The Problem With Hal!

[scott stewart]

Although I appreciate Hal Lindsey's reporting over the years! I do have a right to question his motives! Hal has made a ministry of selling materials and appearing on TBN! Yes, he has renouced the PA and called Islam to the table! But still has a warm spot in his heart for good ole TBN although they are cancelling him!

TBN is a place of false teaching and that is that! Yes, you will see Adrian Rogers, Chuck Smith and Charles Stanley but 99% of the teaching is from false teachers! Making it a vehicle of Satan to transfer his lies to the unsuspecting Christians!

Call it what it is "a wolf in sheeps clothing" but now is the time to stand up against this false teaching network and stand with Christ!

His return will come soon! And will He say? ....... I didn't know you?

If Hal really wants to make a stand he will tell it like it is TBN is deception at the highest level and will never associate with that apostate network again!

God Bless!
The Scotsman :yell

[TheKingisComing]

Scott Tbn like it or not reaches the Masses :wave Im a huge hal Lindsey Fan!! What do u expect to get free material of his for freee? i just bought his hand signed book from his web site!! He has never twisted anyones arm to Buy books or teaching material!! :wave

[70thWeek]

What qualifies someone as a false teacher?

[MGMickey]

I certainly don't fault anyone who sells materials to support their ministry. In fact, I pick up a few reading materials here and there in support of those I trust are doing the Lord's work! They have to pay for their air time somehow.

I sort of see where Scotsman is coming from, but only sort of. Although I think TBN has a great deal of questionable content, I can't say I think Hal shouldn't broadcast his show there for that reason. If they would give him air time on MTV, I'd be like, "Go on there and tell them, Hal!" :wave

[ginnae]

I brought up the same type of question about a month ago in Christian Chat, but seems most here think it is quite alright. I was just wondering why the good teachers want to be supported by a questionable network (by that the way they raise money to broadcast all those shows)

[stormtrooper]

Scott Tbn like it or not reaches the Masses :wave Im a huge hal Lindsey Fan!! What do u expect to get free material of his for freee? i just bought his hand signed book from his web site!! He has never twisted anyones arm to Buy books or teaching material!! :wave

Mostly reaching the masses with false doctrine. I agree with Scott, TBN is a joke and Hal could do better.

[nancyjean]

Do better where??

[stormtrooper]

Stream his show online. Radio. Other tv channels if need be. TBN is not the only answer.

[ready2go]

What qualifies someone as a false teacher?
Be wrong once. In the OT they were stoned to death if they were wrong once. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

[savedandhappy1]

Be wrong once. In the OT they were stoned to death if they were wrong once. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.


Oh, my I have been wrong more then once. I guess I should be stoned to death.

[ready2go]

Oh, my I have been wrong more then once. I guess I should be stoned to death.
Do you claim to be a prophet of God?

[savedandhappy1]

Do you claim to be a prophet of God?

I believe the statement was false teacher, and I consider all of us as disciples of Christ. Which would be a type of teacher. What I was posting to is pasted below.

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Originally Posted by 70thWeek
What qualifies someone as a false teacher?

Be wrong once. In the OT they were stoned to death if they were wrong once. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

I believe I stated on another thread that maybe we should define with scriptures what exactly false teacher/preacher, prophet, etc. means. Still not so sure we shouldn't.

[ready2go]

I believe the statement was false teacher, and I consider all of us as disciples of Christ. Which would be a type of teacher. What I was posting to is pasted below.
My posts were looking at it from a OT point of view. If somone is willing to stand up and make a bunch of predictions in God's name and one of them does not come true...then they are a false prophet.

[The Believer]

Mostly reaching the masses with false doctrine. I agree with Scott, TBN is a joke and Hal could do better.

I agree TBN is a joke. But unfortunately, there are no other channels that are pure enough to reach the masses.... Including TBN.

