Barbara Walters and Heaven {Merged}

[Transformed]

Has anyone seen the promos for Dec 20 (I think) of a special Barbara is doing? She's interviewing what appears to be alot of different religions' experts about How to Go to Heaven. Should be interesting, to say the least. Don't know what percentage of all the religious intelligentsia will be actual Born Again Christian.

[LeahIA]

I never watch her, but I might check this one out.

[happyhiker]

There is a small article about her in the Guideposts magazine. She is going to do a few specials a year and wants to present subjects that are important to people. She read that 83% of Americans believe in heaven and thought that would make an interesting topic. Many people from many different religious backgrounds were interviewed. So there will be perspectives from
Christian to Muslim to Buddhist and the common thread that there is something beyond.

[Medic911]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom.

They usually do.

[SeaDreamer]

I read the article in Reader's Digest. They quoted a suicide bomber as saying non-bombers weren't admitted to paradise and then immediately started discussing what evangelicals believe about who'll enter heaven. It was a VERY obvious attempt to group evagelicals and suicide bombers into the same group. :rolleyes

[His Bride]

Blah blah blah, you all KNOW how that program will turn out. The whole world is going to heaven and Barbara will be so proud that she helped do her part.

[imfree]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom.

They usually do.

Yep. :nod That's their MO.

[stormtrooper]

Blah blah blah, you all KNOW how that program will turn out. The whole world is going to heaven and Barbara will be so proud that she helped do her part.

No kidding. Why waste the time to watch the show when we all know how it's going to be presented. In the end, anyone who claims that Jesus is the only way will be presented as narrow minded, ignorant and intolerant. Same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes

[kenneth]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom More then likely they will be interviewing an apostate theologian, an "expert" on Christianity, who will be saying that Heaven is a myth.

[Maria]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom.

They usually do.

Yep. It seems to. Even in the movies you see a Catholic instead of a Protestant giving advice about endtimes, or Bible prophecy stuff... :nod

[happyhiker]

Actually, she interviewed from Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, to Maria Shriver a Catholic, who's written a book about discussing heaven with your children.

[TrojansFan]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom.

They usually do.

Wouldn't doubt it. Seems she might be having the Dahlia Lama or whatever on the show. :doh :faint

[Porkchop]

Is the date Dec 20th?

[watcherboy]

These shows do a lot more harm than good, Just like when abc did a Jesus special and it did not do justice. It will make christanity look bad because we'll say Jesus is the only way to heaven. Barbara is such a bimbo

[happyhiker]

I don't mean to start anything, but just take a look at all the responses. Can you see all the negativity here? I'm not a big fan of tv and will more than likely not see the program but I would sure not enjoy going to a worship service with so many fuddy duddys. The article I read about the show is coming from a wide variety of beliefs about heaven and what is beyond this life. B. Walters is not going to try and convert people but to simply give info hopefully from a nonbiased viewpoint. Please take my above comments in a good spirit.:):

[nancyjean]

The Truth is usually hidden in these types of programs. I don't ever expect the World to portray the Truth when it has no understanding of what that means. Although the topic is interesting it will probably be a lead in to the acceptance that "all religions" believe the same thing. I think that explains all the negativity here.

[spiritled]

It will be the promotion of universalism.
Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and the Life will not be presented.

[stormtrooper]

I don't mean to start anything, but just take a look at all the responses. Can you see all the negativity here? I'm not a big fan of tv and will more than likely not see the program but I would sure not enjoy going to a worship service with so many fuddy duddys. The article I read about the show is coming from a wide variety of beliefs about heaven and what is beyond this life. B. Walters is not going to try and convert people but to simply give info hopefully from a nonbiased viewpoint. Please take my above comments in a good spirit.:):

I don't see much negativity here, just an honest appraisal of the situation. The main stream media always screws it up when it comes to things like this and usually it is the Christian perspective that gets the bad light.

[Anne-teeter]

It will be the promotion of universalism.


I too agree it will probably focus on all roads lead to heaven; we really all worship the same God. I can't imagine the secular media saying anything other than that.

YSIC

[ToBpleasing]

I wish Barbara would interview one of us in regards to getting to heaven. But our comments would not be televised, because they would be truthful and convicting, and we would be more concerned with offended the Lord then offending the masses or false religion.

