The Azusa Street Revival Anniversary

[buzzardhut]

I visited a local church last weekend:
http://www.cccdallas.org/index2.htm

They are very nice people and I really enjoyed their music.

I didn't realize they were a charismatic fellowship until I entered and saw the dove symbols everywhere but what really stood out was they kept talking about their up and coming trip to the Azusa Reunion:
http://www.azusastreet100.net/press_release06.cfm

What are your thoughts on this phenomenon?

Is this group connected with the Rodney Browne movement in Toronto?

I know they are not Vineyard because the Vineyard church is one block down the street.

They actually started in Austrailia!

[mandoman]

Are you looking for a synopsis of the Azusa St. Revival?

If so, it was a three year revival in Los Angeles that eventually spawned most of the major Pentecostal denominations, the largest of which is the Assemblies of God. It was led by William Seymour, who taught that speaking in tongues was the evidence of Holy Spirit baptism.

Although I wasn't around at the time, my guess is that it was pretty controversial. :laugh

[Joel]

It was, and still is.

[BHiles]

controversial is an understatement. If you read many of the historical accounts you will find multiplied occultic practices during that three year period that have no basis in christianity nor the Bible. Sadly azusa is worshipped as revival it was nothing of the sort.

[boxer77]

I dont know I wasent there.

[UNeverEverNo]

If you read many of the historical accounts you will find multiplied occultic practices during that three year period that have no basis in christianity nor the Bible. Sadly azusa is worshipped as revival it was nothing of the sort.
Where would I be able to find this information?

[Patty T]

Where would I be able to find this information?


Maybe somewhere in here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Asuza+Street+Revival&btnG=Google+Search

[BHiles]

Go to Google and type Azusa occult and you will find a plethra of writings and quotes from those who were there. It is astonishing that an entire denomination was based on this.

[Sabrina]

Oh no!http://sliceoflaodicea.com
Benny Hin on the front page, scroll down until you see his picture, there is an artical on the Auza st. revival ..:nono

[buzzardhut]

This is enough for me to realize the source:

On Tuesday April 25, 2006, the Faith Dome at Crenshaw Christian Center (that’s Fred Prices church) will host the Azusa Street Believers Convention.
Keynote speakers are Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Benny Hinn.

Does anyone know anything about this Christian City Church ?
http://www.c3iglobal.org/

[rancherswife]

All I know is TBN is promoting it non-stop. That can't be a good thing.

[buzzardhut]

All I know is TBN is promoting it non-stop. That can't be a good thing.
That's probably a tell tale sign

[Brad MetalMan]

Go to Google and type Azusa occult and you will find a plethra of writings and quotes from those who were there. It is astonishing that an entire denomination was based on this.

The lengths people will do to discredit the whole thing. The revival pushed many boundries that many felt uncomfortable. People of all nations and ethnicities worshipped together. The barrier between black and white was erased. It was egaliterian. Men and women worshipped together and spoke the word of the Lord to each other.

[buzzardhut]

The lengths people will do to discredit the whole thing. The revival pushed many boundries that many felt uncomfortable. People of all nations and ethnicities worshipped together. The barrier between black and white was erased. It was egaliterian. Men and women worshipped together and spoke the word of the Lord to each other.
That happened at Pentecost.

[monavale]

That happened at Pentecost.
It's still happening!

[Joel]

That happened at Pentecost.

Well since Pentecost man has sought to reestablish those barriers. It's a sad, cold hard fact of church history.

[yellowbo]

I don't know much about it. But I did google it, and it would appear that it did do some good things, However it also looks as if it DOES in fact have some occultic tones.

Kind of like John Wimber and his type. They start out good, and then it goes down hill and embraces new age type of stuff from there.

[Lexie]

I believe men like Whitefield, Spurgeon, Wesley ect were "Spirit filled". We are sealed "spirit filled" the moment of salvation. The Methodists that arose sometime after Wesley, started this movement. If you look at the history, you can see who the people are and what they taught. they believe in two baptisims, the second one being the filling of the holy spirit, this is only evidenced by tongues to them, thier will over God's will, maniested sons of god, latter rain, ect. .

They claim to be prophets and Apostles, they follow signs and wonders and say we are god's?

The Methodists John Alexander Dowie says he was the prophet Elijah, Parham Azusa street, Seymour who was Parhams student, Branham says he was the prophet Elijah, Kathryn Khulman, Amy Mcpherson.

Hagin, Oral, Hinn, Copeland, Charles Capps who Copeland ordained.

Here are some titles of books from the god man Charles Capps, who was ordained by Copeland..

"Releasing the ability of God through prayer".

Prayer is governed by spiritual laws, and is designed to work for you, it is more powerful then the laws of nature that rule the universe today. When you learn to pray faith filled words, you release God's ability and bring him on the scene, on your behalf

"Angels: Knowing Their Purpose, Releasing Their Power" "End Time Events Journey To The End Of The Age" "When Jesus Prays Through You : Releasing The Infinite Power Of Heaven In Your Life".

