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buzzardhut
May 5th, 2006, 01:29 PM
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http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1255.asp

Millions of Catholics travel to shrines to pray before her image. But what is not commonly known is that Muslims also hold her in high regard, and even among Hindus and Buddhists there is worship of goddesses that bear a striking resemblance to the Catholic Mary.

What is unknown to many Christians is that devotion to Mary is not just a Catholic
phenomenon. Muslims hold her in high regard, and she even appears in one form or
another in many eastern religions. Pope Pius IX predicted Mary would one day unite
all religions of the world under the papacy.

Authors Jim Tetlow, Roger Oakland and Brad Meyers reveal how
the Virgin Mary is becoming Queen of all religions. They expose the spirit behind
these appearances, and show where it is all going. Once you have this book, you will
better understand what is happening, and see the Bible's stunning rebuke of this
usurper who is turning attention away from Jesus.

Table of Contents
Chapter 1 - Queen of all
Chapter 2 - Queen of Rome
Chapter 3 - Queen of Islam
Chapter 4 - Queen of the East
Chapter 5 - Testing the Messages
Chapter 6 - Biblical Exposé of the Queen of Heaven
Chapter 7 - Queen of Revelation
Chapter 8 - Lady of Kingdomes
Chapter 9 - Wicked Woman
Chapter 10 - Come Out of Her, My People!

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This book shows that Mary is not only Queen of Rome, but will be the unifying factor to bring all the great religions of the world into unity under Rome. She will be "Queen of All."

stormtrooper
May 5th, 2006, 01:36 PM
Interesting. Have you read it Buzz?

buzzardhut
May 5th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Interesting. Have you read it Buzz? I am busy reading Dave Hunt's - Judgment Day
and Footsteps of the Messiah

I have read Tetlow before and like his writings.
He is also the "Messages From Heaven" guy
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/buzzardhut/messages.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971756104/qid=1146851500/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-5713984-0326248?s=books&v=glance&n=283155)

But there is no order form for this book yet :confused

SpeedRacer
May 5th, 2006, 01:44 PM
My sister was once "Queen of the Mall" :D: :lol

buzzardhut
May 5th, 2006, 01:58 PM
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stormtrooper
May 5th, 2006, 02:13 PM
I am busy reading Dave Hunt's - Judgment Day

Looking at getting that one as soon as I'm done with his "A Woman Rides The Beast". Great book btw.

buzzardhut
May 5th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Looking at getting that one as soon as I'm done with his "A Woman Rides The Beast". Great book btw. get it for sure.
Dave doesn't hold back the pepper spray on anyone in "Judgment Day".
It's a thousand times better than Hagee's "Jerusalem Countdown".
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Persuaded
May 6th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Buzzardhut,

My mother-in-law has asked me to research marian appariations (believing this will change my way of thinking), I'd appreciate a good recommendation for website or book. (Wondering if Queen of All would suffice.)

BTW, I've also tried to find the Queen of All and A Woman Rides a Beast at my local (Western Slope, Storm Trooper;):) library - but they don't have them (along with any of the other books you've mentioned in this link). They'll carry books on anything pagan, but ask for a Christian book and they look at me like I'm crazy...

buzzardhut
May 6th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Buzzardhut,

My mother-in-law has asked me to research marian appariations (believing this will change my way of thinking), I'd appreciate a good recommendation for website or book. (Wondering if Queen of All would suffice.)

BTW, I've also tried to find the Queen of All and A Woman Rides a Beast at my local (Western Slope, Storm Trooper;):) library - but they don't have them (along with any of the other books you've mentioned in this link). They'll carry books on anything pagan, but ask for a Christian book and they look at me like I'm crazy...
Queen Of All can be ordered here:
http://www.chick.com/store/products.asp?Language=English&type=Books&sort=English

I just ordered one. :clap

You can get those other books used at amazon.com
They are worth the minor investment

Some previous threads discuss your topic:
http://rr-bb.com/search.php?searchid=228079

