All Sickness From Satan??

[Pagal]

I just had a well meaning family member ask how my son was doing who suffers from Epilespy. I said, oh we found some great doctors and a low doseage of anti-siezure meds cleared it up immediatly. Amen God led us to the right doctors.

She paused..........then said, well honey, ALL sickness is from Satan and you just need to pray and rebuke it":rolleyes

Now, I am totally in knowledge that God can heal. THe first time he had siezures I prayed earnestly and God delivered him overnight which the doctors could NOT explain. But I could! Jesus :clap

2 years later, it returned just as ferociously and I prayed again just as earnestly and sought doctors to help. They were able to identify it, medicate it and relieve my son of his symtoms. I believe that is an answer to prayer.

I guess some people believe I should have just sat back and allowed my 4 year old to have 20 plus seizures a day and just pray........but why would I ingore God's leading to wonderful Doctors who helped???

Am I wrong????? !!!!!!:faint

[BHiles]

Always go to God before the Doctor, then and only then we know if it is allowed to remain that God has allowed such a thing to exist. Sickness is from sin and the fall on all men. But through Jesus Christ we are all healed but we have not necessarily been given that healing in our present bodies. We still die.

We do know this. All healing is from God. But God does not always heal our current bodies. In all things Trust God.

[Pagal]

Always go to God before the Doctor, then and only then we know if it is allowed to remain that God has allowed such a thing to exist. Sickness is from sin and the fall on all men. But through Jesus Christ we are all healed but we have not necessarily been given that healing in our present bodies. We still die.

We do know this. All healing is from God. But God does not always heal our current bodies. In all things Trust God.


Yes, I did pray but my son was having 20 siezures a day so I had to rush to doctors. I hoped God would deliver him as he did before but it remained and we faced a decision .....allow him to continue to sieze or medicate?? I worried about the medicine and felt at peice it wouldn't harm him which it didn't! :clap

This relative didn't take her young daughter to the emergency room when she injured her eye becuase she thought prayer would heal it in the BEST Of intentions...........however, her daughter went blind becuse she didn't seek medical treatment and well, God didn't intervien for whatever reason.

I realize we're living in curruptable bodies becuase of Adam......but, is ALL sickness an attack from Satan or Gods' wrath????

[covenant mom]

I realize we're living in curruptable bodies becuase of Adam......but, is ALL sickness an attack from Satan or Gods' wrath????

I think that Satan can't attack us unless he's allowed just like Job. I don't think that every sickness/death is the direct result of Satan or God's wrath. I guess if someone could prove otherwise w/ scripture I'd be willing to listen. I can't imagine God ever pooring out His "wrath" on an innocent child. That does seem to go against the word. This is just my 2 cents.

[mark3274]

well some christians seem to think that BUt I just do not think so. I think The Lord uses doctors and medicines now if only medicine was more advanced...
sometimes I wish we had some of that new medicines now but hopefully the Lord is coming soon. hope springs eternal.

[humbleone]

I don't think that every sickness/death is the direct result of Satan or God's wrath

I agree with this statement. We also reap what we sow, and God does say in His Word that He will not be mocked. If someone chooses to abuse their body with fattening foods and other junk.... and then becomes obese, and then develops diabetes, I do not think this is to blamed on God, or, Satan.

If I were to exercise like crazy, all the time, and become injured.... and then just plow on ahead and ignore those injuries, and in time really suffer a major and disabling injury, I dont believe it is GOd, or necessarily Satan either.
God does give us free will, and with that the awesome power to CHOOSE....

As far as sicknesses and diseases such as the OP wrote of, epilepsy, and so on...... I do not know. God can or could have allowed the affliction.... I do think Satan is the one allowed to perpetrate it on somebody, just like with Job..... I do think God ALLOWS certain bad things into our lives.... for His reasons, and for His purposes, and that sometimes or even many times, we will not know or understand until we are gone and with Him in Heaven..

