Benny Hinn

[Christian_Man]

Did anyone else see his show on TBN today? Where he was showing the events happening in Jerusalem, when they showed that replica of the ark of the covenant? And he also talked about how they're about to begin work on rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem, and an Orthadox Jew stood up and said in front of a crowd, that if Jesus is the Messiah they've been waiting for, he'll willingly accept him. That episode really showed how little time there is left before the rapture. It may all be on his site, bennyhinn.org I haven't checked yet.

[Indiana Janz]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.

[Changes]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.

:spit

[The Sower]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.



someways he is: he plays a part:twitch

apart that i dont wont to have no part of::crazy

[Cambrios]

Whether you like him or not, Benny Hinn is preaching the gospel to more people around the world than any of us probably ever could.

I saw those shows, and yes, it was very interesting. He does have the pictures on his site, but you can also find the Ark and lots of other temple things at the Temple Institute website here (http://www.templeinstitute.org).

Camb

[MrMannn]

He is a false prophet and teaches heresies. Nothing good comes from this wolf in sheeps clothing.
Don't trust him.

[cnav]

Noticed the ark mentioned..does anyone have any insight on this verse?


Revelation 11:19 KJV

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 11:19 NIV Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

In Strong's Concordance the reference number for testament is 1242

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...8660-7785.html

1) a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will

2) a compact, a covenant, a testament

a) God's covenant with Noah, etc.

It is interesting that John saw the ark of his covenant/testament in heaven. Many are looking for it here. Is there a difference?

[cameron222]

People are falling over backwards to get into these Binny Hinn concerts......:B:

[vesper]

Are there really that many broken and deceived people in the world that they cannot see the wolf knocking on their door. That they stand in line to get into 'concerts' such as this in hopes they or their loved ones will be healed? Has the true Body of Christ failed that much?
Countless millions wait to see this guy.
When all they need to do is open their eyes to Christ within.

[Team Noah]

He is a false prophet and teaches heresies. Nothing good comes from this wolf in sheeps clothing.
Don't trust him.


you are right.


hinn is just fleecing the flock :tsk


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[sracer]

Are there really that many broken and deceived people in the world that they cannot see the wolf knocking on their door.
Yes. When you consider the fact that the unrepentent thief was simply a few feet away from Jesus Himself and denied Him unto death, are you really surprised?

How about the BILLIONS who follow false religions?

That they stand in line to get into 'concerts' such as this in hopes they or their loved ones will be healed? Has the true Body of Christ failed that much?
Countless millions wait to see this guy.
When all they need to do is open their eyes to Christ within.
The Body of Christ has not failed. The true Gospel message is getting out, but many will refuse anyways. It's about the state of the individual's heart. They look for physical healing because they have their minds and hearts set on this earth... not on the eternal.

Benny Hinn and the Word-Faith movement preach a gospel of "How you can make God do what you want Him to." There's no humility in THAT belief... plenty of pride, but no humility.

[SavedandLoved]

If I wanted to say what I really thought about Benny Hinn I think I would be banned from this board and my mother would fly to my house to wash my mouth out with soap.

[busterdog]

He is a false prophet and teaches heresies. Nothing good comes from this wolf in sheeps clothing.
Don't trust him.

How do you know that nothing good comes from Mr. Hinn? I could challenge his teaching like everyone else. He preaches more gospel than a good many of his critics.

[cporter73]

This is a man who is after glory and praise for himself. He is NOTHING like Christ at all! The Lord would take people aside, away from the crowds to heal them, not stand up on a platform for all to see. Benny Hinn makes me want to throw up, parading around in his fancy suits, slapping people in the forehead. I have yet to be convinced that anyone was actually healed at one of these circuses. While he may be preaching to gospel, I think he has watered it down a lot and people are only there because they are so desperate for healing.

[Daddys_girl]

He's got a great tailor; I'll give him that much.


As to some of the other comments, [bites lip] :pound

[cnav]

In Oct. 1996 a dear elderly sister in the LORD wanted desperately to go to see Benny Hinn at one of his Toronto crusades. She was a partner in his ministry.

She had no way to go and I felt compelled to take her as this seemed so important to her. At the time I had never paid much attention to Benny Hinn.

She made 3 phone calls to Orlando to get all her information correct before going. The deal was partners were to get in from 3-5 pm, 2 hours ahead of the "general public".

When we got there, there was a partner line and a general public line both going in different directions at the door. While in line (the partner line)someone I knew was right in front of us. This lady has severe allergies. A bus of people coming to the crusade stopped right beside us and the exhaust was making her feel faint. The lady I brought agreed I should go with this lady and see if we could just stand inside the door away from the exhaust while she stayed in line. We did get just inside the door and waited for her.

I stood watching them open one side and let some people from the partner line in and they went to one side of the arena. Then they would shut that door and go open the other door to the general public and let them in and they went to the other side of the arena. I thought what is going on. I knew as the partners came in they would think those were partners on the other side of the arena too. They kept doing this, open one side close it and go to the other side.

Now, I agree all should get in equally, but my point is they lied to their partners that they were getting in two hours ahead of the others. I caught up with one official and verified with him the letter all the partners had received re: getting in two hours early and he said "Oh yes that is true". I told him what I just witnessed telling him they were lying and deceiving their partners and he answered "God bless you."

On beginning Benny introduced his whole stage of Jesuit priests and kept promoting the Pope. Because I have read the Jesuit oath I thought what is going on.

Then there was a man in the front row with his back to us in Arab garb. Benny said turn off the cameras as we don't want to embarass the prince. He introduced him as King Fahd of Saudi Arabia's son and that he had come to ask prayer for his father the king who had cancer. Next thing the "prince" was out on the floor. Benny announced he had been invited to preach
Saudi Arabia. Well it was in the news that King Fahd was ill alright but with a stroke.

My head was spinning by the time I got out of there. I remained troubled about all these Jesuit priests. Not knowing what I was going through this dear Spanish lady came to me three times over the next few weeks wanting me to read the testimony of a former Jesuit priest. The first two times I said NO I had enough to think about. The third time she said "God wants you to read this". I was stunned and then said OK.

To shorten this story. In the testimony there was a picture of someone he said he personally knew and she was sent out in an ecumenical move to unite people with Rome...there was a picture of Katherin Kuhlman....Benny's mentor. He has tables of her books at his crusade.

I was surprised how this lady had bought me this at such a time as this. This priest said they all travel with false ID.

In 2000 a friend (who knows nothing of this story) went to the hospital and saw a magazine with an article on Israel's jubilee so dropped it at my house. The magazine was Charisma and in it was a very short story about Katherin Kuhlman's things being auctioned off. One of the things was her false ID. I thought just what that priest said. Benny was one of two people bidding.

Just a personal experience....the one and only.

[kristine]

Okay, I'm not a Benny Hinn fan myself but could we please address the question that was asked? The thread is in regard to the temple being rebuilt, etc. I have seen his program about the temple, before, and it was very interesting. And yes, I do believe Benny boy is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Now lets address the question at hand.... :nod

[antsinmypants]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.

:spit

I was eating a chicken biscuit just now and about choked! :lol

You are so right.. :sigh

[countmeworthy]

The original commentand question made on this thread was NOT on the character & integrity of Benny Hinn :

"He also talked about how they're about to begin work on rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem, and an Orthadox Jew stood up and said in front of a crowd, that if Jesus is the Messiah they've been waiting for, he'll willingly accept him."

It was an observation made about his recent trip to Jerusalem. What was soooooooo BAD about what he said????

The poster did not say BENNY HINN is an AWESOME prophet or teacher !!

In fact, Christian_Man pointed out that this segment reinforced what we're all believing and witnessing and that is that WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS.

So lighten up everyone !! Sheesh... if anything PRAY FOR BENN HINN instead of just cutting him down.

[Hootmon]

He's got a great tailor; I'll give him that much.
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[antsinmypants]

Noticed the ark mentioned..does anyone have any insight on this verse?


Revelation 11:19 KJV...

It is interesting that John saw the ark of his covenant/testament in heaven. Many are looking for it here. Is there a difference?

There are two arks. One in heaven, and one on earth.

Moses made the replica of what is in heaven for the earthly tabernacle and temple complexes.

Ref: Hebrews 8; Ex 25 & Deut 10.

Around the time of the Babylonian Seige on Jerusalem, it is written in Rabbinic writings that the ark was hidden in a safe place so it would not be seized by the king for ungodly purposes.

Many Levites died during that time protecting the holy instruments in the Temple.... and some of those same instruments were taken into babylon, and later returned to Israel.

The only thing in the re-instituted Temple that was not readily found - was the secretly "spirited away" Ark.

Personally, I don't think it will be found until the time is right for whatever it is G-d has planned for this earth that it is to be used for- whether that is for the AC to find and use it in the Earthly Temple again, or if it not to be found at all due to being corroded by time; and the Heavenly Temple in the New Jerusalem being the only one brought back to earth.

