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busterdog
July 25th, 2006, 05:36 PM
After the fall, why is it that Adam and Eve never seem to "get it." The immediate reaction to their own fall is absurd: to make clothes from leaves and to try to hide from God. No doubt the promise of death was on their minds.

But, could it be possible that they had no opportunity to hear the Gospel, which seems to have been in evidence from the beginning:

Rev 13:8 (KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:8 (Amplified Bible)
8And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, everyone whose name has not been recorded in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain [in sacrifice] [a]from the foundation of the world.

That is, why is nothing of salvation explicitly spoken in accounts of the garden?

Granted, there are symbols of salvation in the skins prepared as a covering for Adam and Eve. The removal and guarding of the Tree of Life is of course a matter of salvation, since the Tree of LIfe is salvation.

Of course, as Glenda tells Dorothy, she could always go home, but she needed to find out for herself. To me that answer is too easy, or at best a partial answer.

Was this basis for salvation presented to them? Were they saved, yet still cursed with death, childbirth and briars?


Psa 116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I would appreciate a few idea.

ed braski
July 26th, 2006, 07:21 AM
Of course they made peace with God. The skins show that God covered them up as He covers our sins with the blood of Christ. He saw thier nakedness no more. It also proves in the very beginning that ONLY GOD can cover our sins - not religion. (forgiveness of sin)At this point sin entered the entire world and everything in it. It is like a drop of dye in a cup of water. The whole cup is infected.

21 - Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22- And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

It was the beginnings of the plan of salvation from God, They knew they were naked and God asked them "who told you"? They now knew good and evil.

Although they were now sinners, they still lived to a ripe old age because of one act of disobedience. As people were born down the chain they started to live alot less longer because of the sin build up.

sixfingers
July 26th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I think the promise of salvation is tied to this....


Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."


The "seed" as it were, was referring to Christ, or Saviour.

Notice eves response to her first born.

Gen 4:1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

Could this have been that she was thinking this could be who would crush the head of Satan? I have always thought that might be what eve was thinking at the time.


Also, I think its important to remember, that the curse God handed down to man, was really part of Grace. Think about it! God already knew the future and that Christ would die for mans sins before man ever sinned. The curse God placed on man is woven into His unfathomable Grace, because this curse reveals our need for Christ, and allowed God to show the depths of His love towards us. I doubt Adam and Eve realized this as Grace at the time, but they didn't really understand their complete need to rely on God before they sinned, nor the greatness of His love, that He Himself would be willing to Die in their behalf.

busterdog
July 26th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Of course they made peace with God. The skins show that God covered them up as He covers our sins with the blood of Christ. He saw thier nakedness no more. It also proves in the very beginning that ONLY GOD can cover our sins - not religion. (forgiveness of sin)At this point sin entered the entire world and everything in it. It is like a drop of dye in a cup of water. The whole cup is infected..

I think the promise of salvation is tied to this....


Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."


The "seed" as it were, was referring to Christ, or Saviour.

Notice eves response to her first born.

Gen 4:1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

Could this have been that she was thinking this could be who would crush the head of Satan? I have always thought that might be what eve was thinking at the time.


Also, I think its important to remember, that the curse God handed down to man, was really part of Grace. Think about it! God already knew the future and that Christ would die for mans sins before man ever sinned. The curse God placed on man is woven into His unfathomable Grace, because this curse reveals our need for Christ, and allowed God to show the depths of His love towards us. I doubt Adam and Eve realized this as Grace at the time, but they didn't really understand their complete need to rely on God before they sinned, nor the greatness of His love, that He Himself would be willing to Die

in their behalf.

Both prophetic glimpses of redemption, in the clothing of man and in the crushing of Satan, follow from Adam's blindness in the Genesis.

One of the odd things about this story that you point out is that Adam appears to be oblivious to God's ultimate grace and the possibilities for redemption in this moment. We will never really know I suppose what the answer to the question is, but I question whether Adam might have called upon the Lord right then and there and been saved from being cast out.

You will recall Abraham confonted something of the same thing as Adam: a death sentence. Paul tells us however that Abraham believed God could raise Isaace from the dead then and there. Adam, hides. But, Abraham says, "behold me."

The whole blood sacrifice thing also may have been God again working redemption into a fallen human pattern. I have always questioned how this pattern was established and whether the lord of this world might have thought he made an iron clad basis for the eternal captivity of man and that blood sacrifice was one basis for receiving favor in that system.

Isn't it odd that God seems to need to find a way back into Adam's life by making these clothes -- ie, doing thing's man's way, and yet at the same time, putting His redemptive plan into motion in this fallen reality.


Was God not willing to embrace Adam in this moment and be fully present in all of His goodness and mercy? Why the clothes rather than a vision of the sacrifice of Jesus and his resurrection? Had Adam not been hiding, perhaps this is what he might have seen. Seems like Adam's "knowledge of good" was rather limited at this time and that this was the reason why all of God's mercy and goodness were not in evidence in Genesis 3.

