do baptist belive in rapture &what is difference in southern baptist and babtist ?

[claireanna]

Any help would be great...........Thanks

[HSmomto4]

I am Southern Baptist and yes we believe in the pre-trib rapture. I can't tell you the differences between other Baptist and us. I just know that we are fundamentalist. Why are you asking?

[deafnc77]

do baptist belive in rapture &what is difference in southern baptist and babtist ?

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Any help would be great...........Thanks

yes most do.

Unless it is reformed baptist or a primitive baptist or any calvinist-type baptist.

I don't know what a babtist is. I guess it is a church that babble alot. :heh

[claireanna]

I am Southern Baptist and yes we believe in the pre-trib rapture. I can't tell you the differences between other Baptist and us. I just know that we are fundamentalist. Why are you asking?

I go to a baptist church and its understood that they do not talk about end times and precher never talks about it not in 7 years
One time asked something why they just looked at me like:freaked
I have not said anything sence.. thank for the fast reply

[deafnc77]

I go to a baptist church and its understood that they do not talk about end times and precher never talks about it not in 7 years
One time asked something why they just looked at me like:freaked
I have not said anything sence.. thank for the fast reply


Some baptists do not want to get caught up with end-times. Instead, they rather focus what is important which is spreading the Gospel of Christ and living in a christian lifestyle. But most do believe in end-times.

[matheteou]

yes most do.

Unless it is reformed baptist or a primitive baptist or any calvinist-type baptist.

I don't know what a babtist is. I guess it is a church that babble alot. :hehNot sure were you got your information, but there are reformed baptists who are also pre-trib and most dispensationalists are of a calvinistic bent, maybe not a full 5-point or hyper-calvinists, but calvinists none the less.

[LivingForChrist]

I am part of an independent baptist church in Australia and the church was started by a preacher that came out from Texas about 30 years ago. He had a great interest in end times preaching and is why I love the topic so much now. So from my point of view, yes, baptists do believe in the literal pre-trib rapture.

[TEXASGRANDMA]

I went to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston, Texas and our Pastor not only believed in the rapture but he wrote a book on Revlations and did several studies on the end times. He is 78 now and is still looking forward to the Rapture.

We now attend Sylvan Way Baptist in Washington and our Pastor believes the Rapture can take place any times. We are doing a study at the moment on Prophecy. Our teacher said that he used to believe that the tribulation would be first before the rapture but after 7 years of deep study and much prayer, he said that God gave him a great assurance that the rapture will be before the tribulation. He feels the rapture will be soon.

I believe that you can be caught up with the end times and still be focused on spreading the Gospel. In fact knowing that our time is short for sharing the Good News of Jesus should make us work harder.

[deafnc77]

Not sure were you got your information, but there are reformed baptists who are also pre-trib and most dispensationalists are of a calvinistic bent, maybe not a full 5-point or hyper-calvinists, but calvinists none the less.


because most I talked to don't believe in.

especially on forums.

[MidnightCry]

I attend a baptist church. Our pastor's teaching is awesome; however, other people told us that he taught a Revelation series right before we started attending that included a POST-TRIB rapture :tape. I "questioned" him about it at one point and he said that the rapture is a new theory . . . so, obviously, not ALL baptist churches teach pre-trib. We still go there because it has so many other great things about it.

[claireanna]

oops not babtist but baptist:doh sllip of the fingers or the brain:D:

[Schumacher]

Since baptist churches are congregationally governed, then it's going to vary. While they will all agree on the fundamentals of salvation, there will be dsiagreement on end times. I go to a Baptist church in which there are people of all prophetic persuasions. One of our elders is very clearly anti-Christian Zionist and into covenant theology, another is a pre-trib Christian Zionist, so there's no set answer!

As far as Southern Baptists go though, I'm sure the majority are pre-trib.

[catchaway]

I belong to an independent Baptist church and we believe in a pre trib rapture. My minister preaches on end times but only occassionally. He does however, mention a lot with other sermons that we are living in the end times.

[sealed]

Independent Baptist church I go to preaches about pre-trib rapture and end times....I also heard a sermon on radio the other day by the late Adrian Rogers (i think he was the head of the SBC??) about the rapture and end times.

[PanTerra]

I don't know what a babtist is. I guess it is a church that babble alot. :heh

Uh, what is alot? :lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skitt's_law

In the SBC church that I grew up in, under George W. Truett it was post trib, then when W. A. Criswell came it switched to pre-trib.:wacko

[alternate]

Some Southern Baptist friends of mine do.

[dramama]

I was raised in a fundamentalist baptist church and even went to school there, now go to a southern baptist church. both believed in pre-trib rapture and that Christ is coming soon. I think they vary by preacher and affiliation. the church I grew up in wasn't affiliated with any national baptist convention or organization, the one I attend now is defiantely southern baptist affiliate. Our pastor hasn't preached on anything end-times related (although his beliefs come out during regular sermons) but in one Bible study we are learning Matthew and in another we are studying I Thessalonians. Both contain end-times and eschatological material.

