seeing unexplainable things

[karlm]

When I first accepted Christ a few things happened one I understand the other I still don't.

First after I went to church with a friend and they called people to be saved, I had no intention of doing anything other than listenning when I went but felt drawn to be saved and went up and said the sinners prayer. Shorty after that I found my self flat on my back on the floor. It's a hard sensation to explain, you get knocked flat but you don't hit the floor your are kind of layed down.

The second thing is, I used to get up easrly before the sun came up to go to them gym and workout before going to work. It was probably 4:30 or 5:00 AM and I was driving on a road in a basically unpopulated are no real lighting other than the stop light is was sitting at. I looked up and saw soemthing that cannot be explained by lights or swap gas of UFO's. Out of a cloud was a ruby red colored something I would describe it as shapped like a sword or tower( like the washington monument) There was no connection to the earth just emerging from a cloud. I have no idea why I would be shown this.

Maybe someone can help shed some light on this


Karl

[peoplz266]

I have no idea what that would mean, but I'm interested to hear what other people have to say. Oh I did hear something about a sword appearing over a city once or twice.... I think Perry Stone had it on his site. Apearently according to some historical writtings a big sword appeared in the sky above Israel before the city was destroyed by the Romans. The sword was some sort of sign of coming destruction. I'm not saying this is what you saw, just thought I would share that. :):

[peoplz266]

Quiet...... :twitch

[4fish]

:freaked

Seeing as how I'm flying to Chicago this weekend, I would rather hope it was just a beam of sunlight ... as you say this happened around sunrise ...

[The Sower]

When I first accepted Christ a few things happened one I understand the other I still don't.

First after I went to church with a friend and they called people to be saved, I had no intention of doing anything other than listenning when I went but felt drawn to be saved and went up and said the sinners prayer. Shorty after that I found my self flat on my back on the floor. It's a hard sensation to explain, you get knocked flat but you don't hit the floor your are kind of layed down.

The second thing is, I used to get up easrly before the sun came up to go to them gym and workout before going to work. It was probably 4:30 or 5:00 AM and I was driving on a road in a basically unpopulated are no real lighting other than the stop light is was sitting at. I looked up and saw soemthing that cannot be explained by lights or swap gas of UFO's. Out of a cloud was a ruby red colored something I would describe it as shapped like a sword or tower( like the washington monument) There was no connection to the earth just emerging from a cloud. I have no idea why I would be shown this.

Maybe someone can help shed some light on this


Karl



How long ago did these things happen?:):

[Stephanie]

What's interesting is that you ask why you "would be shown this" - rather than asking 'what do you think I saw' or 'has anyone else seen unexplainable things like this.'

It implies that you're approaching this from a position of this being a *vision* you were "given" - or some sort of a meaningful message you were given by someone, presumably you would mean God or some otherworldly being.

Other than describing what you saw or what you think you saw... can you tell us why you feel that you were "shown" a vision? Maybe explain what led you to believe that it was something intentionally shown to you, rather than just a typical "I saw something strange - I wonder if it was a UFO" sort of thing?

After you explain, I'll tell you what I think - but I want to see what *you* think first.

-Stephanie

[HeXp£Øi±]

Other than describing what you saw or what you think you saw... can you tell us why you feel that you were "shown" a vision?


The last words of karlm were,

I have no idea why I would be shown this.

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Stephanie
Other than describing what you saw or what you think you saw... can you tell us why you feel that you were "shown" a vision?
The last words of karlm were,

Quote:
I have no idea why I would be shown this.

Yes - and if you notice there, he said, "I have no idea why I would be shown this."

I'm saying, where is this "being shown" thing coming from? What makes you feel like you were *shown* something, rather than just seeing something unusual?

He/she didn't describe *anything* having to do with someone/something *showing* him those things... it sounded like he was describing something he saw independently of any outside source. I'm asking for some *description.*

-Stephanie

[karlm]

In response, I t was dark the sun was not rising. What I saw was very clear, at night you can see a cloud in the sky faintly, this I saw and pointing upward was a ruby red colored what appeared to me to be the blade of a sword it was radiant. I looked away thinking I'm just seeing things, but when I looked back it was still there as I saw it the first time. This happened probably 5 years ago, but I can still see it in my mind as plain as day. What do I think it was I have no idea. Maybe I'm completely off base, but I just felt that it had to be something spiritual, not just some wierd phenomenon

[kristine]

:bump

[BHiles]

Whenever I have had a spiritual dream I am immediately given an interpretation by the Holy Spirit. I believe that if God is giving you something He will tell you what it is immediately. That being said.

