Homosexuality

[waslostnowfound]

We all know that homosexuality is wrong, however, what is it? Is it the act of sex between two of the same gender? Is it the act of love that one would normally have for the opposite sex? Is it both? Is it something else? All I know about it is this verse in the bible, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them" (Lev. 20:13). Now exactly what does this verse mean? To me my first thought is that when members of the same sex have the same kind of love for eachother that one would normally share with the opposite sex. But if you think about it, it could be interpreted as having sex with the same sex. So then that would mean it could be interpreted as both. How exactly do you guide a homosexual or someone that is pro-homosexuality, if you yourself don't even completely know what the sin is?

[Galoutofdixie]

Can you ask your parents about this one? ;): Then again, maybe someone here is braver than me. :D:

[waslostnowfound]

Lol let's just say it would be weirder to ask my parents, and they are a different denomination than me, and I don't believe them to be saved...unfortunately, and currently I'm looking for a church, so I can't really ask my pastor, because I don't really have one yet lol :D: So I'm just left with you guys:):

[Paidfor]

I think what you are asking is it the lust that is the sin or the physical act. The two are connected and I'm not sure it is possible in this instance to separate them.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

I would say that the lust is a result of a carnal sinful mind, and the act is the follow through into full blown sin. If I'm wrong about this I'm sure someone will correct me.

[Galoutofdixie]

Paidfor, I think you explained it just right. :thumb

[Paidfor]

BTW please don't use the word love to describe their feelings. I love many men. What they are feeling is NOT love.:lol

[CaiperLane]

It's a deviation from what God has instilled in us from birth. Something made their desires go askew.

[kjlistrom]

I think what you are asking is it the lust that is the sin or the physical act. The two are connected and I'm not sure it is possible in this instance to separate them.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

I would say that the lust is a result of a carnal sinful mind, and the act is the follow through into full blown sin. If I'm wrong about this I'm sure someone will correct me.
You are right, the only thing that I would add is that it's the last stage of sexual immorality, after homosexuality, comes judgment from God.

[Harley]

from a biblical perspective the sin of homosexuality always implies the homosexual act. i have known those that struggle with homosexual desires but do not act physically on them, nor allow their imaginations to fantasize about the same... similar to (but obviously different from) the heterosexual desires of those who are single.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

BTW please don't use the word love to describe their feelings. I love many men. What they are feeling is NOT love.:lol

Amen. Notice the titles of the big gay festivals. None of them contain the word "love."

Titles that I've heard include:


Gay pride
Southern decadence
Fantasy Fest


All of these festivals/orgies seem to revel in celebrating as many sins as possible, including pride, decadence, drunkenness, fantasy, and who knows what, probably astrology and tarot, too.

[PlentyGroovy]

Everyone is tempted occasionally on something or other. Jesus was tempted by satan in the desert. To be tempted is not a sin. To act on that temptation is.

To be homosexual, not a sin. To be alcoholic, not a sin. To act on it, to drink too much wine, sin.

[CaiperLane]

Amen. Notice the titles of the big gay festivals. None of them contain the word "love."

Titles that I've heard include:


Gay pride
Southern decadence
Fantasy Fest


All of these festivals/orgies seem to revel in celebrating as many sins as possible, including pride, decadence, drunkenness, fantasy, and who knows what, probably astrology and tarot, too.


I agree. I've always thought if the gay community wants to be taken seriously then they should take themselves seriously and give "love" the reverence and respect it deserves. Instead of pushing the shock value of their lifestyle. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[CINDY S.]

It's wrong because God created the woman for the man and because he says it is an abomination.

My SIL died 2 weeks ago. She was a lesbian.

Her lifestyle created such stress for the family, however I felt I should love her and if I got an opportunity to witness to her, I would take it.

We did not let her know how her lifestyle affected us personally, and I think if I knew her better, I would have spoke up, because she was confused why we did not come over more.

She seemed proud of her gayness, with the rainbow flags, bumper stickers, etc.

She was also hurt that we did not come to her, ummm "wedding".

Again, we didn't tell her how we felt.