[kristine]

Countmeworthy, you said it better than I did. We must have posted at the same time. :laugh

[cnav]

Thank you for the answer...Antsinmypants

[carmen]

I think most people that posted are just concerned that someone not read this thread and go away without realizing that Benny Hinn is NOT a good source of bibilical information. That truly IS important and does need to be brought out :nod. Of course, by the same token, answering the original post is good too :laugh

[antsinmypants]

The original commentand question made on this thread was NOT on the character & integrity of Benny Hinn :

"He also talked about how they're about to begin work on rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem, and an Orthadox Jew stood up and said in front of a crowd, that if Jesus is the Messiah they've been waiting for, he'll willingly accept him."

It was an observation made about his recent trip to Jerusalem. What was soooooooo BAD about what he said????

Nothing was bad about what the Orthodox Chassidic man had said. Actually, this is the sentiment of MANY right now who are keeping close eyes on the Messianic Movement. They're going into congregations and sending people to investigate and see what we believe... and it's got people questioning their faith without Messiah.

What *IS* bad, is what "Henny Binn" (Benny Hinn) teaches. He's like Henny Penny and Chicken little, false teaching run amok.

It's good to hear what was said; even though it was through *that* outlet.

[antsinmypants]

Thank you for the answer...Antsinmypants

Np :hug

[cnav]

See post below...just posted URL

[cnav]

Question? Should "Christians" be involved in anyway with the rebuilding of the temple? I saw this article some time ago re: Benny and the temple


http://www.letusreason.org/b.hinn13.htm
Buiding a Home for Antichrist

[cnav]

Here is the group with Benny.......


http://www.tarshish.com/

http://www.tarshish.com/about.asp


There is something seriously wrong here...a picture of Benny and an Orthodox Jew praying together for the coming Messiah....Orthodox Jews are waiting for him to come the first time and completely reject Jesus...Christians are praying for the Second Coming of Jesus
So......what is Benny doing?

Ronny Levy an Orthodox Jew and Pastor Benny Hinn praying together in Jerusalem for the coming of the Messiah. Pastor Myles Munroe is also praying with them.

I say Christians BEWARE!
http://www.tarshish.com/message.asp

The Ark which is between us and which is exhibited at the "Prince of Peace" Center is meant to unite Jews and Christians in prayer. The humanitarian center "Prince of Peace" is meant to unite Jews and Christians in acts of charity.

These acts of charity are meant to help both Christians and Jews!

This is true charity; this is true love and brotherhood!

This is the true relationship existing between Christians and Jews!
The relationship between Christians and Jews starts first with spiritualism and after with materialism!

This is the start of Salvation and the Coming of the Messiah!

This is the fulfillment of Bible prophecies in our life!


Come and Join us! Come and take part in the building of a true spiritual bridge between Christians and Jews! Come and take part in true acts of charity for both Jews and Christians! Do not deny these acts, join us and donate to us.

We need your help – the help of each one of you.

[Christian_Man]

He is a false prophet and teaches heresies. Nothing good comes from this wolf in sheeps clothing.
Don't trust him.

what makes you all think that he's bad, when I've heard nothing false come out of his mouth? there seems to be alot of judging going on and with no proof, but I would expect that from a board full of people who talk about preachers constantly...

[Christian_Man]

Question? Should "Christians" be involved in anyway with the rebuilding of the temple? I saw this article some time ago re: Benny and the temple


http://www.letusreason.org/b.hinn13.htm
Buiding a Home for Antichrist
we're not involved in it actually, but the fact of the matter is it will be rebuilt regardless of who's involved, because its prophecy.

[cnav]

Sorry....double post

[Daddys_girl]

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Good thing I wasn't eating OR drinking............!!!!:pound :pound :pound

[carmen]

what makes you all think that he's bad, when I've heard nothing false come out of his mouth? there seems to be alot of judging going on and with no proof, but I would expect that from a board full of people who talk about preachers constantly...Here's a start on the "proof"--from his own mouth: http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=1

:mod Also, Christian Man, if you aren't happy with the board, there are many other boards out there that you might find meet your needs a little better :):. Otherwise, please refrain from unnecessary attacks on the membership here.

[Fancirae]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.


Absolutely priceless and I needed that good deep belly laff.

[cnav]

What makes all this really scary is that re: Carmen's post above...Benny said Jesus would appear with him on stage...many remember that

Look what this Orthodox rabbi said in the post above..

an Orthadox Jew stood up and said in front of a crowd, that if Jesus is the Messiah they've been waiting for, he'll willingly accept him.

I am skeptical of Benny Hinn..and who he says is in his audience after what I witnessed in Toronto...re: the Saudi Arabian "prince"..but first all cameras were ordered off

[His Bride]

I am concerned at the number of people here who watch and believe the false teachers onTBN. Please, everyone, stop listening to these charlatans and get back to the truth. There are other, more credible, Christian teachers and pastors.

[Lexie]

This whole thing on this link is very shocking to me. http://www.tarshish.com/message.asp The people behind it, own TV stations. I would not donate to building the Temple. Jesus will have a temple in the millennium? The humanitarian aspects of ALL these ministries is very disturbing. Things are becoming very clear to me right now.

http://www.myfortress.org/MarcusLamb.html

[ellie]

Are there really that many broken and deceived people in the world that they cannot see the wolf knocking on their door. That they stand in line to get into 'concerts' such as this in hopes they or their loved ones will be healed? Has the true Body of Christ failed that much?
Countless millions wait to see this guy.
When all they need to do is open their eyes to Christ within.

In a Word yes!:cry

[ImgoingUp]

Its time to focus on God and treasure the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth and be our true teacher. I have a friend that is so over the top about different people on the tv -- from secular news programs to preachers like Benny Hinn. For me -- I have to watch Jesus, because He is coming in the clouds, and all who look on Him will become like Him and purify himself. Hallelujah --:dancing :dancing :dancing even so Lord Jesus Come!!

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John 2:15-17 (King James Version)

15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

[HeXp£Øi±]

Here's a start on the "proof"--from his own mouth: http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=aquote&id=1

:mod Also, Christian Man, if you aren't happy with the board, there are many other boards out there that you might find meet your needs a little better :):. Otherwise, please refrain from unnecessary attacks on the membership here.

Stop trying to chase people away. His attack wasn't that great but is mearly how he currently sees the situation. Obviously he was on the defensive because Benny hinn means something to him. The board is not a person and therefor it won't be offended. Let him stay and learn instead.

[carmen]

Stop trying to chase people away. His attack wasn't that great but is mearly how he currently sees the situation. Obviously he was on the defensive because Benny hinn means something to him. The board is not a person and therefor it won't be offended. Let him stay and learn instead.Actually, I wasn't trying to chase anyone away :):. Since he apparently feels as he does about the membership here, I was merely letting him know that he has options, but attacks on the membership won't be tolerated. He is welcome to stay, and learn, as long as he doesn't do that. I do realize that the board isn't a person and therefore won't be offended ;):

If you have any other issues, please send a PM to me, since I don't want to further derail the thread :):

[iwillnotstumble]

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wheres mini me?

[iwillnotstumble]

Its time to focus on God and treasure the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth and be our true teacher. I have a friend that is so over the top about different people on the tv -- from secular news programs to preachers like Benny Hinn. For me -- I have to watch Jesus, because He is coming in the clouds, and all who look on Him will become like Him and purify himself. Hallelujah --:dancing :dancing :dancing even so Lord Jesus Come!!
:clap :clap

[Waiting4theKing]

Yes, Benny Hinn certainly is an indicator that we are getting closer to the return of Christ.

Well-said Indy :): very tongue-in-cheek :clap

[Waiting4theKing]

Whether you like him or not, Benny Hinn is preaching the gospel to more people around the world than any of us probably ever could.

I saw those shows, and yes, it was very interesting. He does have the pictures on his site, but you can also find the Ark and lots of other temple things at the Temple Institute website here (http://www.templeinstitute.org).

Camb

Benny Hinn's "Gospel" is HERESY!!!! :mad

[Waiting4theKing]

...It is interesting that John saw the ark of his covenant/testament in heaven. Many are looking for it here[/B]. Is there a difference?


The Ark that Moses made was a replica of the Ark/Mercy Seat in the Temple of The Lord in Heaven. There are therefore 2 Arks... An earthly one and a Heavenly one :):

Exodus 25:9 According to all that I shew thee, [after] the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make [it]. (Emphasis added)

[Waiting4theKing]

what makes you all think that he's bad, when I've heard nothing false come out of his mouth? there seems to be alot of judging going on and with no proof, but I would expect that from a board full of people who talk about preachers constantly...

Christian_Man, I suggest you read "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanegraff. Mr. Hanegraff exposes a lot of the false teachings uttered by the likes of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Paul Crouch, and many of the other proponents of "Faith Theology." A VERY enlightening read

Remember Acts 17:11. Don't take anyone's word for it... Search The Word yourself. :):

[The Sower]

Whether you like him or not, Benny Hinn is preaching the gospel to more people around the world than any of us probably ever could.