The Believer

[carmen]

I believe the statement was false teacher, and I consider all of us as disciples of Christ. Which would be a type of teacher. Not to go too far off topic, but I think scripture has something specific in mind for the role of teacher, and not all believers fill that role. James 3:1 Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

That verse just kind of popped in my mind and I thought it might contribute :):

[MedicDave]

Hal doesn't claim to be a prophet of God, going so far as to REALLY make sure people know that at numerous times, to include a few nights ago on Coast to Coast.

Should Hal be broadcasting on TBN, an apostate broadcast station? Should any minister be on TV? Television is an undulating septic tank of Godlessness and loathing if you haven't noticed.

Why are we on the internet? Almost all the revenue generated via the internet is from pornography. Heck, Rapture Ready is on the same exact medium some of the most fetid, horrible sin that can be viewed exists on.

This isn't directed at any one poster nor am I trying to sound like a Rasping Snicklefritz (TM); God knows I've been wrong many, many times in my life--wrong enough to be stoned to death I reckon.

[savedandhappy1]

Not to go too far off topic, but I think scripture has something specific in mind for the role of teacher, and not all believers fill that role. James 3:1 Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

That verse just kind of popped in my mind and I thought it might contribute :):


The Great Commission was given to all of us, was it not? To do that we will have to preach the gospel. We may not be called a preacher, but I don't know how we could not be consider a type of teacher.

Again, I might suggest that we define teacher/preacher/prophet, and then it would be easier to define the false of those.

[savedandhappy1]

My posts were looking at it from a OT point of view. If somone is willing to stand up and make a bunch of predictions in God's name and one of them does not come true...then they are a false prophet.


Well your answer was to 70thweek's question as to what qualifies a false teacher, so I was commenting on that.

[walksbyf8h]

Although I appreciate Hal Lindsey's reporting over the years! I do have a right to question his motives! Hal has made a ministry of selling materials and appearing on TBN! Yes, he has renouced the PA and called Islam to the table! But still has a warm spot in his heart for good ole TBN although they are cancelling him!

TBN is a place of false teaching and that is that! Yes, you will see Adrian Rogers, Chuck Smith and Charles Stanley but 99% of the teaching is from false teachers! Making it a vehicle of Satan to transfer his lies to the unsuspecting Christians!

Call it what it is "a wolf in sheeps clothing" but now is the time to stand up against this false teaching network and stand with Christ!

His return will come soon! And will He say? ....... I didn't know you?

If Hal really wants to make a stand he will tell it like it is TBN is deception at the highest level and will never associate with that apostate network again!

God Bless!
The Scotsman :yell


I agree pretty much but think you are asking Hal, and any true minister of the Gospel, to do something that only the L0rd can. There will be 'tares' amongst the 'wheat' but we are to grow up together. For whatever reason, TBN is reaching masses of people. That is why those brothers that you mentioned are there. They are trying to reach the masses. They are also on network TV, right? That is their job, to push the Gospel forward no matter what, no matter where. And G0d bless Adrian Rogers (promoted), Chuck Smith and Charles Stanley.

Scotsman, if people can't see the real next to the fake, how can they make a discerning choice? Anyone who listens to any of the 3 brothers mentioned and then 'dines' on a false prophet will be held accountable by the L0rd. They will have no excuse before Him.

[busterdog]

Not to go too far off topic, but I think scripture has something specific in mind for the role of teacher, and not all believers fill that role. James 3:1 Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

That verse just kind of popped in my mind and I thought it might contribute :):

Correct. But, again, many of the TBN doctrines rejected as heretical are not condemned specifically in scripture, yet the "doctrine" of dividing the body of Christ is. The basic Rom. 10 confession qualifies many at TBN to be part of the body. As much as their ideas are fair game for discussion and challenge (restore such a once in spirit of meekness), this thread started with the idea of rejecting a very large part of the body, not just their ideas.

1Cr 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

[HeartlandGal]

Hal doesn't claim to be a prophet of God, going so far as to REALLY make sure people know that at numerous times, to include a few nights ago on Coast to Coast.

Should Hal be broadcasting on TBN, an apostate broadcast station? Should any minister be on TV? Television is an undulating septic tank of Godlessness and loathing if you haven't noticed.