Even in Genesis 4, God says to Caine, "Sin is crouching at the door and you must master it." Too me, there is too much man and not enough God in this equation. I imagine that the context for that statement was that, "This is because you are such a bloody fool and you won't let Me have your life, fill you with the Spirit and save you by My strength."

While it is true that the historical crucifixion was 4500 years away, could Adam have not plead the blood in this moment and realized the goodness that you speak of?

In some ways this argument in part has to do with dispensational ideas. Was it necessary that Adam be removed from the garden as a "dispensation", or was that just a response to man's continuing endeavor to work these things out for himself.

Although some of this speculation might seem pointless since we know what happened for the next 6500 years, I really have in mind to understand the theologies that we have constructed and rely upon. I will not say that God is not in them. After all, He was in the whole clothing thing and made something redemptive out of it, despite the fact that it began in man's folly.

I think we have given God little choice at times, since we are working in the dominion of this world that He gave us to be ours. We construct a system of thought and ask God to bless it. The incarnation suggests that God finds a way to do that and yet have His way.

Too look at it another way, the Mosaic law was a rather strict set of requirements for man. God surely gave them and they were appropriate and just. But, Jesus comes along and fulfills the law. Thus, you and I no longer sacrifice bulls. Yet, the same Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth, was there in the garden. He was the fulfillment of every possible path by which man walks that difficult road back to God. He was crowned with the very thorns that were the emblem of the hardship of Adam's future bread-winning.

What new laws do we impose upon ourselves while the one how fulfills all requirements is available to us?

But, how much nearer to God can we be, if we will drop the shelter of what we have constructed and simply let Him be nearer to us?

sixfingers
July 26th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Was God not willing to embrace Adam in this moment and be fully present in all of His goodness and mercy? Why the clothes rather than a vision of the sacrifice of Jesus and his resurrection?


Well, the cloth's were made of skin, requiring shedding of blood from whence the skins came. So whether or not Adam realized this at the time, God covered all bases. No forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood, (further seen later on when Abel's acceptable sacrifice was a blood offering/lamb - so this concept was understood in some way), and God's mercy was evident by the fact that He Himself provided that covering of skin for Adam and Eve. ;):

buzzardhut
July 26th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Well, the cloth's were made of skin, requiring shedding of blood from whence the skins came. So whether or not Adam realized this at the time, God covered all bases. No forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood, (further seen later on when Abel's acceptable sacrifice was a blood offering/lamb - so this concept was understood in some way), and God's mercy was evident by the fact that He Himself provided that covering of skin for Adam and Eve. ;):
Yep, and they could have told God "No thanks, we reject your shedding of Blood covering and we will use our own home made merits of fig leaves instead" like all the unsaved people say today.

ed braski
July 28th, 2006, 11:17 AM
Both prophetic glimpses of redemption, in the clothing of man and in the crushing of Satan, follow from Adam's blindness in the Genesis.

One of the odd things about this story that you point out is that Adam appears to be oblivious to God's ultimate grace and the possibilities for redemption in this moment. We will never really know I suppose what the answer to the question is, but I question whether Adam might have called upon the Lord right then and there and been saved from being cast out.

You will recall Abraham confonted something of the same thing as Adam: a death sentence. Paul tells us however that Abraham believed God could raise Isaace from the dead then and there. Adam, hides. But, Abraham says, "behold me."

The whole blood sacrifice thing also may have been God again working redemption into a fallen human pattern. I have always questioned how this pattern was established and whether the lord of this world might have thought he made an iron clad basis for the eternal captivity of man and that blood sacrifice was one basis for receiving favor in that system.

Isn't it odd that God seems to need to find a way back into Adam's life by making these clothes -- ie, doing thing's man's way, and yet at the same time, putting His redemptive plan into motion in this fallen reality.


Was God not willing to embrace Adam in this moment and be fully present in all of His goodness and mercy? Why the clothes rather than a vision of the sacrifice of Jesus and his resurrection? Had Adam not been hiding, perhaps this is what he might have seen. Seems like Adam's "knowledge of good" was rather limited at this time and that this was the reason why all of God's mercy and goodness were not in evidence in Genesis 3.

Even in Genesis 4, God says to Caine, "Sin is crouching at the door and you must master it." Too me, there is too much man and not enough God in this equation. I imagine that the context for that statement was that, "This is because you are such a bloody fool and you won't let Me have your life, fill you with the Spirit and save you by My strength."

While it is true that the historical crucifixion was 4500 years away, could Adam have not plead the blood in this moment and realized the goodness that you speak of?