Here is more online info
http://www.buzzardhut.net/Sharing (http://www.buzzardhut.net/Sharing/)

http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/

TrojansFan
May 7th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Oh boy, look out, here comes the great "Mary" deception. :doh :wacko :rolleyes I think the Bible specifically calls the Lord the "Son of God" for a reason. :nod

buzzardhut
May 8th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Another order form for Queen of All
http://understandthetimes.org/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=UTTS&Product_Code=QRQIQA&Category_Code=B

Numerous healings and miracles have been reported at apparition sites around the globe. In addition, the apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary has repeatedly announced that her most significant signs and wonders are yet future! She admits that she has not yet revealed her full glory to the world. She predicts heavenly signs and wonders that the whole world will soon witness. Consider the following messages received by three separate visionaries:


My sign is emerging. God wills it thus. Only my children recognize it, as it reveals itself in secrecy, and they praise the Eternal One for it. Today I cannot reveal my power to the whole world. I must withdraw with my children. In secrecy I will perform miracles on the souls until the number of sacrifices has become full. …Then I can reveal myself to the whole world…[2]

Soon, I will come, my children! Soon, I will be in your midst with a great light. I will enlighten the entire world. Many souls will cry because they did not listen to my call. …I will pass above everyone in a cloud and everyone will see me. What will become of those who insulted me and made a laughing stock of me? …I will come soon, my sons, to travel through the entire world. I will give a great sign in the sky for those who will still want to be saved. All those who have recourse to me, who have a look of repentance, this will be sufficient to save them.[3]
I wish to also tell you that before my apparitions end completely, I shall be seen by every denomination and religion throughout this world. I will be seen among all people, not for just a moment, but everyone will have a chance to see me. As I appeared in Zeitoun, I shall appear again so everyone may see me. Pray and help my plans to be realized, not just here, but throughout the world.[4]

TrojansFan
May 8th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Numerous healings and miracles have been reported at apparition sites around the globe. In addition, the apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary has repeatedly announced that her most significant signs and wonders are yet future!

Of course, there are lots of books to sell. :rolleyes

She admits that she has not yet revealed her full glory to the world. She predicts heavenly signs and wonders that the whole world will soon witness. Consider the following messages received by three separate visionaries:

Oh goodness. I bet this will be good. :doh

Soon, I will come, my children! Soon, I will be in your midst with a great light. I will enlighten the entire world. Many souls will cry because they did not listen to my call. …I will pass above everyone in a cloud and everyone will see me.

Sounds like satan trying to counterfeit the Rapture. :nod

I wish to also tell you that before my apparitions end completely, I shall be seen by every denomination and religion throughout this world. I will be seen among all people, not for just a moment, but everyone will have a chance to see me. As I appeared in Zeitoun, I shall appear again so everyone may see me. Pray and help my plans to be realized, not just here, but throughout the world.

:freaked Sounds like quite a deception. :nod

thornrose
May 9th, 2006, 08:58 AM
Mary was a chosen vessel of God. It's people that have given her this star status and worship. I'm not Catholic, but this is satan's deceit and man's gullibility (sp) right? And isn't the Muslim's acknowledgement of her being the only woman in the Koran, they recognize the virgin Birth of Jesus? I'm just asking.

Would this mary worship be this referenced in the following scriptures?

# Isaiah 47:5
" Sit silently, and go into darkness,O daughter of the Chaldeans,For you will no longer be calledThe queen of kingdoms.
Isaiah 47:4-6 (in Context) Isaiah 47 (Whole Chapter)
# Isaiah 47:7
"Yet you said, 'I will be a queen forever 'These things you did not considerNor remember the outcome of them.
Isaiah 47:6-8 (in Context) Isaiah 47 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 7:18
"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me.
Jeremiah 7:17-19 (in Context) Jeremiah 7 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 13:18
Say to the king and the queen mother," Take a lowly seat,For your beautiful crownHas come down from your head."
Jeremiah 13:17-19 (in Context) Jeremiah 13 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 29:2
(This was after King Jeconiah and the queen mother, the court officials, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, the craftsmen and the smiths had departed from Jerusalem.)
Jeremiah 29:1-3 (in Context) Jeremiah 29 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 44:17
"But rather we will certainly carry out every word that has proceeded from our mouths, by burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, just as we ourselves, our forefathers, our kings and our princes did in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; for then we had plenty of food and were well off and saw no misfortune.
Jeremiah 44:16-18 (in Context) Jeremiah 44 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 44:18
"But since we stopped burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have met our end by the sword and by famine."
Jeremiah 44:17-19 (in Context) Jeremiah 44 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 44:19
"And," said the women, "when we were burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and were pouring out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands that we made for her sacrificial cakes in her image and poured out drink offerings to her?"
Jeremiah 44:18-20 (in Context) Jeremiah 44 (Whole Chapter)
# Jeremiah 44:25
thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, as follows: 'As for you and your wives, you have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, "We will certainly perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her " Go ahead and confirm your vows, and certainly perform your vows!'
Jeremiah 44:24-26 (in Context) Jeremiah 44 (Whole Chapter)