Why are we on the internet? Almost all the revenue generated via the internet is from pornography. Heck, Rapture Ready is on the same exact medium some of the most fetid, horrible sin that can be viewed exists on.

This isn't directed at any one poster nor am I trying to sound like a Rasping Snicklefritz (TM); God knows I've been wrong many, many times in my life--wrong enough to be stoned to death I reckon.

:clap I think this is a really good point.

If you want to condemn Hal, not because of his show but because of the network,then you need to condemn this same website, not because of the website but because of the internet that carries it. The same descretion that you have to use while using the internet, needs to be used while using your tv, your radio, and places you go to.

[JohnS]

This isn't directed at any one poster nor am I trying to sound like a Rasping Snicklefritz (TM);

Does that mean that no one else can be a Rasping Snicklefritz?

Was anyone else here on Hal's message board? If I recall correctly, it was shut down because the posters were continually critisizing TBN.

[johnwayne]

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John 7:16-17
Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
If a man has a heart to do the will of God, he will be able to spot false teachers.

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[whiplash]

Television is an undulating septic tank of Godlessness and loathing if you haven't noticed.


That quote is priceless, MedicDave!

[haeschen]

My concern is that TBN is the leader that takes those masses back to Rome - the Ecumenical unity - which is the manmade false unity in contrat to the UNITY of the SPIRIT which all true believers belong to.
When I left TBN as a prayer partner at our local station, God gave me this scripture to help me understand why it was time to move away. Perhaps God is asking Hal to do the same.

Deu 13:1-4
"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of dreams,
For the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandmends, and obey his voice,and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him"

re: "other gods"
The Lord showed me that the teaching 'we are little gods' {Hinn, Copeland} and other false doctrines taught there at TBN is the reason I needed to leave.

[4everHis]

My posts were looking at it from a OT point of view. If somone is willing to stand up and make a bunch of predictions in God's name and one of them does not come true...then they are a false prophet.

Hal does not make predictions from his mouth as a "prophet".
He makes comments and tells us what is going to happen
prophetically from a biblical point of view on current events.

I suppose at the end of the day those that appreciate Hal will
like him and those that don't, won't.

[Medic911]

If a "satanic broadcasting network" existed and offered to allow me the chance to go on their network and preach the Truth, I would happily do so.

I think that the greater sin would be to allow them to continue teaching false doctrines, and pass up an opportunity to reach those who are seeking truth by way of their network.

"When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. "

[AnotherOldGuy]

I'm not a big Hal Lindsey fan, but I don't really begrudge him being on tbn. What's the point in 'preaching to the choir'? You tell your message to those who need to hear it.

Paul did basically the same thing when he went to Greece. He preached at the Areopagus - right in the midst of pagan temples. That was pretty much the means of mass communication back then. He even commended them on being 'religious'. But he didn't tell them how they were so wrong - he told them why he was so right.

[MGMickey]

If a "satanic broadcasting network" existed and offered to allow me the chance to go on their network and preach the Truth, I would happily do so.

I think that the greater sin would be to allow them to continue teaching false doctrines, and pass up an opportunity to reach those who are seeking truth by way of their network.

"When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. "

Amen, Medic! Whatever we must do and wherever we must go, the Truth needs to be told --- and anyplace it can be!

[MrJim]

Perhaps this could be Hal's chance, along with the other doctrinally-sound teachers on TBN, to start their own new Christian network. I've never watched TBN (we don't get it with our cable company) but from what most of the posters have said, there are only a handful of programs worth watching. Maybe we should write to those teachers/preachers we like and give them this suggestion, while praying about it. God can and does turn what seems to be a bag thing (Hal being "fired") and turn it to good.

[savedandhappy1]

If a "satanic broadcasting network" existed and offered to allow me the chance to go on their network and preach the Truth, I would happily do so.

I think that the greater sin would be to allow them to continue teaching false doctrines, and pass up an opportunity to reach those who are seeking truth by way of their network.

"When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. "


AMEN!!

I remember when O'Hara went after prayer in schools. I ask my mother if she would win, and was told no, because we are a Christian nation. So we Christians just sit there and did nothing. Now look at our nation. We should get the gospel out by any means, and stand up and be counted for the Lord.

