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BHiles
February 27th, 2006, 11:14 AM
An embarassing confession of my sinful past.:redface

I was abusive in the modern sense of the word.

Now on RR you have read some of the comments I have written concerning the man's role and how He should love his wife. I have had feedback that was so appreciative of what I had written and yet those were comments coming from someone who had to learn those things through the trials of life. I have had so many nice things said to me about what I believe and write. I have been showered with all kinds of undeserved accolades all the while knowing that as I write these were not platitudes of things I read in a book but things I learned through life's very hard lessons - Through disasterous mistakes that I made. Through, by most accounts should have ended any chance to ever have a succesful marriage or any marriage at all. I write as if I were a new christian that became one after having crucified many being the very chiefest of sinners. Not that I equate myself with Paul but I understand the feelings of inadequcy of myself in relaying these truths.

I was coming fom a very controlled family that as I was ending my teenage years completely fell apart. I desperately tried to hang on to some sort of sanity with everything I could and left home and got married in order to establish some sense of a controlled normalcy.

I controlled all the money. All her time. All her travel. Everything about her. I didn't let her drive. I didn't let her have friends. I kept her her from her famly.

I was immature.

It wasn't until about 12 years ago I discovered how wrong I was.
About 14 years ago my wife was depressed. We were out of God's Will. we were out of the place of God's Will. I put in long hours and she was at home taking care of the children 24/7 w ith little involvement from me. I felt the stress. I was very hard on her. Emotionally abusive and moody. I would throw things hit walls, break things etc. She was despondent that nothing was ever going to change. She, trying to figure out what to do called a woman's shelter. They said get out immediately. Take everything you can get your hands on. Clear out the bank accounts (regardless of checks bouncing) take it all. Take the money out of his wallet. Take the children. Take the cars. They wanted to secure her away and I would basically have no idea what happened to her. I would not know where she was at or where the children were.

Now in the mindset I was in that type of Mutually Assured Destruction most likely would have ended our marriage. It would have sunk me in to a further tightning of my grip on everything because I was loosing everything.


Men don't come out of the box with how to treat their wives. It is a learned and acquired facet that for the most part is completly missing. It takes time to mature and grow in the Lord. I don't care how long you have been a believer our baser instincts need to be crucified and the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives perfects us into becoming Christ Like. To a man, woman is naturally a frustration to deal with just in the natural course of things. I am sure the ladies could say the same about us. Men come with all the tools to do what they need to for God but IMHO it takes a wife to take those pieces and help them through the guidance of the Holy Spirit the complete man they need to be.

Finally about 12 years ago the lights began to come on for me. Now we have been married for 23 years. So she lived this way pretty much all of those 11 years. We went for counselling from a pastor at our church. He asked me direct questions and I was completely honest and agreed with everything my wife said. Which infuriated her. (There was an Everybody Loves Raymond episode in which He did this with the same result thought the episode had not aired yet When it did I laughed and laughed) But I truly did agree with everything she said. I struggled for about 6 months with a decision to end my pursuit of a particular ministry and to do the things that needed to be done in my marriage. It was not overnight. It took quite a whie for me to even understand that which needed to be done. I was completely clueless. But by listening to the advice of my pastor and getting around other men who were successful I learned a lot of key ingredients to a more fruitful life. The realization that my failure in the area of my family was actually destroying 80% of what could be accomplished though me because I could only see life as me. This is the key. Mostly it has to do with selfishness. Selfishness is the desroyer and it is a powerful weapon in satan's hands. Once he has esablished it in one's life he can just walk away as the individual will continue down that destructive path all on their own opening all kinds of doors to sin with the iniquity of self.

I finally discovered a sense of who she was in Christ and Who I was to be in Christ.

I realized a few things.
1. God was not going to bless me with any ministry until I tended to the one He already gave me.
2. I may have emotionally loved my wife but their was no communicating of love to her and love uncommunicated is no love at all
3. I would fail my children miserably by not loving their mother. They needed to have their father love their mother as an example for them and they needed a father to represent Jesus in the Home.
4. It was my job to help my wife be all that she could be in Jesus Christ first.