[LisaAnn]

I realize we're living in curruptable bodies becuase of Adam......but, is ALL sickness an attack from Satan or Gods' wrath????

This is your answer right here. God cursed the world and us because of Adam's sin. Our bodies have been suffering from genetic mutations
for 6-10 thousand years now.

I believe that it is possible for Satan to cause illness but no, he doesent cause all of it.
You might find this article interesting.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/death-and-suffering.asp

[Sincere]

I think that Satan can't attack us unless he's allowed just like Job. I don't think that every sickness/death is the direct result of Satan or God's wrath. I guess if someone could prove otherwise w/ scripture I'd be willing to listen. I can't imagine God ever pooring out His "wrath" on an innocent child. That does seem to go against the word. This is just my 2 cents.

I think you're right. Satan cannot inflict us if he is not allowed to by God. I think God is behind everything...he's that big. Notice Lam 3:31-33..."For the Lord will not cast off forever, but, though he cause grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love; for he does not willingly afflict or grieve the children of men." Also notice Amos 3:6..."Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?" So there it is. I think even if bad things occur, it only happens because God permits it. Thats probably why he can say "All things work for the good of those who love God." (Romans 8:28)

[FrankDH]

I just had a well meaning family member ask how my son was doing who suffers from Epilespy. I said, oh we found some great doctors and a low doseage of anti-siezure meds cleared it up immediatly. Amen God led us to the right doctors.

She paused..........then said, well honey, ALL sickness is from Satan and you just need to pray and rebuke it":rolleyes

Now, I am totally in knowledge that God can heal. THe first time he had siezures I prayed earnestly and God delivered him overnight which the doctors could NOT explain. But I could! Jesus :clap

2 years later, it returned just as ferociously and I prayed again just as earnestly and sought doctors to help. They were able to identify it, medicate it and relieve my son of his symtoms. I believe that is an answer to prayer.

I guess some people believe I should have just sat back and allowed my 4 year old to have 20 plus seizures a day and just pray........but why would I ingore God's leading to wonderful Doctors who helped???

Am I wrong????? !!!!!!:faint


You are not wrong and Satan isn't the root of all sickness.

Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Your child may become a great witness to God.

[Caleb]

I think God is leading you to doctors who can help your son. I firmly believe in the power of prayer, but I also believe that God gave us minds to reason with as well.

[Vickimac]

Satan has no control over God, God has ultimate control and satan does nothing unless God allows it.
I also believe God allows what he does for his purpose and our growth.

Ask for the desires of your heart, pray for Gods will, be willing to accept that and don't pass up a lifeboat in a flood.

[yogi fan]

You are not wrong and Satan isn't the root of all sickness.

Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Your child may become a great witness to God.

I went to go post this and saw that you had:thumb

A parent who has a child with special needs has enough to contend with without someone telling them they don't have enough faith and that is why their child is ill or slow or whatever.

[FrankDH]

I went to go post this and saw that you had:thumb

A parent who has a child with special needs has enough to contend with without someone telling them they don't have enough faith and that is why their child is ill or slow or whatever.

Phi 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

[IM_HIS]

I just had a well meaning family member ask how my son was doing who suffers from Epilespy.............

Am I wrong????? !!!!!!:faint

:grouphug to my beautiful sister in Christ.

You are NOT wrong. You've heard some beautiful scripture verses here that prove that sometimes sickness or infirmities need to be taken at face value. They are done simply for the glory of our wonderful God.

As the parent of a 10 year old multiply handicapped child, I can tell you that I've learned many things along this journey. And one of those is that my son's infirmities have been allowed by God, for very definite purposes. Some of them are too private to post here, but one of the greatest blessings that have come from my son's trials is this....no matter how scared, lonely, dark, depressed or defeated I may feel...I can lean on Christ, who has won the battle already, and I WILL come out the other side...battered and beaten sometime, but I WILL COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE of these heartaches...and if I let it happen, I come out of them stronger, more aware of the the awesomeness (is that a word? It ought to be...) of our God. And singing His praises even more.

