John Hagee???

[Rainbo2]

Hi I was wondering what ya'll thought about John Hagee and his teaching. I had always thought he was a pretty good teacher but had heard he was getting into the WOF movement. I noticed today that he was preaching on miricles but couldn't watch the whole thing since I have to leave for church. I was curious if he had preached on this before and what he had said.

I don't want this thread to become an arguement but would like others opinions. Thanks for any and all imput.

[Stephanie]

Hi there!

Well, I'm not *super* familiar with John Hagee... well, at least not until recently. I ran into his program for the first time about a week ago, and I LOVED it. I've seen it maybe four or five times since then, and so far, he hasn't said anything in the vein of "Word of Faith" that I've noticed... nothing wacky that I can detect. Of course, I haven't been watching him too long... and there was a time when I thought Joyce Meyer was very different than the way her teaching turned out to be (the first time I caught some of her more off-the-wall teachings, and a few that struck me as being pretty blasphemous, at least in my view... I was shocked. I probably watched her for a few months off and on before I caught it. Then again, during those shows, I was watching TV while doing other things, so I didn't really have my ears fully focused, if you know what I mean!)

Anyway, from what I've seen so far, I do like John Hagee. And I love the topics he chooses, too.

-Stephanie

[buzzardhut]

This thread might answer some questions.
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=224792

[UNeverEverNo]

He tells it like it is. We need more of that.

[cathy1953]

Well, yall might not like it for me to say this, but opinions were asked for so here's mine.
I liked him pretty good until one day when he got down on heavy weight women.
He was really talking about how heavy people need to not be gluttons.
It's very obvious he needs to do a whole lot of pushing away from the table himself.
I didn't know if anyone would believe me when I said he was preaching about that, but I told my friend and she saw it, too.
And his wife is not no skinny little bitty thing herself. You can tell they both like to eat. {As I do myself, but if he's overweight I don't think he has any right telling me what I need to do, even if he is a preacher.}

I still listen to him, tho, once in awhile. I DO like some of his preaching.

[70thWeek]

Well, yall might not like it for me to say this, but opinions were asked for so here's mine.
I liked him pretty good until one day when he got down on heavy weight women.
He was really talking about how heavy people need to not be gluttons.
It's very obvious he needs to do a whole lot of pushing away from the table himself.
I didn't know if anyone would believe me when I said he was preaching about that, but I told my friend and she saw it, too.
And his wife is not no skinny little bitty thing herself. You can tell they both like to eat. {As I do myself, but if he's overweight I don't think he has any right telling me what I need to do, even if he is a preacher.}

I still listen to him, tho, once in awhile. I DO like some of his preaching.
A lot of pastors condemn alcohol, but how often do we hear cautions against overeating? But, you are correct, maybe he should remove his own plank first.

[cenimo]

cathy1953

I heard him mention his own physical stature once...he was going to preach on gluttony and he said something like, "Look at me - there's no way I can stay on this (gluttony) for too long".

We watch him and still like him, but not as much as we did before he showed up at Juanita Bynum's $650,000 wedding.

[TonyLee]

I rarely watch him, but I do remember flipping channels one evening on September 7, 2001, and came across him. He was preaching about the future judgments, and I knew for certain that I was lost. I had grown up in church, and went to a christian school for most of my time in school, but was just a hell-bound "church member". I'm glad I caught him that night.

[HeXp£Øi±]

Well, yall might not like it for me to say this, but opinions were asked for so here's mine.
I liked him pretty good until one day when he got down on heavy weight women.
He was really talking about how heavy people need to not be gluttons.
It's very obvious he needs to do a whole lot of pushing away from the table himself.
I didn't know if anyone would believe me when I said he was preaching about that, but I told my friend and she saw it, too.
And his wife is not no skinny little bitty thing herself. You can tell they both like to eat. {As I do myself, but if he's overweight I don't think he has any right telling me what I need to do, even if he is a preacher.}

I still listen to him, tho, once in awhile. I DO like some of his preaching.

