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ifnot4him
March 5th, 2007, 12:55 PM
Here's an e-mail I received from the Berean Call. It's really sad that this is happening to so many churches. Does anyone have the original story?


First Baptist members say pew to new pastor's changes [Excerpts]

The Rev. David Cox modernized the altar of First Baptist Church of
Daytona Beach with a hardwood stage, twin movie screens and music
equipment worthy of a rock band.

Cox is under fire on everything from his spending habits to his taste in
church music.

"I've tried my best to reach out to every one of you," Cox said at the
beginning of the town hall style meeting that let the congregation vent
its frustrations.

"To the extent I've fallen short, I hope you'll forgive me."

For many, the renovated altar has symbolized excess and misplaced
priorities under Cox's leadership.

Noting the absence of the cross, one church member said Wednesday the
church altar looks more "like a Masonic Lodge than a pulpit."

Church members put the cost of the renovations at somewhere between
$300,000 and $450,000, which many say is impractical due to the timing.

That many longtime church staffers have left since Cox took over is
another source of contention, according to a church handout, which
defended their leaving as voluntary. At the town hall meeting, the
congregation complained about the departure of at least five staffers by
name, including one who was fired only two years from retirement.

The congregation is also questioning the salaries for Cox and other
staffers while many popular programs, such as youth basketball and bus
transportation for the under-privileged, have been eliminated.

At Wednesday's meeting, church members said staff salaries comprise
about 60 percent of the church budget.

Much of the complaints are also cultural. Critics don't like Cox's use
of the popular book "The Purpose Driven Life" by Rick Warren, his
reference to First Baptist as a "campus" instead of a "church," and the
change in music to a more contemporary sound.

(Haug, Daytona Beach News Journal, 1/13/07)

[TBC: This is one more example of consumer driven Christianity.]

carmen
March 5th, 2007, 01:07 PM
What a shame this was published in a secular newspaper :cry

If this is going on, and membership disagrees, they should use the method prescribed in their church constitution and have him removed.

Iblvnjc
March 5th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Sounds like what most churches are looking like these days, so what's new?

ifnot4him
March 5th, 2007, 02:14 PM
Also sounds like people are getting fed up with Rick Warren's purpose driven drivel. I've read stories about how the PDL junk has busted up churches. :mad

ifnot4him
March 5th, 2007, 02:34 PM
The Rev. David Cox modernized the altar of First Baptist Church of
Daytona Beach with a hardwood stage, twin movie screens and music
equipment worthy of a rock band.



This very EXACT same thing happened to a church I know of. It's like it went from being an old fashioned church to a modern, high-tech, concert house for performances complete with slayings in the spirit and trying to get folks to puke up demons in a bucket. It was more like being in a circus than a church. :twitch

jtcornpone
March 5th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I agree with all of your responses.

I'd like to ask, though... How many of you find it objectionable that they use the term "campus" instead of "church"? In a generic sense, two different sites would indeed be campuses... and if they're part of the same church, then this might even be the more accurate term.

How do you weigh in on this particular issue?

ifnot4him
March 5th, 2007, 02:57 PM
I prefer the term "church". :):

Rainbo2
March 5th, 2007, 03:20 PM
I perfer church, campus brings to mind college not place of worship.

My question is did the pastor also renovate the message along with the building? Is he still preaching from the bible or is he now preaching WoF, everyone goes to heaven because sin is gone, gay marriage is A-OK or any of the numerous watered down messages being spoon fed to congregations today?

If only the building and music was renovated it isn't so bad. If he's trying to upgrade the bible that is very bad.

Emily
March 6th, 2007, 12:29 AM
Oh nice, puke up demons? Since when can Christians be possessed by a demon? where is that in the Bible? (rhetorical ;):)

RE: church vs. campus, I guess it depends on why is someone using the word "campus"? To "tone down" the "Jesus" for the masses, make it more seeker friendly, or is it just a more accurate term? Depending on the motive, maybe nothing wrong with using the term campus. Hard to say though, I imagine that if congregants are angered by the term, it's probably being misused.

Iblvnjc
March 6th, 2007, 08:28 AM
How many of you find it objectionable that they use the term "campus" instead of "church"?

I'm glad that you noted that and brought it up. I have a check in my spirit every time that word is used in reference to the church facilities where I attend. It does have a secular feeling and ring about it.

And how about when they call the congregation the audience? Has anyone heard that?

andy
March 6th, 2007, 09:10 AM
I'm glad that you noted that and brought it up. I have a check in my spirit every time that word is used in reference to the church facilities where I attend. It does have a secular feeling and ring about it.

And how about when they call the congregation the audience? Has anyone heard that?


That is the point! The "audience" is the church, not the building or meeting place....the believers, the body of Christ.......they are the church.....not an audience.

In as far as modern equipment, I am all for that as long as the message is grounded in scripture and the true gospel is preached and taught.

:wave

jtcornpone
March 6th, 2007, 11:18 AM
That is the point! The "audience" is the church, not the building or meeting place....the believers, the body of Christ.......they are the church.....not an audience.
Right. The moment a church refers to them as the "audience," you know that they're not on the right track.

In as far as modern equipment, I am all for that as long as the message is grounded in scripture and the true gospel is preached and taught.
I mostly agree. I would add, however, that they should not be used in a manner that focuses on entertainment (especially during worship). People need to remember that church is for worshipping the Lord and learning His word, not for getting one's jollies.