I saw those shows, and yes, it was very interesting. He does have the pictures on his site, but you can also find the Ark and lots of other temple things at the Temple Institute website here (http://www.templeinstitute.org).

Camb


What gospel is that....:twitch

[MidnightCry]

Just curious -- what are people's thoughts about what will happen in heaven (if anything) to these Christians who are saved enough to get into heaven yet have lived a life of false teaching down here? Isn't there something in the Bible about teachers being responsible for what they say? I dunno -- I'm asking . . .
:noidea

[MrMannn]

Just curious -- what are people's thoughts about what will happen in heaven (if anything) to these Christians who are saved enough to get into heaven yet have lived a life of false teaching down here? Isn't there something in the Bible about teachers being responsible for what they say? I dunno -- I'm asking . . .
:noidea

I won't tackle the issue of questioning a mans salvation.

I will only say anyone can wave a Bible and be called a preacher-even the lost!
Just because someone stands on the pulpit and preaches the Word doesn't mean they are saved.

Jesus said (my paraphrase) that men would stand before God's judgement seat, and claim they had cast out demons in His name. And God will reply, "I don't even know you." and those men will be cast into Hell.
--I find that to be one of the most chilling passages in the Word.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit does not make us immune from foolishness. A preacher can be wrong, and be saved. Likely, we will ALL be gently corrected on how wrongly we misinterpreted scripture when we get to heaven.

BUT.
When one looks at the sheer volume of false teaching, and false prophecy comming out of some of the WOF preachers, one does need to ask the question: Can a man be born again and still speak such heresy without the restraining of the Holy Spirit?

God warns us in prophecy that false prophets and false teachers will be legion in the last days. Wolves in sheeps clothing will be out to decieve, divide and make ineffective the saints of God.

One thing is for sure, when you encounter false teaching and false prophecy, RUN AWAY! Whether he is a foolish man of God, or a servant of satan: if what he says is false, you will not profit by lingering.

An ounce of truth in a lake of lies, is poluted. Run away from heresy, beloved. A false teacher/prophet poisons everything he touches.

[The Sower]

I won't tackle the issue of questioning a mans salvation.

I will only say anyone can wave a Bible and be called a preacher-even the lost!
Just because someone stands on the pulpit and preaches the Word doesn't mean they are saved.

Jesus said (my paraphrase) that men would stand before God's judgement seat, and claim they had cast out demons in His name. And God will reply, "I don't even know you." and those men will be cast into Hell.
--I find that to be one of the most chilling passages in the Word.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit does not make us immune from foolishness. A preacher can be wrong, and be saved. Likely, we will ALL be gently corrected on how wrongly we misinterpreted scripture when we get to heaven.

BUT.
When one looks at the sheer volume of false teaching, and false prophecy comming out of some of the WOF preachers, one does need to ask the question: Can a man be born again and still speak such heresy without the restraining of the Holy Spirit?

God warns us in prophecy that false prophets and false teachers will be legion in the last days. Wolves in sheeps clothing will be out to decieve, divide and make ineffective the saints of God.

One thing is for sure, when you encounter false teaching and false prophecy, RUN AWAY! Whether he is a foolish man of God, or a servant of satan: if what he says is false, you will not profit by lingering.

An ounce of truth in a lake of lies, is poluted. Run away from heresy, beloved. A false teacher/prophet poisons everything he touches.



:thumb :nod

[blitzkreig]

Question? Should "Christians" be involved in anyway with the rebuilding of the temple?Of course not.

Any rebuilding of a Temple would be a final declaration of defiance against God who gave His Son to us.

It is God who by His will permitted the destrution of the Temple just as Jesus had prophesied.

God will build a Temple not made by human hands ... but in the mean time ... WE are the Temple.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

[ready_to_go]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life. Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time. I have listen to these men for years and God has blessed me immensly. I am able to give more in to ministries and other outreaches today than ever before. If people would listen to what these men preach, and not go in with preconceived ideas about them, maybe they would grow to understand how God truly wants us to experience life in this world.
I think people see how God has blessed these men with their finances and think they are somehow stealing from God. People do not understand God wants that for everyone. These men and their ministries give millions upon millions in to the work of God. They reach millions upon millions of people with the Word. Through their ministries, 100's of millions will be going to heaven that might not otherwise. I for one would not judge people or ministries responsible for that kind of outreach. Satan has attacked these people for years because he knows what the Word can produce if used properly.
I know what has taken place in my life, and I can thank these ministries for showing the truth of what is in the bible. Most people that talk negative about these people have not sat through one of their messages, but base their opinions on what other people say and what other people write.

[cnav]

Midnight Cry

Just curious -- what are people's thoughts about what will happen in heaven (if anything) to these Christians who are saved enough to get into heaven yet have lived a life of false teaching down here? Isn't there something in the Bible about teachers being responsible for what they say? I dunno -- I'm asking . . .

James 3
1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
These verses came to mind too..not sayng they apply to Benny

Matthew 7

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

[MrMannn]

Sorry, but prosperity theology is false teaching and heresy.

[sandy111]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life. Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time. I have listen to these men for years and God has blessed me immensly. I am able to give more in to ministries and other outreaches today than ever before. If people would listen to what these men preach, and not go in with preconceived ideas about them, maybe they would grow to understand how God truly wants us to experience life in this world.
I think people see how God has blessed these men with their finances and think they are somehow stealing from God. People do not understand God wants that for everyone. These men and their ministries give millions upon millions in to the work of God. They reach millions upon millions of people with the Word. Through their ministries, 100's of millions will be going to heaven that might not otherwise. I for one would not judge people or ministries responsible for that kind of outreach. Satan has attacked these people for years because he knows what the Word can produce if used properly.
I know what has taken place in my life, and I can thank these ministries for showing the truth of what is in the bible. Most people that talk negative about these people have not sat through one of their messages, but base their opinions on what other people say and what other people write.

boy oh boy have you ever been decieved!
they do not reach millions with Gods word but rather with,
give me money so you can be blessed. which is a lie.

I am responsible where I give my money.

I've heard plenty of their messages and its all hesesy.

start reading your bible. 1 chapter a day. you will then see how they have done the con game.

they are theives. using Gods name to do it.

they do not teach the gospel of the bible but rather take a portion of scripture and twist it.

we do not give men money to get rich.

[blitzkreig]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life. Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time. :tsk

[carmen]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life.Jesus, Paul, and the apostles didn't find this to be quite so true as Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston. I wonder whose witness I ought to more closely follow, and whose I ought to dismiss?

[TrojansFan]

Jesus, Paul, and the apostles didn't find this to be quite so true as Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston. I wonder whose witness I ought to more closely follow, and whose I ought to dismiss?

St. Greed, St. Self Esteem, St. Self Worth, St. Overflow, St. Riches, etc. :doh

[savedandhappy1]

Returning to the original post. I saw a show where some Rabbi's were telling how they knew exactly where the Ark is buried, and are just waiting till the right time to dig it up.

It is somewhere near where the crucifix took place. Some say that the blood of Jesus ran down to where it was.

Anyhow, from what I understand some of those high up in the Jewish faith say they know where the Ark is.

Jumping off the OP for a minute. What is wrong with praying with the Jews? They are God's chosen people. I could stand and pray for Jesus return and for their eyes to be opened, while they are praying for the coming of the Messiah. Not sure why there would be something wrong with praying with them. Could you please explain?

[imfree]

Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time.

:faint

I think people see how God has blessed these men with their finances and think they are somehow stealing from God.

No...I don't think they steal from God. God owns it all. I do however, think they steal from little old ladies living on a tiny pension, the gullible, and the biblically illiterate. :tsk

[walksbyf8h]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life.

Matthew 6:19-20
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal."

Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time. I have listen to these men for years and God has blessed me immensly. I am able to give more in to ministries and other outreaches today than ever before. If people would listen to what these men preach, and not go in with preconceived ideas about them, maybe they would grow to understand how God truly wants us to experience life in this world.

John 16:33
"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

I think people see how God has blessed these men with their finances and think they are somehow stealing from God. People do not understand God wants that for everyone. These men and their ministries give millions upon millions in to the work of God.

Matthew 6:19-20
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal."

They reach millions upon millions of people with the Word. Through their ministries, 100's of millions will be going to heaven that might not otherwise.

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

I for one would not judge people or ministries responsible for that kind of outreach. Satan has attacked these people for years because he knows what the Word can produce if used properly.
I know what has taken place in my life, and I can thank these ministries for showing the truth of what is in the bible.

Matthew 7:15-20
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. "

Most people that talk negative about these people have not sat through one of their messages, but base their opinions on what other people say and what other people write.

Allow them to speak for themselves - Heresy (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php)

IMO, the most frightening quote from Jesus comes to us from the book of Matthew, also. I implore you to read this carefully, and to take it to heart. Do not think that you're too smart to be deceived. Do not push off His Word:

Matthew 7:20-23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

Finally, John MacArthur (http://www.gty.org/index.php) is of the same caliber teacher as Adrian Rodgers, Charles Stanley, and Chuck Smith. I am providing the link to you because he is teaching a series called "How to Study the Bible". You can download the messages for FREE. You can subscribe to the podcast.