The results thus far:
1. My wife after much fear (that I probably caused) did learn to drive and I bought her a new minivan which she cares for much better than I ever would have.
2. She recorded to CDs that have been used for missionaries to raise money for supporting their work and that of their mission boards.\
3. We began to esablish ties with her family and began doing things for them which helped her with much healing in her own life of relationships and past hurts.
4. She and I wrote a book that is now in its third printing dealing with her childhood sexual abuse. The book was released last october and an expaded edition is being finished now that our publisher is wanting to shop to Zondervan and/or Nelson. The Book has been used at a large women's conference and we have been flooded with people telling her how much the book meant to them and how much it helped them deal with issues in their own lives.
5. Our oldest son is graduating from seminary this May. He is getting married and plans to get his masters before beginning his desire to be a Senior Pastor. He currently is a Sudnay School Teacher. Captain of a sunday School Bus Route and works in our church's blind department.
6. Our middle child is 17. He plans on attending seminary and begin his work to become a missionary.
7. Our youngest son who is just coming off of the years of wanting to be GI Joe and a Policman to begin talking of wanting to be someone who goes out and plants churches (in wicked cities-his words) of course at ten we don't know what his future holds but we are excited his mind is thinking in that manner.
We never did anything to prompt our children to go into ministry. We always wanted them to live for God but living for God can be just as well many times better done by layman. But whenever they brought up the subject we were always supportive.
8. I love my wife. Not just emotionally. I love her on a plain I never knew existed.
9. We are heavily involved in ministry that is so very exciting. Beyond my wildest dreams.
10. We have been dreaming of new ways in which God can use us. Not just me saying we are going to do this but as partners in this life for the cuase of Christ and the journey is so much more fun when you have a partner on the road with you.

The wisdom that my wife showed in the manner in which she dealt with my sin had a overwhelming and powerful effect on me and my children. It was she that held the course and dealt with things in a loving correction that made all the difference in our marriage and our children's futures. Many people as a result of her faithfulness have been helped through her ministry and now as a result of the ministries that my oldest is working in.
All of that would have come crashing down had she has just given up on me.

I am truly an undeserving blessed man.

Don't hate me because I am a sinner. :redface

markofthebest
February 27th, 2006, 11:22 AM
I'm a control freak too. I know where you are coming from. Not so much toward my family, I except them to micromanage themselves, but professionally I am the worst micro-manager. One reason I hate to fly, I have no control. As a Christian, I need to act like one just as much at work as I do at home. And truthfully, even volunteer stuff I do, I need to be in charge. Now, I know what to do and do it well, and it bugs me to no end to see a project half done or not done as well as it should be...soooooo, I always want to jump in and "fix it." This is my weakness and one that satan continually uses to get me to do the wrong thing.

I applaud your honestly. It is always a step forward when we do know our weaknesses.

Hootmon
February 27th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Amazing Testimony, Brent. Thanks for sharing it.

3. I would fail my children miserably by not loving their mother. They needed to have their father love their mother as an example for them and they needed a father to represent Jesus in the Home.There is nothing more central to a successful family than this, IMO.

Neither your children nor your wife should ever doubt that you love them even when you are being an ass. When we fall we get back up again, and continue the journey. That is how respect is earned.

Elizabeth0
February 27th, 2006, 11:32 AM
Im very impressed with your honesty. You've posted something that can help others (myself included) in their walk with God. It takes a strong man (or woman) to let go. You should be proud of yourself! :nod

HarbingerSinger
February 27th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Don't hate me because I am a sinner. :redfaceNeither the emotion nor the thought ever occurred to me. Thanks for your powerful testimony.

Singlesis
February 27th, 2006, 12:16 PM
BHiles, you are amazing! :hug
You are truly a diamond in the rough.

Black Eye Susan
February 27th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Thanks for sharing, BHiles. :):

deafchristian
February 28th, 2006, 12:12 AM
:pray

A wonderful testimony! I pray those who are struggling the same thing will learn from this.