[boxer77]

Everyone is tempted occasionally on something or other. Jesus was tempted by satan in the desert. To be tempted is not a sin. To act on that temptation is.

To be homosexual, not a sin. To be alcoholic, not a sin. To act on it, to drink too much wine, sin.

Being a homosexual is a sin, thinking about homosexual activities and not fantisizing is not a sin.
Like right now we are thinking about homosexuality cause we are talking about it, its not a sin to talk about it is it?
Sorry I guess I messed my words up again.

[frisian1970]

Being a homosexual is a sin, thinking about homosexual activities and not fantisizing is not a sin.
:twitch :confused :lol What?

[waslostnowfound]

ok ok lol sorry I used love, but that's how some describe it. Like a couple of weeks ago there was thread called "Same Sex Love" I don't know if you saw it. But anyways the point was that a guy was asking about another guy that says it' same sex love and so on... so that's why I used that word.... wrong choice on my part I guess

[waslostnowfound]

Being a homosexual is a sin, thinking about homosexual activities and not fantisizing is not a sin.
Like right now we are thinking about homosexuality cause we are talking about it, its not a sin to talk about it is it?
Sorry I guess I messed my words up again.

But the point of this thread is, what IS being homosexual.

[Paidfor]

ok ok lol sorry I used love, but that's how some describe it. Like a couple of weeks ago there was thread called "Same Sex Love" I don't know if you saw it. But anyways the point was that a guy was asking about another guy that says it' same sex love and so on... so that's why I used that word.... wrong choice on my part I guess

This thread just gives me the willys:yuck

Homosexuality is having sexual desire for someone of the same sex and then acting on those desires. But like anything there is a really wide spectrum in how those desires manifest themselves.

I'm getting the willys again.

[waslostnowfound]

This thread just gives me the willys:yuck

Homosexuality is having sexual desire for someone of the same sex and then acting on those desires. But like anything there is a really wide spectrum in how those desires manifest themselves.

I'm getting the willys again.

Ok so I think that sums up this thread, and now we can close it. Agreed?

[Paidfor]

:lol
It's your thread. Don't close it on my account. I'm just having a little fun.

[fefeh]

I believe it is the physical act, or lusting for the physical act.

Same as adultery.

[waslostnowfound]

Lol I don't know how to close it anyway, but w/e it'll stay open so everyone can put their two sense (or is it cents lol) in, but yes it seems we have came up with a conclusion from Paidfor and fefeh's opinions.

[DonO]

It starts in the mind (heart) and eventually proceeds into the physical act if their isn't a heart change. Jesus said out of the heart proceeds these things and the look of lust is the same as the act.The mind of those who are bound up in bisexuality and homosexuality are in a conflict. They know whats right and wrong. If a homosexual doesn't repent and get born again Paul describes them as coming to a point of searing their mind and it's allmost impossible for them to repent.

[Harley]

If a homosexual doesn't repent and get born again Paul describes them as coming to a point of searing their mind and it's allmost impossible for them to repent.

are you suggesting that repentance will cause homosexual desires or tendancies to cease?

[waslostnowfound]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised. Anything is possible through God, and afterall it is a sin, and God can help us over come any sin, and Jesus already paid for it...so ya.

[Harley]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised. Anything is possible through God, and afterall it is a sin, and God can help us over come any sin, and Jesus already paid for it...so ya.

ok, i'll certainly grant it is possible, but i don't think complete cessation of all homosexual desires/thoughts/etc... is the acid test fro true repentance. that was my point in asking.

[SetApart]

i have a few gay/lesbian friends..and one in particular appears electrocuted if he hears about God, religion, spirtuality, or christianity....he has so much hatred toward christians....

i can't say i understand everything about why someone would be attracted to another of the same sex, but we all know it is a reality, just as other people have mentioned that heterosexuals have similar lusts and passions to confront--albeit not necessarily toward the same gender....

i try to make sure that if i dialogue with them about God, that i put it into the context that my sin ranks right up there with any sin they commit..and that i am in no way superior to them simply because i am heterosexual and they are homosexual....but that God can still dwell in their hearts no matter their lifestyle....and He will forgive them just as much as He has forgiven me for succumbing to temptations He would not be pleased about.

unfortunately, people who have homosexual tendencies feel so rejected by society, christians, and probably God..that they embrace their lifestyle and their community so much because that is the only place they are accepted. i want so much to help my homosexual friends to know that they are accepted by me--regardless of their choices---and maybe, just maybe they will feel God's love through me and be softened to His message about salvation when it comes up....

