Gentlemen; may I apologize on behalf of women

[Laura-bell]

I realize that not all women feel this way. But more and more are expressing this same thing when I mention it to them. It's like they are affraid to admit it.
Gentlemen, I would like to apologize for ever wanting to be the head of my household. I would like to apologize for not appreciating what you do for us. For example, all the times that you have laid your life and health on the line to protect us. For all the hours of hard labor you put in to providing for us. For all the times I've doubted the existance of your brains. For not appreciating the physical strength that you put into use lifting us up when we have needed someone to carry us or our children from burning buildings. For not appreciating the black eye you got defending the virtue of your sister, friend, mother, cousin, etc. For not appreciating the years you gave up of your lives due to stress, making sure your family is well cared for and the bills are all paid.
I want to apologize for trying to do everything a man can do. But most of all I want to apologize for not letting you be a man.:(:
But I want to thank you for all of these things and I want to thank you for your blood, sweat and tears. And most of all I want to thank you that you continue to love us and have loved us enough to give us equal rights.:):

With love and gratitude,
a lonely, tired, single mother, who knows the responsibilty of being head of household. Even if it means finding out what that scary noise was in the middle of the night.

[Hootmon]

Um... Wow...

[Laura-bell]

I don't know, maybe I should have posted this in with the guys. But, I thought I should give oppurtunity for the woman to share as well.

[wsbsteven]

They can share as long at it isn't tagged 'Men only'

[bghtnpd4]

Oh Laura-Bell, you sound so worn-out. I can't imagine doing everything on my own. My thoughts and prayers are with you girl, and I too appreciate very much all of the men I have had in my life (husband, brothers, father, friends).

[stormtrooper]

I realize that not all women feel this way. But more and more are expressing this same thing when I mention it to them. It's like they are affraid to admit it.
Gentlemen, I would like to apologize for ever wanting to be the head of my household. I would like to apologize for not appreciating what you do for us. For example, all the times that you have laid your life and health on the line to protect us. For all the hours of hard labor you put in to providing for us. For all the times I've doubted the existance of your brains. For not appreciating the physical strength that you put into use lifting us up when we have needed someone to carry us or our children from burning buildings. For not appreciating the black eye you got defending the virtue of your sister, friend, mother, cousin, etc. For not appreciating the years you gave up of your lives due to stress, making sure your family is well cared for and the bills are all paid.
I want to apologize for trying to do everything a man can do. But most of all I want to apologize for not letting you be a man.:(:
But I want to thank you for all of these things and I want to thank you for your blood, sweat and tears. And most of all I want to thank you that you continue to love us and have loved us enough to give us equal rights.:):

With love and gratitude,
a lonely, tired, single mother, who knows the responsibilty of being head of household. Even if it means finding out what that scary noise was in the middle of the night.

Not to make light of your post, but I do think all the stuff you mentioned is a fair trade off for us guys.

We don't have to go through childbirth. :freaked

[faline]

As a single woman who has had to cut the grass (3/4 of an acre, usually by hand since the riding mower usually doesn't work!), take care of family members with needs, work two hours from home, do all the carpentry, home repairs, heavy lifting, put myself through school while working nine hour days and having a four hour daily commute, trim the bushes, clean the house, et al...I love it! :0D I've never been married, never wanted to be, and really enjoy my life. I think it's great that in marriage there is a partnership, and I'm glad that God gave men and women distinct roles (each one does his or her part according to scriptural mandate), but I have to admit that having been "both parts" in my life...I've had fun with it and it's not impossible for a woman to do it. OF COURSE...I haven't had to raise kids at the same time!!!!! THAT is another kettle of fish!!!! Hats off to both husbands and wives here, however, who work together in tandem as the Lord dictates, as partners.

I don't think apologies are at all necessary...appreciation to both men and women for the roles they play are, however. I'm sure men are appreciative of the things women do, too.

[busterdog]

Not to make light of your post, but I do think all the stuff you mentioned is a fair trade off for us guys.

We don't have to go through childbirth. :freaked

Yeah. Or wear stockings, or high heels or wait an hour to get into the loo at a public event.

THank Laura-bell, and my wife thanks you, since the first things I think of when I read those words are:

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.