(references from Bible Gateway)

buzzardhut
May 9th, 2006, 09:09 AM
Mary was a chosen vessel of God. It's people that have given her this star status and worship. I'm not Catholic, but this is satan's deceit and man's gullibility (sp) right? And isn't the Muslim's acknowledgement of her being the only woman in the Koran, they recognize the virgin Birth of Jesus? I'm just asking.

Would this mary worship be this referenced in the following scriptures?

These references are not mary worship persay but the worship of a 'holy queen mother' that has developed into the modern mary worship that we have today.
thanks for the scripture references. :thumb

thornrose
May 9th, 2006, 09:12 AM
By the way, is that your website? Very interesting!

buzzardhut
May 9th, 2006, 09:26 AM
By the way, is that your website? Very interesting! Which one?
Turtle Poo? :lol

Go here:
http://www.buzzardhut.net/index

thornrose
May 9th, 2006, 10:21 AM
I went to the right one. :laugh I didn't go to turtlepoo.

buzzardhut
May 25th, 2006, 07:47 PM
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"In these difficult days, when our global problems seem
insurmountable, a growing number are turning to the Queen of All
as perhaps the world's best advocate," writes Jim Tetlow in his
new book on Marian apparitions. And who is this "Queen of All?"
Tetlow's book by that name describes in great detail, thousands of
appearances of a "Lady of Light" in every nation on earth. Her
message is basically the same: The world is in a mess. I am the
Mother of the World. I am the Queen of Peace. I am appearing in
secret now, but will soon come in great glory with judgment on
those who will not follow me and peace to those who do.

Millions of pilgrims flock to the shrines of these apparitions every
year. Some of the best known include Our Lady of Guadalupe in
Mexico, Medjugorje in Bosnia, Lourdes in France, Knock in
Ireland, Czestochowa in Poland and Fatima in Portugal. There are
also dozens in the U.S. Massachusetts has Madonna, Queen of
the Universe National Shrine in Boston. Florida has Mary, Queen
of the Universe Shrine in Orlando. Pennsylvania has Our Lady of
Guadalupe, Mother of the Americas and New York has the
National Shrine of Mary, Help of Christians.

Thousands gather every year in Amsterdam for an International
Day of Prayer honoring "The Lady and Mother of All Nations."
Dozens of Roman Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals preside
over the event attended by people from over 70 countries.
Visionary Ida Peerdeman conveyed the messages of the "Lady"
that stressed the need for a "unity" that would only come when the
Pope and Roman Catholics officially proclaimed this "Lady of All
Nations" as "Co-Redemptrix" with Jesus. "To date, millions of
faithful Marian advocates have petitioned Rome to officially name
her Co-Redemptrix" writes Tetlow.

So, is this only a Roman Catholic phenomenon? Tetlow says,
"No!" A chapter in his book describes how hundreds of thousands
of Muslims have flocked to a Marian apparition near Cairo, Egypt.
"Mary is also highly honored in both the Koran and Hadith.
Muslims consider Mary the greatest of all women." Furthermore,
Muhammad is reported to have said that Mary reached the "level
of perfection," writes Tetlow.

