Why Do People Die?

[ub4war]

WHY DO PEOPLE DIE?

Death is the only means by which the spirit of people can enter into the presence of God. In fact, God rejoices in the death of those who love Him, since they can enter directly into His presence at that time...
"Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones." (Psalms 116:15)
can we trust our hearts to teach us what God wants?
(Jer 17:9) ---The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

can we trust any information that the world teaches about God?
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
can we trust our age old traditions and ways of our ancestors?
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Who should we listen to?
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:29

can we trust our own understanding?
Proverbs 3:5-6 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight."

can we trust the bible to teach us , who used men that put it together?
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

can we trust God to teach us of him or do we need another person?
1John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

who does God say to ask for learning about him?
Jeremiah 33:3 "Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not."
How?--------Luke 11:9-10
9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened
Does God use men in Power or having wordly authority to further his plans and why or why not?
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence 1Cor 1:27-29
why do non belivers think christians are crazy?
I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural {unsaved} man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

should we love the world and all the things that make up our ''life style''
1John 2: 15-17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

Haven't People been saying ah ha Jesus was supposed to come in such and such a time or that some say
well where is he if he really exists , things have always been this way

2 Peter 3
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

by me--ub

[Slightly Miffed]

Because they got their breathing privileges revoked? :noidea

[ub4war]

as mork would say.........earth hurmor....arararararar:):

[RobinB]

Death is part of our punishment after the fall, according to Brad Stine. Our bodies weren't initially created to die.

[Kitty2kat]

Sin is the reason we die. God told Adam that if he ate of the fruit he told him not to eat that he would die. He ate of the fruit and he did die. But we have Jesus now, who defeated death.

[MamawSandy]

I think all these replies are on the mark.
But think about this. If no one died, God would be in Heaven all alone.
If no one died, earth would be so over crowded that we couldn't live.
But in the end, death is the result of sin that entered when Adam ate of the apple. We will not have our glorified bodies until we meet Jesus in the Rapture. Right now, we make mistakes and need to be redeemed. That is why Jesus came to earth.

[Born Again]

I have always wondered. If Adam and Eve had not sinned..how would this planet have had enough room for all their descendents. Or would one of the descendents eventually have sinned? Why wasn't the Garden worldwide? Not just in one location.

[bopeep1909]

Sin is the reason we die. God told Adam that if he ate of the fruit he told him not to eat that he would die. He ate of the fruit and he did die. But we have Jesus now, who defeated death.

:thumb That's it.<><

[Zarove]

Hopefully this wont be moved to apolobetics, as it will be without context.

Peopel grow old and die naturlaly, its part pf Gods created order.

THis is why they die.

Or they become ill, and die.

Or are killed.

[TrojansFan]

Hopefully this wont be moved to apolobetics, as it will be without context.

Peopel grow old and die naturlaly, its part pf Gods created order.

THis is why they die.

Or they become ill, and die.

Or are killed.

Nope. God has told us why people die. You can either believe the word of God or you can make up your own man made beliefs. For me, I'll believe the word of God. :nod

[Zarove]

THe problem is, I do belive the word of God. TH word of God said that their is a time for every purpose under the sun, includign a time to live, and a time to die. God said man's lifespan shall be 120 years. God said in his word that Deaht is a natural thing.

I can say little or else this will be cut off into apologetics, but dont presume my beleifs arent scriptural and yours are.

[TrojansFan]

THe problem is, I do belive the word of God. TH word of God said that their is a time for every purpose under the sun, includign a time to live, and a time to die. God said man's lifespan shall be 120 years. God said in his word that Deaht is a natural thing.

I can say little or else this will be cut off into apologetics, but dont presume my beleifs arent scriptural and yours are.

The problem with this is that Genesis was the "beginning" and the part you are referring to was a "later" part in the Bible, after the sin event had occured and things became different. In the beginning death WAS NOT part of creation, it was through "sin" that deathe ENTERED the world, it did not exist in the world prior to sin. So, again this theology POV you are arguing is not correct. Context is extremely important and a "larger" picture is needed to see the whole story. I hope that helps. :):

[Zarove]

Genesis lacks any and every refrence to Adam and Eve beign immortal. Genesis further indicates that God tld them to have CHildren to replinish the Earth. Why should a pair of Immortals reprodice?