Servant
February 28th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Wow Brent. What an amazing post. Thank-you so much for sharing your hard-won wisdom. I pray that your testimony (and your book) reaches many people that can benefit from your experiences. :hug :pray

joyfulyredeemed
February 28th, 2006, 08:57 AM
The wisdom that my wife showed in the manner in which she dealt with my sin had a overwhelming and powerful effect on me and my children.

Your wife sounds like a remarkable, wise & selfless woman!

HeXpŁŘi±
February 28th, 2006, 10:08 AM
So Brent, you are human after all.:):
Thanks for sharing. It always gives me hope when my brothers and sisters in Christ communicate their struggles, humanity and imperfections. Keep up the good fight brother.:yay

sandy111
February 28th, 2006, 11:45 AM
thank you for sharing..

can I ask...

why on earth such control over her? like not being allowed to drive,
and to not have her family?

at that time did you not see her as a person?

I'm just trying to understand why a man does these things.
and when she got despondent and perhaps it depends on how far she got despondent how did that affect you?

would you say its all just simply selfishness?

Fervent4Him
February 28th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Bless you, Brent. I pray that many husbands and wives will be blessed and changed by your testimony. Thank you for being willing to share your life with us.

holyspiritvesse
February 28th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Wow! ANd you look so young in your tux!

lisa
March 2nd, 2006, 01:08 PM
Amazing testimony Brent! Praying for you, your family, and your ministry.
The Lord is SO GOOD!!

mamacags
March 3rd, 2006, 11:33 AM
Brent what is the name of your book?

JustGodsChild
March 3rd, 2006, 11:36 AM
Great testimony you have. :thumb

I'm interested in your book because I have extended family who has dealt with sexual abuse, where can I find it?

AnyDayNow
March 3rd, 2006, 01:00 PM
...I am truly an undeserving blessed man.

Don't hate me because I am a sinner...

I can't do that Brent. I'd have to hate myself first, then everyone else after. I just can't do that.

I agree with part of what Hoot said, though. With my wife's relationship, I always made it clear to my kids that they were NEVER to disrespect their mother...EVER. In recent years my kids have come to understand why I did that, and their respect for me has grown as a result. My wife has noticed it too. :):

Seemomgonuts
March 3rd, 2006, 07:28 PM
Wow.....that was an awesome testimony!!!!!!!! :clap God is so very good! :nod

MedicDave
March 4th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Wish I knew you in real life Brent Hiles. I have no Christian friends at all and am in a little struggle with my faith right now. It's a tough, tough world to be the fool that I am.

B A N E
March 4th, 2006, 08:19 AM
:Bump
GP!
BH

faline
March 4th, 2006, 09:41 PM
Wish I knew you in real life Brent Hiles. I have no Christian friends at all and am in a little struggle with my faith right now. It's a tough, tough world to be the fool that I am.

Dave, I've got to tell you that your posts are always an encouragement to me. You bless people more than you think you do.

steph1962
March 4th, 2006, 10:24 PM
God is so good, my brother. You must be a powerful prayer warrior.

"Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much." ~ James 5:16

Stephanie C.

BHiles
March 4th, 2006, 11:11 PM
thank you for sharing..

can I ask...

why on earth such control over her? like not being allowed to drive,
and to not have her family?

at that time did you not see her as a person?

I'm just trying to understand why a man does these things.
and when she got despondent and perhaps it depends on how far she got despondent how did that affect you?

would you say its all just simply selfishness?

I waited to respond to you because splaying myself open wide this way is not an easy thing. It takes thought, time and prayer. And still you will find me struggling. One thing that is important is that by the power of suggestion I wish not to create victims. When one feels that they are facing the hardships of a marriage to use the suggestion of my experience as an excuse to not be diligent in upholding their own responsibility.

It is not the responsiblity of the wife to instruct her husband to love her. Neither is it the responsiblity of the husband to demand submission from the wife. Neither is it the priviledge to withhold the duties of each waiting for the responsiblities of the other to be accomplished.