[ub4war]

Though created separately, one from dust while the other from out of the first, one to lead while the other to follow, the Bible recognizes that the union of marriage reunited the two as if they were one. As the Trinity is composed of three Members who are equal in power and substance, marriage is composed of two members equal in ability and thought. No Member of the Trinity is superior to the other, but all follow the lead of the Father. The man is not superior to the woman, but she was expected to follow the lead of her man. Though Eve had a name, God "called their name Adam", by this naming recognized that their union was as special as that of His own

That "Adam" fully understood God's Plan of marriage at this moment is obvious. Though they were the first humans of creation, "Adam" understood the sexual aspect of marriage, and even understood the concepts of ‘mother’ and ‘father’. I don't believe that this knowledge was experiential, or learned, because there were no children present (nor mothers and fathers for that matter). This knowledge came to "Adam" by Divine Revelation. "Adam" understood (at this point, anyway) the following concepts:
"..this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh.." I am to cherish this woman as much as I cherish my own body, because she is created out of my body.
"..she shall be called woman.." I am to be the initiator in this relationship, while Eve is to be the responder. I am to lead this holy union, while she will follow and support my leadership.
"..Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother.." The unity that I have with this woman shall supersede all others I might make in this life. Though my mother and father bore me, I bore her, and nothing must come between this holy union. She is my family now.
"..shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.." She shall be the only one that I sexually unite with. We will have a monogamous relationship that God not only planned, but honors.

But Adam forgot his place------------------Satan didn’t cause the Fall of man. He may have helped it along a little, he may have tempted both "Adam" and "Eve", but he certainly didn't cause it. What caused the Fall was a breakdown in the first marriage. Each member of that marriage forgot what their roles were supposed to be. "Eve", rather than responding to "Adam", responded to the serpent. When the devil in serpent's form approached "Eve", at the very least she should have ignored his advances and turned to her husband for guidance. Instead she responded to the tempter's question by "adding to God's original decree" concerning the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God never said that "Adam" couldn't touch the tree, just that he wasn't to eat of the tree. Of course he could touch the tree, remember that he had God's command to cultivate and tend to the garden. How can you possibly do that if you can't touch the tree? In responding to the Father of lies (rather than "Adam") "Eve" added a lie to the original command.

Genesis 3.6-7 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

And "Adam", standing next to his wife all the time, gave up his leadership role and allowed his wife to become the initiator while he, the responder. She took the fruit, and "Adam" didn't stop her. She ate the fruit, again "Adam" did nothing. She gave the fruit to "Adam", and rather than reject it because of God's command he responded by eating it. Did you notice that, until "Adam" actually ate of the fruit, that in that instance the eyes of them both were opened as they fell from Grace? "Adam" was responsible for tending the Garden and keeping God's commandment, not "Eve". "Adam" was the contract head of creation and the marriage. That mouthful of food he ate condemned the whole human race to sin. As soon as their eyes were opened in sin, both "Adam" and "Eve" responded to their fallen situation not by repenting before their Creator, but by trying to cover up their error with human good.

This comedy of error gets worse. When God comes to the Garden to commune with the human family He created and loves, rather than repenting both "Adam" and "Eve" respond to this situation by passing blame:
Genesis 3.11-12 "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

"Adam" subtly placed blame on both the Creator and the woman for his failure. Rather than admit that he failed as leader, he said "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree". In other words, "God, you gave her to me. She tricked me, and she made me do it. But I wouldn't be in this spot if you hadn't have given her to me!" "Adam" in responding to the situation rather than to a loving Father, condemned the wife he so gratefully received just a short time before. "Adam" should have recognized that his Father loved him, and responded to the Creator in repentance rather than to the situation in fear. God's love created "Adam", and I'm sure could have forgiven him as well.


"Both man and woman were, are, and will ever be equally important to the Godhead, yet man was designed the leader in the marriage union."

from faithmoutian.com---Pastor Russ Picket--edited to fit in here

[ub4war]

by the way i just thought this might help---it kinda reminds both sexes to
behave the way God wants

[DownUnder]

With love and gratitude,
a lonely, tired, single mother, who knows the responsibilty of being head of household. Even if it means finding out what that scary noise was in the middle of the night.
Don't put youself down. I have recently become accutely aware of the need for mothers. I have been married for 28 years and lost my wife to a tragic car accident.
Now I am convinced that no one else can take on the role of a mother, with housework, instructing and loving the children, being a doctor, teacher, counsellor, protector, cook, etc. I cannot even begin to understand what you mothers must go through (although I am learning)
Please accept an apology from myself and others for taking mothers for granted.