Again, Genesis doesn't say that Physical death was the result fo dam and Eve, nor do we die because of their sins. It's simply a natural point. God capped our lifepan at 120 years.

THis is why we die.At leats accordign to Gods word, and not man made tradition.

[Kitty2kat]

Genesis lacks any and every refrence to Adam and Eve beign immortal. Genesis further indicates that God tld them to have CHildren to replinish the Earth. Why should a pair of Immortals reprodice?

Again, Genesis doesn't say that Physical death was the result fo dam and Eve, nor do we die because of their sins. It's simply a natural point. God capped our lifepan at 120 years.

THis is why we die.At leats accordign to Gods word, and not man made tradition.

Zarove, this is pointless. You have been told and shown scripture but you refuse to accept that scripture because it either isn't in the version you think it should be in, or it doesn't say exactly what you think it should say to mean what it says. Your comments have already been moved to apologetics, but you insist in keeping your argument going in this thread. I would suggest you keep your comments to the apologetics forum.

BTW: To keep things in the original translation, you would need to read the Bible in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. King James is not the original version, and is suseptipal to error just like any other Bible version.

[TrojansFan]

Genesis lacks any and every refrence to Adam and Eve beign immortal. Genesis further indicates that God tld them to have CHildren to replinish the Earth. Why should a pair of Immortals reprodice?

How would you expect them to reproduce if they didn't have children? Do you think that God wanted two beings to walk around the Earth for eternity?? :confused I don't see much point in that.

Again, Genesis doesn't say that Physical death was the result fo dam and Eve, nor do we die because of their sins. It's simply a natural point. God capped our lifepan at 120 years.

THis is why we die.At leats accordign to Gods word, and not man made tradition.

So is that why God told Adam that if he ate the fruit of the forbidden tree that he should surely DIE? :confused Uh, Adam lived to be 930 years old. Guess he didn't pay attention to God's cap on lifespan either did he?? :confused

[TrojansFan]

Zarove, this is pointless. You have been told and shown scripture but you refuse to accept that scripture because it either isn't in the version you think it should be in, or it doesn't say exactly what you think it should say to mean what it says. Your comments have already been moved to apologetics, but you insist in keeping your argument going in this thread. I would suggest you keep your comments to the apologetics forum.

BTW: To keep things in the original translation, you would need to read the Bible in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. King James is not the original version, and is suseptipal to error just like any other Bible version.

:nod :thumb

[Zarove]

Zarove, this is pointless. You have been told and shown scripture but you refuse to accept that scripture because it either isn't in the version you think it should be in, or it doesn't say exactly what you think it should say to mean what it says.



Actually I asked what Translation you used, and used two Literla Translations. I do not reject the Scriptures, I reject whats not in the Koine Greek. The term " Sin Nature" is in your Bible, but you have to realise that this was an intperetation of what the Greek meant, and not what it said.

I tried to point out that, in Literal trsnslations, it doesnt say " Sin Nature" at all. THis isn't abotu what I want,or that it snot int he Verison I think. But, rather the reverse is true. Because you want the verses to be abotu sin nature, you will stick to you unidentified TRanslation over even the Origional Greek, because it suits your theology.


If I am wrong, Iw ill admit it, but you cannot expect me to ignore the fact that your translaion was sctarian and biased.

Nor is it Sectarian and Biasedof me to insist on an accrurate translation.


Simply put, the term " SIn Nature: is not in th Oriigonal Greek, so why shoiudl I accept that it is?

Go on, tellme Im ignorign the plain word of God, but you ignored everythign I said and make me out to be soemthign Im not. Its bad enough everythign I say ends in apologetics and no one will hear me out, now I have to beleive that a Translaiton you used , which is innacurate, is divinely inspired?




Your comments have already been moved to apologetics, but you insist in keeping your argument going in this thread. I would suggest you keep your comments to the apologetics forum.


Why, so you can have or way and not have to listen to other views? Im not trygn to b divisive herebut relaly.