Just because someone mentions a problem that they themselves have does not make them a hypocrite. Yes John Hagee has brought up glutteny on many an occasion and he also talks about himself in this same light. He's completely open and honest about it and there's nothing wrong with it. He is absolutely right.
John Hagee offends because he tells the truth. We definetely need more people like him.
To anyone reading this i say do not judge this man before you have heard him with your own ears. I believe John Hagee is one of Gods most powerful "voices in the winderness" living today.

[MidnightCry]

I have learned much about prophecy from John Hagee. I appreciate him even having the guts to tackle this topic when few other preaches will these days.

Yeah, I also know that he has his "quirks" -- who doesn't? But, I watch him to learn and be encouraged, which I always am. I don't have any doctrinal problems with what he teaches.

As for why he attended Bynam's wedding . . . that one does puzzle me. I know that he is also extremely wealthy, good for him, I guess. He was probably invited and thought it would be fun to go.

All I know is that he teaches the word of God boldly and always has an altar call (something my own pastor rarely does) with many coming forward each week. In my opinion, he's one of the few remaining reasons to watch TBN.

[cathy1953]

Just because someone mentions a problem that they themselves have does not make them a hypocrite. Yes John Hagee has brought up glutteny on many an occasion and he also talks about himself in this same light. He's completely open and honest about it and there's nothing wrong with it. He is absolutely right.
John Hagee offends because he tells the truth. We definetely need more people like him.
To anyone reading this i say do not judge this man before you have heard him with your own ears. I believe John Hagee is one of Gods most powerful "voices in the winderness" living today.


I knew I'd get {:mad = flames} for this.
Opinions were asked for and I gave mine.
BTW, I didn't call him a hipocrite.
I have listened to John Hagee many times.

[Rainbo2]

Thanks for all ya'll opinions and any more that may come. One thing I do remember is that when I used to watch Jesse Duplantis (I know he is really into WOF) I would sometimes see John Hagee sitting in a chair on the altar. It is one of the reasons I gave some weight to the people who questioned his teaching.

Cathy1953 I do appreciate your opinion.

[cathy1953]

Thanks for all ya'll opinions and any more that may come. One thing I do remember is that when I used to watch Jesse Duplantis (I know he is really into WOF) I would sometimes see John Hagee sitting in a chair on the altar. It is one of the reasons I gave some weight to the people who questioned his teaching.

Cathy1953 I do appreciate your opinion.


Thank you Rainbo2.

I still think of the old saying, "Practice what you preach." I think that applies to peachers, too.
I personally would not put much stock into a preacher preaching aginst adultery if he himself were practicing adultery.
The same way for me for a heavy weight preacher preaching against being overweight. A heavyweight preacher can push back from the table same as anyone else. And should if he's going to tell others to do so.

[Rainbo2]

Thank you Rainbo2.

I still think of the old saying, "Practice what you preach." I think that applies to peachers, too.
I personally would not put much stock into a preacher preaching aginst adultery if he himself were practicing adultery.
The same way for me for a heavy weight preacher preaching against being overweight. A heavyweight preacher can push back from the table same as anyone else. And should if he's going to tell others to do so.

I know what your saying, like someone saying don't drink liquor while drinking a beer. Like 70thweek said better remove the plank first. I do give Hagee credit for having the nerve to preach the message though.

[cathy1953]

Yes, he had to have nerve to preach it, being as he is very heavy himself.

We are all human, and of course none of us are perfect.
But isn't that what it's all about? Striving for that perfection to be more Christlike, in all things that we do?
Even for preachers?

[countmeworthy]

I watch John Hagee pretty regulary. I've even been to one of his church services but I am not led to attend his church. I'm really growing and loving the church I go to which is about 10 minutes from his....same road even !

I think John Hagee is getting stronger and much more serious, very intense, with a deep urgency that we are sooo close to the Lord's return.
His messages lately on the rapture are sooo riveting that I feel the Lord could really come back before the end of this YEAR !!!! YIKES and HALLELUIA!!