Listen to your heart, to that still small voice that is leading you in your quest for medical care for your precious child. And don't forget to pray for those who make such hurtful comments. They're not being made out of spite, but out of ignorance, and they (people making the comments) need to be prayed for.

May God bless you and keep you and light the way that you must travel. He is faithful and He WILL do just that...

YSIC,
Anji
www.caringbridge.com/visit/jonahedge

[King of Kings]

:grouphug to my beautiful sister in Christ.

You are NOT wrong. You've heard some beautiful scripture verses here that prove that sometimes sickness or infirmities need to be taken at face value. They are done simply for the glory of our wonderful God.

As the parent of a 10 year old multiply handicapped child, I can tell you that I've learned many things along this journey. And one of those is that my son's infirmities have been allowed by God, for very definite purposes. Some of them are too private to post here, but one of the greatest blessings that have come from my son's trials is this....no matter how scared, lonely, dark, depressed or defeated I may feel...I can lean on Christ, who has won the battle already, and I WILL come out the other side...battered and beaten sometime, but I WILL COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE of these heartaches...and if I let it happen, I come out of them stronger, more aware of the the awesomeness (is that a word? It ought to be...) of our God. And singing His praises even more.

Listen to your heart, to that still small voice that is leading you in your quest for medical care for your precious child. And don't forget to pray for those who make such hurtful comments. They're not being made out of spite, but out of ignorance, and they (people making the comments) need to be prayed for.

May God bless you and keep you and light the way that you must travel. He is faithful and He WILL do just that...

YSIC,
Anji
www.caringbridge.com/visit/jonahedge

[Mitsy]

Sickness doesn't exist in the presence of our Lord & King in heaven, only here on Earth since the fall of man. This tells me a lot about sickness not being God's will for us but a outcome of living in a sinful world.

I have had chronic illness for 15 years. I have searched the scriptures for teaching on healing. I have bought books & tapes on the subject. I have travelled to many meetings where it was claimed that the speakers were able to induce healing through prayer (I hadn't seen any miracle healings at these meeting).

Healing is only from God & by God. No human being by their will or prayers can induce a healing miracle. Jesus had compassion and when he saw the crowds come to Him he healed them all. Only in His home town he couldn't heal many. This shows me that God wants us to be whole, healed & restored. I also know it has to be in His timing.

Now I don't know the reason behind why I haven't been fully healed through a miracle? I know I keep short accounts with God. I repent when I'm convicted by the Holy Spirit of sin in my life. So I am sure it is not sin that keeps me sick. Jesus paid for my sins on the crosss, all of my sins. Like Job I know I am righteous before God. Like Job I don't know what is going on in the spiritual realm. I just try to have the right attitude, keeping myself open to teaching & correction of the Holy Spirit. I keep God's word before my eyes and try to employ it in my life as best I can. I also keep trusting in Him and I remember as I learnt from the book of Job recently EVERYTHING in my life is under the SOVEREIGNTY of my LORD & KING (not Satan).

Having said that I haven't been healed from my chronic illness, I have known of a small number of miraculous healings. Christians praying for one another, not in healing meetings but in homes and small groups. Faithfully upholding one another. In this setting I have come to see God work healing from chronic & life threatening conditions. The doctors tests first diagnosing these illnesses and then later during treatment or without successful treatment the illness disappearing (& so far not having returned). The doctors explain it away as spontaneous remission. So quickly and so completely? Yes I believe God still heals miraculously today.

Unfortunately there are still many like me who are still suffering or have lost the battle to stay alive and so we don't want to believe it is possibe for us. I always remember these word by Jesus.

MT 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

I'm not letting go of the hope that I can be healed in my lifetime on this Earth. If I get healed, I will have another miracle to add to my list which starts with my Salvation. If not I still have my Salvation and that ensures my place in heaven where I will be whole & complete without any sin or sickness.