[lookup]

I wonder how many at ABC might be thinking more about life after death with Peter Jennings' recent passing. I think it may be a teachable moment for many of Mr. Jennings' colleagues, and most certainly a cause to pray for them. Who knows, if not Ms. Walters, maybe someone who is researching this topic may hear and have an opportunity to respond to the truth.

[ToBpleasing]

Good point Lookup, the Lord uses oportunities just like this to further his gospel.

[psalms7_17]

What do ya' bet that they choose a Catholic to represent Christiandom.

They usually do.

Personally, I don't think it fair to be judgmental in this case.
Whose to say that they will not choose an evangelist or southern baptist to represent the Christian population?
Rather than immediately jumping on the situation we should wait and respond after the interviews have taken place.
I am sure Medic that you had no intention of stating the above as it sounded.
I believe we should be looking at ourselves more than on what others are doing or have done?
We should give good news rather than consistently report bad news especially before it has happened.
This interview, which I am sure will be watched by many, many secular folk, may have a seed planted in their heart by what is mentioned in the interview if done by a true follower of Christ.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
I love you guys on this board. I mainly lurk, but have read and received some wonderful insight. Every one of you are great and for the most part been mostly noncritical. I have learned so much from you all.
Thanks

Shah'lohm vuh'bah'raH ah'tah
yom tohv

[carmen]

:confused Who do you feel Medic is bashing?

There is no doubt that the secular media frequently chooses Catholics to represent Christiantiy at large.

[psalms7_17]

So what if "frequently" they choose Catholics to represent Christianity.
Whose to say they will this time.
The comment was out of place and appeared out of character.

[countmeworthy]

Personally, I don't think the segment is going to point to Jesus as the way to Heaven. BUT, I think it's interesting that 'heaven' is getting some attention.

We all know we are in the last days and I get the sense that even non-believers sense something BIG is going on in the universe.

If nothing more, I hope people will stop to think about the REAL HEAVEN & not the maja raji's or the Dali Lama's view of heaven.

[carmen]

So what if "frequently" they choose Catholics to represent Christianity.
Whose to say they will this time.
The comment was out of place and appeared out of character.We are all entitled to speculate as to whom the media might choose to interview. It takes a little more than that to be "bashing." :):

[4everHis]

Fight Fight Fight....all we do is argue and fight.
Frankly, I won't watch Ms Walters. It will take
away from my time with the lord.

[Blessedx4]

Saturday, December 10, 2005

ABC TV LOOKS AT HEAVEN

By Jeremy Reynalds
Special Correspondent for ASSIST News Service

NEW YORK (ANS) -- An upcoming ABC TV special promises to take an in depth look at the subject of heaven.

Anchored by Barbara Walters, and titled “Heaven. Where Is It? How Do We Get There?” a news release from ABC says the program will explore the meaning of heaven with religious leaders of the major faiths, scientists, people who say they believe in heaven because they’ve been there, and celebrities who are vocal about their beliefs. Show producers even talk with terrorists.

According to the news release, Walters takes viewers on a journey around the world – to India, Israel and throughout the United States. She interviews people of different religious and scientific beliefs, each with strong opinions about the afterlife. They discuss their visions of heaven, what happens to the body, and why it is important to believe in heaven.

Cardinal Theodore McCerrick, the Catholic Archbishop of Washington, says in the program, the news release states, that the purpose of life “is to come to the end of your life at peace with the Lord so that you may find an eternal happiness in heaven…This life is not what we’re made for. We’re made for heaven. We’re made for the future.”

A Jewish rabbi comments in the show, “The purpose of life is to live a decent life… and that you do it for its own sake, not for getting a reward.” Rabbi Neil Gilman from the New York Jewish Theological Seminary adds, “There is a tremendous emphasis in our tradition about what you do with yourself in your lifetime here on earth.”

more.... http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s05120044.htm

[sracer]

Good point Lookup, the Lord uses oportunities just like this to further his gospel.
"Opportunities just like this", really? Can you point to an instance where someone came to accept Jesus after such a hodgepodge presentation?

Confusion is from the enemy. TV programs like this one do nothing but confuse people at best, or lead them AWAY from the Gospel (everyone worships the same God ideology) at worst.

