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ready2leave
May 1st, 2006, 09:22 PM
I was just wondering your thoughts on this. I personally think that your body is a temple for the spirit and you should keep it holy by not mutilating it.:):

With the way the world is going, more and more people begin to accept it.

With the T.V. shows like Miami Ink and others, it shows.

16% of all Americans adults have tattoos.

Ages 30 to 39, 28% have at least one.

If you look at people 25- 29, more than a third of that population has one or more tattoos (36%).

People in the gay, lesbian and bisexual population (regardless of age) were also close to the one in three mark at 31%.
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Just thought I'd put it out there. Opinions???

surferbill777
May 1st, 2006, 09:33 PM
I personally do not see tattoos as mutilation (i think its a harsh world personall :): ) in any form, provided they are not evil or satanic in nature. I think they can be absolutely stunning and a testament of ones beliefs, hopes, etc. Of course, your life itself should be a testament of your beliefs, but this is just another form of expression. Miami Ink is one of my favorite shows, I find tattoos to be amazing works of art, style and individuality.

I'm not sure i follow your stat on the homosexual community...are you saying that one of the reasons that tat's are bad is because 1 in 3 gay people get them?

Mindenite
May 1st, 2006, 10:02 PM
"I've lost a lot of friends, but its the ones I have memorial tattoos of that I think about everyday." (Paraphrased from Ami of Miami Ink). I would never get a tattoo, but I love the stories behind them. People who have died far too young are morned by their friends who get memorial tattoos, or long passed away parents or grandparents remembered forever, or some horrible accident that is soothed by getting a tattoo. So much pain seemed to be eased with certain people who get certain tattoos. I know that some ink under the skin can't actually help with grieving or emotional pain, but what it symbolizes can, and some people need more physical reminders than others.

surferbill777
May 1st, 2006, 10:04 PM
great point, i totally agree that the stories and thought behind tats can be wonderful.

"I've lost a lot of friends, but its the ones I have memorial tattoos of that I think about everyday." (Paraphrased from Ami of Miami Ink). I would never get a tattoo, but I love the stories behind them. People who have died far too young are morned by their friends who get memorial tattoos, or long passed away parents or grandparents remembered forever, or some horrible accident that is soothed by getting a tattoo. So much pain seemed to be eased with certain people who get certain tattoos. I know that some ink under the skin can't actually help with grieving or emotional pain, but what it symbolizes can, and some people need more physical reminders than others.

Diane 1611
May 1st, 2006, 10:14 PM
My ds' babysitter's husband has Jesus on the cross tattooed on his back and chest. It's very nicely done.

My personal opinion is that if God wanted us to have pictures and words on our skin, He would have made us that way. :lol Although I'm not about to judge you if you have a tat. To each their own! :lol

ready2leave
May 1st, 2006, 10:59 PM
I personally do not see tattoos as mutilation (i think its a harsh world personall ) in any form, provided they are not evil or satanic in nature. I think they can be absolutely stunning and a testament of ones beliefs, hopes, etc. Of course, your life itself should be a testament of your beliefs, but this is just another form of expression. Miami Ink is one of my favorite shows, I find tattoos to be amazing works of art, style and individuality.

I'm not sure i follow your stat on the homosexual community...are you saying that one of the reasons that tat's are bad is because 1 in 3 gay people get them?

I enjoy watching Miami Ink as well but i was just stating what's going on in the world. It's really amazing to watch the artwork flow.

As far as the homosexual stat, I didn't know if it was related or not. Since the percentage is higher than the rest, perhaps it is related. I don't know. Just something to ponder though.

Harley
May 1st, 2006, 11:04 PM
i would not consider them mutilation either.

cardboardpunk
May 2nd, 2006, 09:11 AM
i haven't been convicted for getting any tattoos.

i pray for the day when God puts His personal tattoo on all of us.