We need to face suffering & trials so that God can break off the sin that stops us from becoming like Christ. That is why I believe many of us remain sick. Sin is so ingrained, so difficult to remove that it takes such drastic and painful methods for the Lord to remove it from us. If there was another way do you think our Loving Lord would not use it.

1PETER 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

[IM_HIS]

We need to face suffering & trials so that God can break off the sin that stops us from becoming like Christ. That is why I believe many of us remain sick. Sin is so ingrained, so difficult to remove that it takes such drastic and painful methods for the Lord to remove it from us. If there was another way do you think our Loving Lord would not use it.

[/I]

And sometimes, sickness is merely a way to bring glory to God. I don't discount the fact that sin can and does sometime lead to physical infirmities...even forgiven sin has consequences. But, to make a blanket statement can be hurtful...and misleading. The bottom line is that none of us know for certain...we can't know in this lifetime, for we are seeing darkly. It's a matter of perspective...as humans we look at things from a human perspective...but God's perspective is going to be revealed to us one glorious day, and THEN we will know by sight what now we must accept on faith.

Pagal, may you find peace on your journey with your child, and know that I am praying for you.

YSIC,

Anji
www.caringbridge.com/visit/jonahedge

[Mitsy]

And sometimes, sickness is merely a way to bring glory to God. I don't discount the fact that sin can and does sometime lead to physical infirmities...even forgiven sin has consequences. But, to make a blanket statement can be hurtful...and misleading. The bottom line is that none of us know for certain...we can't know in this lifetime, for we are seeing darkly. It's a matter of perspective...as humans we look at things from a human perspective...but God's perspective is going to be revealed to us one glorious day, and THEN we will know by sight what now we must accept on faith.


Before you take only one part of my post & make out that I am making a blanket statement (ie you claim I'm saying personal sin leads to sickness), stop & read it in context. I state that sickness is a result of the fallen world not just personal sin. I have pointed to Job who was a righteous man yet he was afflicted with sickness.

Sickness doesn't exist in the presence of our Lord & King in heaven, only here on Earth since the fall of man. This tells me a lot about sickness not being God's will for us but a outcome of living in a sinful world.

I know I keep short accounts with God. I repent when I'm convicted by the Holy Spirit of sin in my life. So I am sure it is not sin that keeps me sick. Jesus paid for my sins on the crosss, all of my sins. Like Job I know I am righteous before God. Like Job I don't know what is going on in the spiritual realm.

I also suffer from ongoing Chronic illness and I certainly am aware of how terrible it is to be judged by Christians as having unrepented Sin in my life as the cause of my sickness. It is a horrible thing to have people say & I certainly have not made that conclusion or judgement of Pagal's son.

Please read people's posts more carefully before making swift conclusions. I can see now re-reading my post that it waffles on a little & is not completely clear. However, you should ask what I meant by this statement or that before slapping me on the wrist.

Don't use me to preach your point of view. If you need to make a point you can do it without misquoting me.

[Deb]

Should the Lord tarry, each one of us will die. That is because we live in corruptable bodies. Even this well meaning relative will die, no matter how much faith she claims in the name of Jesus to heal her. We live in a fallen world, and yet, sometimes God does choose to heal. He healed my Mom of cancer when I was 10 when the doctors said there was no hope for her. She wasn't even a Christian. Then she died of cancer when she was 74 years old (10 years ago), a great woman of faith -- prayer warrior -- but faith to her did not mean "He'll do what I ask!" It meant, "I'll ask, and it's up to Him." Her life was in His hands. He took her.