I was raised in this, I saw things I hope to never see again, it hurts people. The will and word of God are powerful, not men,. My aunt is a Merhodist and Eckencar.

1Cr 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:2 Grace [be] to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.



Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

[Joel]

they believe in two baptisims, the second one being the filling of the holy spirit,
Most Pentecostals and Charismatics do.

this is only evidenced by tongues to them, thier will over God's will, maniested sons of god, latter rain, ect. .
Manifest Sons of God/Latter Rain theology didn't creep in until the 1940's.
This outpouring took place in 1900-1906.

You can't lump them all together.

They claim to be prophets and Apostles,
Some believe these offices are still in effect, just in a changed capacity. A certain former resident rabbi did as much. And many charismatics do, who are NOT WoF.

they follow signs and wonders
I don't know about following signs and wonders. I know men who do, and that is wrong. But scripture does say signs and wonders should follow us [as we preach the gospel]... not us follow them.

The subtle difference.

[buzzardhut]

Well since Pentecost man has sought to reestablish those barriers. It's a sad, cold hard fact of church history. Yes, I should have said that it started at Pentecost, and that Satan and man's flesh have been trying hard to push it back.
As far as Azusa being a manifestation or another eruption of Pentecost - I don't know.
I wasnt there, but what I do know is that there has been a lot of occultism and fakery asscociated with charismania and none associated with the original Pentecost. (and later in Acts you will see fake manifestations of the Holy Spirit)

Satan is a great counterfieter and that is why if you are going to spend a great deal of time with the charismatics you need stronger discernment to identify the wolves from the sheep.

And most charismatics do not have a great discernment, they swollow everything hook line and sinker and crack open their wallets way too freely.

[buzzardhut]

I believe men like Whitefield, Spurgeon, Wesley ect were "Spirit filled". We are sealed "spirit filled" the moment of salvation. The Methodists that arose sometime after Wesley, started this movement. If you look at the history, you can see who the people are and what they taught. Yes, Good Spirit filled men. :thumb

they believe in two baptisims, the second one being the filling of the holy spirit, this is only evidenced by tongues to them, thier will over God's will, maniested sons of god, latter rain, ect. . Yes, The men above are quite different from that!

They claim to be prophets and Apostles, they follow signs and wonders and say we are god's?

The Methodists John Alexander Dowie says he was the prophet Elijah, Parham Azusa street, Seymour who was Parhams student, Branham says he was the prophet Elijah, Kathryn Khulman, Amy Mcpherson.

Hagin, Oral, Hinn, Copeland, Charles Capps who Copeland ordained.
These men are not cut from the same mold as your first list
Here are some titles of books from the god man Charles Capps, who was ordained by Copeland..

"Releasing the ability of God through prayer".

Prayer is governed by spiritual laws, and is designed to work for you, it is more powerful then the laws of nature that rule the universe today. When you learn to pray faith filled words, you release God's ability and bring him on the scene, on your behalf

"Angels: Knowing Their Purpose, Releasing Their Power" "End Time Events Journey To The End Of The Age" "When Jesus Prays Through You : Releasing The Infinite Power Of Heaven In Your Life".
Red Alert!

I was raised in this, I saw things I hope to never see again, it hurts people. The will and word of God are powerful, not men,. My aunt is a Merhodist and Eckencar.
Eckankar is a false cult for sure. Many Methodist churches have fallen into Spiritism.

Charismatics need the gift of discernment over the gift of tongues and babblings.

Learn from the Tower of Babylon.

The Tower of Babylon received judgment from God, not blessings, God confounded the languages to create a miscommunication and a dispersion.
Pentecost united, not scattered, the people so that all languages could know the gospel and take it back to their home towns and villages.

Today's pentecostal experiences divide the church and include babblings no one can understand like at the Tower of Babylon.

True salvation and public water baptism unites the church bringing the fellowship together under one true testimony - The True Salvation of the Real Jesus Christ!

That is what all Christians should be focusing on. The rest is fodder.

[Lexie]

Buzzardhut,

Below is the line up for Azusa street.

This is a recent New York times article concerning the false signs teachers.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/relig_inst_new_additions_prosperity_times_jan15_05.htm



CBN interview with Bill Hamon
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/Discipleship/hamon0212.asp

Peter Wagner and Bill Hamon from Azusa street click on the audio vidio link to see a few of the teachers of the new prophets.
http://www.wagnerleadership.ca/#

These are the Azusa street teachers

http://www.azusastreet100.net/events.htm

General Session (LACC) 9:00 A.M.
Theme: Holy Spirit Baptism
Featured Speaker: Charles Blake

Apostolic and Prophetic Ministry Today, Bill Hamon, Chair

Track Description
The Azusa Street revival was birthed and sustained in intercessory prayer. Over the last several years the revival of prayer movements in the nations has been a wonderful, supernatural phenomena. These sessions will celebrate what the Holy Spirit is doing through those who are praying. New models of intercession and their results will be examined. Participants will also be given opportunity to connect with other believers in birthing and sustaining the moving of the Holy Spirit in our generation.
Ed Silvoso, Chair
Rick Heeren, Co-Chair

Tuesday, April 25, 2006
WORKSHOP #1 (Tues, 10:15 am)

Workshop Title: How to Turn Secular Business into Kingdom Business through Targeted Intercession

Synopsis: A hands-on, how-to teaching on how to take the power and presence of God to work to turn your job into a ministry.