[alabama35565]

i can't speak for all Baptist but this one does beleive .......i'm pre-trib:clap

[Ladybug]

I grew up independent Baptist and I was taught prophecy and end times 30 years ago. And pre-trib rapture. Think LaHaye and Falwell. :lol

[igirocks]

All,
Generally Baptists as traditionally known has always believed in the RAPTURE! However, Make no mistake lately groups of "progressives" are comprised of many different denominations even baptists.
With that said the only difference between us and them is We are Traditionalists / Fundamentalists or Evangelical and they are known as Progressives / Liberal.
This line is quickly being drawn between these words as to seperate the real christians from the crazy, mean spirited ones who take the HOLY WORD as infalliable and unalterable!


Look up JESUS is coming Soon Soon..... Tick Tock tick.....:wave

:wave HI JESUS!

[Morningstarlet]

I belong to an independent Baptist church and we believe in a pre trib rapture. My minister preaches on end times but only occassionally. He does however, mention a lot with other sermons that we are living in the end times.

Same here. :nod

[70thWeek]

I thought that an essential Baptist doctrine is that no Baptist may speak on behalf of another in terms of doctrine. So, you would have to ask each Baptist what he or she believes. Of course, the SBC broke this idea when they forced people to sign the Baptist Faith and Message.

[dank]

:lol Sorry couldn't resist

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, “Stop! Don’t do it! . . . There’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?” I said, “Well, are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.” I said, “Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?” He said, “Christian.” I said, “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?” He said, “Baptist!” I said, “Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?” He said, “Baptist Church of God!” I said, “Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or Reformed Baptist Church of God?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God!” I said, “Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915.” I said, “Die, heretic scum,” and pushed him off.

[keela1979]

yes most do.

Unless it is reformed baptist or a primitive baptist or any calvinist-type baptist.

I don't know what a babtist is. I guess it is a church that babble alot. :heh

Thats funny!!!:lol :laugh :pound :spit

[SuzyJ27]

Any help would be great...........Thanks

I go to Missionary Baptist and we do believe in the pre-trib Rapture. We take the bible literal. My preacher preaches about the end times a lot, especially this year. More and more because he realises we are in the end times. I used to go to a regular Baptist church years ago and they believed the exact same way. I have never been to a southern Baptist church though.

[lvisnjo]

Some baptists do not want to get caught up with end-times. Instead, they rather focus what is important which is spreading the Gospel of Christ and living in a christian lifestyle. But most do believe in end-times.
Well, The Lord had something else to say if you'll remember as he was coming into Jerusalem on the donkey. He wept over the city and said that, "Because you did not recognize the TIME of your visitation".....that they would be destroyed and left to their enemies (paraphrasing).

How specifically would the people in the Lord's day have known the TIME of their visitation? By reading the book of Daniel who lived something like 550 years before the Lord was born. The book of Daniel gave "specific" time as to the general time frame that the Lord was coming. But like today, the more important things were being done, right?

They should've known the "general" time frame that the Lord was coming. The Lord obviously "expected" them to know it or He wouldn't have said what He said when He said, "Because you did not recognize the TIME of your visitation". If the Lord expected them in His day to know the general time frame, what makes you think you won't be held accountable now after all the prophecy that clearly shows the time frame of His coming in the rapture for the Church? Read: Matthew 24, 2nd Thess chapter 2, The book of Rev etc. etc.. There will be no excuse for the Church today to not have been prepared for the Lord. None.

[nana2boys]

i've been a baptist by choice, for 40 plus years. i've always been taught pre-trib, and all the baptist churches that i have attended taught end times. i will not attend a church does not teach that the bible is the word of God. i like a church that believes that if one part of the bible is true, then all the bible is true. i do not like the religons that pick and choose what part of the bible they want to believe.

[elac]

I've attended Southern Baptist churches for going on 50 years and went to a Southern Baptist college. They all went with a pretrib rapture. In fact, I didn't really know there was any other school of thought until my 30s. :lol

[TradaPIB]

Reformed baptist pre-tribber right here! Yee-ah!

[whiplash]

I've attended Southern Baptist churches for going on 50 years and went to a Southern Baptist college. They all went with a pretrib rapture. In fact, I didn't really know there was any other school of thought until my 30s. :lol

Southern Baptist (almost as a birthright) and never was taught anything but a Pre-Trib Rapture and a literal, soon to come Judgement (The Day of the Lord). As an adult, I was "shocked" to learn many thought otherwise. I've gotten over that shock and realize that many have been taught differently, but I stick with what I have been taught.