Rev 22:4 And they will see His face, and His name will be in their foreheads. :D:

The Norm
May 2nd, 2006, 12:21 PM
I dont see them as mutilation although the fad makes no sense to me. I've always thought in the back of my mind that having a tatoo is going to make it too easy to be identified ....if we ever got to the point of needing to be obscure.....

Hootmon
May 2nd, 2006, 12:23 PM
...not to mention that the Eagle you have tattooed on your chest while you are young will look more like a Vulture in your old age.

ub4war
May 2nd, 2006, 12:32 PM
simple answer----yes tatoos are sinful---------------------------[Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

70thWeek
May 2nd, 2006, 12:34 PM
Personally, I think that tattoos are tacky, and would not get one myself, but do not think that they are sinful or would look down on anyone else for getting one.

ub4war
May 2nd, 2006, 12:44 PM
B]Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28[/B]

Enlightenment
May 2nd, 2006, 01:15 PM
I was just wondering your thoughts on this. I personally think that your body is a temple for the spirit and you should keep it holy by not mutilating it.

I wonder about this argument. Does the spirit care if there is a mark on your body? Is the spirit grieved if a teen has acne? If you chew your fingernails? This argument is usually used to condemn smoking and/or drinking but I've never understood the connection between marks on your body and the state of the Holy Spirit.

The Norm
May 2nd, 2006, 01:20 PM
Good point on that scripture, As I recall there were old religions that marked their bodies with marks that had to do with false gods and worship, so maybe this trend which is uncommonly popular now, in these last days, is being a little "driven" by......you know who? :target

Mindenite
May 2nd, 2006, 01:22 PM
simple answer----yes tatoos are sinful---------------------------Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28
We are only under the laws of Leviticus as they are restated in the New Testament. The Levitical laws makes cheeseburgers and different combined fabrics sinful. Now, i you can find where Jesus says tattoos are sinful or perhaps Paul or John, then I'll have to consider agreeing with you.

Changes
May 2nd, 2006, 01:24 PM
:spy

Hootmon
May 2nd, 2006, 01:47 PM
BYe shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28[/B] Are you male? Do you shave?

How about your hair? Do you cut it?

Lev 19:27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Well-groomed sinners...

Ajani
May 2nd, 2006, 01:56 PM
Glad I'm not under that law. What a heavy burden to bear. I don't have a tattoo, but I've thought about it. And I don't believe for a minute that they are sinful to those who are free in Christ. To those who are sadly bound by law, however, they are in so far as scripture tells us that if a person's conscience leads them to believe that something is sinful, then for that person it is and he/she should not be encouraged to do/wear/eat whatever it is.

Shyguy
May 2nd, 2006, 02:42 PM
My ds' babysitter's husband has Jesus on the cross tattooed on his back and chest. It's very nicely done.

My personal opinion is that if God wanted us to have pictures and words on our skin, He would have made us that way. :lol Although I'm not about to judge you if you have a tat. To each their own! :lol


Then why didnt he provide a case of Makeup and cosmetics not to mention perfume and hair dye ... ? This argument just doesnt make much sense to me.

biblemommy
May 2nd, 2006, 03:05 PM
Glad I'm not under that law. What a heavy burden to bear. I don't have a tattoo, but I've thought about it. And I don't believe for a minute that they are sinful to those who are free in Christ. To those who are sadly bound by law, however, they are in so far as scripture tells us that if a person's conscience leads them to believe that something is sinful, then for that person it is and he/she should not be encouraged to do/wear/eat whatever it is.

