages to explain what I mean. I am not sure this is sounding as it should.

Sometimes I have to say to people, you know, there's just something not quite right, although, he has a lot of good to say. CaiperLane had this in mind, I think, that if we spend enough time studying God's ways and watching Him in our lives, we will soon be able to pick out the right from the wrong.
God said that we would hear Him say turn to the left and turn to the right. Symbolicly I am sure, He just meant that He would "guide us with His eye".

I always ask for "eye contact" when I am not sure. Sometimes, He looks away. :wave

[CaiperLane]

I'm back from BattleCry. I saw TD Jakes speak and all he preached on was how kids today are trying look for their space, adding that Jesus will take them in his space. To make a long story short, nothing heretical. But that was only tonight. He still doesn't believe in the trinity.

My mom thinks that he does believe in the trinity, but thinks I'm being overcautious. Any proof that he's a modalist?

I'm really in need. Everytime I try to shut up about false teachers, my mom has to be the newsflasher and keep asking me questions about people like Jakes. I really just want to get a normal life for crying out loud.

Give your mom to the Lord. Ask him to carry this burden for you because it's just a little more than you can deal with right now.

And ask him to help you in reaching her if that's what He wants you to do. Don't rely on your own understanding, rely on the Lord to reveal to you what your mom needs to hear.


Encourage her to read the Word. Find her a Bible study/devotional book at the Christian bookstore. Give her that as a gift and perhaps she will learn about the word on her own and not depend on a tv evangelist to get fed. Remember we are what we eat. :):

[JerRockson]

Encourage her to read the Word. Find her a Bible study/devotional book at the Christian bookstore. Give her that as a gift and perhaps she will learn about the word on her own and not depend on a tv evangelist to get fed. Remember we are what we eat.:)

Believe me. She's got a million of them. But I'll convince to read the Bible on her own. It's just like my online friend AXguitar said, "If you have sudden urge to read 'Your Best Life Now,' read the Bible instead because Christianity is not a 'Get Rich Quick' scheme.

[CaiperLane]

Believe me. She's got a million of them. But I'll convince to read the Bible on her own. It's just like my online friend AXguitar said, "If you have sudden urge to read 'Your Best Life Now,' read the Bible instead because Christianity is not a 'Get Rich Quick' scheme.

You know I know older people like to read less but they love to watch even more. Maybe you could find her some teaching DVD/Videos. Billy Graham, Jack Van Impe and Greg Laurie have some good ones. That might be a way to get her to listen to the Word while learning from a reliable teacher. :nod