In some ways this argument in part has to do with dispensational ideas. Was it necessary that Adam be removed from the garden as a "dispensation", or was that just a response to man's continuing endeavor to work these things out for himself.

Although some of this speculation might seem pointless since we know what happened for the next 6500 years, I really have in mind to understand the theologies that we have constructed and rely upon. I will not say that God is not in them. After all, He was in the whole clothing thing and made something redemptive out of it, despite the fact that it began in man's folly.

I think we have given God little choice at times, since we are working in the dominion of this world that He gave us to be ours. We construct a system of thought and ask God to bless it. The incarnation suggests that God finds a way to do that and yet have His way.

Too look at it another way, the Mosaic law was a rather strict set of requirements for man. God surely gave them and they were appropriate and just. But, Jesus comes along and fulfills the law. Thus, you and I no longer sacrifice bulls. Yet, the same Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth, was there in the garden. He was the fulfillment of every possible path by which man walks that difficult road back to God. He was crowned with the very thorns that were the emblem of the hardship of Adam's future bread-winning.

What new laws do we impose upon ourselves while the one how fulfills all requirements is available to us?

But, how much nearer to God can we be, if we will drop the shelter of what we have constructed and simply let Him be nearer to us?

The short of it is that Adam knew he sinned and cried out to God for forgiveness. God provided for Adam at that momet as He does for all His children who come to Him by saving faith throught Jesus Christ our Lord.

busterdog
July 28th, 2006, 01:38 PM
The short of it is that Adam knew he sinned and cried out to God for forgiveness. God provided for Adam at that momet as He does for all His children who come to Him by saving faith throught Jesus Christ our Lord.

One would think that Adam did so. Clearly, it did not seem to be his first instinct or action. But, it would stand to reason that he did so at some point prior to being cast out and cut off from the tree of life.

But, how do we know that he did so? Might that omission be part of our problem as a race?

ed braski
July 28th, 2006, 10:52 PM
One would think that Adam did so. Clearly, it did not seem to be his first instinct or action. But, it would stand to reason that he did so at some point prior to being cast out and cut off from the tree of life.

But, how do we know that he did so? Might that omission be part of our problem as a race?

I take it you mean the middle east conflict of today? Of course. The everlasting promises of God are in scripture everywhere.

Did you ever wonder when Adam and Eve where being lead out of the garden the pain he felt knowing what he just gave up. It matches in simulartude the heavenly King of Kings Jesus gave up as He left heaven to come down to the earth to die on a cross in a mans body. He went back in a glorified body but not to what He had when He left.

Just a thought . . .

buzzardhut
July 29th, 2006, 01:09 AM
If the sacrificial animal covering fits then wear it.

frisian1970
July 29th, 2006, 01:49 AM
:hrm

I think the second Adam analogy perhaps has gone too far.

ed braski
July 29th, 2006, 08:51 AM
:hrm

I think the second Adam analogy perhaps has gone too far.

Why Ike what do you mean?

buzzardhut
July 29th, 2006, 12:50 PM
:hrm

I think the second Adam analogy perhaps has gone too far.
Good Bible teaching is irritating eh?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/adam.asp

First Adam and Last Adam (Jesus) Compared

1. A Miraculous Beginning

The Bible tells us that the first man, Adam, was created by God, in His image and likeness, directly from the dust of the ground. God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul (Genesis 1:26–27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26-27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Adam was not the product of some form of theistic evolution.1 (http://rr-bb.com/#r1) God did not make him in the image or likeness of an ape, nor from a ‘lower hominid’ by any lengthy or even abrupt mutational processes.2 (http://rr-bb.com/#r2) Rather God created Adam as an immediate act, by His word (i.e. by commanding or willing this to happen), at some time on the sixth day of Creation week.3 (http://rr-bb.com/#r3)

While Adam was made in the image of God, Christ is ‘the image of the invisible God’ (Colossians 1:15 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The Bible tells us that the last Adam, Jesus Christ, was the One through whom God created all things (John 1:1–3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Colossians 1:15–20 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15-20&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 1:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B1:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Thus Jesus was pre-existent with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit before Adam lived (John 8:58 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B8:58&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Micah 5:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MICAH%2B5:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).4 (http://rr-bb.com/#r4) Nevertheless, in His humanity, He too had a miraculous beginning when He was incarnated as a human being—conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:20–23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B1:20-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 1:26–35 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B1:26-35&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

2. Perfection, Innocence, and Holiness

Adam was created a perfect man, in full possession of all human faculties, and with a God-consciousness which enabled him to have spiritual communion with God. Initially innocent, sinless, and holy, he was in a right relationship to God, to woman, to himself, and to the natural world around him.