excellent point!!!
what about all those born again bikers? you gonna tell them they can't get into heaven because they have tats? those tatoos often times can start a conversation that can lead to a new soul for Christ...
I got my first tatoo six months before I was saved, actually my 'first tatoo' was done home made at a party while I was well into a bottle of gin...:redface

the scripture for me that spoke more to my spirit was Galations 5
flesh vs spirit...
I had two more tatoos added to the first 'offical' tatoo long after I was saved. I spent many years even after Jesus became my personal Savoir , back sliding...I am an artist and I think tats are an extsention of a persons personality, sadly what we see on the persons skin is only a reflection of whats in there soul... not everyone with a tatoo is proud of having them either...I used to be, but not anymore, and not because I have anything evil,( I have an heart with a flower)
its just that now as a mom I see it in a different light, will I let my children have tats? not under the age of 18, but they have to seek God in there choices, and I can only help guide them...I remember when my parents found out I had a tat, they weren't that upset, but considering all the other things I put them through, a tatoo was but a crumb....
I think like anything else its what your convicted of...yes we have guidelines set forth to us by God, but not every one who drinks a beer is a drunk sinner either...and I don't think someone having a tatoo makes them evil and misguided...

sealed
May 2nd, 2006, 03:13 PM
...not to mention that the Eagle you have tattooed on your chest while you are young will look more like a Vulture in your old age.
:lol :lol

Harley
May 2nd, 2006, 03:14 PM
simple answer----yes tatoos are sinful---------------------------[Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28
hmmm... so much for my cotton/poly blends then too...

boxer77
May 2nd, 2006, 04:17 PM
Well there goes my leisure suit! I have a tattoo of a cross on m right arm, with the letters Alpha, Omega on either side.
I wish I wouldnt have gotten it, I feel it makes me look more worldly.
I try to forget about it.:doh I actuly looked into getting it removed but I couldnt afford $10,000 at the momment.:wacko

ub4war
May 2nd, 2006, 06:48 PM
doh!!! hootman you nailed me.....yes i am male and i do shave
wow never thought bout that---er am gonna burn for this too

biblemommy
May 2nd, 2006, 06:54 PM
[QUOTE=boxer77.
I actuly looked into getting it removed but I couldnt afford $10,000 at the momment.:wacko[/QUOTE]

I hear ya, I paid 50 dollars for mine, no way am I gonna spead 3 grand to get rid of it!! for me I know it sounds silly but having a tatoo on my ankle I can't hide it in sandle weather, which for me is even in the winter unless theres snow on the ground!, but like if I am in church and I happen to notice my ankle, at forst I think oh no, how embarssing, but then I remember
we have ALL fallen short and while we were sinners,yet Christ died for Us...
it reminds me of the song 'come just as you are' if we waited till we had it all together or cleaned up our appaerances we'd likely never get there....
Thank You Jesus For loving me enough to die for me so that my sins are washed clean and I can be as white as snow....
maybe white as snow, will include blemish free skin on our new bodies,

Hootmon
May 2nd, 2006, 07:16 PM
er am gonna burn for this tooUnlikely. Not for tattoos either.

MedicDave
May 2nd, 2006, 07:35 PM
I might get a tattoo when I'm a senior citizen. The older you get, the less chance you'll have to regret later in life the crazy things you do. Of course, I'm also planning on baiting the police to chase me on foot through town while I have a gorilla suit on. Man, that would be like the top thing I ever did.

Rebecki
May 2nd, 2006, 07:46 PM
I have 3 tattoos, and I got all of them after I was saved.

Here (http://xtat.org/tattoosbible.php) is a great site that explains the bible and tattoos. I think you can find your answer at that link. :thumb

boxer77
May 2nd, 2006, 08:37 PM
I got mine after I was saved to I just wish I wouldnt have but oh well. I will check out that link rebecki.:nod :thumb