BTW: To keep things in the original translation, you would need to read the Bible in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. King James is not the original version, and is suseptipal to error just like any other Bible version.


Thats why I also used the RSV initially. DO I have to post the origional Greek? Do yoyu know Koine Greek? Im learnign it.

Do I hav to post the NASB, YLT, and 15 other trnaslations to get my point accreoss that your translation was baised?

[Kitty2kat]

Zarove, this is pointless. You have been told and shown scripture but you refuse to accept that scripture because it either isn't in the version you think it should be in, or it doesn't say exactly what you think it should say to mean what it says.



Actually I asked what Translation you used, and used two Literla Translations. I do not reject the Scriptures, I reject whats not in the Koine Greek. The term " Sin Nature" is in your Bible, but you have to realise that this was an intperetation of what the Greek meant, and not what it said.

I tried to point out that, in Literal trsnslations, it doesnt say " Sin Nature" at all. THis isn't abotu what I want,or that it snot int he Verison I think. But, rather the reverse is true. Because you want the verses to be abotu sin nature, you will stick to you unidentified TRanslation over even the Origional Greek, because it suits your theology.


If I am wrong, Iw ill admit it, but you cannot expect me to ignore the fact that your translaion was sctarian and biased.

Nor is it Sectarian and Biasedof me to insist on an accrurate translation.


Simply put, the term " SIn Nature: is not in th Oriigonal Greek, so why shoiudl I accept that it is?

Go on, tellme Im ignorign the plain word of God, but you ignored everythign I said and make me out to be soemthign Im not. Its bad enough everythign I say ends in apologetics and no one will hear me out, now I have to beleive that a Translaiton you used , which is innacurate, is divinely inspired?




Your comments have already been moved to apologetics, but you insist in keeping your argument going in this thread. I would suggest you keep your comments to the apologetics forum.


Why, so you can have or way and not have to listen to other views? Im not trygn to b divisive herebut relaly.



BTW: To keep things in the original translation, you would need to read the Bible in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. King James is not the original version, and is suseptipal to error just like any other Bible version.


Thats why I also used the RSV initially. DO I have to post the origional Greek? Do yoyu know Koine Greek? Im learnign it.

Do I hav to post the NASB, YLT, and 15 other trnaslations to get my point accreoss that your translation was baised?

Everyone has heard you out, you are the one trying deperately to get everyone to come to your point of view. I use the NIV, which I really like, it doesn't matter. You are keeping this argument going now, in two threads, it seems just for the sake of argueing. There are other forums here for you to post in, but you insist on being devisive on this one issue. If you truly want to see want kind of board this is, then stop and look around, and get to know the others on the board by being personal with them instead of keeping the argument going. We have shown you scripture, you still won't accept it. We have to agree to disagree. There are other things to talk about, besides this one issue. If all you want to do is argue, you won't get anywhere with it.

[ub4war]

zarove---i appreciate your sympathy--while i do not want to jump in on your discussion seeing how its been moved to another board can you ''discuss'' this there please.I am not sure why i started this thread but it was not to hear a
''discussion'' ---oh heck with it --argument here---your comments are relevant to me but Just not here, not now--and i know its my fault because i asked the question--see do not feel bad please because i know you do not know but my dad died 2 days after i started this thread
Your brother in Christ
ub

[Becky]

Zarove is no longer in the building. :wave

[SylvieDee]

oh dagnabbit... and I had just one thing to say to him. :doh

Now it's too late. Oh well...

[buzzardhut]

but........but...............:faint

[My Abba's Child]

I have always wondered. If Adam and Eve had not sinned..how would this planet have had enough room for all their descendents. Or would one of the descendents eventually have sinned? Why wasn't the Garden worldwide? Not just in one location.

I'm sure God had plans for Adam, Eve, and all of their progeny... after all, He did tell them to multipy. :D: That being said, God knew the end from the beginning, so He KNEW they would sin and already had a plan. I do, however, believe that Adam and Eve were indeed created immortal and perfect. Like disease, pain, and all sorts of other evils, death was a result of sin against God.

In His love,