[SeaDreamer]

Why is TBN cancelling Hal? I didn't know that.

[Castle]

If a "satanic broadcasting network" existed and offered to allow me the chance to go on their network and preach the Truth, I would happily do so.

I think that the greater sin would be to allow them to continue teaching false doctrines, and pass up an opportunity to reach those who are seeking truth by way of their network.

"When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. "


Absolutely - :nod

[Angelglory]

Oh, my I have been wrong more then once. I guess I should be stoned to death.

:lol

[architectlink]

Did any of the disciples profit from their speaking materials?

[scott stewart]

Please do not misunderstand me! I admire Hal Lindsey and think he is one of the leading prophecy teachers of our time! I agree with Mr. Jim it is time for the wheat to be seperated from the tares! Unite under a true Christian format! No beg-a-thons etc. CSN radio promotes to my knowledge 100% teaching from the word of God! Couldn't the true Bible believing Christian preachers and teachers follow that model to include television! What about it Chuck Smith, Mike Kessler and Greg Laurie? CSN television! Awesome

[MedicDave]

Please do not misunderstand me! I admire Hal Lindsey and think he is one of the leading prophecy teachers of our time! I agree with Mr. Jim it is time for the wheat to be seperated from the tares! Unite under a true Christian format! No beg-a-thons etc. CSN radio promotes to my knowledge 100% teaching from the word of God! Couldn't the true Bible believing Christian preachers and teachers follow that model to include television! What about it Chuck Smith, Mike Kessler and Greg Laurie? CSN television! Awesome

What's CSN? I wish there was radio programming and TV here that had some hard hitting Christian programming. I don't ever hear anything great on the radio, and well, I don't have a TV. :B:

[ready2go]

Hal does not make predictions from his mouth as a "prophet".
He makes comments and tells us what is going to happen
prophetically from a biblical point of view on current events.

I suppose at the end of the day those that appreciate Hal will
like him and those that don't, won't.
I wasn't refering to Hal when I posted that. I'm actually a big fan of his.

[Becky]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper:

Hal is not a false teacher. He comments on Bible prophesy and world events. If you are going to call someone a false teacher than by all means show proof. If not, do not lie. That's right: lie. It's a small word with very large meaning. Ponder that fact.

Scott, there are a few good programs on TBN that show the truth in the World. Hals' show was one of them. Don't you think getting the truth out there is more important? Maybe it would help shine a light on the lies of TBN.

[Trac]

Was anyone else here on Hal's message board? If I recall correctly, it was shut down because the posters were continually critisizing TBN.


Yes I was on Hals board.

And I think it was a deal on pink hair that finally broke the camels back and he closed it down.

[scott stewart]

Questions we must ask.... Did Jesus want us to be unequally yolked with nonbelievers and or deceivers?

Would Jesus and His disciples appear on the beg-a-thons singing country western christian format songs behind Benny and Paul?

Would He not call it for what it is? Of course He would! And all those with decerning (sp) hearts would follow and leave that place!

They would follow the messiah!

[Becky]

Was Hal on the same stage, Scott?

Jesus dined with the tax collector. And I would vent to guess that this is spiritual warfare. We need to shine the truth on the lies of TBN.

[scott stewart]

CSN, Calvary Satellite Radio 88.1 on my dial! It's 24/7! Go to the Calvary Chapel website or google Chuck Smith Costa Mesa Church! Sound biblical teaching and preaching the best I have found!

[scott stewart]

Becky I would never go on TBN! Jesus would but would not remain in a den of theives! He would go anywhere to preach the gospel anywhere including Hell! But would not remain there! That is the difference! Hal needs to go elsewhere! He needs to part ways with this group! God is speaking to Him it's obvious they canceled him! Again I love hal's ministry and reporting but he must move on!