The last Adam, Jesus, was also perfectly man, one with God (John 10:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B10:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 17:21-22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B17:21-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), innocent, sinless, and holy (Hebrews 7:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Many people mistakenly refer to Jesus Christ as the ‘second Adam’, a term not found in the Bible. However, Scripture refers to Christ as the ‘second man’ (1 Corinthians 15:47 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:47&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

There have been many men since Adam, but Jesus Christ was only the second man to ever be completely without sin.
Unlike the first Adam, the Lord Jesus was, in addition, divine, having the attributes, offices, prerogatives, and names of deity. Being fully God, He is worthy of worship (e.g. Revelation 5:11–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B5:11-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

3. Humanity’s Head

Adam was the head of the human race. Jesus Christ is the head of redeemed humanity (see, for example, Ephesians 5:23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Since Christ died once for all time (Hebrews 7:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 9:28 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B9:28&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 10:10–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B10:10-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), there will never be the need for any further ‘Adam.’ Hence He is the last Adam.

4. Two Givers of Life

The first Adam gave life to all his descendants. The last Adam, Jesus Christ, communicates ‘life’ and ‘light’ to all men, and gives eternal life to those who receive Him and believe on His name, giving them ‘power to become the sons of God’ (John 1:1–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

5. Two Rulers

Adam, representing mankind, was given dominion over the created world (Genesis 1:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). After being raised from the dead, Jesus Christ was elevated to God’s right hand, and given dominion over all things, which were ‘put under his feet.’ (1 Corinthians 15:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 1:20–22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B1:20-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The first Adam was lord over a limited domain, the last Adam is Lord of all (Acts 10:36 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B10:36&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

6. A Deep Sleep Produced a Beautiful Bride

Genesis 2:21-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:21-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on) tells us that God put Adam into a deep sleep, during which time God made Adam’s bride, Eve, from Adam’s side—a wound in Adam’s side produced a bride! Note that once again theistic evolution is excluded. The text says that God made them male and female at the beginning (Genesis 1:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Matthew 19:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B19:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

If Adam and Eve had been sub-human before God breathed life into them, they would already have been male and female, without the need for God to have made them so at this stage.

After the last Adam, Jesus, died upon the cross—suffering the sleep of death for everyone—His side was pierced by a spear thrust (John 19:34 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B19:34&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). In His death he paid the penalty for mankind’s sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:1-4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Those who repent and put their faith in Him are united with Christ in a relationship which the Bible likens to that of a bride towards her husband (2 Corinthians 11:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=2COR%2B11:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 5:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 19:6–8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B19:6-8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Thus a wound in the last Adam’s side also produced a bride—the true Church!—‘a glorious bride, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing … holy and without blemish’ (Ephesians 5:27).

7. Momentous Testing

At the beginning of Adam’s life he underwent a period of testing as to whether or not he would obey God.5 (http://rr-bb.com/#r5) ‘And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die’ (Genesis 2:16–17).
At the beginning of the last Adam’s ministry, Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted (or tested—Greek: peirazò) by the devil (Matthew 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).6 (http://rr-bb.com/#r6)

8. A Great Failure and Great Victory

The first Adam failed the test, and in doing so involved all humanity in his defeat, dragging the human race down with him.7 (http://rr-bb.com/#r7) As a result, in Adam we all stand condemned, spiritually bankrupt, enslaved to sin, and expelled from Paradise (Romans 5:12 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:12-16&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The last Adam, Jesus, was victorious over sin, the flesh, and the devil. As a result, in Christ, believers stand justified and redeemed, spiritually wealthy, liberated from sin, and included in the Paradise of God (Romans 5:18 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:18-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Corinthians 15:21 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:21-25&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

9. Disobedience vs Obedience

The first Adam disobeyed God. The last Adam was ‘obedient unto death, even the death of the cross’ (Philippians 2:8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=PHIL%2B2:8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

10. Judgment and Death

The first Adam experienced the judgment of God—he ultimately died and his body turned to dust. Because of his sin, death came upon all men, ‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God’ (Romans 3:23).
The last Adam, Jesus Christ, also died—on the cross—to atone for sin (Isaiah 53:5 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ISA%2B53:5&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Peter 3:18 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1PET%2B3:18&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 2:9 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:9&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). But He did not stay dead, nor did His body ‘see corruption’ (Acts 2:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B2:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 13:35–37 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B13:35-37&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). On the third day He rose again, thereby overcoming the devil and the power of death for all those who believe in Him (Hebrews 2:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), and bringing resurrection from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:22-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:22-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

11. A Curse and a Restoration

Creation was originally ‘very good’ (Genesis 1:31 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:31&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), so the ‘last enemy’, death (1 Corinthians 15:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)) was absent. Even the animals were originally all given plants to eat (Genesis 1:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The actions of the first Adam brought a reign of death and bloodshed upon a once-perfect world, which ever since has been groaning in pain (Romans 8:22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B8:22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).8 (http://rr-bb.com/#r8) Precisely because of the blood shed in death by the last Adam, this curse of death and bloodshed will be removed, and creation restored to a sinless, deathless state (Revelation 21:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 21:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 22:3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B22:3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