Whenever he starts sharing on prophesy, I'm ALL EARS !!! And I noticed this morning, he mentioned again in closing that the Lord's return is NEARER THAN WE THINK !!!!!

But when he speaks on other subjects matters, I tune him out. That's just not where I'm at.

And YES, he IS extremely wealthy but I also have heard he has given millions and millions to missions and other churches. I don't believe he is hording the tithings and offerings for himself.

Many people don't know that alot of these wealthy preachers really are very, very charitable and tithe themselves.

My pastor told us how when he first came into the ministry, he & has wife had saved about 25,000 to purchase a home. When it came time to purchase it, he sensed the Lord told him to give it the church !! He obeyed and continued to live in a small apartment trusting the Lord to provide him with the rent money !

A couple of years later, someone in the church gave him another 25,000 to buy a home. The person felt the Lord told him to give it to my pastor. My pastor graciously accepted it and was excited to buy a home at last. But once again, the Lord nudged him to give it to the church. So he obeyed.

3 yrs later, the Lord told him to go ahead and buy a house. He didn't have the down payment. (By the way, this was in Johanahsburg South Africa before coming to the states.) However, he sensed strongly that the Lord told him to sign the contract anyway. He did and had 30 days to come up with the money. The week before signing the papers and showing up with the money, 2 or 3 different people came up to him with 3 different checks they felt the Lord told them to give to my pastor...exactly the amount needed for the downpayment on the house.

Btw for whoever might be curious, my pastor & his wife lived in South Africa all their lives and for many, many years had a very large congregation there. They LOVED being there. It was HOME. About 15 yrs ago, my pastor who had never heard of San Antonio, Texas dreamt of the Alamo. The Lord had given him this vision in a dream. Not knowing much about U.S. history and even less about Texas history, he sought the Lord's counsel and guidance.

Long story short, 4 years ago, he & has wife & their 2 teenage daughters left everything behind and moved to San Antonio to start a church here. And every weekend, I see them tithe too.

Here's an interesting 'coincidence'. They moved here to San Antonio on December 15, 2001. I moved here to S.A December 15, 2004. (Will be a year in just a couple of weeks.) As soon as I got settled in, through much prayer in searching for the church the Lord wanted to plant me in, I went to my first service at this church the first weekend of January 2005. Been there ever since.

Blessings to all and thanks for reading my long winded post.

[savedandhappy1]

Thank you Rainbo2.

I still think of the old saying, "Practice what you preach." I think that applies to peachers, too.
I personally would not put much stock into a preacher preaching aginst adultery if he himself were practicing adultery.
The same way for me for a heavy weight preacher preaching against being overweight. A heavyweight preacher can push back from the table same as anyone else. And should if he's going to tell others to do so.


Do we know if Mr. Hagee has any health problems, like maybe being a diabetic? If you are over weight when you become a diabetic you usually stay over weight, because of the way you have to eat to keep your blood sugar regulated. I don't know if he is or not.

I was just wondering if maybe he was trying to help people get their health in order, because he didn't. I didn't hear that sermon so can't comment on it. I have heard alot of his end times sermons and love them.

[sandy111]

hagge is wof. you wont hear it on tv shows.

he teaches positive confession for healing you must NOT ever say
negative confessions to be healed.

I had some of his tapes thats how I know it.

[julie777]

I love to listen to John Hagee. I hardly ever miss his program on Sunday afternoons. That man tells it like it is. He also knows Bible prophecy. My husband is unsaved and will not listen to many ministers, but he listens to John Hagee. John Hagee is the only one he will listen to. John Hagee's books are awesome too!:thumb

[Chet]

I think John Hagee is great

[HeXp£Øi±]

I knew I'd get {:mad = flames} for this.
Opinions were asked for and I gave mine.
BTW, I didn't call him a hipocrite.
I have listened to John Hagee many times.

Well others did by saying he needs to take the plank out of his own eye. He either speaks the truth or he doesn't. It's as simple as that.