In another chapter, he illustrates how the religions of the east all
have a prominent female deity. Similar apparitions have, and are
continuing to appear to people in Hinduism, Shintoism, Buddhism
and to some in the West, such as the New Age Movement who
have embraced the eastern religions. "The apparitions emphasize
that she is appearing everywhere with the same message," says
Tetlow. That message is always one of unity. "All religions are
man-made, inspired by the Creator. All words which have been
written in the Holy Books have been written by men in unity with
the Creator."

So, what is the Bible believer to think of this rising phenomenon in
the world? The acid test of all religions is: What do they do with
Jesus? Tetlow writes: "The apparition of Mary universally
proclaims that she is our compassionate, gentle, merciful
Mother-that Jesus is often portrayed as a distant, harsh
Judge…Yet, the Bible ascribes these attributes to God alone
(never once to Mary)." In fact, nowhere does the Scripture
attribute anything to Mary other than the earthly motherhood of
Jesus.

Tetlow goes on to show how this "Lady of Light" can only be
identified as a clever, demonic usurper. In the apparitions, she has
claimed divine attributes that belong only to Jesus. Contrary to 1
Timothy 2:5, that Jesus is the one Mediator, this "Lady" claims to
also be our mediator, intercessor, advocate, and even
"co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Other evidence further nails her as a usurper, elbowing Jesus
aside. Where Jesus is Lord; she claims to be "Lady." Jesus is
King, she is "Queen." She also claims to be sinless, omnipresent,
ascended bodily into heaven and is willing to accept worship-all
attributes reserved only for Jesus in the Bible.

Bible believers can only conclude that this is a demonic imposter,
sent to deceive even the elect, if it were possible. (See Matt.
24:24.) Tetlow's book, Queen of All, gives fair warning of the
growing, world-wide power of this usurper. This book gives
Christians the understanding they need to show their Muslim and
Roman Catholic friends that this Mary is not who she claims to be.
They should not be turning to this imposter, but to Jesus instead.

http://www.chick.com/bc/2006/lady.asp

buzzardhut
May 25th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Many Bible-believing Christians tend to think the Roman Catholics
are saved due to sincerity or to their good works. But what does
the Bible say? "Except a man be born again, he CANNOT see the
kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Indeed there are many Roman Catholics who, in spite of their
beliefs, look past it all and reach out by faith to the living Saviour.
They are born again and they leave the old life behind. Such we
call "converted former Roman Catholics."

But, are there any Roman Catholics saved and remaining in
Roman Catholicism. Just as you cannot mix fire and water, neither
can one be a saved person and remain a faithful Roman Catholic.
This would be directly against the official teaching of Rome:
"One
who would dare to consider himself, or herself, saved (that is,
certain of heaven), commits one of the gravest sins-the sin of
presumption."

Sincerity is good. And if sincerity alone could save a person, the
monks and nuns would be first to reach heaven. But sincerity is not
good enough. God says: "For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; NOT OF
WORKS, lest any man should boast."

Roman Catholics know about their Christ, but do not know the real Jesus
personally, therefore they are trying to work their way to God.
Roman Catholicism is essentially a religion of works and not of
grace as taught in the Scriptures.

Merits are earned, or even purchased with money, yet the
assurance and joy of salvation are ever absent no matter how
much satisfaction may be derived from sincere worship,
conscientious living, or laudable good works.

Though the cross and the death of Christ are emphasized, the
saving truths of Redemption are not taught. Or they are so mixed
with Mary, penance, purgatory, ritual, mass, and with idol and
saint worship, that faith unto salvation is completely obscured.

Truly, many Roman Catholics, in spite of it all, have accepted the real Jesus
Christ into their hearts and their lives-but can they then, being saved,
still continue to be Roman Catholics?

If they did, they would still have to attend Mass. Mass is "the
unbloody sacrifice of Christ under the appearance of bread and
wine." And how can they repeat Calvary when the Bible says:
"For this He did once" (Hebrews 7:27).

"He entered in once" (Hebrews 9:11-15). "Jesus Christ was once
offered" (Hebrews 9:28). "The offering of the body of Jesus Christ
once for all" (Hebrews 10:10). "For by one offering" (Hebrews
10:14).