Leader’s Name: Rev. Ed Silvoso, Harvest Evangelism

WORKSHOP #2 (Tues, 11:30 am)

Workshop Title: Extraordinary Miracles

Synopsis: Learn how to be used by God as a channel for extraordinary miracles a la Acts 19:11.

Workshop Description: Could it be that the early church had something that this 21 st century church is lacking? If there was ever a time for the church to go past the point of blessing and into its Pentecostal heritage of true Holy Spirit power and anointing, now is the time! In this special session, Dr. Morris Cerullo will impart the anointing and power of God that has graced his life and ministry to the nations of the world for more than 58 years.

Morris Cerullo, President, Morris Cerullo World Evangelism

International Revival Series (LACC) 7:00 PM
Theme: Europe and the Middle East
Featured Speaker: Benny Hinn

Dynamic Women in Ministry Celebration ( Angelus Temple) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Paula White

Azusa Street Believers’ Convention (Faith Dome) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Kenneth Copeland

William Seymour Memorial Rally (West Angeles Cathedral) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: T.D. Jakes

Azusa Street Believers’ Convention (Faith Dome) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Fred Price

Pastors’ Training Conference (LACC) 2:00 PM
Host: Jack Hayford

Redigging the Wells of Azusa Street (LACC) 2:00 PM
Featured Speakers: Cindy Jacobs

Dynamic Women in Ministry Celebration ( Angelus Temple) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Gloria Copeland

International Revival Series (LACC) 7:00 PM
Theme: Asia Night
Featured Speaker: David Yonggi Cho

Dynamic Women in Ministry Celebration ( Angelus Temple) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Juanita Bynum

Azusa Street Believers’ Convention (Faithdome) 7:00 PM
Featured Speaker: Creflo Dollar

This is the offical AOG statement
http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_of_Fundamental_Truths/sft_short.cfm
WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

The above is wrong. Believers are saved, sealed, filled with the holy spirit, the moment they ask Jesus to forgive thier sins, its called repenting from our sin, that Jesus bore upon himself for us. We are anointed, filled with his Spirit, sealed given gifts, at salvation. Tongues is a real complete language like Farsi, when spoken, it is only understood by a person who understands that language, or by the use of an interpeter, it was used to preach the gospel to unbelievers.Pentecost was a sign and fufillment of an OT prophecy to Israel.

The new signs doctrine, is making people put their faith in their own faith, and in their sign, to prove they are especially anointed and holy spirit filled.. These teachers are saying you are not anointed or holy spirit filled, until you have their sign. Many people do not feel salvation, they feel peace grateful, joyful, they feel burden being lifted from them. I felt somethimg the day I was saved, the holy spirit took me directly to Matthew in the word of God, and told me to stop being so fearful, trust Jesus, and things would work out..

[buzzardhut]

Buzzardhut,

Below is the line up for Azusa street.

This is a recent New York times article concerning the false signs teachers.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/relig_inst_new_additions_prosperity_times_jan15_05.htm


Wow thanx for the lineup :fear
Thats some scary info.
Good research :thumb

[UNeverEverNo]

Acts 2

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 " 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke.

20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.


Seems like some of us are okay with the "signs" and "wonders" part but don't want to acknowledge the "visions", "dreams" and "prophesy" part. :confused

[TrojansFan]

This is enough for me to realize the source:

On Tuesday April 25, 2006, the Faith Dome at Crenshaw Christian Center (that’s Fred Prices church) will host the Azusa Street Believers Convention.
Keynote speakers are Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Benny Hinn.

Does anyone know anything about this Christian City Church ?
http://www.c3iglobal.org/


Yeah, I've seen this AZUSA stuff being advertised on TBN lately. If it has Benny Hinn and stuff, I don't think I'll get involved. :freaked :wacko

[Gods Trombone]

The best way I can react to the talk of "Azusa St."
Is to quote: (Romans 10:2,3)

1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


I suspect the "revival" of false "Pentecostal activity"
was satan's work in reaction to the rediscovery of Pauline truth by folk like J.N. Darby et al which occurred in the approximate same time period, I believe.

Just a thought.:confused

[buzzardhut]

The best way I can react to the talk of "Azusa St."
Is to quote: (Romans 10:2,3)

I suspect the "revival" of false "Pentecostal activity"
was satan's work in reaction to the rediscovery of Pauline truth by folk like J.N. Darby et al which occurred in the approximate same time period, I believe.

Just a thought.

Hmmm
Probably so, satan always has a counterattack.