We are all connected with the first Adam (the natural and legal head of the human race) as depraved and guilty sinners, and so are included in the sentence of death which God pronounced on him. However, all who are connected with the last Adam, Jesus, through repentance and faith in His redeeming work, are forgiven, have ‘received the free gift of righteousness’, and so ‘have passed from death to life’ (Colossians 1:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Romans 5:17 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:17&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 John 3:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1JOHN%2B3:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Paidfor
July 29th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Good Bible teaching is irritating eh?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/adam.asp

First Adam and Last Adam (Jesus) Compared

1. A Miraculous Beginning

The Bible tells us that the first man, Adam, was created by God, in His image and likeness, directly from the dust of the ground. God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul (Genesis 1:26–27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26-27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Adam was not the product of some form of theistic evolution.1 (http://rr-bb.com/#r1) God did not make him in the image or likeness of an ape, nor from a ‘lower hominid’ by any lengthy or even abrupt mutational processes.2 (http://rr-bb.com/#r2) Rather God created Adam as an immediate act, by His word (i.e. by commanding or willing this to happen), at some time on the sixth day of Creation week.3 (http://rr-bb.com/#r3)

While Adam was made in the image of God, Christ is ‘the image of the invisible God’ (Colossians 1:15 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The Bible tells us that the last Adam, Jesus Christ, was the One through whom God created all things (John 1:1–3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Colossians 1:15–20 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15-20&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 1:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B1:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Thus Jesus was pre-existent with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit before Adam lived (John 8:58 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B8:58&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Micah 5:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MICAH%2B5:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).4 (http://rr-bb.com/#r4) Nevertheless, in His humanity, He too had a miraculous beginning when He was incarnated as a human being—conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:20–23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B1:20-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 1:26–35 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B1:26-35&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

2. Perfection, Innocence, and Holiness

Adam was created a perfect man, in full possession of all human faculties, and with a God-consciousness which enabled him to have spiritual communion with God. Initially innocent, sinless, and holy, he was in a right relationship to God, to woman, to himself, and to the natural world around him.

The last Adam, Jesus, was also perfectly man, one with God (John 10:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B10:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 17:21-22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B17:21-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), innocent, sinless, and holy (Hebrews 7:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Many people mistakenly refer to Jesus Christ as the ‘second Adam’, a term not found in the Bible. However, Scripture refers to Christ as the ‘second man’ (1 Corinthians 15:47 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:47&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

There have been many men since Adam, but Jesus Christ was only the second man to ever be completely without sin.
Unlike the first Adam, the Lord Jesus was, in addition, divine, having the attributes, offices, prerogatives, and names of deity. Being fully God, He is worthy of worship (e.g. Revelation 5:11–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B5:11-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

3. Humanity’s Head

Adam was the head of the human race. Jesus Christ is the head of redeemed humanity (see, for example, Ephesians 5:23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Since Christ died once for all time (Hebrews 7:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 9:28 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B9:28&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 10:10–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B10:10-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), there will never be the need for any further ‘Adam.’ Hence He is the last Adam.

4. Two Givers of Life

The first Adam gave life to all his descendants. The last Adam, Jesus Christ, communicates ‘life’ and ‘light’ to all men, and gives eternal life to those who receive Him and believe on His name, giving them ‘power to become the sons of God’ (John 1:1–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

5. Two Rulers

Adam, representing mankind, was given dominion over the created world (Genesis 1:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). After being raised from the dead, Jesus Christ was elevated to God’s right hand, and given dominion over all things, which were ‘put under his feet.’ (1 Corinthians 15:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 1:20–22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B1:20-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The first Adam was lord over a limited domain, the last Adam is Lord of all (Acts 10:36 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B10:36&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

6. A Deep Sleep Produced a Beautiful Bride

Genesis 2:21-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:21-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on) tells us that God put Adam into a deep sleep, during which time God made Adam’s bride, Eve, from Adam’s side—a wound in Adam’s side produced a bride! Note that once again theistic evolution is excluded. The text says that God made them male and female at the beginning (Genesis 1:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Matthew 19:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B19:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

If Adam and Eve had been sub-human before God breathed life into them, they would already have been male and female, without the need for God to have made them so at this stage.

After the last Adam, Jesus, died upon the cross—suffering the sleep of death for everyone—His side was pierced by a spear thrust (John 19:34 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B19:34&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). In His death he paid the penalty for mankind’s sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:1-4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Those who repent and put their faith in Him are united with Christ in a relationship which the Bible likens to that of a bride towards her husband (2 Corinthians 11:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=2COR%2B11:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 5:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 19:6–8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B19:6-8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Thus a wound in the last Adam’s side also produced a bride—the true Church!—‘a glorious bride, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing … holy and without blemish’ (Ephesians 5:27).