God has only given me dreams, no visions. I think He may be telling me something else concerning my age. hmmmmmm.:confused :pout

Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

[Stephanie]

<completely perplexed>

I have *no clue* Karlm - except from what you're describing, I still don't see any reason to think that you were being shown something. Maybe you saw something inexplainable - but you're not saying anything having to do with your personal impressions of it at the time, or anything other than a brief visual... although you did say that it seemed spiritual to you somehow. I wish we could have talked to you a few minutes after you saw it to see what you might have said back then!

[Angelglory]

The first thing you talked about, being placed on the floor, is called being "slain in the spirit". The only time I ever experienced that was at a Benny Hinn Conference. When he touched my forehead, I fell back and hit the floor, but it felt really soft, like I was just being lowered down to the floor. I felt like I was floating on a cloud. When I got up, it was the most wonderful feeling I have ever had. If Heaven is anything like this, I definitely want to go there, lol! When you are "slain in the spirit", the Holy Spirit performs a work in your body. With most people, it's just a few minutes, but I have heard of people being out all night long. I'm a Baptist, so it was a different thing for me, but it's a real thing. :thumb Hope this helps!

I don't know about the cloud that you saw, or what a sword means. Interesting, though. I would just pray about it and ask God to give you the meaning of it. :nod

[savedandhappy1]

Whenever I have had a spiritual dream I am immediately given an interpretation by the Holy Spirit. I believe that if God is giving you something He will tell you what it is immediately. That being said.

God has only given me dreams, no visions. I think He may be telling me something else concerning my age. hmmmmmm.:confused :pout

Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


What about Joseph's vision/dream? He didn't know the meaning till later after his brother sold him and he was in Eygpt. I am not sure we will always get the meaning right then, but that it will be revealed to us when we need to know or as we draw closer to the Lord seeking. As the bible says if we seek we will find.

I had this same re-occuring dream. I had it for 5-6 months, and it wasn't till after the pastor resigned, along with much prayer, that the meaning became clear.

[Angelglory]

Acts 2:17 It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. :tin

[kristine]

For whatever reason, sometimes these things aren't cut and dry. We don't always know what the meaning is right away. IMHO, the reason for this is because God wants you to look to Him and work toward understanding. It will come to you like the opening of a lovely blooming flower --- gradually and beautifully. Another example would be a math problem. You learn more when you have to struggle at working out an equation. If the teacher does it for you, you don't really learn.

I had a vision a little over two years ago and am still working toward understanding why this happened to me. Some of it has been revealed but not all. When I'm ready, in God's eyes, He will give me the answer.

One more way of explaining this goes along with the "spoon fed" idea. We begin to better understand God as we work on our spiritual growth. If we are spoon fed, we never really develop and grow.

Just keep praying and studying God's word. It will come to you, eventually. I know it will.

Like Stephanie, I also wish we could have been there to hear what your immediate impressions were. Hmmmmmm..... Oh well. :laugh

[savedandhappy1]

For whatever reason, sometimes these things aren't cut and dry. We don't always know what the meaning is right away. IMHO, the reason for this is because God wants you to look to Him and work toward understanding. It will come to you like the opening of a lovely blooming flower --- gradually and beautifully. Another example would be a math problem. You learn more when you have to struggle at working out an equation. If the teacher does it for you, you don't really learn.

I had a vision a little over two years ago and am still working toward understanding why this happened to me. Some of it has been revealed but not all. When I'm ready, in God's eyes, He will give me the answer.

One more way of explaining this goes along with the "spoon fed" idea. We begin to better understand God as we work on our spiritual growth. If we are spoon fed, we never really develop and grow.

Just keep praying and studying God's word. It will come to you, eventually. I know it will.