I encourage you, in the strongest sense possible, to do this study. Turn off your TV for the two weeks. Your soul is worth that, isn't it? Get a notebook, a pen, and your bible and just do the study. Then, read your bible daily. at least 1 chapter a day and preferably 2.

Remember this:
The bible is it's own commentary.

You must read the Old Testament to fully comprehend the New.

The text cannot mean to you, here in 2005, something different than it meant to the original audience (cultural differences aside).

:tape now.

[savedandhappy1]

Matt. 24:22-24
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I have a question. Does this scripture only deal with the tribulation? That is the way I read it. Also, it says if it were possible, to me that means it isn't. Is it just during the tribulation that the elect can't be deceived?

All opinioins welcome, I am just wanting some clarification.

Thanks.

[Angelglory]

Returning to the original post. I saw a show where some Rabbi's were telling how they knew exactly where the Ark is buried, and are just waiting till the right time to dig it up.

It is somewhere near where the crucifix took place. Some say that the blood of Jesus ran down to where it was.

Anyhow, from what I understand some of those high up in the Jewish faith say they know where the Ark is.

Jumping off the OP for a minute. What is wrong with praying with the Jews? They are God's chosen people. I could stand and pray for Jesus return and for their eyes to be opened, while they are praying for the coming of the Messiah. Not sure why there would be something wrong with praying with them. Could you please explain?

I agree! What is wrong with praying with a jew? :confused They are God's chosen people. :nod I think :tin that a Christian praying with a jew is an awesome thing!

[eiw]

More on benny Hinn,

Well documented false prophecies but no doubt some people will ignore all the evidence and continue to adore him. That's just the way it is.


http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htm

[ready_to_go]

I do not know much about Benny Hinn, but I do know about the people I mentioned above. I have followed their ministries for years. About 4 months ago I started digging in like I haven't in the past. The TV(secular programming), radio, and news papers have gone to the wayside. I have spent a great deal of time listening to each of these men. I have read the New Testament through. The message they teach is the true Word of God, and not watered down like so many preachers do. They stress that God has to be first place in your heart, and second you love your neighbor as yourself . Everything you do has to be done to meet those 2 commandments. I believe for money, not for myself and my own desires, but so I can meet other peoples needs in the ministry, local church, and individuals. I have a large desire to help others and get the message of the gospel out. This is the message of these men. If you put other people ahead of your wants and needs God will give you all your desires. He said He would pour blessings out on you. I could probably list over 100 scriptures easily that show how God wants to prosper us in every part of our life (not just finances). I can garrentee you if your out there thirsting after the Word, and giving in to the things He would lead you to, God is going to bless you. I am proof of that. There are Laws to follow, and things you have to believe and understand, or you may not receive as God intends. This comes from studying and spending time in the Word. The Word of God is alive in my heart, and I have the right desires as pertaining to love and giving. It is true money will ruin a fool, but I am no fool. A fool squanders money on his own flesh. God has blessed these men, because they have done what He has asked, and He will continue to increase them. When people get to heaven they are going to find out how much they missed here, and how much lower they lived than God ever intend them to. You as parents want great blessings for your kids and want to give them so much and leave them a great inheritence. That is a picture of God. Why do you think He would want any less for HIs kids? It is his pleasure to give us all things, and He went as far is giving his Son.

[Waiting4theKing]

I believe that God wants to prosper his children. Not only in finances, but in every area of our life. Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Sevelle,and Bill Winston are some of the greatest teachers of our time. I have listen to these men for years and God has blessed me immensly. I am able to give more in to ministries and other outreaches today than ever before. If people would listen to what these men preach, and not go in with preconceived ideas about them, maybe they would grow to understand how God truly wants us to experience life in this world.
I think people see how God has blessed these men with their finances and think they are somehow stealing from God. People do not understand God wants that for everyone. These men and their ministries give millions upon millions in to the work of God. They reach millions upon millions of people with the Word. Through their ministries, 100's of millions will be going to heaven that might not otherwise. I for one would not judge people or ministries responsible for that kind of outreach. Satan has attacked these people for years because he knows what the Word can produce if used properly.
I know what has taken place in my life, and I can thank these ministries for showing the truth of what is in the bible. Most people that talk negative about these people have not sat through one of their messages, but base their opinions on what other people say and what other people write.

Praying for you...

Benny Hinn and his ilk don't want to lead you to God, they want the contents of your wallet. The fact that you have indeed been blessed is the work of God, truly, and faith theology has nothing to do with it.
:twitch

Scripture tells us that the way to know a true Prophet of God is that his prophecy will come true - 100% of the time. None, I repeat - NONE of Benny Hinn's "prohecies" have ever come to pass. Homosexuals were going to be burned by fire somewhere around '94-95 - no later than that, according to BH. Didn't happen. Jesus was going to physically appear at the Nairobi conference - again, didn't happen. One false prophecy was enough to get you stoned in the last century B.C. Considering his record BH should be mouldering under a pile of stones about now. Just my opinion... :):

[cnav]

Re: praying with Jews.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Cristians praying with Jews.

But, as we know Scripture clearly states that there is only one mediator between God and man...Jesus Christ. Orthodox Jews are offended by the name of Jesus....they reject him as Messiah. When Jews pray for the coming of Messiah they are praying for the coming of a man who will bring peace. When Christians pray for the coming of Messiah they are praying for the Second coming of Jesus Christ. For that reason I can see no way that they are praying in the same accord. I can't see "Orthodox Jews" accepting prayer in Jesus name...Messianic Jews yes.

Just my opinion.

[cnav]

Matt. 24:22-24
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I have a question. Does this scripture only deal with the tribulation? That is the way I read it. Also, it says if it were possible, to me that means it isn't. Is it just during the tribulation that the elect can't be deceived?

All opinioins welcome, I am just wanting some clarification.

Thanks.

Just my opinion...I once thought on these verses seeing so much deception round about me.

I thought then who are the elect?

The only conclusion I came to is that John 1 tells us that the Word became flesh (Jesus).......and the elect are those who follow after Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.........so for those who are following after the WORD......they can't be deceived as it won't be possible.......the WORD is clear...but for those following after man or man's interpretation of the WORD......they open the door for possible deception....... all the more reason to know what the WORD of GOD says.......the Holy Spirit will reveal the TRUTH of the written WORD.

Jesus Himself..in times of temptation rebuked Satan with the words ..."It is written"....

Many things DO NOT line up with the WORD yet people believe it any way...we are warned there will be seducing spirits in the end days, along with false prophets and teachrs we must beware.

COLOSSIANS 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

[ohappyday]

1Cor 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body but the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one members suffer all the members suffer with it are one member be honored all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular). Now I won't post the entire chapter in here but Paul plainly tells us we are ALL (if we confess Christ) a part of his body and we are to treat each member with the same respect are the whole body suffers. The body of Christ has suffered greatly because of this sin. This is the reason why we don't see people healed today in our churches and many other needs meet. I don't care what excuses one gives for not discerning the body of Christ. None of us is perfect, none of us know it all. Its time to stop this campaign against every preacher who teaches something we don't understand are agree with. Benny Hinn may be serving a plate of food but you don't have to eat it. Eat what you want and leave the rest to someone else to eat who has not your knowledge are just possibly they have grown more than you and can eat the meat. Whatever the reason learn to discern, pray for it and rather we like it are not we are to love and pray for one another. That includes Hinn and all the others who have not meet everyone approval including those on the board who like these preachers. They are attacked also. Its a shame we can't have a discussion about something one of them has said without this all out assault against them as Christian's. Can't we just discuss what they say without belittling them personally. For in doing so we would be doing a better job of pointing out their error if any.

[Rainbo2]

Sorry, but prosperity theology is false teaching and heresy.

:thumb :nod The NT teaches this in numerous places.

[CountryBumpkin]

God has blessed these men, because they have done what He has asked, and He will continue to increase them.

How do you know that God has blessed them, when the money they get is from gullible and immature Christians ( and non-Christians). I was one of them once until God opened my eyes and showed me the truth about them.
It is only when we are hungry for the truth and seek God on it, He will remove the scales from our eyes.
Study God's Word; and not from Copeland's or Creflo's perspective; and you will soon see. :thumb

[OmahaVic]

bennyhinn.org is a nice website. I do not know much about him.

[carmen]

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We are only responsible for this board and what happens on it.

[RhondaH]

I haven't read this entire thread yet, but I wanted to share an experience with you guys that happened to my step dad, Greg, about 3 years ago.