God..i pray for my friends...use all of us to help reach them in ways You want so they can find you in their lives....You can change lifestyles...we can't..

[waslostnowfound]

God..i pray for my friends...use all of us to help reach them in ways You want so they can find you in their lives....You can change lifestyles...we can't..

:clap good post. Right on the ball there.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

God CAN change people's hearts and desires--it happened to me.

I was a lesbian for 15 years. Wasn't very happy the whole time. Towards the end of that time, I remember lying in bed one night, crying and thinking, "Maybe I should just find a good man, get married and settle down." It wasn't even a prayer--just a strong thought.

Within 2 months, the Lord changed my heart. It happened very quickly, within a few days. I was no longer looking at other women at all, except as friends, and I was looking at men with new eyes.

There were no relapses, praise God! My heart was truly changed and it has stayed that way, with no temptation, no back-sliding. The change occurred in 1994.

It CAN happen! God can do all things, even change hearts permanently!
And I thank him so very much for changing mine.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

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[SetApart]

God CAN change people's hearts and desires--it happened to me.

I was a lesbian for 15 years. Wasn't very happy the whole time. Towards the end of that time, I remember lying in bed one night, crying and thinking, "Maybe I should just find a good man, get married and settle down." It wasn't even a prayer--just a strong thought.

Within 2 months, the Lord changed my heart. It happened very quickly, within a few days. I was no longer looking at other women at all, except as friends, and I was looking at men with new eyes.

There were no relapses, praise God! My heart was truly changed and it has stayed that way, with no temptation, no back-sliding. The change occurred in 1994. (I'm still far from perfect, and there has been backsliding in other areas of my life, like porn and drinking...but not in homosexuality.)

It CAN happen! God can do all things, even change hearts permanently!
And I thank him so very much for changing mine.

thank you for sharing!! you have so much courage!!! so glad i read this....what a powerful testimony~~praying for continued strength for you ~~

[WhiteH2OWoman]

I'm happy if my experience serves to help others.
Anyone who reads my post is welcome to mention my experience to others.

[Harley]

God CAN change people's hearts and desires--it happened to me.

I was a lesbian for 15 years. Wasn't very happy the whole time. Towards the end of that time, I remember lying in bed one night, crying and thinking, "Maybe I should just find a good man, get married and settle down." It wasn't even a prayer--just a strong thought.

Within 2 months, the Lord changed my heart. It happened very quickly, within a few days. I was no longer looking at other women at all, except as friends, and I was looking at men with new eyes.

There were no relapses, praise God! My heart was truly changed and it has stayed that way, with no temptation, no back-sliding. The change occurred in 1994.

It CAN happen! God can do all things, even change hearts permanently!
And I thank him so very much for changing mine.

no doubt, though i don't think anyone said he couldn't...

[DonO]

are you suggesting that repentance will cause homosexual desires or tendancies to cease?

Nope I am saying that repentance is the first step. A drunkard can be saved but he may still have struggles with alcohol. A whoremonger may be saved but the desires are still there. Salvation can instantly deliver a person from their sin but most of the time a spiritual battel is beginning between the old man(nature) and the new man(Holy Spirits indwelling power).

[boxer77]

Sanctification, we are going to grow in faith, if one is truely born again.
Even if someone has tendencies to a particular sin, we are told to think on things that are pure, and homosexual thoughts are not. Resist the devil and he MUST flee.

[humbleone]

Being a homosexual is a sin, thinking about homosexual activities and not fantisizing is not a sin.
Like right now we are thinking about homosexuality cause we are talking about it, its not a sin to talk about it is it?
Sorry I guess I messed my words up again.