Strnghrt
May 2nd, 2006, 11:40 PM
Ok, I have questioned a lot of things and this is one of them. First there are all these laws (including the one about mixing fabrics) then we aren't under the law, then Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. Now my question is... which is it? I am soooo confused! Now with that said I have 3 tats. One is a tiny one I did myself in HS when I was high. One is a cover-up from another I got in HS with an old boyfriends name(hubby is glad I covered that) the third is a tattoo of a butterfly with vines and some tiny flowers on my back with 70x7 under it. Now THAT is a conversation starter. Even other Christians have asked me what 70x7 means. The butterfly and the 70x7 tie in together. Once I was reading a book and a story told in the book really toughed me and I had to get a tat of what I pictured... The story goes something like this....
Butterflies are proof that God is a God of second chances. Before a butterfly is a butterfly it's a caterpiller crawling across the earth with it's face in the dirt. When it dies it is reborn into a beautiful butterfly never to have it's face in the dirt again. The 70x7 is of course about forgiveness. HOWEVER I think I wayyyyyyy passed the 70x7 amount of forgiveness. I LOVE that tat and want another but after talking to the artist I realized it's almost impossible. I want a cross like a metal look with the reflection of the American flag in it. He said he can't do it because of the reflection part.
I also have piercings and have heard they are sinful. I have my nose pierced but Issac gave Rebekah a nose ring as a wedding gift. So is my nose ring a sin?

Awakened
May 3rd, 2006, 12:01 AM
I have two... and I always tell people that ask about the whole "temple" thing... "I'm decorating my temple!" I decorate my house... why not my temple!?:D:

biblemommy
May 3rd, 2006, 12:52 AM
God is a God of second chances. Before a butterfly is a butterfly it's a caterpiller crawling across the earth with it's face in the dirt. When it dies it is reborn into a beautiful butterfly never to have it's face in the dirt again. The 70x7 is of course about forgiveness. HOWEVER I think I wayyyyyyy passed the 70x7 amount of forgiveness. I LOVE that tat and want another but after talking to the artist I realized it's almost impossible. I want a cross like a metal look with the reflection of the American flag in it. He said he can't do it because of the reflection part.
I also have piercings and have heard they are sinful. I have my nose pierced but Issac gave Rebekah a nose ring as a wedding gift. So is my nose ring a sin?

beautiful story..
but I honestly don' ever remember reading issac gave rebekah a nose ring as a wedding present, I am not sayin I doubt you, but could you tell me the verses? I would really love to read that...
I only have my ears pierced, but piercings weren't big when I was a youth...probably a good thing...

Jael
May 3rd, 2006, 12:59 AM
beautiful story..
but I honestly don' ever remember reading issac gave rebekah a nose ring as a wedding present, I am not sayin I doubt you, but could you tell me the verses? I would really love to read that...
I only have my ears pierced, but piercings weren't big when I was a youth...probably a good thing...

Gen 24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten [shekels] weight of gold;

Strong's for the word translated "earring":

nexem {neh'-zem}

1) ring, nose ring, earring

a) nose ring (woman's ornament)

b) earring (ornament of men or women)

biblemommy
May 3rd, 2006, 01:25 AM
Gen 24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten [shekels] weight of gold;

Strong's for the word translated "earring":

nexem {neh'-zem}

1) ring, nose ring, earring

a) nose ring (woman's ornament)

b) earring (ornament of men or women)

cewl thanks:thumb

ub4war
May 3rd, 2006, 07:21 AM
whew!

ZeroHour
May 3rd, 2006, 10:22 AM
Matthew: 15:10 (Jesus speaking) "What goes into the mouth does not make a man unclean."
15:18 "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and it is these that make a man unclean. For from the heart come evil intentions."

I would think that what goes under the skin, or through the skin would not make someone unclean either.:):
I got my tat after I was saved. An angel holding a sword.

Strnghrt
May 3rd, 2006, 11:43 AM
Gen 24:22 And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten [shekels] weight of gold;

Strong's for the word translated "earring":

nexem {neh'-zem}

1) ring, nose ring, earring

a) nose ring (woman's ornament)

b) earring (ornament of men or women)
Thank you It would have taken me forever to find it again. LOL

AnyDayNow
May 3rd, 2006, 03:58 PM
My ds' babysitter's husband has Jesus on the cross tattooed on his back and chest. It's very nicely done...

I don't judge those with tats. But Jesus still on the Cross is one of satan's favorites. It reminds him of that brief time when he thought he was victorious, that he had defeated God's plan. Then Jesus Rose.