7. Momentous Testing

At the beginning of Adam’s life he underwent a period of testing as to whether or not he would obey God.5 (http://rr-bb.com/#r5) ‘And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die’ (Genesis 2:16–17).
At the beginning of the last Adam’s ministry, Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted (or tested—Greek: peirazò) by the devil (Matthew 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).6 (http://rr-bb.com/#r6)

8. A Great Failure and Great Victory

The first Adam failed the test, and in doing so involved all humanity in his defeat, dragging the human race down with him.7 (http://rr-bb.com/#r7) As a result, in Adam we all stand condemned, spiritually bankrupt, enslaved to sin, and expelled from Paradise (Romans 5:12 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:12-16&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The last Adam, Jesus, was victorious over sin, the flesh, and the devil. As a result, in Christ, believers stand justified and redeemed, spiritually wealthy, liberated from sin, and included in the Paradise of God (Romans 5:18 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:18-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Corinthians 15:21 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:21-25&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

9. Disobedience vs Obedience

The first Adam disobeyed God. The last Adam was ‘obedient unto death, even the death of the cross’ (Philippians 2:8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=PHIL%2B2:8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

10. Judgment and Death

The first Adam experienced the judgment of God—he ultimately died and his body turned to dust. Because of his sin, death came upon all men, ‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God’ (Romans 3:23).
The last Adam, Jesus Christ, also died—on the cross—to atone for sin (Isaiah 53:5 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ISA%2B53:5&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Peter 3:18 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1PET%2B3:18&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 2:9 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:9&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). But He did not stay dead, nor did His body ‘see corruption’ (Acts 2:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B2:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 13:35–37 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B13:35-37&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). On the third day He rose again, thereby overcoming the devil and the power of death for all those who believe in Him (Hebrews 2:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), and bringing resurrection from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:22-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:22-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

11. A Curse and a Restoration

Creation was originally ‘very good’ (Genesis 1:31 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:31&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), so the ‘last enemy’, death (1 Corinthians 15:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)) was absent. Even the animals were originally all given plants to eat (Genesis 1:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The actions of the first Adam brought a reign of death and bloodshed upon a once-perfect world, which ever since has been groaning in pain (Romans 8:22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B8:22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).8 (http://rr-bb.com/#r8) Precisely because of the blood shed in death by the last Adam, this curse of death and bloodshed will be removed, and creation restored to a sinless, deathless state (Revelation 21:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 21:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 22:3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B22:3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

We are all connected with the first Adam (the natural and legal head of the human race) as depraved and guilty sinners, and so are included in the sentence of death which God pronounced on him. However, all who are connected with the last Adam, Jesus, through repentance and faith in His redeeming work, are forgiven, have ‘received the free gift of righteousness’, and so ‘have passed from death to life’ (Colossians 1:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Romans 5:17 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:17&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 John 3:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1JOHN%2B3:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

AMEN!

frisian1970
July 30th, 2006, 03:12 PM
Why Ike what do you mean?What I mean is that scripture doesn't use the word identical.

frisian1970
July 30th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Good Bible teaching is irritating eh?No.

ed braski
August 2nd, 2006, 07:34 AM
What I mean is that scripture doesn't use the word identical.

Did I use that word?

busterdog
August 2nd, 2006, 01:22 PM
:hrm

I think the second Adam analogy perhaps has gone too far.

Please explain. Not exactly sure what you mean.

For a while I thought this second Adam thing was most a medeival affectation that indeed carried the point too far.

However, I think it underlies part of the point I was trying to make, and that point has to do with bondage and deception. That is, to what extent do humans really know what the heck is going on? In a sense we are urged not to strain too hard at understanding demonic influence (ie, no divination). Paul explains that we shall see face to face one day, but not now. Though for now, the authority of the enemy on this planet means lots of deception for us.

The second Adam analogy points up the dominion given to Adam prior to the fall. When Adam made the wrong guy "lord of this world" on the basis of that authority, he also created the need for a Second Adam to establish a rightful kingship.

We are told to take every thought captive for Christ. I argue that this is more than piety and moralism. Fundamentally we are in the dark about much of what is real. I think our ability to appreciate cause and effect itself is extraordinarily limited. Thus, the need for the One who does know, with crystal clarity, the difference between good and evil, blessing and calamity.


Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Buzz used 1 Corinthians 15:47, but we also have the following:

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

busterdog
August 2nd, 2006, 01:49 PM
I take it you mean the middle east conflict of today? Of course. The everlasting promises of God are in scripture everywhere.