Like Stephanie, I also wish we could have been there to hear what your immediate impressions were. Hmmmmmm..... Oh well. :laugh

Dang I wish I would have waited to post, you said it so much better then me. If I would have wanted then I would have only had to say Amen and yeah what she said:lol

I wish I could say what I mean as beautiful as alot of others do, but it just doesn't always come out that way.

So AMEN!!!!! and what she said. :lol

[karlm]

<completely perplexed>

I have *no clue* Karlm - except from what you're describing, I still don't see any reason to think that you were being shown something. Maybe you saw something inexplainable - but you're not saying anything having to do with your personal impressions of it at the time, or anything other than a brief visual... although you did say that it seemed spiritual to you somehow. I wish we could have talked to you a few minutes after you saw it to see what you might have said back then!

My thoughts were this has to be something spiritual, there was nothing about it that led me to beleive that it was a natural phenomenon. Why am I seeing this came next. I think there has to be some reason for me seeing this I just don't know why. a sword generally means war, could it mean to prepare your spirit for war against what is coming? America is falling, God isn't welcome in public places anymore. When this occured, I don't think America was on the path that it is now. God is talking America just isn't listening.

[Stephanie]

The first thing you talked about, being placed on the floor, is called being "slain in the spirit". The only time I ever experienced that was at a Benny Hinn Conference. When he touched my forehead, I fell back and hit the floor, but it felt really soft, like I was just being lowered down to the floor. I felt like I was floating on a cloud. When I got up, it was the most wonderful feeling I have ever had. If Heaven is anything like this, I definitely want to go there, lol! When you are "slain in the spirit", the Holy Spirit performs a work in your body. With most people, it's just a few minutes, but I have heard of people being out all night long. I'm a Baptist, so it was a different thing for me, but it's a real thing. :thumb Hope this helps!

I don't know about the cloud that you saw, or what a sword means. Interesting, though. I would just pray about it and ask God to give you the meaning of it. :nod



I know this is totally sidetracking the conversation - but I can't help it; I promise I'll shut up after this, but - Benny Hinn touched your forehead and you fell to the ground?! That's *great*! I can't believe I'm actually in a thread with someone who's been forehead-touched by Benny Hinn! Did you lay on the floor a long time? Did he have those body-guard people drag you back? What sorts of things did he say about it? You have to start a thread about the memory - I hope you have a video. I don't think *anyone* at RR has ever been touched/slain/whatever it would be called by Hinn... at least that I've noticed.

I confess to being *quite* skeptical about the whole "slain" concept - but I've ALWAYS wondered what people say about it **AFTER** the fact. It's hard to tell what's going on based on what they show on TV.

Okay, I'm shutting up - sorry about that. That was too interesting to pass up.

-Stephanie


Back to the regular discussion!

[karlm]

I know this is totally sidetracking the conversation - but I can't help it; I promise I'll shut up after this, but - Benny Hinn touched your forehead and you fell to the ground?! That's *great*! I can't believe I'm actually in a thread with someone who's been forehead-touched by Benny Hinn! Did you lay on the floor a long time? Did he have those body-guard people drag you back? What sorts of things did he say about it? You have to start a thread about the memory - I hope you have a video. I don't think *anyone* at RR has ever been touched/slain/whatever it would be called by Hinn... at least that I've noticed.

I confess to being *quite* skeptical about the whole "slain" concept - but I've ALWAYS wondered what people say about it **AFTER** the fact. It's hard to tell what's going on based on what they show on TV.

Okay, I'm shutting up - sorry about that. That was too interesting to pass up.

-Stephanie


Back to the regular discussion!

I'm glad you can have fun at my expense. At what point did I say I was anywhere within 1000 miles of Benny Hinn? I was at a small church, no one touched me, I was standing there and was knocked to the floor. I guess I came to the wrong place to try to find answers, but thanks for you understanding and caring:rolleyes

[Daddys_girl]

I'm glad you can have fun at my expense. At what point did I say I was anywhere within 1000 miles of Benny Hinn? I was at a small church, no one touched me, I was standing there and was knocked to the floor. I guess I came to the wrong place to try to find answers, but thanks for you understanding and caring:rolleyes

Don't freak out, Karlm, the poster was responding to a previous post by someone else! Need to read back through them and you'll see there was nothing aimed at you.

