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babylonrising
January 21st, 2006, 05:27 PM
There was a guy on one of our local radio stations this week that was stating Jesus was a mere legend. I don't recall his name, but he goes around the country debating Christians. Evidently, most people will not take him up on his offer. He has a PhD in more than one area. His credentials were impressive, as was his knowledge of the bible, the writings of Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, and even Josephus. The show he was on is the Dave Glover show on 97.1 FM.
Dave was going to try and set up a debate between this guy and Lee Strobel. Evidently this guy has many books out, and one of them "disproves" most of what is in Strobel's blockbuster book 'A Case for Christ'.
Finally, to my question.....
How did the disciples of Christ die? Can you provide names of books I can read or authors?
This guy stated we have very very few writings on how the disciples died, but that many of them contained "fanciful" stories of their appearances after their death. He made quite the case that one of the overlooked aspects of the belief in Jesus is that the death of the Disciples is so full of myth that it cannot possibly be true.
I would really like to read more on this. Any ideas of where I can study this?

Thank You,

John

LeahIA
January 21st, 2006, 05:37 PM
I used this site when I was talking to my Sunday School kids.

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q6_apostles_die.html

Hope it helps

blitzkreig
January 21st, 2006, 06:45 PM
babylonrising the guy is partly correct.

There is a lot of "fable" around non-Scriptural events. And that gives atheists such as this fellow "leverage" when he can disprove the fable and imply that the same then is true of Scripture. Which it isn't.

That said have you read "Fox's Book of Martyrs"?

http://www.reformed.org/books/fox/fox_martyrs.html

babylonrising
January 21st, 2006, 07:50 PM
Thank you for the links.
What I am looking for is some early writings pertaining to their deaths. I've read many places now that say "their death was between this date and that date", but nothing explaining how they died, who witnessed it... etc. etc.....
One of the things the radio guy mentioned was that one of the disciples walked into a kings court carrying his head in his hand?! Obviously that is absurd... Is that true that a book of the Bible evens mentions something to that effect? I believe the guy said the book was a book in the Catholic bible, maybe? I'm not sure, but he did mention the books name, I just didn't write it down.
Thanks!

antitox
January 21st, 2006, 08:26 PM
Yeah Blitz, Foxes Book of Martyrs was exactly what I was going to recommend as well. Loved that book. Need to read it again.

paul&katie
January 21st, 2006, 11:35 PM
http://www.gotquestions.org/apostles-die.html

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/apostles.html

looks like a time line of 33 AD. up to 120 AD. (loosely) is coming out.

Paul

70thWeek
January 21st, 2006, 11:47 PM
Our knowledge of what happened to the disciples is based on tradition and extra-biblical sources. I think that a lot of it can be seen as reliable. We can build a very convincing case as to what happened to Paul. A Google search should give you some good ideas, also check wikipedia.