Benny Hinn was having a function, for lack of a better word, at the Pyramid in Memphis, TN. Greg and his daughter were working the concession stand as a type of fund raiser for her cheerleading squad. They ran out out of cups, and Greg went to look for more. He got lost and came across some people talking in a hallway. It was Benny Hinn and some of his handlers. There were also 10 or so completely healthy people of all ages and colors standing around him. They were receiving their ailments! One was handed dark glasses, because he would be "healed" of his blindness. An old woman was given a walker so she could all of the sudden throw it down and go running up the aisle when he healed her. Another was given crutches, and so it went on. Greg was absolutely disgusted. He revealed himself to the people and told Hinn what a disgrace he was. He then turned and went back to the concession stand. The only people he told about this at the time were his parents, who had sent thousands to Hinn's ministry believing him to be a great man of God.

Greg is a good man. He's one of the most honest people I've ever met, and God blessed my mom the day Greg walked back into her life after my dad ran off and left her for another woman. I love Greg dearly, and I take his words as truth. I'm going to go back and read this entire thread now, but I had to post this, just in case there are some that would defend this man that deceives so many. I know many that have been saved while at his functions, but it was because of what God can do, and not because there was a man of God preaching to them. Our God is an opportunist-- He can and will use whatever He wishes to reveal Himself to us. Even a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[ready2go]

I haven't read this entire thread yet, but I wanted to share an experience with you guys that happened to my step dad, Greg, about 3 years ago.

Benny Hinn was having a function, for lack of a better word, at the Pyramid in Memphis, TN. Greg and his daughter were working the concession stand as a type of fund raiser for her cheerleading squad. They ran out out of cups, and Greg went to look for more. He got lost and came across some people talking in a hallway. It was Benny Hinn and some of his handlers. There were also 10 or so completely healthy people of all ages and colors standing around him. They were receiving their ailments! One was handed dark glasses, because he would be "healed" of his blindness. An old woman was given a walker so she could all of the sudden throw it down and go running up the aisle when he healed her. Another was given crutches, and so it went on. Greg was absolutely disgusted. He revealed himself to the people and told Hinn what a disgrace he was. He then turned and went back to the concession stand. The only people he told about this at the time were his parents, who had sent thousands to Hinn's ministry believing him to be a great man of God.

Greg is a good man. He's one of the most honest people I've ever met, and God blessed my mom the day Greg walked back into her life after my dad ran off and left her for another woman. I love Greg dearly, and I take his words as truth. I'm going to go back and read this entire thread now, but I had to post this, just in case there are some that would defend this man that deceives so many. I know many that have been saved while at his functions, but it was because of what God can do, and not because there was a man of God preaching to them. Our God is an opportunist-- He can and will use whatever He wishes to reveal Himself to us. Even a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Benny sounds like a spiritual snake oil salesman.

[LDinthewoods]

1Cor 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body but the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one members suffer all the members suffer with it are one member be honored all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular). Now I won't post the entire chapter in here but Paul plainly tells us we are ALL (if we confess Christ) a part of his body and we are to treat each member with the same respect are the whole body suffers. The body of Christ has suffered greatly because of this sin. This is the reason why we don't see people healed today in our churches and many other needs meet. I don't care what excuses one gives for not discerning the body of Christ. None of us is perfect, none of us know it all. Its time to stop this campaign against every preacher who teaches something we don't understand are agree with. Benny Hinn may be serving a plate of food but you don't have to eat it. Eat what you want and leave the rest to someone else to eat who has not your knowledge are just possibly they have grown more than you and can eat the meat. Whatever the reason learn to discern, pray for it and rather we like it are not we are to love and pray for one another. That includes Hinn and all the others who have not meet everyone approval including those on the board who like these preachers. They are attacked also. Its a shame we can't have a discussion about something one of them has said without this all out assault against them as Christian's. Can't we just discuss what they say without belittling them personally. For in doing so we would be doing a better job of pointing out their error if any. Amen.

How do you know that God has blessed them, when the money they get is from gullible and immature Christians ( and non-Christians). Even gullible & immature Christians have the Holy Spirit in them. It would be very hard to distinguish whether or not someone else's giving is in the will of GOD, especially if they are truly giving from the heart. If they are giving an offering in exchange for something else...that is not Biblical & the Holy Spirit will convict them of it in due course.

[Angelglory]

I do not know much about Benny Hinn, but I do know about the people I mentioned above. I have followed their ministries for years. About 4 months ago I started digging in like I haven't in the past. The TV(secular programming), radio, and news papers have gone to the wayside. I have spent a great deal of time listening to each of these men. I have read the New Testament through. The message they teach is the true Word of God, and not watered down like so many preachers do. They stress that God has to be first place in your heart, and second you love your neighbor as yourself . Everything you do has to be done to meet those 2 commandments. I believe for money, not for myself and my own desires, but so I can meet other peoples needs in the ministry, local church, and individuals. I have a large desire to help others and get the message of the gospel out. This is the message of these men. If you put other people ahead of your wants and needs God will give you all your desires. He said He would pour blessings out on you. I could probably list over 100 scriptures easily that show how God wants to prosper us in every part of our life (not just finances). I can garrentee you if your out there thirsting after the Word, and giving in to the things He would lead you to, God is going to bless you. I am proof of that. There are Laws to follow, and things you have to believe and understand, or you may not receive as God intends. This comes from studying and spending time in the Word. The Word of God is alive in my heart, and I have the right desires as pertaining to love and giving. It is true money will ruin a fool, but I am no fool. A fool squanders money on his own flesh. God has blessed these men, because they have done what He has asked, and He will continue to increase them. When people get to heaven they are going to find out how much they missed here, and how much lower they lived than God ever intend them to. You as parents want great blessings for your kids and want to give them so much and leave them a great inheritence. That is a picture of God. Why do you think He would want any less for HIs kids? It is his pleasure to give us all things, and He went as far is giving his Son.

It makes me sad that people are judging Benny Hinn. :cry All I can tell you is my own, one-on-one experience with Benny Hinn and his wife, was completely awesome. When I went to see him, everything he taught was scriptural, and directly from the bible. I have not found him to be a false prophet, based on my own experience and some other people I know, also, have had excellent results. I would tell you what happened, but I want to keep it personal, but it was awesome! :nod I was in a special group for healing, and we sat near the front, and I saw no cheating going on and nothing was staged. He always makes it clear, ALWAYS, that it is not him, that the power and healing comes from God. They did take an offering, but nothing unusual. Just a bigger version of taking an offering in a church. Like I said, all I can tell you about is my own personal experience. What you see on TV is really not fair, because there is so much more to it than that.

[ready_to_go]

Angleglory

Don't let people steal your joy away. I personally am not familar with Benny Hinn, but I would never judge him. I am familar wih many other preachers in the WOF. Most are very good. Most people have preconceived ideas about WOF and never listen to the Ken Copelands, Jesse Dupantis's, and Creflo Dollars because they cannot understand a God that wants to give them all of their desires. You aways have to keep things in the right place and aways have God and other people up front. Do not let any "thing" become your god. This is the message of these men. Mr. Hinn probably falls in the same catagory. I will tell you this, I will error on the side of believing in someone before I judge him.

[Angelglory]

Thanks for the sweet post, Ready! :wave I know that we are to beware of false prophets, but that has not been my experience. If I find out that I'm wrong, then I will be the first to say, "Hey, Guys, I made a mistake." Also, I have a relative and her friends that go to Benny Crusades more times than I can count, and she always tells me how awesome it was, etc. I am just praying to not be deceived. :thumb Oh, and by the way, Benny does have very nice suits. :lol

[dded0618]

Angleglory

Don't let people steal your joy away. I personally am not familar with Benny Hinn, but I would never judge him. I am familar wih many other preachers in the WOF. Most are very good. Most people have preconceived ideas about WOF and never listen to the Ken Copelands, Jesse Dupantis's, and Creflo Dollars because they cannot understand a God that wants to give them all of their desires. You aways have to keep things in the right place and aways have God and other people up front. Do not let any "thing" become your god. This is the message of these men. Mr. Hinn probably falls in the same catagory. I will tell you this, I will error on the side of believing in someone before I judge him.

I don't think it's as much judging Hinn or any of the WOF teachers as much as it is wanting others to beware of their false teaching. I can tell you from reading the msg board here for years that most people here have done their research on the WOF movement. You need to make yourself familiar with their false teachings before you give them your endorsement. These teachers have in the past and still lead many of the lost astray with their name and claim it religion. To teach that God is subject to our every whim and desire is a teaching right from hell. The reason these teachers want you to believe that you can sow a 'seed' and gain special favors from God, is that they usually are the recipients of the 'seed.'
God tells us to be discerning in our dealings with those who claim to know Him and not to be ignorant of their ways. I don't think it makes you judgemental to try and steer someone away from a false teacher.
My Grandfather had MS and back in the 50's he talked my Grandmother into
taking him to Charlotte (they lived in Western NC, which back then was a long trip) to see Oral Roberts at a big tent revival, where Roberts had promised miracles and healing to all who would come. Well they made the trip and when they got down there, they were put into a special tent away from the actual revival and never even got to go in. I guess his disability was too obvious since he wasn't able to get out of his wheelchair. Anyway, he never even got to see Roberts. Needless to say, he quit listening to Oral Roberts ever again.
When I hear of Mr Hinn going to St. Judes hospital, quietly and on his own, and being able to empty that hospital of all the sick children without passing the hat for an offering, then I'll say that I think he is a true man of God with a true gift of healing. Until then, smoke and mirrors. I choose to believe that if God does choose to heal someone, it can be done without Hinn or any of the other WOFers.