[cathy1953]

Well others did by saying he needs to take the plank out of his own eye. He either speaks the truth or he doesn't. It's as simple as that.


But I didn't, and you responded by quoting my post so I thought you were saying that I had called him a hipocrite.
I still think tho, that if he's going to preach the weight issue that he could do as he tells others to do and lose the weight himself. He would certainly make a great example to people who need to lose weight if he did so.

[cathy1953]

Do we know if Mr. Hagee has any health problems, like maybe being a diabetic? If you are over weight when you become a diabetic you usually stay over weight, because of the way you have to eat to keep your blood sugar regulated. I don't know if he is or not.

I was just wondering if maybe he was trying to help people get their health in order, because he didn't. I didn't hear that sermon so can't comment on it. I have heard alot of his end times sermons and love them.


I don't know if he's diabetic or not.

I have seen diabetics lose weight. I work in a facility where people live, sort of like a nursing home or a school for the developmentally challenged.
We have a diabetic there who lost probably a hundred pounds. His insulin requirements decreased tremendously, altho he still takes a very small amount. He's done wonderfully with weight loss, while being diabetic, so it can be done.

[Live4Jesus]

I like listening to his end times stuff but don't watch him regularly. I prefer pastors that don't shout.

[savedandhappy1]

I don't know if he's diabetic or not.

I have seen diabetics lose weight. I work in a facility where people live, sort of like a nursing home or a school for the developmentally challenged.
We have a diabetic there who lost probably a hundred pounds. His insulin requirements decreased tremendously, altho he still takes a very small amount. He's done wonderfully with weight loss, while being diabetic, so it can be done.


Didn't say it couldn't be done, but being in medicine since the late 70's, I just know it is hard and doesn't happen alot.

[cathy1953]

Didn't say it couldn't be done, but being in medicine since the late 70's, I just know it is hard and doesn't happen alot.

And I've been in nursing since '73, and I didn't imply that you said it couldn't be done.
I was only merely stating the fact I have seen it done.

:wave

[countmeworthy]

As for why he attended Bynam's wedding . . . that one does puzzle me. I know that he is also extremely wealthy, good for him, I guess.


It's quite possible that Juanita Bynam has supported John's ministry with lots of $$$ over the years which is why he attended her wedding.

As for John's weight, it could very well be the thorn in his side. He knows very well that it his personal struggle and has been battling his weight problem for a long time.

His personal physician, Don Colbert, is a very well known doctor who practices in Florida I believe. He has several books, one which is called ' Toxic Relief' which helped me with my physical struggles. I know that his physician continues to work with him through his struggle.

[savedandhappy1]

And I've been in nursing since '73, and I didn't imply that you said it couldn't be done.
I was only merely stating the fact I have seen it done.

:wave

From your answer I am afraid you thought I was upset or something, and wanted you to know I didn't mean anything by my answer. I know that if I can't get something changed in my life I am going to be a fat diabetic. Had doctors tell me so. I am disabled and limited on what I can to for exercise, and it drives me crazy somedays when I think about how hard it is going to be for me to control my weight and blood sugar if I can't figure out a way to get this weight off before it happens.

I think my answer was more of me thinking outload about how I know things are going to be if the Lord tarrys to long. I know He will get me through it because He is so faithful. I just have seen so many struggle in my small country town. I do think it has alot to do with us not, maybe, us having the best and smartes doctors who stay up on all that can be done. Most bad diabetics have to go to KC for good care. That is 3 hours away.

Anyhow not meaning anything by my answer, and hoping you didn't think I did.

God Bless you Cathy,
Kathy

Oh love your name lol

[holyspiritvesse]

His magazine proves his WOF beliefs. He says if you are sick or poor, you have sin in your life, and lack of faith.

(But if you sow a seed, you will be doubly blessed back!!!!)

[savedandhappy1]

Wasn't that wedding something else?