[kjlistrom]

If us men could only love our wives as much as Adam loved Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived, fell into transgression.

Adam knew what Eve had done, as it says he was not deceived. He chose to eat also so that she would not be alone, separated from God, by herself for ever.
Thats what Christ did for us, on the Cross, so we wouldn't be alone, separated from God for ever.

Had I known that love when I was married to my precious wife, maybe we would still be together, but I only know it now and after she left me saying I didn't love her. sad

To you guys that read these threads, love your wives as the first Adam loved Eve and as the last Adam loves His Church.

[AnotherOldGuy]

Adam knew what Eve had done, as it says he was not deceived. He chose to eat also so that she would not be alone, separated from God, by herself for ever.
Ummmm - no.

(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

He ate it because he chose to. Then he tried to blame Eve (she gave me) and even tried to put it on God (then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me").

Nice sentiment, but it doesn't match reality.

[Amazedgrace56]

Ummmm - no.

(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

He ate it because he chose to. Then he tried to blame Eve (she gave me) and even tried to put it on God (then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me").

Nice sentiment, but it doesn't match reality.

Well I can certainly agree with this sentiment..it seems to be a reoccuring theme when it comes to what each respective gender resorts to as an excuse for much!

Women blame the devil, then demonize the men and men blame the women and God for women..:lol

[kjlistrom]

Ummmm - no.

(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "(Gen 3:12) Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

He ate it because he chose to. Then he tried to blame Eve (she gave me) and even tried to put it on God (then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me").

Nice sentiment, but it doesn't match reality.
I think that Paul had it right, when he said to Timothy that Adam was not deceived, not only was he not decieved but as you pointed out in Gen 3:12 he didn't lie to God either, as he said "she gave me of the tree, and I ate." so not only did he love Eve but he loved God, not to lie to Him
Thanks for pointing that out to us.

[PrayinPeach]

Interesting debate, but I don't think this was what Laura-bell had in mind...

[Laura-bell]

Yeah. Or wear stockings, or high heels or wait an hour to get into the loo at a public event.

THank Laura-bell, and my wife thanks you, since the first things I think of when I read those words are:

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.


Amen, and there are so few men like that available today. Which is why I'm still single.:wave

[Laura-bell]

Though created separately, one from dust while the other from out of the first, one to lead while the other to follow, the Bible recognizes that the union of marriage reunited the two as if they were one. As the Trinity is composed of three Members who are equal in power and substance, marriage is composed of two members equal in ability and thought. No Member of the Trinity is superior to the other, but all follow the lead of the Father. The man is not superior to the woman, but she was expected to follow the lead of her man. Though Eve had a name, God "called their name Adam", by this naming recognized that their union was as special as that of His own

That "Adam" fully understood God's Plan of marriage at this moment is obvious. Though they were the first humans of creation, "Adam" understood the sexual aspect of marriage, and even understood the concepts of ‘mother’ and ‘father’. I don't believe that this knowledge was experiential, or learned, because there were no children present (nor mothers and fathers for that matter). This knowledge came to "Adam" by Divine Revelation. "Adam" understood (at this point, anyway) the following concepts:
"..this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh.." I am to cherish this woman as much as I cherish my own body, because she is created out of my body.
"..she shall be called woman.." I am to be the initiator in this relationship, while Eve is to be the responder. I am to lead this holy union, while she will follow and support my leadership.
"..Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother.." The unity that I have with this woman shall supersede all others I might make in this life. Though my mother and father bore me, I bore her, and nothing must come between this holy union. She is my family now.
"..shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.." She shall be the only one that I sexually unite with. We will have a monogamous relationship that God not only planned, but honors.

But Adam forgot his place------------------Satan didn’t cause the Fall of man. He may have helped it along a little, he may have tempted both "Adam" and "Eve", but he certainly didn't cause it. What caused the Fall was a breakdown in the first marriage. Each member of that marriage forgot what their roles were supposed to be. "Eve", rather than responding to "Adam", responded to the serpent. When the devil in serpent's form approached "Eve", at the very least she should have ignored his advances and turned to her husband for guidance. Instead she responded to the tempter's question by "adding to God's original decree" concerning the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God never said that "Adam" couldn't touch the tree, just that he wasn't to eat of the tree. Of course he could touch the tree, remember that he had God's command to cultivate and tend to the garden. How can you possibly do that if you can't touch the tree? In responding to the Father of lies (rather than "Adam") "Eve" added a lie to the original command.