How about one tat showing a facsimile of Jesus with His name on the front, and an empty Cross on the back? That would be better, IMO.

semperfidelis
May 3rd, 2006, 06:20 PM
I was just wondering your thoughts on this. I personally think that your body is a temple for the spirit and you should keep it holy by not mutilating it.:):

With the way the world is going, more and more people begin to accept it.

With the T.V. shows like Miami Ink and others, it shows.

16% of all Americans adults have tattoos.

Ages 30 to 39, 28% have at least one.

If you look at people 25- 29, more than a third of that population has one or more tattoos (36%).

People in the gay, lesbian and bisexual population (regardless of age) were also close to the one in three mark at 31%.
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Just thought I'd put it out there. Opinions???

I would not recommend it once you are saved as I do not think it is something wise. However, what about those that have tattoes. I have five from the Marine Corps. What about the congregation that has tattoes?

I will put it this way. I do not think it is wise, but I do not think it is something that is going to separate you from the love of God and salvation.

God is bigger than all that.

New Hope
May 3rd, 2006, 06:32 PM
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If not even these things can keep us from God, how can a tatoo? Just throwing that in there to think about.

boxer77
May 3rd, 2006, 06:42 PM
I agree I dont think it is wise either to get one. To many health problems can arise ect. ect.

Empyrean
May 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM
I have "Adonai Elohim" tattooed in Hebrew on the back of my neck. It may sound strange, but I did it to show my affection for my "Dad". Just a personal thing between Him and me. I also find it to be a cool way of witnessing to people. They see my tattoo and ask, "What does that mean?". Then I get to say, "It says, Adonai Elohim, which is Hebrew for My Lord God." Then, they say, "Are you Jewish?" Then I say, "No, I am a Christian." Sometimes I think about putting Yeshua below it, but it looks nice just the way it is.

Strnghrt
May 3rd, 2006, 09:48 PM
I don't judge those with tats. But Jesus still on the Cross is one of satan's favorites. It reminds him of that brief time when he thought he was victorious, that he had defeated God's plan. Then Jesus Rose.

How about one tat showing a facsimile of Jesus with His name on the front, and an empty Cross on the back? That would be better, IMO.
I won't wear a crusifix for this reason. Jesus is no longer on the cross... He has risen!

kidsintow123
May 5th, 2006, 12:15 AM
We are only under the laws of Leviticus as they are restated in the New Testament. The Levitical laws makes cheeseburgers and different combined fabrics sinful. Now, i you can find where Jesus says tattoos are sinful or perhaps Paul or John, then I'll have to consider agreeing with you.

Actually cheeseburgers are only unlawful to those that follow the laws of the rabbis. I do not recall reading anything in Leviticus that tells me that certain fabrics are forbidden. Rabbinical kosher laws forbid eating meat and dairy together. Biblical kosher does not. You just cannot boil baby animals in their mother's milk then eat that mess (YUCK!!).

Jael
May 5th, 2006, 12:31 AM
I do not recall reading anything in Leviticus that tells me that certain fabrics are forbidden.

Lev 19:19 ...neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Deu 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

kidsintow123
May 5th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Lev 19:19 ...neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Deu 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

ty

sealed
May 6th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I have my ears pierced (only once in each ear) while I would not have a tattoo...my question is where is the line drawn... can ear piercing can be looked at as mutilation/ sinful adornment....maybe the style of earrings/ tattoos is what can be considered sinful (I have seen cross earrings and Jesus tattoos---devil tattoos and skull earrings)
just a though....

DWalker
May 6th, 2006, 10:43 AM
I am tatooed from elbow to shoulder on both arms (pre-salvation). I wouldn't say I'm ashamed of them (although the pagan-influenced ones tend to raise an eyebrow or two :doh ) but I haven't gotten any in the last 8 years. I feel there are better ways to use my money now.