They would have to continue going to confession to a priest when
the Bible says: "Who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:7).
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Hebrews 9:22).
"And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ, the righteous" (I John 2:1-2).

They would have to continue praying to Mary and the saints when
the Bible definitely states: "For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Timothy 2:5).

Then, remaining in Roman Catholicism, they must believe that after
death there is a place called "purgatory." How could this tally with
the fact of being saved? The Bible says: "The blood of Jesus Christ
His Son cleanseth us from ALL sin." (1 John 1:7).

Some tell us that they have met some pretty good Roman
Catholics who talk all about Jesus and seemed to trust Him. But
then again, if they trust Jesus alone for salvation (and there is no
other way), then why Mass, confession, beads, statues, crucifixes,
etc., etc.?

Either one knows he is saved, or does not know he is saved.
What Roman Catholics really are talking about is the wafer being
their "Christ" (and a false one for sure) (Matthew 24:23).

The Roman Catholics are as lost as the poor African witchdoctor.
The only difference is that the Roman Catholics are right about the Trinity, Jesus' crucifixion and ressurrection but
we are tricked in not seeing the need of evangelizing them.

We urge you to pray for the Roman Catholics and to witness to
them as never before. They are lost and in need of our living Saviour - Jesus Christ, not their dead christ on a crucifix.

Those who insist that Roman Catholics are saved either do
not know the Bible or have been tricked by Roman Catholicism.

TroyTrojansFan
May 25th, 2006, 07:52 PM
"In these difficult days, when our global problems seem
insurmountable, a growing number are turning to the Queen of All
as perhaps the world's best advocate"

You would think that the Almighty God would be enough for folks.

But, are there any Roman Catholics saved and remaining in Roman Catholicism. Just as you cannot mix fire and water, neither can one be a saved person and remain a faithful Roman Catholic. This would be directly against the official teaching of Rome: One who would dare to consider himself, or herself, saved (that is, certain of heaven), commits one of the gravest sins-the sin of presumption.

Agreed. Seems folks are going to have to decide who they trust, the church or God himself. :nod

http://www.chick.com/bc/2006/saved.asp

Well, there will be some here real quick to jump on the "Jack Chick bashing bandwagon" instead of honestly considering the point.

Though the cross and the death of Christ are emphasized, the
saving truths of Redemption are not taught. Or they are so mixed with Mary, penance, purgatory, ritual, mass, and with idol and saint worship, that faith unto salvation is completely obscured.

Last time I was in a Catholic thread, they denied doing all these things. Do they just deny them here, and then go to Mass and perform their rituals?? :confused

Those who insist that Roman Catholics are saved either do not know the Bible or have been tricked by Roman Catholicism.

Agreed.

Funmudder
July 5th, 2006, 09:55 AM
I'll have my book by Friday iff'n we aren't raptured first ;):

ed braski
July 5th, 2006, 12:47 PM
I am busy reading Dave Hunt's - Judgment Day
and Footsteps of the Messiah

I have read Tetlow before and like his writings.
He is also the "Messages From Heaven" guy
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/buzzardhut/messages.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971756104/qid=1146851500/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-5713984-0326248?s=books&v=glance&n=283155)

But there is no order form for this book yet :confused

Sent this book to my mom and she throw it in the trash..

buzzardhut
July 5th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Sent this book to my mom and she throw it in the trash..
:fear:twitch:faint

Sower
July 6th, 2006, 12:10 AM
Buzz, great post~ Ill be ordering a few of these books very soon~

Thanks a million for all the info~ im glad your on this message board! God Bless U!:thumb :nod

seeHimsoon
July 7th, 2006, 10:59 AM
Yup, guys, this "Mary" demon/apparition thing will seek to unite all the world religions. People from many religions are worshipping her as the "goddess" even now.
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"Mary" vs. Jesus

This Mary is a false, lying spirit because she contradicts what God has said in His Word. She deceives and leads people away from Jesus Christ. She seeks to replace Jesus by giving herself all His roles and all His attributes of deity. Only God can be and do the things that this Mary says she is and does. That makes her against Jesus Christ, and that is why I said that, like the people that Joshua spoke to, we too, must CHOOSE this day, whom we will serve: either the true God, Jesus, or the false gods of this world, (such as this demonic apparition calling itself Mary and the Queen of Heaven), which come from Satan’s demons.