My son got married in July, and I kept telling them they would be just as married having a cheaper wedding, as to spending alot of money. The only thing that was important is that they had the Lord at their wedding and nothing else. It was beautiful and I loved it when they took communion as a couple becoming one during the ceremony. I had never seen it done before, and wish my husband and I would have done something like that 30 yrs. ago.

It was so great to see them showing the important things, like wanting to become one in themselves and the Lord.

I just can't see wasting all the money like whats her names wedding when we have homeless and starving people right here in the USA. I don't think I will say anything else about it, she will have to answer for it not me if the Lord wasn't pleased with the show.

[Catwoman]

Well, yall might not like it for me to say this, but opinions were asked for so here's mine.
I liked him pretty good until one day when he got down on heavy weight women.
He was really talking about how heavy people need to not be gluttons.
It's very obvious he needs to do a whole lot of pushing away from the table himself.
I didn't know if anyone would believe me when I said he was preaching about that, but I told my friend and she saw it, too.
And his wife is not no skinny little bitty thing herself. You can tell they both like to eat. {As I do myself, but if he's overweight I don't think he has any right telling me what I need to do, even if he is a preacher.}

I still listen to him, tho, once in awhile. I DO like some of his preaching.



I have heard Pastor Hagee preach this message too and wondered if he has any mirrors or scales in his home......because it's obvious he struggles with weight problems like most of us do. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

Other than that I like him in small doses.

[carmen]

I had always thought he was a pretty good teacher but had heard he was getting into the WOF movement.He has shared his pulpit, as well as various events (such as cruises) with WOF teaches including the Copelands. I live in San Antonio near Cornerstone and have seen the ads on the electronic sign he has in front of his church. In addition, these events were on his website. I regret I didn't save a copy of the sites when they were advertising the events. All I can offer at this point is my word.

I used to truly like Hagee, but once I discovered he was sharing his pulpit with WOF, and by doing so indicating at least his partial agreement with them, that was the end. There are too many teachers out there where I don't have to worry or wonder where my money is going, or sift every word they say, wondering if it has elements of unscriptural doctrine included within it.

[Rainbo2]

He has shared his pulpit, as well as various events (such as cruises) with WOF teaches including the Copelands. I live in San Antonio near Cornerstone and have seen the ads on the electronic sign he has in front of his church. In addition, these events were on his website. I regret I didn't save a copy of the sites when they were advertising the events. All I can offer at this point is my word.

I used to truly like Hagee, but once I discovered he was sharing his pulpit with WOF, and by doing so indicating at least his partial agreement with them, that was the end. There are too many teachers out there where I don't have to worry or wonder where my money is going, or sift every word they say, wondering if it has elements of unscriptural doctrine included within it.

I had basically stopped watching most of the tv preachers that I used to watch because of blatant WoF, I still watch Jesse Duplantis but mainly because I can always use a laugh. I do still get alot of teaching out of Hagee but after hearing that he was teaching some WoF and seeing him with Jesse Duplantis, I wanted to find out how far into the WoF movement
he is. I don't like throwing the baby out with the bath water:):

[Stephanie]

He has shared his pulpit, as well as various events (such as cruises) with WOF teaches including the Copelands. I live in San Antonio near Cornerstone and have seen the ads on the electronic sign he has in front of his church. In addition, these events were on his website. I regret I didn't save a copy of the sites when they were advertising the events. All I can offer at this point is my word.

I used to truly like Hagee, but once I discovered he was sharing his pulpit with WOF, and by doing so indicating at least his partial agreement with them, that was the end. There are too many teachers out there where I don't have to worry or wonder where my money is going, or sift every word they say, wondering if it has elements of unscriptural doctrine included within it.

Wow. I had no idea. As I said in my earlier post, I've really been enjoying Hagee - but I've only seen him a handful of times at this point, so I can't say that I really know a lot about his theological views. But in the several shows I've seen so far, I haven't noticed anything that smacks of WOF. I know it may take a while before I'd hear something - but in contrast, probably *every* time I listen to Joyce Meyer, she's giving WOF views left and right. Maybe Hagee isn't *quite* as WOF as others? No idea about that. I'd *like* for that to be true, though, because I love listening to him.