[ready_to_go]

I don't think it's as much judging Hinn or any of the WOF teachers as much as it is wanting others to beware of their false teaching. I can tell you from reading the msg board here for years that most people here have done their research on the WOF movement. You need to make yourself familiar with their false teachings before you give them your endorsement. These teachers have in the past and still lead many of the lost astray with their name and claim it religion. To teach that God is subject to our every whim and desire is a teaching right from hell. The reason these teachers want you to believe that you can sow a 'seed' and gain special favors from God, is that they usually are the recipients of the 'seed.'
God tells us to be discerning in our dealings with those who claim to know Him and not to be ignorant of their ways. I don't think it makes you judgemental to try and steer someone away from a false teacher.
My Grandfather had MS and back in the 50's he talked my Grandmother into
taking him to Charlotte (they lived in Western NC, which back then was a long trip) to see Oral Roberts at a big tent revival, where Roberts had promised miracles and healing to all who would come. Well they made the trip and when they got down there, they were put into a special tent away from the actual revival and never even got to go in. I guess his disability was too obvious since he wasn't able to get out of his wheelchair. Anyway, he never even got to see Roberts. Needless to say, he quit listening to Oral Roberts ever again.
When I hear of Mr Hinn going to St. Judes hospital, quietly and on his own, and being able to empty that hospital of all the sick children without passing the hat for an offering, then I'll say that I think he is a true man of God with a true gift of healing. Until then, smoke and mirrors. I choose to believe that if God does choose to heal someone, it can be done without Hinn or any of the other WOFers.


It is true that God does not need the WOF preachers to heal anyone, but they are the only one's out there teaching the principles on how to receive it. Most preachers shy away from prosperity, healing, and other scriptural bombshells because they are afraid to risk the persecution that everyone puts on the WOF people. I have followed and listened to these men preach for 20 years and everything is biblical and can be backed up by several scriptures. I am not sure what happened in your case with Oral Roberts, but with the 1000's that were attending his meetings I am sure mistakes were made. I have heard this man's ministry is responsible for leading over 50,000,000 people to the Lord. I would like to see how other people would hold up to the scrutiny that are placed on these men. They preach several times a week, and several 1000 people show up to each of their meetings. Then someone comes along quoting something they said, taking it totally out of context, puts it up on the board, and calls at basphamy. I would like to take that persons conversation down over a 24hr period and put it to the test. Most people would be embarrased by what is coming out of their mouth. But these men put everything on tape to help teach and guide us, and some person uses it to try and destroy them. Don't you think that God may be drawing people to these ministries and that is why they are growing so large. He wants people to hear His Word, and not the watered down version most preach. As I have stated in other posts, I could quote dozens of verses to back up the WOF position. But it wouldn't change those people's opinions that already have preconceived ideas.

[sandy111]

theres only 1 princilple in the bible.....

we go to the elders of the church and have them pray over us.

then....its up to God.

soooooo why do they have to make it all big and showy?
they are full of it.

[sandy111]

It is true that God does not need the WOF preachers to heal anyone, but they are the only one's out there teaching the principles on how to receive it. Most preachers shy away from prosperity, healing, and other scriptural bombshells because they are afraid to risk the persecution that everyone puts on the WOF people. I have followed and listened to these men preach for 20 years and everything is biblical and can be backed up by several scriptures. I am not sure what happened in your case with Oral Roberts, but with the 1000's that were attending his meetings I am sure mistakes were made. I have heard this man's ministry is responsible for leading over 50,000,000 people to the Lord. I would like to see how other people would hold up to the scrutiny that are placed on these men. They preach several times a week, and several 1000 people show up to each of their meetings. Then someone comes along quoting something they said, taking it totally out of context, puts it up on the board, and calls at basphamy. I would like to take that persons conversation down over a 24hr period and put it to the test. Most people would be embarrased by what is coming out of their mouth. But these men put everything on tape to help teach and guide us, and some person uses it to try and destroy them. Don't you think that God may be drawing people to these ministries and that is why they are growing so large. He wants people to hear His Word, and not the watered down version most preach. As I have stated in other posts, I could quote dozens of verses to back up the WOF position. But it wouldn't change those people's opinions that already have preconceived ideas.



many here have stated over and over their storys of what has happened to them. I guess they were a mistake too....

I dont believe God is drawing people to these ministries.
anytime one is too well loved there is a problem.

hinn has been known to curse people its all on tape,
he growls says his own kids are afraid of this "annointing"
if I'm not mistaken it was him who said he wanted a holy ghost machine gun.

come on, thats not christlike
I could'nt ever imagine that garbage coming out of the disciples or paul
and they were under loads more stress than old hinn.

he even one time was talking about passing thru the fire,
and did'nt even get that right.

[ready_to_go]

many here have stated over and over their storys of what has happened to them. I guess they were a mistake too....

I dont believe God is drawing people to these ministries.
anytime one is too well loved there is a problem.

hinn has been known to curse people its all on tape,
he growls says his own kids are afraid of this "annointing"
if I'm not mistaken it was him who said he wanted a holy ghost machine gun.

come on, thats not christlike
I could'nt ever imagine that garbage coming out of the disciples or paul
and they were under loads more stress than old hinn.

he even one time was talking about passing thru the fire,
and did'nt even get that right.


I really do not know much about Benny Hinn. I only know the message that is preached in the WOF camp hits home with me. God is first place in my heart, and I work to love and be a blessing to people I come in contact with.

[dded0618]

Before you endorse Hinns teachings too heartily, I would suggest you go to this website http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tbn.htm
where you can hear some of Hinn's heresies yourself. It is actual recordings of his own prophesies which failed to come to pass. And I know you know what the Bible says about a prophet who makes even 1 wrong prophecy.
I'm not against him because he might stumble and sin. I, like Paul am the worst of all sinners. I'm not throwing a stone because he made a mistake. I just have a problem with ANY leader who takes God's word and twists it to his benefit and gain $$$. If you don't have a problem with any of these prophesies then I'm sure there's nothing I can say that would make a difference. Just remember, these are from his own mouth and if you really want to know the truth, you can hear it with your own ears.

[dded0618]

And here's another from that same website:

Now, listen to this clip: 02apr2000-clip4 (Real Audio - © 2000 by TBN).

April 2nd, 2000 - TBN Praise-a-thon


"And Paul, while you were speaking, the Lord spoke to me, and I have to obey Him. He said, tell Paul - Thank you Lord for this. You know I have been praying about a, something I have asked the Lord for when it comes to the anointing. And the Lord said, you tell Paul, that in the - in the next few months, and I'll - I'll do this in - no more than six months, I will sow $150,000 dollars, into TBN - no I have to - I have to obey the Lord, because the Lord wants to bring something to me in our ministry. You see the ground here is very anointed right now. So Lord, I am doing it now. I am sowing Master, and I am expecting this miracle too Lord. But Lord I am proving myself worthy again of your trust. Lord we know its not the money. We know its our hearts and its our obedience to you when you speak to us. To you be praise Jesus [Benny briefly speaks in tongues] Now some of you, at home, need to do the same."

- Benny Hinn


Benny Hinn, desiring a gift from the Holy Spirit (the anointing), represents God as commanding him to give a large sum of money to TBN in order to receive his requested spiritual gift. This suggests that God sells spiritual gifts for a price. Scripture deals explicitly with this situation, and it has been called Simony ever since it was first attempted by Simon the sorcerer:

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Acts 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Acts 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Acts 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity

[Becky]

It is true that God does not need the WOF preachers to heal anyone, but they are the only one's out there teaching the principles on how to receive it.Actually, they are not. They do not heal anyone. If anyone is "healed" it is psychological. There has never been proof such as an arm growing back. It's always been "internal" healing. And there never has been x-rays to back it up. Most people lose the "healing" and think they are not faithful enough and end up crushed. It is sad. :sigh

Most preachers shy away from prosperity, healing, and other scriptural bombshells because they are afraid to risk the persecution that everyone puts on the WOF people.I wouldn't give the WoF "healers" that much credid. Most churches teach what is scriptural: Let God know what you need and do God's Will. It's a no brainer.

snip

As I have stated in other posts, I could quote dozens of verses to back up the WOF position. But it wouldn't change those people's opinions that already have preconceived ideas.Acutally, they are false teachers. And no, opionions come a dime a dozen. Facts speak all. Look at the facts on Benny Hinn and other WoF teachers. Read what they actually say. If you believe it then you are not doing God's Will or following what scripture says:

Benny Hinn
Trademark: Hinn claims to be specially anointed and to have the gifts of healing and financial blessing at his command. Oh yeah, he also claims to be a god.