Mary calls herself our Mother and Queen of Heaven. There is no female deity. There is only the Lord God, our Father, the God of Heaven, which is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. “However, there is a God in Heaven...” Daniel 2:28.

The Catholic bible leaves out the second commandment. I did not know this until just a few years ago. The word of God says, “You shall not make for yourself an idol.” This is the second commandment. The RCC takes this commandment OUT and splits the 10th commandment, “thou shalt not covet, into 2 commandments, thou shalt not covet your neighbor’s wife”, and “thou shalt not covet your neighbor’s house”, thus making the needed “10” in the Catholic bible. The commandments are in Deuteronomy 5: 7-21.

Mary says she is the way to Jesus, but Jesus says He is the ONLY way to God. There is no other way. No one else is needed. “I am the way” John 14:6.

Mary makes herself involved in our salvation. NO one is able to give us salvation except Jesus. “And there is salvation in no one else” Acts4:12. “There is no savior besides Me.” Isaiah 43:11.

Mary says she is co redeemer with Christ. Jesus needs no one to help him, He is the ONLY redeemer; it is through His work alone. “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our sins..”Eph.1:7.

Mary says her suffering helps in payment for sins, in our salvation. Only Jesus Christ’s sacrifice is the payment - through His blood. “He Himself is the propitiation(payment) for our sins.” l John 2:2.

Mary says she mediates for us. Jesus is the only mediator that there is.
He is also our High Priest, so we do not need a priest to go between us and God- that is what Jesus does for us. “For there is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” lTimothy2:5.

Mary says she intercedes in prayer on our behalf. Jesus does this for us. We do not need anyone but Jesus. “He always lives to make intercession for them.” Hebrews 7:25

Mary exalts herself very high. Only Jesus is highly exalted. “The Lord alone will be exalted.” Isaiah 2:11. “Therefore also God highly exalted Him (Jesus) and bestowed on Him the name which is above every other name. “ Phil. 2:9.

Mary says she gave us God (as the Mother of God). Jesus existed from all eternity past and incarnated himself into a woman to be born of men to be our sacrifice and savior. Mary was not before Jesus. She was His creation. She did not create Him. Jesus created the world and He created Mary and was her savior. “God, ....in these last days, has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir to all things, through whom also He made the world.” Romans 1:1-2. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him, nothing came into being that has come into being. “ John 1:1-3 “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us...” John 1:14.

Mary appears as visions of light. The demons and even satan himself, appear as angels of light. One must test them by what they say. The real Mary’s spirit is in heaven and her body is buried in a grave, awaiting the resurrection of the saints. Only Jesus is resurrected so far. He will resurrect those in Christ (the saints) in the future and then He will resurrect the lost for judgment even farther in the future. The dead saints, whose souls are in heaven, cannot speak to us, but demon spirits, which are evil angels, can. “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14.

Mary offers sacrifices for sins. Jesus paid for all sins on the cross and there are no sacrifices needed to help this. All our works, or Mary's works, do not pay the sacrifice for our sins. Mary offers Jesus Christ to God, she says. Jesus offered Himself for our sins, being the sacrificial Lamb of God whom God offered for our sins.
“but He, having offered ONE sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.” Hebrews 10:12.


She wants us to be devoted to her heart. God wants us to be devoted to Him. The first commandment is , “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.” Deut. 5:7


She promises salvation. Only God can give salvation, through Jesus. “And there is salvation in no one else...” Acts 4:12

She says sins are committed against her. Sins are only committed against God. “Against Thee,Thee only have I sinned and done what is evil in Thy sight. ” Psalm 51:4

She talks about saving souls through devotion to her. This Mary obviously wants to be worshipped. Only God saves souls by the death of Christ. “Salvation belongs to the Lord.” Ps. 3:8.

Mary wants us to pray the Hail Mary to her. Jesus told us to pray, “Our Father”, in His name.