[The Sower]

No kidding. Why waste the time to watch the show when we all know how it's going to be presented. In the end, anyone who claims that Jesus is the only way will be presented as narrow minded, ignorant and intolerant. Same ol' same ol'. :rolleyes


yep.:(:

[BloodoftheLamb]

I hope its not the so called Bishop Sponge for Christians.


Ever read the claptrap he puts out...brrrr...

[inretire]

we get there?" Should be interesting to see the different beliefs. We all know what the real truth is and these two questions are very easily answered by a true Christian. I have a feeling this program will leave me very disturbed.

[StinkerBell]

I have seen some clips....I get the impression that it will be sold that we al have the same God and therefore are the same....but I could be wrong

[ToHisGlory]

Let us pray that the Holy Spirit will be present and working in the hearts of all the people that are involved with this program. I will be watching.

[Daddys_girl]

These shows do a lot more harm than good, Just like when abc did a Jesus special and it did not do justice. It will make christanity look bad because we'll say Jesus is the only way to heaven. Barbara is such a bimbo

Oh this isn't a Christian concept of Heaven show..........this is everything from an atheist to Buddhist, etc.........saw her interviewed by Bill Oreilly......sounds like it's going to be another "spirituality" thing.............gotta get the whole world primed and ready for that oh so spiritual one world religion.

[Kyrie Eleison]

Oh this isn't a Christian concept of Heaven show..........this is everything from an atheist to Buddhist, etc.........saw her interviewed by Bill Oreilly......sounds like it's going to be another "spirituality" thing.............gotta get the whole world primed and ready for that oh so spiritual one world religion.


I agree, it will be another one-world view push towards one-world religiosity.

[Elizabeth_S]

Blah blah blah, you all KNOW how that program will turn out. The whole world is going to heaven and Barbara will be so proud that she helped do her part.
:tsk :sad of course.

[The Sower]

Good point Lookup, the Lord uses oportunities just like this to further his gospel.
:thumb :nod

[cenimo]

This might be why Catholics are so often chosen to represent Chrisitianity:

Top Ten Religious bodies in the Ubnited States:

Rank Religious Body Year Membership
1 Catholic Church 2002 66,407,105
2 Southern Baptist Convention 2003 16,400,000
3 United Methodist Church 2002 8,251,042
4 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 2004 5,599,177
5 Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 2003 4,984,925
6 Church of God in Christ 1991 * 4,500,000
7 Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 2001 3,595,259
8 National Baptist Convention of America 1987 3,500,000
9 Assemblies of God 2002 2,687,366
10 Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod 2003 2,512,714
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#bodies

[BloodoftheLamb]

It will be the promotion of universalism.
Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and the Life will not be presented.


I saw her interview with O'Reilly, and this is correct.

She is a secular Jew with no religious training.

O'Reilly brought this up and she got dodged it.

[His Bride]

Yesterday Barbara Walters was interviewed about the program on O'Reilly. And I have to admit that I found her very sensitive. She is Jewish by birth and openly admitted that Christians should be allowed to express their faith. I really couldn't find anything to criticize. So I'll watch, even though I may get riled.

[naphtali]

I also seen the O'Reilly segment. It seemed that this will be more or less a survey of what many different faiths think about heaven and how one gets there. My guess is that when the show airs, the Christain truth will be mentioned, then another guest or two will attempt to discredit the thruth and confuse many viewers with garbage.

[cenimo]

Good point naphtali, I'm thinking it's going to be to TV as belief net is to discussion boards- "Oh great, you believe in something, how nice."

[ncgirl]

Despite the eye-rolling :rolleyes I'm sure I'll be doing while watching this, I'm praying that if nothing else, this show may encourage someone, anyone, who may be 'searching' to seek out someone they know who is a 'believer' to have conversation, have questions answered and hear some TRUTH :thumb

gee, what that a run-on sentence or what!!?? :doh

In His Grip~~ncgirl

[Sonlight]

No kidding. Why waste the time to watch the show when we all know how it's going to be presented. In the end, anyone who claims that Jesus is the only way will be presented as narrow minded, ignorant and intolerant. Same ol' same ol'.