God Bless
Scott

[ohappyday]

What do you who think he should not be on TBN do. There is more people in the world than those here at Rapture ready. I live in the country and only get TBN. I have no other choice. Many, many people are in the same boat. My God people it doesn't matter where you declare the word from, just do it. Hal is a voice crying in the wilderness, we need thousands like him. All of us would do well to shut our mouths and line up for the position he has. How many people do we reach with this he is false, he is false stuff. The world is full of people who are more than willing to point out the Sunday corn shuckers. Jesus is coming back soon, there's no time for this we need to get on the front lines and say thus says the Lord. Mark my words TBN is on the way out if they don't wise up. God gave them the platform on which they stand and he can and will pull it from their feet, if they don't repent and use the platform for the glory of God. It was people like me and many of you that gave them the money to put those Holy Beamers that Paul C likes to call them up so the Gospel could be preached to all the world. So I say let God be god, he will deal with TBN as he sees fit.

[savedandhappy1]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper:

Hal is not a false teacher. He comments on Bible prophesy and world events. If you are going to call someone a false teacher than by all means show proof. If not, do not lie. That's right: lie. It's a small word with very large meaning. Ponder that fact.

Scott, there are a few good programs on TBN that show the truth in the World. Hals' show was one of them. Don't you think getting the truth out there is more important? Maybe it would help shine a light on the lies of TBN.


Becky,

I am not sure where you got that I think Hal is a false anything. I watch him every week, and love his insight.

I never said he was in fact I have been trying to warn people about the way they are wording things about some of the people on TBN.

edit and have PM'd you Becky.

[stormtrooper]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper:

Hal is not a false teacher. He comments on Bible prophesy and world events. If you are going to call someone a false teacher than by all means show proof. If not, do not lie. That's right: lie. It's a small word with very large meaning. Ponder that fact.

Scott, there are a few good programs on TBN that show the truth in the World. Hals' show was one of them. Don't you think getting the truth out there is more important? Maybe it would help shine a light on the lies of TBN.

Becky, I believe you misunderstood my post. I never claimed Hal was a false prophet. On the contrary, I agree with Hal and support him. My comment on false doctrine to the masses was aimed at TBN which for the most part I believe is a garbage network.

[lighthouse]

well he was on this am at 6am this sunday morning
and talking about the rapture

[dpfan]

Did any of the disciples profit from their speaking materials?

That's not fair - scripture is clear the those who preach the Gospel are entitled to earn their living through it:

Corinthians 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Galatians 6:6 Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.

Since Hal doesn't have a congregation to support him, how is he supposed to support himself if not through offerings and the sale of materials? I have purchased several of his books for myself, and several others as gifts for friends. They were well written and reasonably priced - an excellent value.

[ipjones6000]

Can we add anything TBN related to the topic which no one speaks about, like Harry Potter? Everyone seems to degenerate into mindless argumentation whenever this topic comes up.

[Angelglory]

I wonder what is really going on? I just feel like we don't know the whole story. I think there is more going on. Why would TBN take off one of the best, most accurate shows of all? It just doesn't make sense. Who is going to explain the things going on in Israel to us? :confused Soon and very soon! Waiting and Watching for his glorious appearing! :thumb

[ready2go]

Why would TBN take off one of the best, most accurate shows of all? It just doesn't make sense.
Why would they have shows on that some consider to be run by people who are false prophets and these shows are still on? Maybe there is a little spiritual warfare going on?

[RedBall]

Be wrong once. In the OT they were stoned to death if they were wrong once. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

You're thinking of a false prophet, or someone who claims to speak on God's behalf. Teaching false doctrine is bad, but it's not the same thing as saying "God spoke to me and said that if you don't support my ministry, blah blah blah red hot horny toads blah blah blah..." Whereas false teaching can be unintentional.

[Becky]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper, please accept my apologies. I misread your posts. I hope you can forgive me.

[stormtrooper]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper, please accept my apologies. I misread your posts. I hope you can forgive me.

No sweat. :thumb :D:

[savedandhappy1]

savedandhappy1 and stormtrooper, please accept my apologies. I misread your posts. I hope you can forgive me.


I think that happens to all of us more times then we want to think. God Bless.

[Becky]

Thank you both so much. :hug It gets a little confusing in my brain. :Madgrin