Joni Earikson had to deal with this faith issue in her paralysis. "Well meaning" people telling her she just needed to believe, and she would walk! She believed as hard as she could, and nothing ... Honeytree wrote a song for her, which Joni said really nailed it for her:

Joni's Song

Though I spend this mortal lifetime in this chair
I refuse to waste it living in despair
And though others may receive gifts of healing, I believe
That He has given me a gift beyond compare

That's why heaven is nearer to me
And at times it is all I can see
Sweet music I hear coming down to my ear
And I know that it's playing for me
For I am Christ the Savior's own bride
And redeemed I shall stand by His side
He will say "Shall we dance" and our endless romance
Will be worth All the tears I have cried

I rejoice with him whose pain my Savior heals
And I weep with him who still his anguish feels
But earthy joys and earthly tears are confined to earthly years
And a greater good the Word of God reveals.

In this life I have a cross that I must bear
A tiny part of Jesus death that I can share
And one day I'll lay it down and He has promised me a crown
To which my suffering can never be compared.

That's why heaven is nearer to me
And at times it is all I can see
Sweet music I hear coming down to my ear
And I know that it's playing for me
For I am Christ the Savior's own bride
And redeemed I shall stand by His side
He will say "Shall we dance" and our endless romance
Will be worth All the tears I have cried



If life were perfect here on earth, we wouldn't be anxiously waiting for perfection with Him, would we? Yet, we can and should pray and ask, let our requests be made known -- however, the final answer -- the final perfection - we all wait for:

ESV
Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

[IM_HIS]

Before you take only one part of my post & make out that I am making a blanket statement (ie you claim I'm saying personal sin leads to sickness), stop & read it in context. I state that sickness is a result of the fallen world not just personal sin. I have pointed to Job who was a righteous man yet he was afflicted with sickness.





I also suffer from ongoing Chronic illness and I certainly am aware of how terrible it is to be judged by Christians as having unrepented Sin in my life as the cause of my sickness. It is a horrible thing to have people say & I certainly have not made that conclusion or judgement of Pagal's son.

Please read people's posts more carefully before making swift conclusions. I can see now re-reading my post that it waffles on a little & is not completely clear. However, you should ask what I meant by this statement or that before slapping me on the wrist.

Don't use me to preach your point of view. If you need to make a point you can do it without misquoting me.


As you saw when you re-read your post, it was a little unclear. However, I was not "slapping you on the wrist". Just clarifying. Sorry if you felt misquoted, however what I quoted was exactly what you had typed. No harm meant, just wanted to clarify, as I too have felt the pain you mention of being judged by Christians, and wanted to ensure that Pagal didn't suffer that same pain.

YSIC,
Anji

[IM_HIS]

Joni's Song

Though I spend this mortal lifetime in this chair
I refuse to waste it living in despair
And though others may receive gifts of healing, I believe
That He has given me a gift beyond compare

That's why heaven is nearer to me
And at times it is all I can see
Sweet music I hear coming down to my ear
And I know that it's playing for me
For I am Christ the Savior's own bride
And redeemed I shall stand by His side
He will say "Shall we dance" and our endless romance
Will be worth All the tears I have cried

I rejoice with him whose pain my Savior heals
And I weep with him who still his anguish feels
But earthy joys and earthly tears are confined to earthly years
And a greater good the Word of God reveals.

In this life I have a cross that I must bear
A tiny part of Jesus death that I can share
And one day I'll lay it down and He has promised me a crown
To which my suffering can never be compared.

That's why heaven is nearer to me
And at times it is all I can see
Sweet music I hear coming down to my ear
And I know that it's playing for me
For I am Christ the Savior's own bride
And redeemed I shall stand by His side
He will say "Shall we dance" and our endless romance
Will be worth All the tears I have cried






What a beautiful song! Thanks for sharing!

Anji

[Pagal]

Thank you everyone. Your words brought comfort. I pray that we ALL will have that FAITH knowing OUR LORD is capable of all things.....He makes a way when their is NO WAY.......

I sometimes, can be to quick to accept something that looks impossible ! And when he decides to allow trials/sickness....REJOICE IN IT! God has his BEST for us, and we have a promise of ETERNITY .......it will be worth it! and we have an AWESOME GOD who will walk beside us in all things!