It is NOT a sin to find oneself in the homosexual condition. Or to find oneself in the alcoholic condition. Free will or choice is NOT involved in the actual condition. Now, ACTING on the desires, feelings, etc. IS sin, because a choice to act is involved.

Period.

I think that above quote is backwards.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

Hey everybody, we're being watched on this thread by fstdt.com!
I just got some kind of award for my first post on this thread. I'll bet they won't post my subsequent posts, since they show that homosexuals can change.

HI EVERYONE! :wave

Please, for your own sake, repent and accept Jesus' gift of his life for your sins before it's too late! None of us are good enough to get to heaven since we've all sinned--me, too. We need salvation, and Jesus offers it for FREE!

[roadrunner570]

I think where the "love" issue comes in is from secular society. I'm male, and I love other men, but not sexually. However, we live in a society that has sexualized love so much, love doesn't even really mean love anymore it seems.

This doesn't just go for homosexuality, but for straight people too. How many people do we know who have left their spouse because they "fell in love" with someone else, but all that love was the excitement of a new sexual affair. Once the newness and excitement of that was over, they weren't "in love" with that person any more eihter.

[boxer77]

It is NOT a sin to find oneself in the homosexual condition. Or to find oneself in the alcoholic condition. Free will or choice is NOT involved in the actual condition. Now, ACTING on the desires, feelings, etc. IS sin, because a choice to act is involved.

Period.

I think that above quote is backwards.

See I would have to disagree with that, people are in sin and dont know it, that dosent make it not sin.

[fefeh]

So, if you want to steal something but don't, you are committing a sin?

I don't think so.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

So, if you want to steal something but don't, you are committing a sin?


But wouldn't that wanting to steal fall under "Thou shalt not covet?"

[fefeh]

But wouldn't that wanting to steal fall under "Thou shalt not covet?"

I'm not talking about dwelling on it, just having the thought cross your mind.

Dwelling on it (coveting) would be wrong.

[WhiteH2OWoman]

Just to clarify: while I am no longer tempted by the sin of homosexual behavior, I am still tempted by other sins, such as drunkenness and cursing and general sloth.

So I can understand that other ex-homosexuals might have a different experience, and might still be tempted.

[boxer77]

So, if you want to steal something but don't, you are committing a sin?

I don't think so.

I agree with you.
I must have read the post the wrong way or somthing.

[boxer77]

Just to clarify: while I am no longer tempted by the sin of homosexual behavior, I am still tempted by other sins, such as drunkenness and cursing and general sloth.

So I can understand that other ex-homosexuals might have a different experience, and might still be tempted.

I agree satan knows you had a weakness, so he will poke and prod a little at the time.
If one isnt wearing the whole armor of God he can get a foothold.
Sin is sin, whatever sin has a greater hold on one person and a diffrent on another, the enemy can still use it, weather it be homosexuality, or drunkeness.
You name it.
I dont not think people sin when they are tempted. But if they are sinning, and dont relize they are that is still sin, they are just blinded by sin and dont see it.

[humbleone]

See I would have to disagree with that, people are in sin and dont know it, that dosent make it not sin.


Boxer, u were replying to my post that finding oneself in the homosexual condition, is not sin (per me). You seemed to disagree. Is this what you intended to suggest? I am just asking, for clarification purposes.

I don't see how finding oneself, with no choice in the matter of their own, in a condition of homosexuality (i.e. finding themselves attracted to members of the same sex. I am NOT referring to repeated dwellings on those thoughts, or in engaging in pornography or any other such associated known sinful behavior) is a sin. Is it a sin to be left-handed? If left-handed actions were deemed sinful by God, then acting on them would be sinful, in my opinion. But a person has no choice, no true free will involved, in how they develop their "handed-ness".... know what I mean?

Same with the alcoholic condition. Also some seem to be prone to violence, violent tempers, etc. No excuse for acting on such desires, but the person did not ask for or do anything of their own free will to cause them. In other words, finding oneself in such and such condition is NOT an excuse for the behavior. But in itself, cannot be seen as sinful. Again, my opinion.