Jesus was infected/injected with satan's sin nature in order for redemption to work

"Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him...He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God."
Benny Hinn (TBN December 15 1990)
"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!"
Benny Hinn (TBN, December 1, 1990)
These men think they're Gods!

"When Jesus was on earth, the Bible says that first He disrobed Himself of the divine form. He, the limitless God, became a man that we men may become as He is."
Benny Hinn ("Our Position In Christ" cassette tape #A031190, 1990)
"Let's say, I am a God man." This spirit man within me is a God-Man. I'm a God-Man."
Benny Hinn (Praise the Lord, TBN, December 6, 1990)
"When you were born again the Word was made flesh in you. You are everything He was and everything He is and ever He shall be. Don't say,' I have.' Say, ' I am, I am, I am, I am, I am."

Benny Hinn ("Our Position in Christ #2 -- The Word Made Flesh" 1991, audiotape #A031190-2, side 2)

The Anointing

"Under this anointing, the words I speak cannot fall to the ground. Under this anointing, everything I say, happens."

Listen for yourself:
http://www.bereanfaith.com/images/icons/wav.jpg Benny's "anointing" (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/bennyanointing.wav)

(To keep a copy for yourself, simply right mouse click on the link and select "save target as")
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN September 10, 1999)

TBN to raise the dead through the TV

This exchange between Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn is of a Hinn 'prophesy' that dead people will be brought back to live through their television sets by TBN.

This is rather long, so I am adding it as a new link:

Benny's Prophesy about TBN Raising the Dead (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/tbnraisedead.htm)
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, October 19, 1999)

The 100 fold theory

"The wicked are piling up the funds and I love the way John [Avazini] teaches on this. He's the best there is on how to get the wealth of the wicked. Man, I like it!"
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, Nov. 6 1990 )
"Say after me, all of you, everybody say it, 'The wealth of the wicked is mine.' [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats] One more time. [The audience repeats it again]"
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, April 1990 )

The kingdom of God is on earth

"Years ago they used to preach, 'O we are going to walk on streets of gold.' I would say, 'I don't need the gold up there. I've got to have it down here."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 2nd April 1991 )
The Lord just said to me these words - I'm hearing myself say them for the first time - TBN will not be only a Christian network. It will be an extension of heaven to the earth. And extension - it will be like a tube from heaven that the earth can look and say "I'm looking at heaven, I'm partaking of heaven. I'm getting connected to heaven through this TV tube." If I can say it, it will be heaven's signal to the earth. It will be as though heaven is transmitting and earth is receiving through that set. So if you want to go to heaven, you want to see heaven, you want to taste heaven, turn on that channel, 'cause you will.
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, October 19, 1999)
The importance of earthly riches

"Poverty comes from Hell. Prosperity comes from Heaven. Christians do not have Christ in their hearts. Sow a big seed, when you confess it, you are activating the supernatural forces of God."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-thon (TBN), November 6, 1990)

Above Reproach - testing their spirits

"Yes, Lord, I'll do it. I place a curse on every man and every woman that will stretch his hand against this anointing. I curse that man who dares to speak a word against this ministry. But any man and any woman that raises his or her hand in blessing towards this ministry, I bless that man. I bless that home! I bless that family. Under this anointing, the words I speak cannot fall to the ground. Under this anointing, everything I say, happens."
Benny Hinn (TBN September 10, 1999)
"I want to tell you why I believe people get sick...In 2 Chronicles 16, verse 10 - and I like to read this - verse 10 and 11 and 12, the bible says sickness comes when individuals attack preachers."
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN, June 8, 1998)
"If you have attacked me, your children will pay for it."

Listen for yourself:
http://www.bereanfaith.com/images/icons/wav.jpg Benny's Humble Spirit (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/bennythreat.wav)

(To keep a copy for yourself, simply right mouse click on the link and select "save target as")
Benny Hinn (TBN "Heresy Hunters" October 23 1992)

Death Threats (No, I'm not kidding)

"I want to use Holy Ghost machine gun to kill Heresy Hunters."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-thon TBN, November 8, 1990 )

The 9-godhead doctrine

"Man, I feel revelation knowledge already coming on me here. Life your hands. Something new is going to happen here today. I felt it just as I walked down here. Holy Spirit, take over in the name of Jesus...God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person; and he is a triune being by himself separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. Say, what did you say? Here it, hear it, hear it. See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person. But each one of them is a triune being by Himself. If I can shock you - and maybe I should - there's nine of them. Huh, what did you say? Let me explain: God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with his own personal spirit, with his own personal soul, and his own personal spirit body. You say, Huh, I never heard that. Well, you think you're in this church to hear things you've heard for the last 50 years? You can't argue with the Word, can you? It's all in the Word".
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN October 3, 1990)
God has 9 parts (tritheism).
A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit.

Benny Hinn (Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90 )
Paul Crouch: Let's talk a little bit about theology now. These are issues that I consider to be up for debate, discussion, within the broad spectrum of the body of Christ. You don't have total agreement on, for example, the Trinity. There is a group, the Jesus Only group, or the Oneness group that believes that there's only one Person - anyway, we won't get into that deeply into the doctrinal aspect, but you have been attacked on some statements that you have made concerning the Trinity and the members of the Godhead. How many are there in the Godhead?

Benny Hinn: Three.

Crouch: Three.

Hinn: Simply three.

Crouch: Not nine.

Hinn: Goodness.

Crouch: Where did that silly charge come from?

Hinn: [Unintelligible] It almost became comical. Paul, here's what I believe. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Three separate Individuals, one in essence, one in work, and each one of them possesses His own spirit body. That's what I believe. If you don't like it.

Benny Hinn (Benny Hinn, Praise The Lord, October 23, 1992)


There's more but you get the picture. ;):

[70thWeek]

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:pound :pound :pound

[Becky]

It is true that God does not need the WOF preachers to heal anyone, but they are the only one's out there teaching the principles on how to receive it. I'm sorry but I just had to quote this again. Do you want to hear the facts or do you want to believe in heresy? Can you tell me they are the only one's out there teaching the "priciples on how to receive it" when in fact:

Miracle Worker's and Faith Teachers That Refused To Trust In God Alone For Healing:

5) Kenneth Hagin (http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html): Wore glasses and had heart problems. His sister died of cancer and his wife was operated on--Can You Be Decieved? (http://www.pfo.org/deceived.htm)


9) Rod Parsley (http://www.myfortress.org/RodParsley.html): Has back problems and at times says that this has kept him out of the pulpit for weeks at a time (He stated this at TBN's Spring Telethon (http://www.myfortress.org/buyamiracle.html) 2004 and other times as well). Yet, hear what Rod teaches, "Let's settle the matter once and for all, God doesn't want you sick."

11) Benny Hinn's (http://www.myfortress.org/BennyHinn.html) crusades: It can be proven by empirical evidence that more people have died at his crusades that have been healed. See article: Four die at Hinn crusade (http://www.pfo.org/four-die.htm).
Sydney Williams a man that would take care of Hinn's children died from a heroin overdose in 1998. Hinn's close personal aide and travel companion David Delgado died from complications of heroin abuse in 1998. Are you telling me that Hinn's close companion was not healed and died from complications from heroin abuse? Why wasn't he delivered? Why wasn't he healed by Hinn? A man that close to Hinn dies from sickness, I hope this helps to open your eyes, (WKMG Channel 6 T.V. Orlando, Florida, December 1998. "Many Faces Of Benny Hinn DVD (http://www.pfo.org/book-cat.htm)")
In Oklahoma City a woman attending a Hinn crusade was not merely crushed, she was killed. Ella Peppard died from complications she suffered after someone was slain in the spirit right on top of her. The ensuing lawsuit was settled out of court. (Hank Hanegraaff, "Counterfeit Revival, (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0849942942/ref=lpr_g_2/104-8548538-0250341?v=glance&s=books)" page 189)

17) Kenneth Copeland (http://www.myfortress.org/KennethCopeland.html): "Much to my deep regret I must postpone our meetings in Australia, Singapore, Korea and Hawaii. A few days ago I injured my back badly enough that even though my healing has already started, so many hours of flying would be too much. Let's face it. I let this situation in my back go on for too long," Ken Copeland, website (http://kcm.org.au/).
Yet he teaches: "God intends for every believer to live completely free from sickness and disease. It is up to you to decide whether or not you will...I ain't never stood for anything in my own life that didn't come to pass."

24) Creflo Dollar (http://www.myfortress.org/CrefloDollar.html): Wears glasses yet he teaches: "Words control the body. Oh glory be to God! And regardless of what's going on in your physical body, you got to talk to it. I'm telling you I talk to my major organs...I speak words to it...The tongue in your mouth will control every inch of your physical body! Do not tolerate sickness and disease as long as you got a working tongue that can speak the established Word of God! [Claps] Uh, that's good!"
Why doesn't he talk to his eyes? Why is he tolerating sickness in his eyes?