In true Christianity is the duty of each to fulfil their responsiblities regardless of the others performance. Immediately the hair on the back of the neck of many just stood on end. But this is true obedience to the word of God. This is true sacrificial living. This is true Christlikeness. we have it all wrong today. Far too many complain of being a doormat. And really I do not even want to argue this point. Please don't flame me on this. This is hard enough already. A person who willingly lays down his life for another is not a doormat. He/She is Christ-like. Jesus willingly laid down His life and no one ever called Jesus a "doormat". If it is of self-will with a Godly purpose and in the fear and admonition of the Lord then there is a faith that goes beyond human reasoning and in that faith there is Godly protection and sanctificiation that He will be true to His word. He will bless the obedient servant. And as in my case He will turn the heart of the wicked man to righteuosness and bless and heal the broken hearted in ways never thought possible.


OK, Here goes. (deep breath) :redface

There are many things I could blame my sin on. But I won't because I need to take ownership. If I do not take ownership then there is no way I can lay that sin at the cross. Sin that is excused never gets placed there. I want my sins under the blood.

That being said, we only really understand by our examples first and then by living the experience and seeing the reaction to living out our life. A husband may have an understanding with his wife worked out that He is stronger with money so he controls it and she agrees because she believes that to be best. In the mind of a child unless instructed otherwise they may only see this as the only way in which a marriage is to be. So by example we see things as children and we emulate them without really understanding their understanding. And unless taught otherwise we may see this as the only way. This can occur on many levels. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Unknown to this generation it was not uncommon for women not to drive vehicles 60 years ago. As these things occured generation to generation it may be normal as children understand the roles of the spouses within the home to propigate even til today. This common and not necessariy a bad thing.

What is bad is when a spouse wishes to excercise decision as a free moral agent that those decisions are percieved as a threat to the others authority. The perception of these things as threats is a very good definition of the word wicked.

Biblical wickedness is when one uses authority to constrain or harm others who might or perceived that they might threaten their power.

I could use a lot of psycobabble to explain why one would do this dealing with self-esteem and self perception but the bottom line as I said before deals with selfishness.

We could call it pride but really it cannot come from their because the person engaging in this knows or is afraid of the real truth about themselves and they know they have nothing of which to be prideful. Walls of protection are built to keep everything in check but it is understood that one brick being chipped at the entire facade will crumble so quickly.

Fear would be the higher probability of motivation.
Fear That:

They would be exposed fo the fraud that they are.
They do not deserve their station in life.
They really do not desrve anyone to love them.
In reality they cannot keep it all together.
Their most initimate of secret sins will be exposed.In the very ultimate end is that the lack of a true faith and reliance on God and what Jesus Christ did for them on the cross for their esteem and postion(relationship) with God the Father.

Until I realized who I was in Christ i could not realize who she was in Christ. I coud not realize who whe was to me. I could not realize what our marriage actually was even here for. To be brutally honest until I understood where I stood with God I did not even understand i was doing anything at all wrong. I just thought it was all her fault.

Finally I realized as I said before that it became necessary to be honest. To be honest before God, to be honest with myself, to be honest before her and be honest to my other brothers and sisters in Christ.

Too many times I would go to God and He and I would not talk about certain things. I would not come clean on everything and I would just ignore anything He had to say about that. Because of things that were engaged in earlier in my life by acident or on purpose the physical acts of marriage were tainted. I did not allow God into my bedroom whatsoever.
This in my Opinion is one of the most dangerous aspects of christian marriages today in that we shut the doors to our bedrooms and lock God out on the other side. It is a dangerous and vulnerable enviroment for the marriage to be between two people and not three. God needs to be involved as a witness between you and we think that is an odd thing. We think that we would never allow God there. We have allowed the world to taint the beauty of intimacy as dirty and pervert God's heaven on earth. we take like a dog with a bone and protect it and if God dare comes near it we bark and bite His hand. I allowed for things to enter my mind that should never be there and God was on the outside. She became an object of lust early in marriage and then my mind was allowed to create other objects even when I was with her. Sexually objectifying a woman diminishes them in our minds and is a natural progression of the downward spiral. Satan has bondages galour awaiting a married Christian man who locks God out of the bedroom. Dr. Gary Wiess' book called Intimacy unlocked a world of understanding for me on what happens when we do not include God in this area. He also has course work in which a couple can do to esablish Inimacy in marrage in a Godly manner. I think it is a must read for Chrisitian couples.