Amen

[roadrunner570]

I didn't like Ted Haggard when he was on Dateline, but he's impressed me with this interview

[MissJodee]

I didn't like Ted Haggard when he was on Dateline, but he's impressed me with this interview

I agree.

[mel27p]

Oh rats, I forgot about it! :doh

Will you fill me in?

[Acheron]

Actually they did have Ted Haggard flat out state that Jesus was the only way to get to heaven, which I could applaud.:clap It was still a kind of "one world thing" when viewed as a whole though.

[2Tone]

"This much is certain, heaven is a place of happiness and peace, I'm Barbara Walters."

This is a concluding statement?!?!?! wow thanks for clearing that up for all the world religions.

"This much is certain, we are on Earth."

[roadrunner570]

Well, she talked to a catholic priest, who actually did okay. Then to Ted Haggard, pastor of a mega church in colorado. When he was on Dateline months ago, he sounded rather wishy washy, but he really stuck to Jesus is the only way even when Barbara pushed his buttons, he held his ground.

The most interesting was an Islamic Imam, and then a terrorist from jail. The Imam was going on how all who believe in God are saved, and Islam does not promote violence, but the terrorist was blabbing about killing infidels, and all non muslims go to hell.

But according to the Koran:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his prophet have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. Sura 9:29

and

So when you meet in battle those to disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners." Sura 47:4

[Mommy2KandM]

Really??? You thought Ted Haggard did well??? I felt the total opposite. And it left me feeling quite frightened that he is the president of the national evangelical association.

He denied about 3 of Gods attributes in his 5 minutes on TV. :faint And I thought he clearly left the door open for people who don't accept Jesus to still work out their salvation with God after they die. :sigh

[roadrunner570]

Really??? You thought Ted Haggard did well??? I felt the total opposite. And it left me feeling quite frightened that he is the president of the national evangelical association.

He denied about 3 of Gods attributes in his 5 minutes on TV. :faint And I thought he clearly left the door open for people who don't accept Jesus to still work out their salvation with God after they die. :sigh


Well, you must not have seen him on Dateline :lol

[cinlynn]

Really??? You thought Ted Haggard did well??? I felt the total opposite. And it left me feeling quite frightened that he is the president of the national evangelical association.

He denied about 3 of Gods attributes in his 5 minutes on TV. :faint And I thought he clearly left the door open for people who don't accept Jesus to still work out their salvation with God after they die. :sigh

I didn't watch it.. I knew it would aggravate me! :tin

What 3 attributes did Haggard deny?

[Writesinme]

I must admit--I was pleasantly surprised that Barbara kept it as balanced as she did. I really thought Christianity would be short-changed as far as time, presentation and number of people interviwed.

As mentioned, tho, it still came across as a spirituality all-one-with-the-universe kind of a thing. Still, at the end, when she asked people to describe Heaven, the Christian viewpoint was the most beautifully expressed.

What about this Ellen Athiest chick? I've seen her before and she's quite adamant about this life being all this is. Oh, and the camp for non-religious kids? Sad world we're in.

[Mommy2KandM]

What 3 attributes did Haggard deny?

He didn't flat out address them and say, I don't believe these things. But the things he said pointed to having to deny these things about God in order to belive what he belives.

Let me see if I can remember them... one was omnipresence.

Doctrine of necessary atonement.(only Jesus Christ)

and and and thinking here....... and Gods immutability (that God doesn't change)

Gods foreknowledge (But I already knew Haggard was an open theist, so expected that one.)

and I think that was it. :laugh

[Mommy2KandM]

Well, you must not have seen him on Dateline :lol


No, I didn't see him on Dateline. :laugh So I don't have anything worse to compare it to.

I did wonder why Barbra only showed James Dobson.. but didn't talk to him. And why not interview Randy Alcorn. He has the huge book on HEAVEN. :lol Perhaps he wasn't wishy washy enough for her tastes. :noidea

I will say it could have gone much farther making Christians out to be the bad guys. And I was pleased that she did ask the one of the Muslims the same question Christians always get asked. About being sent to hell if you don't believe in God. Though I think the Muslim kinda lied about what his religion teaches. He said a Jew, etc.. can all go to heaven if they believe in God. But that isn't really what he means I wouldn't think. It was the safe answer.