PS to 70th Week...I never had to "sign" The Baptist Faith and Message to be a Southern Baptist (though I am familiar with that document). Your statement may be true of other Southern Baptists (not one that I know), but I never had to sign off on anything.

[matheteou]

Southern Baptist (almost as a birthright) and never was taught anything but a Pre-Trib Rapture and a literal, soon to come Judgement (The Day of the Lord). As an adult, I was "shocked" to learn many thought otherwise. I've gotten over that shock and realize that many have been taught differently, but I stick with what I have been taught.

PS to 70th Week...I never had to "sign" The Baptist Faith and Message to be a Southern Baptist (though I am familiar with that document). Your statement may be true of other Southern Baptists (not one that I know), but I never had to sign off on anything.I believe the IMB has its missionaries sign the 2000 BFM, but that sort of makes sense to me, if you are going to be sponsored (financially, etc) by an organization, that group should be able to expect you to represent their views rather than some possible view from left field.

IMO the BFM is good as far as it goes but then I am dispensational and calvinistic (>=4 points) with reformed tendancies, and Southern Baptist by association.

[soprano]

I've attended Southern Baptist churches for going on 50 years and went to a Southern Baptist college. They all went with a pretrib rapture. In fact, I didn't really know there was any other school of thought until my 30s. :lol

Same here for both me and dh!:D:

deb

[Comfort me]

Baptist and pretrib here.

[Magdalene]

Im an Indep Baptist...

BUT, Im probably technically a Mid-Tribber or Post Trib and HOPE for pre-trib...:thumb

My pastor preaches Pre-Wrath...{Is that Mid-Trib, because Im not sure....} and does believe in the Rapture.

My church does teach that Christians will definitely be undergoing some persecution in the last days.

[Comfort me]

Im an Indep Baptist...

BUT, Im probably technically a Mid-Tribber or Post Trib and HOPE for pre-trib...:thumb

My pastor preaches Pre-Wrath...{Is that Mid-Trib, because Im not sure....} and does believe in the Rapture.

My church does teach that Christians will definitely be undergoing some persecution in the last days.

I'm indep Bap and are you certain that your pastor is not teaching pre trib? Every Baptist church I've been in taught pre trib rapture. We are under persecution now, IMO. All of these false doctrines appearing and the constant bashing of our Lord on shows like the Simpsons and trash like Family guy. This only reassures me that the Lord Jesus Christ is king!

[God's gardener]

Our Church believes in the Rapture, but will not take a stand between pre-trib, mid-trib, and post trib. Although everyone that I have talked to personally is pre-trib. I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and was raised pre-trib. (Cuz it's right!!:heh)

[Rev21]

My pastor preaches Pre-Wrath...{Is that Mid-Trib, because Im not sure....} and does believe in the Rapture.

The Mid trib rapture theory is that it occurs 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation.

The Pre Wrath rapture theory is that it occurs before the wrath of God is poured out upon the earth (usually acknowledged by prewrathers as the bowl judgements). The timing is believed to be after the 3 1/2 year point and before the end of the tribulation. I don't know if prewrathers believe that they have a timing to the rapture (ie - 40 months after the start of the tribulation) or if they just believe that it will occur sometime during that time frame.

In short, the prewrath rapture and the midtrib rapture are not the same. :B:

[ALIZUMBA]

the reason the southern baptist split from the baptist was the issue of slaves.
during the mid 1800's they split from the baptist because they thoght having slaves was ok and the northen or origanal baptist did not.

[truth child]

Each church is it's own.... Southern Baptists are more conservative and northern Baptists are more liberal...but each church is free to have the pastor of its choice and he usually expounds on his belief, but by and large Southern Baptists stick to the literal word of God as was taught by W. A Criswell, a wonderful man of God. So pick your body of believers that are closer to your view. They are not bound by liturgies, rituals etc, but do meet and fellowship at conventions and share with each other their own teachings and beliefs....like Sunday School literature etc....no hierarchy to tell the pastors what to teach or preach.... seemingly some churches are accidentally letting wolves sneak in, but that is happening in all denominations. I will let ministers alone if they're different to my beliefs to a degree, because I don't have it all down, but I will tell them what I believe also....along with the scriptures. You know, seminaries don't teach them everything, correctly (professors). Young ministers don't come away knowing it all.... and a lot of professors are way out there as in any school (such as how to deal with committees, how to treat women, the financial part etc)...but those chosen of God get it the hard way, anyway from lots of personal studying. As in any type of job, school doesn't teach you, but it's ON THE JOB training that gets it. It is imperative for your church to teach each and every person what's in the Bible so your church body will know what's right in the eyes of the Lord to better discern whether your pastor is in the Truth.

[Schumacher]

“Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915.” I said, “Die, heretic scum,” and pushed him off.