Ephesians 5 needs to be really studied by everyone in the Body of Christ. It is so important that we study it and obey every word of it so that we might have correct relationships with others. It deals with most every aspect of human realtionships and it is the preface of how we fight the fight of faith. God knew that these relationship will cause us probably quicker than any other thing to faulter in our walk. God addresses first before even getting to putting on our armour how to walk in our relationships to each others prefaced by verse 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Walk in love, as Christ . . . It is a saccrificial love. And as an example Christ is shown so that when we think life is hard and not fair we look to Christ and seeing Him hanging on a tree, we can say to ourselves I can bear this burden for Christ sake. And as we go through our various relationships as given in Ephesians 5 and we find ourselves seemingly on the short side of the equation, again we go to the preface and see Christ hanging there and say I can go on.

I am no way perfected in this area. This is something that I will contend with probably til my dying day. I must weigh my words carefully, Be quick to ask forgiveness and be sensitive to hear my wife in actions and words when we disagree so I am confident I am finding God's will and not my own. I take steps to care for her partnering with God to do this. I will ask Him what He would want for her and what He would like her to have. I will work to get the resources but also plead her cause. I will pray for things for her and ask that He care for her through me. And I will point out to her His goodness in her life because I want for Him to have the glory.

She is His daughter much more than my wife and it took me far too long for me to realize that :redface





I wrote this in a third person analysis because this is the only way I could get this out. If you replace the third person terminology with me and I instead of "the person" then I think it truly reveals my heart.

Comfort me
March 4th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Brent, I am only 14 months removed from almost destroying my life and marriage. I was also a control freak and it led me to being abusive. I ended up in the hospital and it seemed I had many enemies as many adored my wife. I'm not the easiest person to get to know and many mistake this for arrogance when I am kind of afraid to get close to many people because I have a bad habit of attracting the wrong people. I have come a long ways but the past year has been a war and I have now began to feel some relief. I think due to the fact I'm a much more obedient Christian now. I struggle but I try much harder. I still have some enemies as some don't want to forgive me but I have to try hard not to hate because I'm vindictive. God bless you Brent.

BHiles
March 4th, 2006, 11:38 PM
For those of you that asked. Our book is being readied for its third printing but has been placed on hold until a new set of manuscripts are edited. We have added quite a bit to the book and are including some self study guides. We are doing this at the request of our publisher because they have been overwhelmed with response by those consuling others in this area. It is called Angie: A Healing Story of God's Love. Our publisher Christian Womanhood will re-release the book immediately upon completion as they also intend to shop it to Zondervan and or Nelson. They are currently sold out. I will announce when it is re-release.

My wife and I decided not to recieve any proceeds from the sale of this book. We have designated that they go to Christian Womanhood whose goal is to create Godly publications for Christian Woman and our churches Woman's Shelter. We trust God to bless us as He did Joseph-taking what was meant against her for evil and turning it for God's good.

I only write of this so you understand that this is not a plug for self gain.


Excerpts of some of the testimonial portions were released here on RR in a post http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=1435043#post1435043

Dear2HIM
March 4th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Great post, Brent. Sure wish I could have a long cup of coffee with your wife someday. I imagine that God has given her an enormous amount of wisdom and arm loads of compassion.

deafchristian
March 5th, 2006, 02:39 AM
I wish my mom read your wife's story while she was alive.

sandy111
March 6th, 2006, 06:48 PM
thank you for explaining!

for many of us wemon it gives us an insight into our own lifes!