[roadrunner570]

No I didn't see him on Dateline. :laugh So I don't have anything worse to compare it to.

I did wonder why Barbra only showed James Dobson.. but didn't talk to him. And why not interview Randy Alcorn. He has the huge book on HEAVEN. :lol Perhaps he wasn't wishy washy enough for her tastes. :noidea

He was completely spineless on Dateline, so when he said you must know jesus, I about fell out of my chair.

[Mommy2KandM]

Actually they did have Ted Haggard flat out state that Jesus was the only way to get to heaven, which I could applaud.:clap It was still a kind of "one world thing" when viewed as a whole though.

He did .. but then he didn't. :lol He left it open for people to work out their salvation with God if they die with out accepting Jesus. What is there to work out once you pass on? :noidea

[cinlynn]

He didn't flat out address them and say, I don't believe these things. But the things he said pointed to having to deny these things about God in order to belive what he belives.

Let me see if I can remember them... one was omnipresence.

Doctrine of necessary atonement.(only Jesus Christ)

and and and thinking here....... and Gods immutability (that God doesn't change)

Gods foreknowledge (But I already knew Haggard was an open theist, so expected that one.)

and I think that was it. :laugh


Oh. Well, those are certainly biggies! Aren't these coming dangerously close to denying that God IS God? :confused


Now, I wish I had watched it.. on one hand. On the other hand, I'm glad I didn't! :lol

[Writesinme]

And why not interview Randy Alcorn. He has the huge book on HEAVEN. :lol Perhaps he wasn't wishy washy enough for her tastes. :noidea

Wow, just hit me that Randy Alcorn wasn't on the show! I'm with you--why not? He would have been great.

I was hoping to see Franklin Graham, too.

Still, she did interview more Christians than I thought she would. And if she made anyone out to look wacky, it was the failed suicide bombers. I'd say that was appropriate!

[Mommy2KandM]

On the other hand, I'm glad I didn't! :lol


Well in my opinion that is what open theism leads to. You mess with Gods attributes and you end up with a distorted view of God. One that takes Him out of being who He says He is eventually. :sigh

[Mommy2KandM]

I was hoping to see Franklin Graham, too.



yes, he would have been another great one for the show! :):

[Catwoman]

I thought the segment with the Dali Lamai (sp?) was interesting. His believers believe he is a god but when she asked him if he was he said no....and made some comment about he had an eye irritation and a god would not have that.

Seems strange that he himself doesn't believe what his own followers do.

[Mommy2KandM]

And if she made anyone out to look wacky, it was the failed suicide bombers. I'd say that was appropriate!

This is true. I wonder if he knew he was speaking to a Jew? (isn't Barbra Jewish by heritage?)

[Julie-a]

I must admit--I was pleasantly surprised that Barbara kept it as balanced as she did. I really thought Christianity would be short-changed as far as time, presentation and number of people interviwed.
As mentioned, tho, it still came across as a spirituality all-one-with-the-universe kind of a thing. Still, at the end, when she asked people to describe Heaven, the Christian viewpoint was the most beautifully expressed.

What about this Ellen Athiest chick? I've seen her before and she's quite adamant about this life being all this is. Oh, and the camp for non-religious kids? Sad world we're in.


I too thought it was fairly presented and did not skew Christians or any other religion to show the 'fanatics' that are not a true representation of the typical person.

And the Atheist lady was a strange cookie. The poor kids are only going along with what they have been taught. It is sad. I will be praying for them and their parents tonight!

[Mommy2KandM]

And the Atheist lady was a strange cookie. The poor kids are only going along with what they have been taught. It is sad. I will be praying for them and their parents tonight!


Course that is the exact same thing they say about Christian kids.. minus the praying for them part. :laugh

[My Abba's Child]

I was pleased to see a pastor (didn't catch his name) say that believing in Jesus guarantees you will be in heaven for eternity and, if you DON'T believe in Jesus, unfortunately, you will not be in heaven, you will be in hell. Finally... no waffling on the truth! She said, "What do you say about people who say that evangelicals are close minded and judgemental about their way being the only way?" He said something like, "Well, I say that drinking water will make your life healthier; some might think that drinking Drano is healthy. I have to tell them, no matter how you may feel led that drinking Drano is fine for your health, I'll have to be judgemental of that belief and tell you that drinking water is far better for your health." :lol

In His love,

[cinlynn]

Well in my opinion that is what open theism leads to. You mess with Gods attributes and you end up with a have distorted view of God. One that takes Him out of being who He says He is eventually. :sigh

Very much so. :sigh

[Heavensent]

This is true. I wonder if he knew he was speaking to a Jew? (isn't Barbra Jewish by heritage?)