Genesis 3.6-7 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

And "Adam", standing next to his wife all the time, gave up his leadership role and allowed his wife to become the initiator while he, the responder. She took the fruit, and "Adam" didn't stop her. She ate the fruit, again "Adam" did nothing. She gave the fruit to "Adam", and rather than reject it because of God's command he responded by eating it. Did you notice that, until "Adam" actually ate of the fruit, that in that instance the eyes of them both were opened as they fell from Grace? "Adam" was responsible for tending the Garden and keeping God's commandment, not "Eve". "Adam" was the contract head of creation and the marriage. That mouthful of food he ate condemned the whole human race to sin. As soon as their eyes were opened in sin, both "Adam" and "Eve" responded to their fallen situation not by repenting before their Creator, but by trying to cover up their error with human good.

This comedy of error gets worse. When God comes to the Garden to commune with the human family He created and loves, rather than repenting both "Adam" and "Eve" respond to this situation by passing blame:
Genesis 3.11-12 "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

"Adam" subtly placed blame on both the Creator and the woman for his failure. Rather than admit that he failed as leader, he said "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree". In other words, "God, you gave her to me. She tricked me, and she made me do it. But I wouldn't be in this spot if you hadn't have given her to me!" "Adam" in responding to the situation rather than to a loving Father, condemned the wife he so gratefully received just a short time before. "Adam" should have recognized that his Father loved him, and responded to the Creator in repentance rather than to the situation in fear. God's love created "Adam", and I'm sure could have forgiven him as well.


"Both man and woman were, are, and will ever be equally important to the Godhead, yet man was designed the leader in the marriage union."

from faithmoutian.com---Pastor Russ Picket--edited to fit in here


AMEN.:):

[Laura-bell]

Don't put youself down. I have recently become accutely aware of the need for mothers. I have been married for 28 years and lost my wife to a tragic car accident.
Now I am convinced that no one else can take on the role of a mother, with housework, instructing and loving the children, being a doctor, teacher, counsellor, protector, cook, etc. I cannot even begin to understand what you mothers must go through (although I am learning)
Please accept an apology from myself and others for taking mothers for granted.

Thank you.:): And I'm sorry.:cry

[Laura-bell]

Oh Laura-Bell, you sound so worn-out. I can't imagine doing everything on my own. My thoughts and prayers are with you girl, and I too appreciate very much all of the men I have had in my life (husband, brothers, father, friends).


Thanks, I need some prayers. What has me so worn out, is I always have to be brave, and I always have to be strong (emotionally). I always have to have the answers, I ...... anyway, I just want to feel feminine again. I don't even feel like I have the ability to be "vulnerable" anymore.:(:

[Writesinme]

Don't put youself down. I have recently become accutely aware of the need for mothers. I have been married for 28 years and lost my wife to a tragic car accident.
Now I am convinced that no one else can take on the role of a mother, with housework, instructing and loving the children, being a doctor, teacher, counsellor, protector, cook, etc. I cannot even begin to understand what you mothers must go through (although I am learning)
Please accept an apology from myself and others for taking mothers for granted.

I'm so sorry for your loss. May God grant you the peace that goes beyond all understanding. (Philippians 4:7)

[4everHis]

Interesting debate, but I don't think this was what Laura-bell had in mind...

Ah but we can take ANY subject and make it a debate !! It's automatic when you sign up on RR !!

But if you're still single Laura??? Why the debate?

[Laura-bell]

Ah but we can take ANY subject and make it a debate !! It's automatic when you sign up on RR !!

But if you're still single Laura??? Why the debate?