BHiles
April 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM
:bump

frisian1970
April 18th, 2006, 01:38 AM
:):

Brent.

:amen

frisian1970
April 18th, 2006, 01:44 AM
For those of you that asked. Our book is being readied for its third printing but has been placed on hold until a new set of manuscripts are edited. We have added quite a bit to the book and are including some self study guides. We are doing this at the request of our publisher because they have been overwhelmed with response by those consuling others in this area. It is called Angie: A Healing Story of God's Love. Our publisher Christian Womanhood will re-release the book immediately upon completion as they also intend to shop it to Zondervan and or Nelson. They are currently sold out. I will announce when it is re-release.

My wife and I decided not to recieve any proceeds from the sale of this book. We have designated that they go to Christian Womanhood whose goal is to create Godly publications for Christian Woman and our churches Woman's Shelter. We trust God to bless us as He did Joseph-taking what was meant against her for evil and turning it for God's good.

I only write of this so you understand that this is not a plug for self gain.


Excerpts of some of the testimonial portions were released here on RR in a post http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=1435043#post1435043
Very admirable Brent. For some reason God has placed you on my heart. :noidea :D: Humility, brother.
:):

frisian1970
April 18th, 2006, 01:48 AM
I would add, Brent God has given you many talents. The most of which is your heart, don't be discouraged and don't ignore what HE has placed upon your heart. Don't be afraid to be vulnerable, for He has a purpose for what you expose. His will. Which is perfect, yet we don't always understand what the implications are. But He is touching others through you. Don't shy away.

Mommy2KandM
April 18th, 2006, 10:10 AM
SO glad this was bumped. Never saw it the first time around.

Thanks for your willingness to be open in front of us Brent. :): Praise God for all he has done in your marriage and life! :yay

Laura-bell
April 18th, 2006, 02:18 PM
Thank you so much for sharing that. Everything you learned about yourself, I learned about my daughter's dad. Of course it took several years of growing up in Christ and many nights in prayer. I hated him and wanted him gone. Sadly he is still very unsaved. However, while we may not be together, we are very good friends now. Simply because God has helped me to see him through different eyes. He is slowly coming to realize that he has some major issues. And it "appears" as though he may one day come to faith in Christ. He just seems to be fighting it. But he's realized that since I came to faith 7 years ago my life has changed drastically and for the better. He's even said he wants the same thing for himself. He just doesn't dig authority. And Jesus is that!:):

Mommy2KandM
April 18th, 2006, 02:30 PM
:praying for your Ex Laura-Bell :hug

Chris4Christ
April 18th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Brent, I think it's wonderful that you've opened up the way you have, and I also applaud your wife for following God's will for her life.

But I think it's important to point out, in light of the other thread that prompted this "bump," that it is not God's will for every woman to stay in an abusive marriage. Not all abusive men change their ways...many do not. You say you wouldn't have changed had your wife left. But not all people are like that. Some people need to actually lose something in order to see the value of it. Different situations require different solutions.

I pray that any woman living with an abusive spouse seeks God's will and direction for her life...that she doesn't just assume that she has to stay or that she doesn't just assume that she has to leave.


(Note: Before somebody comes in an hammers me, I am not advocating divorce...AT ALL. But sometimes separation is necessary and helpful.)

Kathe
April 18th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Thanks for sharing!

Resting In Him
April 18th, 2006, 08:03 PM
You have more courage than I have. I would never share as openly as you have. Most of us wouldn't IMO. Sad, isn't it?

Thank you so much. Truly an inspiration.:):

SusanM
April 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM
It is not the responsiblity of the wife to instruct her husband to love her. Neither is it the responsiblity of the husband to demand submission from the wife. Neither is it the priviledge to withhold the duties of each waiting for the responsiblities of the other to be accomplished.


Brent, you're not the only one who's had to learn a lot of things the hard way! Thank you for your vulnerability in sharing. God's word is true and unchangeable, especially when I've been stiff-necked.