Yes Barbara is of Jewish heritage, but according to Barbara her family was non practicing. She was on O'Reilly this week and said her family didn't go to synagogue or anything.

[Kathleen]

This is true. I wonder if he knew he was speaking to a Jew? (isn't Barbra Jewish by heritage?)

He knew it,she said..I am Jewish..he said she would end up in Hell... :tsk

[Mommy2KandM]

He knew it,she said..I am Jewish..he said she would end up in Hell... :tsk


Actually, I think that was in response to her saying she does not follow Mohamed. He stated you must follow Mohamed to get into heaven.. you must become a Muslim. She replied she is not a Muslim and does not follow Muhammad and asked if that meant she was going to hell. And he said Yes.

I will give the terrorist this... he doesn't wavier on his beliefs and says it how he believes it is.. even if it makes him look bad.
Unfortunately he is just believing in Muhammad and not Jesus Christ as Lord. :(:

[TruthGiver]

I found the show interesting and it opened the door for me to wittness to my Mom who is a beliver but doesn't really know anything about the Bible, Heaven, etc. I was able to give her the truth during the show and compare it to all the false beliefs. She is much more informed now. I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on the part where they interviewed people who had near death experiences? Is is possible to die and view Heaven for a short time and then return to your body?

[His Bride]

Saw the first hour but fell asleep for the second hour. My family all has the flu or a really bad cold. Anyway, I thought it was fairly predictable. However, if anyone has not worshipped in an evangelical church before and viewed the happenings at Ted Haggard's, they might have wondered what was being smoked. Evangelical churches vary in style and appearance. That was my only thought. He handled himself as well as could be expected considering that her questions were very specific.

The Dali Lama seemed like a cute orange teddy bear, who could NOT want to be a Buddhist? And Richard Gere lent it some American credibility.

The Muslim interviews were varied and at first they didn't seem to all agree with one another. Bottom line, your greatest sexual fantasies will be fulfilled if you are a martyr for Allah because you never got them satisfied on earth. How could any westerner succumb to that way of thinking? I could only agree that the god of this world has blinded their eyes.

Anyway, praise Jesus, who remains the same yesterday, today, and forever. No matter what people believe or think to make themselves feel better, God still is in control. He is who He is. He will prevail and one day everyone will bow their knee before Him. And no, not all will go to Heaven.

[nursemichelle95]

I think Ted could have done better but he definitely made it clear that Jesus was the only way to Heaven. It's a shame that Franklin Graham wasn't on..he would have made it crystal clear. :heh

I thought the segment with the Dali Lamai (sp?) was interesting. His believers believe he is a god but when she asked him if he was he said no....and made some comment about he had an eye irritation and a god would not have that.

Seems strange that he himself doesn't believe what his own followers do.


Ya know, the dl didn't sound too bad...until he said that this time on earth now was closer to Heaven than to Hell. That was scary. :tape

[Catwoman]

I don't believe a thing the Dali believes but he seems like a very pleasant, lovely man. I thought he was charming.

[Writesinme]

Yes, the DL was a delightful little man. I loved the way he laughed. Sure wish his beliefs were different--wouldn't he be fun to hang out with in Heaven?!

[countmeworthy]

Well if the Lord saved PAUL, who was Saul persecuting Christians and the Lord saved US, HE can SURELY save the Dali Lama. Today is still the day of Salvation. :thumb

[Catwoman]

Well if the Lord saved PAUL, who was Saul persecuting Christians and the Lord saved US, HE can SURELY save the Dali Lama. Today is still the day of Salvation. :thumb


Yes I'll pray for him. As I said before I think he's charming. I can see his appeal. The Lord made him that way for His glory..it's time Dali started using his gifts to serve the true Master.