What debate? I'm single, no debate there.:):

[DownUnder]

Thank you.:): And I'm sorry.:cry

I'm so sorry for your loss. May God grant you the peace that goes beyond all understanding. (Philippians 4:7)

Thank you both so very much :):

[MamawSandy]

I know what she is talking about (I think.) I have a husband who has a very ugly way of talking. I often doubt his salvation. However, I chose to marry him.
Lately, the Lord has enlightened me about following him. If I think his way is wrong, I Will discuss it with him. If it turns out to be the true way, I follow it.
I have often been very angry and wanted to move out. Sometimes I can hardly take the harsh treatment. But this was my choice.
If his way is clearly wrong, I follow the Lord's leading. He is not often wrong though. Like, right now, I want to buy a new computer. He says no, not now. I would like to kick and scream like a child. But I know I spend too much and have bills to pay. So I listed to his reasoning. He keeps me out of more trouble than I can mention.
God did truly make the man the head of the household for good reason. And yew, there are evil men. But, if you can see the Lord's leading in what he is telling, then I say follow him.
Sandy

[boxer77]

Yeah. Or wear stockings, or high heels or wait an hour to get into the loo at a public event.

THank Laura-bell, and my wife thanks you, since the first things I think of when I read those words are:

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.

Im not sure i saw a guy the other day walking down the stret wearing Stockings high heels, and a dress with a little scarf around his kneck....:tape :wacko
IM still single to Laura,Im almost 30 and...... wow, ok time to start looking for a wife lol hehe:clap :nod :heh

[Laura-bell]

Im not sure i saw a guy the other day walking down the stret wearing Stockings high heels, and a dress with a little scarf around his kneck....:tape :wacko
IM still single to Laura,Im almost 30 and...... wow, ok time to start looking for a wife lol hehe:clap :nod :heh


Yah, you don't want to be almost 40 and try to start a family...thank God I already have 1 child. Hopefully whoever my husband ends up being, he won't want any children. I wouldn't want to start this late in life.

[boxer77]

Yah, you don't want to be almost 40 and try to start a family...thank God I already have 1 child. Hopefully whoever my husband ends up being, he won't want any children. I wouldn't want to start this late in life.
Ya I need to find a wife that doesnt want kids either, since I cant have kids anymore..... Medical issue:(: But hey there is always a reason things happen.
There is always adoption tho....

[Laura-bell]

Ya I need to find a wife that doesnt want kids either, since I cant have kids anymore..... Medical issue:(: But hey there is always a reason things happen.
There is always adoption tho....


I'm sorry.:(: But as you said, God has His reasons and there's always adoption.:):

[boxer77]

I'm sorry.:(: But as you said, God has His reasons and there's always adoption.:):
:nod :thumb

[BHiles]

Women have been decieved and have no idea how much power in reality they actually wield.

The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. -WW Ross

[eaglex]

I behalf of the men on this forum at least. We accept your apology and we ask for your forgiveness were we men have failed you. Like not being the men we are suppose to be in Christ. Like the Head of the family, or bringing up children to revere Christ or supporting our wives or girlfriends when they needed us most. When Jesus comes for us everything will be straigthen out. Until then we must remember to do evverything humanly possible in JESUS 'S NAME!:):

[Laura-bell]

I behalf of the men on this forum at least. We accept your apology and we ask for your forgiveness were we men have failed you. Like not being the men we are suppose to be in Christ. Like the Head of the family, or bringing up children to revere Christ or supporting our wives or girlfriends when they needed us most. When Jesus comes for us everything will be straigthen out. Until then we must remember to do evverything humanly possible in JESUS 'S NAME!:):

Amen! And apology accepted.:wave

[faline]

Im not sure i saw a guy the other day walking down the stret wearing Stockings high heels, and a dress with a little scarf around his kneck....:tape :wacko
IM still single to Laura,Im almost 30 and...... wow, ok time to start looking for a wife lol hehe:clap :nod :heh

I'm a lifelong single and I'm 50. It's fun! :D:

[faline]

Yah, you don't want to be almost 40 and try to start a family...thank God I already have 1 child. Hopefully whoever my husband ends up being, he won't want any children. I wouldn't want to start this late in life.

My dad, God love him, was fifty when he married my mom, who was 24. They had three kids, and my mom already had a son from a previous marriage. My dad wasn't really sure what hit him!!!! :D:

[Laura-bell]

My dad, God love him, was fifty when he married my mom, who was 24. They had three kids, and my mom already had a son from a previous marriage. My dad wasn't really sure what hit him!!!! :D:


Well, I have this much to look forward to, a promise from God. :clap He literally promised me a husband. Granted that was a few years ago and I'm not even dating anyone, but I'm still believing. Though sometimes I feel a little like Abraham and Sarah, I start thinking that maybe I need to help this thing along. But glory to God, I have their experience to learn from and I try very hard not to throw myself in the path of this really attractive man at work!!!:becky