Did you ever wonder when Adam and Eve where being lead out of the garden the pain he felt knowing what he just gave up. It matches in simulartude the heavenly King of Kings Jesus gave up as He left heaven to come down to the earth to die on a cross in a mans body. He went back in a glorified body but not to what He had when He left.

Just a thought . . .

In the middle east, we have a fairly clueless Israel whom God will yet redeem. We have a mess predicted that will follow from the ignorance of Israel, yet God will not only clean it up, but the political order that man made will be supernaturally perfected. In Judges, kingship was a human idea that God questioned, but then bless with the line of David after Israel insisted that it wanted a king "like the other nations."

The pattern is the same.

You can also look at theologies this way. We all have the ability to question someone else's theology and there is not perfect human system of theology. God is simply merciful in being willing to be in the theology game, despite our mistakes. And some day He will perfect them as well. The Kingdom of Heaven, of course, is like meal with leaven (not kosher) or the mustard tree, which is full of birds (that steal the seed).

One thing that Adam walked away from was a chance to KISS ("Keep It Simple Stupid"). As wonderful as his fashion sense, strategies or theologies may have been, redemption itself was standing with Him, if he would only see Him. The tree of life was guarded by a flaming sword, which is a type of the Word -- a Word that Adam knew personally as the apparently incarnate God.

What strikes me about this passage is not just that Adam would be so consumed with thoughts of what he had lost, as you suggest, but that his restoration was within his embrace, if he would but see. And for the next 4,000 years or so, we have the slow unfolding of a very simple point the Jesus is King, if we will have Him and that he died before the foundations of the world for our salvation.

In a related point, note the oddities of the scriptural use of the past tense in places like Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

As we anticipate the rapture, it is a return to that embrace, which would have changed everything for Adam. And it will be turning away from so much that we know or think we know.

busterdog
August 2nd, 2006, 01:50 PM
Good Bible teaching is irritating eh?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/adam.asp

First Adam and Last Adam (Jesus) Compared

1. A Miraculous Beginning

The Bible tells us that the first man, Adam, was created by God, in His image and likeness, directly from the dust of the ground. God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul (Genesis 1:26–27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26-27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Adam was not the product of some form of theistic evolution.1 (http://rr-bb.com/#r1) God did not make him in the image or likeness of an ape, nor from a ‘lower hominid’ by any lengthy or even abrupt mutational processes.2 (http://rr-bb.com/#r2) Rather God created Adam as an immediate act, by His word (i.e. by commanding or willing this to happen), at some time on the sixth day of Creation week.3 (http://rr-bb.com/#r3)

While Adam was made in the image of God, Christ is ‘the image of the invisible God’ (Colossians 1:15 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The Bible tells us that the last Adam, Jesus Christ, was the One through whom God created all things (John 1:1–3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Colossians 1:15–20 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:15-20&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 1:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B1:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

Thus Jesus was pre-existent with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit before Adam lived (John 8:58 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B8:58&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Micah 5:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MICAH%2B5:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).4 (http://rr-bb.com/#r4) Nevertheless, in His humanity, He too had a miraculous beginning when He was incarnated as a human being—conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:20–23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B1:20-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 1:26–35 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B1:26-35&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

2. Perfection, Innocence, and Holiness

Adam was created a perfect man, in full possession of all human faculties, and with a God-consciousness which enabled him to have spiritual communion with God. Initially innocent, sinless, and holy, he was in a right relationship to God, to woman, to himself, and to the natural world around him.

The last Adam, Jesus, was also perfectly man, one with God (John 10:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B10:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 17:21-22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B17:21-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), innocent, sinless, and holy (Hebrews 7:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Many people mistakenly refer to Jesus Christ as the ‘second Adam’, a term not found in the Bible. However, Scripture refers to Christ as the ‘second man’ (1 Corinthians 15:47 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:47&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

There have been many men since Adam, but Jesus Christ was only the second man to ever be completely without sin.
Unlike the first Adam, the Lord Jesus was, in addition, divine, having the attributes, offices, prerogatives, and names of deity. Being fully God, He is worthy of worship (e.g. Revelation 5:11–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B5:11-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

3. Humanity’s Head

Adam was the head of the human race. Jesus Christ is the head of redeemed humanity (see, for example, Ephesians 5:23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Since Christ died once for all time (Hebrews 7:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B7:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 9:28 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B9:28&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 10:10–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B10:10-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), there will never be the need for any further ‘Adam.’ Hence He is the last Adam.