She says she can offer grace or assistance at the hour of death. Only Jesus saves, not mary. “By grace have you been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it the gift of God...” Eph. 2:8


She calls herself Queen of Heaven, when there is only a King in heaven, and it is Jesus. “my King and my God” Ps. 5:2 “Behold, your King is coming to you...” Zech. 9:9.

She says she restrains or looses the hand of her Son. Does she have more power than God? She must be a higher god than God to do this. She must be all powerful to do this. She must have all control to do this. Only God is in control. “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. “ Rev. 19:6.


She says there is power in the rosary. The devil and the demons have some power- it is occult satanic power. There is God’s power in God’s Word, which is our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, which is God. Believers in the Lord Jesus have power to overcome evil “because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did (or do) not love their life, even unto the death.” Rev. 12:11.

She says she is triumphant, through her immaculate heart. She thinks she will triumph and conquer the world. Only Jesus will triumph and conquer the world. Only Jesus is triumphant. Only He is sinless and only He is God. “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev. 19:16.
She asks people to do things which should only be done unto God. She wants your worship, heart, mind and soul.

She says; serve me, go under me, imitate me, belong to me, trust me, obey me, be my slave, give all to me, pray to me, offer yourself to me, sacrifice to me, spread the news of me, worship me, crown me Queen and exalt me.

Those are things that should only be done unto God.

The bible is clear that speaking or praying to the dead is a very serious sin closely related to witchcraft and sorcery , since the dead (saints or wicked dead) cannot speak to us, but the demonic host (demons) can contact us and communicate to us.
Thus if a dead person’s spirit (remember, the resurrection has not happened yet, so all dead saints are spirit only and do not have bodies) appears to us, it is guaranteed that it is a demon, seeking to deceive with false messages. The messages are false since they totally contradict the Word of God, which is truth. Everything listed here that Mary says, mocks and rejects the Deity and redemptive work of Jesus Christ. This proves these apparitions are false, lying demonic spirits seeking to deceive and to literally draw people into the worship of demons and satan himself, otherwise known as devil worship. The bible talks extensively about this spiritual deception in the world, which dramatically increases as the day draws nearer to the return of Christ.

That is why we must “choose for yourselves today, whom you will serve, EITHER the gods (demons) of your fathers which were beyond the river (Euphrates) OR the gods of the Amorites (demons).......but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Jesus is LORD.


Joshua (which means the LORD is salvation), goes on: “Now therefore, put away the foreign gods (demons) which are in your midst, and incline your hearts to the LORD, the God of Israel.”


Every major doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, including praying to the dead, following the pope as the representative of Christ on the earth, worshipping dead saints, bowing and praying to statues, praying repetitive prayers (rosary), the “sacrifice”, again and again of Christ in the mass and the so called transubstantiation; that the priest has the powers to call Christ down from heaven and make Him into a piece of bread, the worship of this bread (venerating the host/eucharist) the confessing to priests, the doing of works towards salvation, the praying to dead popes, the worship of Mary, the submitting to the authority of man (the Roman Catholic Church authorities) over Christ, the following of the teachings of men over the teachings of our Lord in the Holy Scriptures, etc - -all these teachings are false and unbiblical. Furthermore, the newer teachings in recent years, that seek to create interfaith dialogue, and cooperation, especially the outright interfaith/universalist/pantheist teachings of JohnPaul ll, which also are continued by Benedict XVl, all help, along with the false teachings of the pagan religions (and the false teachings within Protestantism and neo-evangelicalism), to create a developing unified, global spirituality which will be the global anti- Christ religion of the near future. I believe this ‘Mary’ goddess worship, is one of the main, if not THE main factor, which will succeed in uniting all false global faiths into one, under the RCC most likely. “and the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world...”
Rev. 12:9. “and they worshipped the dragon (satan) because he gave his authority to the beast (antichrist).” Rev.13:4
“and he (another beast, the false religious leader) makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast...and he deceives those who dwell on the earth....” Rev. 13:12 and 14. Do not be decieved. Ask God to show you the truth.
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O-evetS
July 9th, 2006, 01:33 PM
I know Jim Tetlow, he goes to my church (a Calvary Chappel). He's a really nice guy. He supports our ministry (walesroad.com (http://www.walesroad.com)) by occaisonally comming to our gigs and talking to people, doing the good test and all that. We also just had Rodger Oakland speak at our church today. He, my pastor, and Dave Hunt were just in Rome doing a prophecy conference on, yep you guessed it, The Woman Who Rides The Beast and "Mary" in the end times. Veery interesting things going on there.