[peoplz266]

The first thing you talked about, being placed on the floor, is called being "slain in the spirit". The only time I ever experienced that was at a Benny Hinn Conference. When he touched my forehead, I fell back and hit the floor, but it felt really soft, like I was just being lowered down to the floor. I felt like I was floating on a cloud. When I got up, it was the most wonderful feeling I have ever had. If Heaven is anything like this, I definitely want to go there, lol! When you are "slain in the spirit", the Holy Spirit performs a work in your body. With most people, it's just a few minutes, but I have heard of people being out all night long. I'm a Baptist, so it was a different thing for me, but it's a real thing. :thumb Hope this helps!

I don't know about the cloud that you saw, or what a sword means. Interesting, though. I would just pray about it and ask God to give you the meaning of it. :nodStephanie was responding to this post Karlm, not to your experience. :):

[Stephanie]

I'm glad you can have fun at my expense. At what point did I say I was anywhere within 1000 miles of Benny Hinn? I was at a small church, no one touched me, I was standing there and was knocked to the floor. I guess I came to the wrong place to try to find answers, but thanks for you understanding and caring:rolleyes


Yes, Karl - please take a look at my original post and you'll see that I had quoted Angelglory and then wrote about her experience with Hinn. That's why I apologized for sidetracking the conversation - because it didn't apply to the conversation of the thread. So I also said 'back to the conversation' in my post and apologized for the sidetracking.

BTW, just in case Angelglory thinks I was having fun at *her* expense - I wasn't having fun at *anyone's* expense. I just find the whole thing fascinating, and to think that someone here has actually had the "Hinn experience" is admittedly a bit of an interesting novelty. I was just intrigued - nothing more than that.

I'm sorry that you didn't notice who I was quoting, Karl - that probably had you quite confused.

-Stephanie

[BHiles]

What about Joseph's vision/dream? He didn't know the meaning till later after his brother sold him and he was in Eygpt.

Joseph did not have the Holy Spirit living inside of him.

[Pagal]

I certainly don't wish to offend anyone but all this "slain in the spirit" and vision stuff is kinda ridiculous.

First of all, Benny Hinn by BIBLICAL standards is a FALSE PROPHET.

See : http://www.ondoctrine.com/10hinn.htm

People get all caught up in these emotionlism crusades with the music, the people all falling over, Benny Hinn's infamous "Holy Spirit Ball" that he tosses to knock down the whole darn choir. So anything associated or experienced With Benny Hinn is well, to be well, CLOSELY looked at. According to Gods standards (not mine) he is NOT of God since he has proven OVER AND OVER to be a false prophet. WHY then do we even CONSIDER him to be of God?

IT's ridiculous. Angel, I don't know WHAT you experienced, but I DOUBT it was anything that was annointed through Benny Hinn. If you fell down, I don't really know what your expereinced, I'd say to be careful becuase that whole Slain in the Spirit is just odd. I don't believe it to be of God at all.

I'm very sad to see so many christians (even in my family) all caught up by this christian hyper show. I know many well meaning people THINK this is of God but I doubt it is. God is clear and sober minded. The holy spirit is Gentle and isn't making people look out of control.

Karlm,
What you saw....?? Who knows. I wouldn't get to worried about it. It could have been all sorts of strange things and Satan could be trying to trick you.

DOn't get caught up in all this falling down, barking, screaming, laughing, slain in teh spirit, hypno Christianity. it's false. Man, it is SO scary. What people must think of us looking at all that. No wonder people call us fools.

Read your bible , get close to God and HE will give you everything you need. I know it's easy to want this big huge display of supernatural phenominon but when you truely experience the quitness and gentleness of the HS, how MOVING it is, how earth shattering.........it's not cause you rolled on the floor...it's becuase Gods MERE PRESENSE alone is enough. Look to Him and you will experience his power.

Again, pleeeeese , I hope my strong words don't offend. I'm not saying you are a liar of not a discerning person. Maybe just fooled like MANY of us are by counterfiet things. Satan is crafty.

[xwalker]

My first impression of the sword, was spiritual war, but if there is meaning to be found and gained, the Holy Spirit will guide you when the time is right.