Genius :pound

[JoelH]

In general, Baptists have congregational styles of governance, and it can be said that no "uniform beliefs" exist. But in practice Baptist don't hold historical Christendom doctrinal developments as highly as mainline Protestants do, and unlike mainline Protestants, the 66-book Scriptures rather than ante-Nicene church fathers' interpretations of the Scriptures is treated as the ultimate source of authority by Baptists. Which means that Baptists often read the Bible literally according to the plain sense of it rather than "what happened in Church history, and how do the Church Fathers interpret it". Because of this, on the issue of prophecy most will read there is a rapture.

In practice this means Baptists in the United States will agree there is a rapture, and co-incodentially most will agree a pre-tribulational one, unless you are some extremely Reformed-leaning Baptist Christains. I have met one from another forum and he claims he hasn't made a stand regarding prophecy as he hasn't studied it, but he also said he believes Israel and Church being one entity, which means he probably believes in no rapture.

I don't think this is the case for Baptist churches in Britain or Australasia though. As someone said on another post above, in British Baptist churches you could have a deep Covenant theology type serving as elders etc. I believe this is probably related to the historical doctrinal developments in British Baptist churches. They tend to have more Reformed theology developments across the board, and most would be very similar to Presbyterians except the mode of baptism and church government. Also note that two noted preachers from the British Baptist scene, C.H. Spurgeon and Martyn Lloyd-Jones, were both amillennial. American Reformed Baptists who are amillennial also try go this route and claim "historical Baptist doctrinal developments, which had its origins in England, tend to be anti-chialistic".

In Asia things are more interesting. Baptist churches planted with the aid of American Baptist missionaries (whether SBC, ABA, GARB, etc) are pre-trib and they form the Baptist associations in these places, while those planted by missionaries from Britain's Baptist Union are amillennial and tend to have joined Congregational and Presbyterian churches in these regions into forming a new association called "Church of ..." and participate in Presbyterian/Reformed church outreach activities.

YBIC,

Joel

[CountryPerson]

My church does teach that Christians will definitely be undergoing some persecution in the last days.

I chose to BOLD the "will" and "be" because it's already happening. Not only in China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc., but right here in America. Did any of you happen to see R. Warren on L. King Live and how he spoke about the fundamentalist Christians? Does anybody see anything wrong with this picture?

[God's gardener]

I chose to BOLD the "will" and "be" because it's already happening. Not only in China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc., but right here in America. Did any of you happen to see R. Warren on L. King Live and how he spoke about the fundamentalist Christians? Does anybody see anything wrong with this picture?

I didn't see it. What did he say?

[AnotherOldGuy]

what is difference in southern baptist and babtist ?
There is no real answer to that question. The Southern Baptist Convention is not a 'denomination' like Methodist or Episcopalian. The SBC is not a governing body. It is an association of like-minded (not necessarily identically-minded) churches primarily for missions purposes. It does not dictate beliefs to its member churches - who are autonomous, self governing congregations.

[joyttw]

We used to attend a G.A.R.B. Baptist church, and there was quite a bit of diversity among the leadership on their end times views. Some elders were pretrib premill, some were amill, and at least one (my favorite Bible teacher ever) was posttrib premill. They had hearty debates over the issue but never divided over it. I don't even know the senior pastor's view. The posttrib teacher said that 20 years ago, if he'd voiced his views publicly he would have been branded a heretic.

[JoelH]

We used to attend a G.A.R.B. Baptist church, and there was quite a bit of diversity among the leadership on their end times views. Some elders were pretrib premill, some were amill, and at least one (my favorite Bible teacher ever) was posttrib premill. They had hearty debates over the issue but never divided over it. I don't even know the senior pastor's view. The posttrib teacher said that 20 years ago, if he'd voiced his views publicly he would have been branded a heretic.

Officially GRAB says that a criteria for a church to join GARB is to believe that the Bible teaches dispensational (pre-trb) premillennialism. If anyone in the ministry doesn't believe it, he would have to go somewhere else.

For instance, on the GARBC association site, it explicitly says on its Article of Faith:

http://www.garbc.org/artfaith.php

XIX. Rapture and Subsequent Events

We believe in the premillennial return of Christ, an event which can occur at any moment, and that at that moment the dead in Christ shall be raised in glorified bodies, and the living in Christ shall be given glorified bodies without tasting death, and all shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the seven years of the Tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 51-54; Philippians 3:20, 21; Revelation 3:10.

We believe that the Tribulation, which follows the Rapture of the Church, will be culminated by the revelation of Christ in power and great glory to sit upon the throne of David and to establish the millennial kingdom. Daniel 9:25-27; Matthew 24:29-31; Luke 1:30-33; Isaiah 9:6, 7; 11:1-9; Acts 2:29, 30; Revelation 20:1-4, 6.

In other words, the association on a whole is explicitly pre-trib.

YBIC,

Joel