Steve-O

buzzardhut
July 9th, 2006, 08:52 PM
I know Jim Tetlow, he goes to my church (a Calvary Chappel). He's a really nice guy. He supports our ministry (walesroad.com (http://www.walesroad.com)) by occaisonally comming to our gigs and talking to people, doing the good test and all that. We also just had Rodger Oakland speak at our church today. He, my pastor, and Dave Hunt were just in Rome doing a prophecy conference on, yep you guessed it, The Woman Who Rides The Beast and "Mary" in the end times. Veery interesting things going on there.

Steve-OWow!
Sounds like fun! :thumb

Changes
July 10th, 2006, 08:39 AM
:wave seeHimsoon

Do you have a link for your post?

Laura-bell
July 11th, 2006, 09:27 PM
I've heard rumors that the Methodist or Lutheran church (I think), along with the Episcopalian church has accepted this doctrine and is beginning to unite with the catholic church again here in the states!:freaked And that sort of thing is going on in the EU as well.
The catholic church is trying to bring us back into one religion again. I have read some of the writings of Pope John Paul II.

buzzardhut
July 11th, 2006, 10:41 PM
I've heard rumors that the Methodist or Lutheran church (I think), along with the Episcopalian church has accepted this doctrine and is beginning to unite with the catholic church again here in the states!:freaked And that sort of thing is going on in the EU as well.
The catholic church is trying to bring us back into one religion again. I have read some of the writings of Pope John Paul II.
Catholicism would like to think they are the original church but they started as a parachurch of mythology for the true churches were still meeting underground in houses and tunnels.
They were the first group, that included Jesus in their worship, to be recognized by the state, country of Rome.
Martin Luther was a priest, so you could say Methodism is going home to Rome.
Thier services are so liturgical anyway that they would only need a few minor adjustments to stay comfortable.

Laura-bell
July 11th, 2006, 11:11 PM
Catholicism would like to think they are the original church but they started as a parachurch of mythology for the true churches were still meeting underground in houses and tunnels.
They were the first group, that included Jesus in their worship, to be recognized by the state, country of Rome.
Martin Luther was a priest, so you could say Methodism is going home to Rome.
Thier services are so liturgical anyway that they would only need a few minor adjustments to stay comfortable.


Ok, I couldn't remember if it was the methodist church or what. I just knew that they are trying to woo the rest of the protestant churches and they were the latest... they are actually pretending to "cut us some slack" and say that we are saved but we are seperated from the body of Christ by being seperated from the "mother church":rolleyes .
Thanks for the info. on the catholic church, but I am already aware of the fact that they didn't come into being like they like to teach. I have a pretty good idea of where all of the gobbily goop they teach came from. Sorry if I sounded like I meant that we have to go home to them...that's a frieghtening thought. :fear

buzzardhut
July 11th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Ok, I couldn't remember if it was the methodist church or what. I just knew that they are trying to woo the rest of the protestant churches and they were the latest... they are actually pretending to "cut us some slack" and say that we are saved but we are seperated from the body of Christ by being seperated from the "mother church":rolleyes .
Thanks for the info. on the catholic church, but I am already aware of the fact that they didn't come into being like they like to teach. I have a pretty good idea of where all of the gobbily goop they teach came from. Sorry if I sounded like I meant that we have to go home to them...that's a frieghtening thought. :fear
Oh No I'm not thinking that about you.
I'm just ramblin (for lurkers I guess)

Laura-bell
July 12th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Oh No I'm not thinking that about you.
I'm just ramblin (for lurkers I guess)

Oh, ok. I thought that might be possible, but I thought just in case I should clear that up.:thumb