-Stephanie

[carmen]

Wow. I had no idea. As I said in my earlier post, I've really been enjoying Hagee - but I've only seen him a handful of times at this point, so I can't say that I really know a lot about his theological views. But in the several shows I've seen so far, I haven't noticed anything that smacks of WOF. I know it may take a while before I'd hear something - but in contrast, probably *every* time I listen to Joyce Meyer, she's giving WOF views left and right. Maybe Hagee isn't *quite* as WOF as others? No idea about that. I'd *like* for that to be true, though, because I love listening to him.

-Stephanie
From what I've read and seen, he doesn't generally espouse his views too publically (one poster on this thread made mention of this that I remember....she said he is vocal on his tapes--which she'd purchased, unknowing--about his views on prosperity and believers, but not in his sermons).

However, if he is allowing the Copelands and Duplantis to share his pulpit, that confers at least the appearance of agreement with their views, and they are VERY openly WOF.

As an aside, I was have heard, out of his own mouth during a sermon over the radio, him say that the Jewish people don't need to accept Christ to be saved. He said that they will ALL be saved, because they are Jewish. That view of his has also been discussed here on RR MB before.

[carmen]

BTW, I say the above not to gossip or run down Hagee, but because I think it is a good thing to let other people know what they are getting in a teacher/pastor's teaching, or what he respresents. I am no less a sinner, and no more right on all points, than Hagee. But when I go out of bounds, scripturally, I hope my brothers and sisters would tell me and that they wouldn't allow anyone to be misled by what I said.

[sandy111]

His magazine proves his WOF beliefs. He says if you are sick or poor, you have sin in your life, and lack of faith.

(But if you sow a seed, you will be doubly blessed back!!!!)

yep, I was trying to tell people hes wof.

not suprised by this, he just hides it on his tv show.

[antitox]

Personally, I've never cared for Hagee's preaching, he always sounds like he's telling somebody off.

[HeXp£Øi±]

I have heard Pastor Hagee preach this message too and wondered if he has any mirrors or scales in his home......because it's obvious he struggles with weight problems like most of us do. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

Other than that I like him in small doses.

If you listen too him on this subject you'll hear that he includes himself in the discussion. No this is not a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[Momoftwo]

Love the guy, love his teaching. He is black and white, right or wrong, no fluff. Very well read, tackles the tough subjects and has some phenominally talented children who sing with him on some gorgeous gospel stuff. I enjoy the prophecy teachings and that man can GET ON FIRE! I watch his program and feel cleaned to the bone and convicted to the rooftops.

[Joel]

Volume, issue, page number, quote?

Some thing?

:hrm

[it just agitates me when people don't back up their words when saying bold faced things]. :):

His magazine proves his WOF beliefs. He says if you are sick or poor, you have sin in your life, and lack of faith.

(But if you sow a seed, you will be doubly blessed back!!!!)

[prayerwarrior3]

John Hagee is GREAT!! I love to hear him preach.

[prayerwarrior3]

Oh and yes, I like Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis as well.

[Daddys_girl]

I don't watch him often simply because I don't watch a lot of television, but I have his DVD. It's called

Vanished: In the Blink of An Eye


and I have shown it to several non-saved. The seed gets planted!

[ShoutToTheLord]

Just because someone mentions a problem that they themselves have does not make them a hypocrite. Yes John Hagee has brought up glutteny on many an occasion and he also talks about himself in this same light. He's completely open and honest about it and there's nothing wrong with it. He is absolutely right.
John Hagee offends because he tells the truth. We definetely need more people like him.
To anyone reading this i say do not judge this man before you have heard him with your own ears. I believe John Hagee is one of Gods most powerful "voices in the winderness" living today.


I agree completly. Also I wish the subject of gluttony had been mentioned to me earlier in my walk so that I could have started to ask for healing in that area of sin before I got to the state where I am at now.

Any preacher that convicts others with the word of God is doing his job well.