4. Two Givers of Life

The first Adam gave life to all his descendants. The last Adam, Jesus Christ, communicates ‘life’ and ‘light’ to all men, and gives eternal life to those who receive Him and believe on His name, giving them ‘power to become the sons of God’ (John 1:1–14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B1:1-14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

5. Two Rulers

Adam, representing mankind, was given dominion over the created world (Genesis 1:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). After being raised from the dead, Jesus Christ was elevated to God’s right hand, and given dominion over all things, which were ‘put under his feet.’ (1 Corinthians 15:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 1:20–22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B1:20-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The first Adam was lord over a limited domain, the last Adam is Lord of all (Acts 10:36 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B10:36&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

6. A Deep Sleep Produced a Beautiful Bride

Genesis 2:21-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:21-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on) tells us that God put Adam into a deep sleep, during which time God made Adam’s bride, Eve, from Adam’s side—a wound in Adam’s side produced a bride! Note that once again theistic evolution is excluded. The text says that God made them male and female at the beginning (Genesis 1:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Matthew 19:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B19:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

If Adam and Eve had been sub-human before God breathed life into them, they would already have been male and female, without the need for God to have made them so at this stage.

After the last Adam, Jesus, died upon the cross—suffering the sleep of death for everyone—His side was pierced by a spear thrust (John 19:34 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B19:34&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). In His death he paid the penalty for mankind’s sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:1-4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Those who repent and put their faith in Him are united with Christ in a relationship which the Bible likens to that of a bride towards her husband (2 Corinthians 11:2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=2COR%2B11:2&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Ephesians 5:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EPH%2B5:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 19:6–8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B19:6-8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). Thus a wound in the last Adam’s side also produced a bride—the true Church!—‘a glorious bride, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing … holy and without blemish’ (Ephesians 5:27).

7. Momentous Testing

At the beginning of Adam’s life he underwent a period of testing as to whether or not he would obey God.5 (http://rr-bb.com/#r5) ‘And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die’ (Genesis 2:16–17).
At the beginning of the last Adam’s ministry, Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted (or tested—Greek: peirazò) by the devil (Matthew 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=MATT%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Luke 4:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=LUKE%2B4:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).6 (http://rr-bb.com/#r6)

8. A Great Failure and Great Victory

The first Adam failed the test, and in doing so involved all humanity in his defeat, dragging the human race down with him.7 (http://rr-bb.com/#r7) As a result, in Adam we all stand condemned, spiritually bankrupt, enslaved to sin, and expelled from Paradise (Romans 5:12 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:12-16&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

The last Adam, Jesus, was victorious over sin, the flesh, and the devil. As a result, in Christ, believers stand justified and redeemed, spiritually wealthy, liberated from sin, and included in the Paradise of God (Romans 5:18 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:18-22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Corinthians 15:21 ff. (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:21-25&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Revelation 2:7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B2:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

9. Disobedience vs Obedience

The first Adam disobeyed God. The last Adam was ‘obedient unto death, even the death of the cross’ (Philippians 2:8 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=PHIL%2B2:8&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

10. Judgment and Death

The first Adam experienced the judgment of God—he ultimately died and his body turned to dust. Because of his sin, death came upon all men, ‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God’ (Romans 3:23).
The last Adam, Jesus Christ, also died—on the cross—to atone for sin (Isaiah 53:5 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ISA%2B53:5&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 Peter 3:18 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1PET%2B3:18&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Hebrews 2:9 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:9&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). But He did not stay dead, nor did His body ‘see corruption’ (Acts 2:27 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B2:27&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 13:35–37 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ACTS%2B13:35-37&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). On the third day He rose again, thereby overcoming the devil and the power of death for all those who believe in Him (Hebrews 2:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=HEB%2B2:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), and bringing resurrection from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:22-23 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:22-23&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

11. A Curse and a Restoration

Creation was originally ‘very good’ (Genesis 1:31 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:31&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)), so the ‘last enemy’, death (1 Corinthians 15:26 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1COR%2B15:26&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)) was absent. Even the animals were originally all given plants to eat (Genesis 1:30 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=GEN%2B1:30&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)). The actions of the first Adam brought a reign of death and bloodshed upon a once-perfect world, which ever since has been groaning in pain (Romans 8:22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B8:22&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).8 (http://rr-bb.com/#r8) Precisely because of the blood shed in death by the last Adam, this curse of death and bloodshed will be removed, and creation restored to a sinless, deathless state (Revelation 21:1 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 21:4 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B21:4&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 22:3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=REV%2B22:3&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).

We are all connected with the first Adam (the natural and legal head of the human race) as depraved and guilty sinners, and so are included in the sentence of death which God pronounced on him. However, all who are connected with the last Adam, Jesus, through repentance and faith in His redeeming work, are forgiven, have ‘received the free gift of righteousness’, and so ‘have passed from death to life’ (Colossians 1:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=COL%2B1:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); Romans 5:17 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=ROM%2B5:17&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on); 1 John 3:14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=1JOHN%2B3:14&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on)).


That was a good read.

frisian1970
August 2nd, 2006, 06:38 PM
Did I use that word?No.

frisian1970
August 2nd, 2006, 06:39 PM
Busterdog I will respond to your question when more time allots.

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