25) Marilyn Hickey (http://www.myfortress.org/MarilynHickey.html): Wears glasses yet teaches: "Say to your body, 'You're whole, body!...Or speak to your leg, or speak to your foot, or speak to your neck, or speak to your back; and once you have spoken and believe that you have received, and don't go back on it." Why doesn't she speak to her eyes?

32) Jesse Duplantis (http://www.myfortress.org/JesseDuplantis.html): Wears glasses and he teaches: "Did He heal in the Bible? Then why are you accepting that sickness? Why are you content to live with it?" Why is Jesse living with bad eyesight? Why is he accepting it?


I thought this was rather revealing considering the many lives they have ruined over their WoF teachings.

This is the website these facts can be found at:
http://www.myfortress.org/SickGurus.html

[HeIsEnough]

They were receiving their ailments!

:freaked

[Becky]

Yea, many people in wheelchairs leave heartbroken because they were not "healed" at Hinn's crusades. :cry

One of my favorite quotes from Hinn is one I heard not too long ago when I was watching him on TV. He claimed Christ was going to be at a crusade in the flesh! Well, Christ didn't show up. I wonder how he explained that away?

[ready_to_go]

Actually, they are not. They do not heal anyone. If anyone is "healed" it is psychological. There has never been proof such as an arm growing back. It's always been "internal" healing. And there never has been x-rays to back it up. Most people lose the "healing" and think they are not faithful enough and end up crushed. It is sad. :sigh

I wouldn't give the WoF "healers" that much credid. Most churches teach what is scriptural: Let God know what you need and do God's Will. It's a no brainer.

snip

Acutally, they are false teachers. And no, opionions come a dime a dozen. Facts speak all. Look at the facts on Benny Hinn and other WoF teachers. Read what they actually say. If you believe it then you are not doing God's Will or following what scripture says:

Benny Hinn
Trademark: Hinn claims to be specially anointed and to have the gifts of healing and financial blessing at his command. Oh yeah, he also claims to be a god.

Jesus was infected/injected with satan's sin nature in order for redemption to work

"Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him...He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God."
Benny Hinn (TBN December 15 1990)
"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!"
Benny Hinn (TBN, December 1, 1990)
These men think they're Gods!

"When Jesus was on earth, the Bible says that first He disrobed Himself of the divine form. He, the limitless God, became a man that we men may become as He is."
Benny Hinn ("Our Position In Christ" cassette tape #A031190, 1990)
"Let's say, I am a God man." This spirit man within me is a God-Man. I'm a God-Man."
Benny Hinn (Praise the Lord, TBN, December 6, 1990)
"When you were born again the Word was made flesh in you. You are everything He was and everything He is and ever He shall be. Don't say,' I have.' Say, ' I am, I am, I am, I am, I am."

Benny Hinn ("Our Position in Christ #2 -- The Word Made Flesh" 1991, audiotape #A031190-2, side 2)

The Anointing

"Under this anointing, the words I speak cannot fall to the ground. Under this anointing, everything I say, happens."

Listen for yourself:
http://www.bereanfaith.com/images/icons/wav.jpg Benny's "anointing" (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/bennyanointing.wav)

(To keep a copy for yourself, simply right mouse click on the link and select "save target as")
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN September 10, 1999)

TBN to raise the dead through the TV

This exchange between Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn is of a Hinn 'prophesy' that dead people will be brought back to live through their television sets by TBN.

This is rather long, so I am adding it as a new link:

Benny's Prophesy about TBN Raising the Dead (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/tbnraisedead.htm)
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, October 19, 1999)

The 100 fold theory

"The wicked are piling up the funds and I love the way John [Avazini] teaches on this. He's the best there is on how to get the wealth of the wicked. Man, I like it!"
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, Nov. 6 1990 )
"Say after me, all of you, everybody say it, 'The wealth of the wicked is mine.' [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats] One more time. [The audience repeats it again]"
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, April 1990 )

The kingdom of God is on earth

"Years ago they used to preach, 'O we are going to walk on streets of gold.' I would say, 'I don't need the gold up there. I've got to have it down here."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 2nd April 1991 )
The Lord just said to me these words - I'm hearing myself say them for the first time - TBN will not be only a Christian network. It will be an extension of heaven to the earth. And extension - it will be like a tube from heaven that the earth can look and say "I'm looking at heaven, I'm partaking of heaven. I'm getting connected to heaven through this TV tube." If I can say it, it will be heaven's signal to the earth. It will be as though heaven is transmitting and earth is receiving through that set. So if you want to go to heaven, you want to see heaven, you want to taste heaven, turn on that channel, 'cause you will.
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, October 19, 1999)
The importance of earthly riches

"Poverty comes from Hell. Prosperity comes from Heaven. Christians do not have Christ in their hearts. Sow a big seed, when you confess it, you are activating the supernatural forces of God."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-thon (TBN), November 6, 1990)

Above Reproach - testing their spirits

"Yes, Lord, I'll do it. I place a curse on every man and every woman that will stretch his hand against this anointing. I curse that man who dares to speak a word against this ministry. But any man and any woman that raises his or her hand in blessing towards this ministry, I bless that man. I bless that home! I bless that family. Under this anointing, the words I speak cannot fall to the ground. Under this anointing, everything I say, happens."
Benny Hinn (TBN September 10, 1999)
"I want to tell you why I believe people get sick...In 2 Chronicles 16, verse 10 - and I like to read this - verse 10 and 11 and 12, the bible says sickness comes when individuals attack preachers."
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN, June 8, 1998)
"If you have attacked me, your children will pay for it."

Listen for yourself:
http://www.bereanfaith.com/images/icons/wav.jpg Benny's Humble Spirit (http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/bennythreat.wav)

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Benny Hinn (TBN "Heresy Hunters" October 23 1992)

Death Threats (No, I'm not kidding)

"I want to use Holy Ghost machine gun to kill Heresy Hunters."
Benny Hinn (Praise-a-thon TBN, November 8, 1990 )

The 9-godhead doctrine

"Man, I feel revelation knowledge already coming on me here. Life your hands. Something new is going to happen here today. I felt it just as I walked down here. Holy Spirit, take over in the name of Jesus...God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person; and he is a triune being by himself separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. Say, what did you say? Here it, hear it, hear it. See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person. But each one of them is a triune being by Himself. If I can shock you - and maybe I should - there's nine of them. Huh, what did you say? Let me explain: God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with his own personal spirit, with his own personal soul, and his own personal spirit body. You say, Huh, I never heard that. Well, you think you're in this church to hear things you've heard for the last 50 years? You can't argue with the Word, can you? It's all in the Word".
Benny Hinn (Praise The Lord, TBN October 3, 1990)
God has 9 parts (tritheism).
A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit.

Benny Hinn (Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90 )
Paul Crouch: Let's talk a little bit about theology now. These are issues that I consider to be up for debate, discussion, within the broad spectrum of the body of Christ. You don't have total agreement on, for example, the Trinity. There is a group, the Jesus Only group, or the Oneness group that believes that there's only one Person - anyway, we won't get into that deeply into the doctrinal aspect, but you have been attacked on some statements that you have made concerning the Trinity and the members of the Godhead. How many are there in the Godhead?

Benny Hinn: Three.

Crouch: Three.

Hinn: Simply three.

Crouch: Not nine.

Hinn: Goodness.

Crouch: Where did that silly charge come from?

Hinn: [Unintelligible] It almost became comical. Paul, here's what I believe. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Three separate Individuals, one in essence, one in work, and each one of them possesses His own spirit body. That's what I believe. If you don't like it.

Benny Hinn (Benny Hinn, Praise The Lord, October 23, 1992)


There's more but you get the picture. ;):


Becky,

Like I stated above, I don't know much about Benny Hinn. But you do prove my point. Why do a lot of preachers shy away from WOF beliefs, because they know someone out there is ready to attack if they follow them. Why take the risk. They would rather preach some cute little story, put half the congregation to sleep, never feed their people with any spiritual meat, and rush home to watch some NFL game. Sure don't want to wake anyone up, and ruffle some feathers. The church board might want to take my papers away, then where would I be. This is what is going on out there. I am not saying what Mr. Hinn said above is right or wrong. But I would like to see anyone put in front of people over a time span of 30 years on so many occasions and get it right everytime. People get caught up in a moment, the excitement of a situation, and something may slip. I sure wish I had a tape of the last 30 years of all the people that talk these men down so I could catch all their slip ups. Most would be embarassed. I know I am not perfect.

[sandy111]

Becky,

Like I stated above, I don't know much about Benny Hinn. But you do prove my point. Why do a lot of preachers shy away from WOF beliefs, because they know someone out there is ready to attack if they follow them. Why take the risk. They would rather preach some cute little story, put half the congregation to sleep, never feed their people with any spiritual meat, and rush home to watch some NFL game. Sure don't want to wake anyone up, and ruffle some feathers. The church board might want to take my papers away, then where would I be. This is what is going on out there. I am not saying what Mr. Hinn said above is right or wrong. But I would like to see anyone put in front of people over a time span of 30 years on so many occasions and get it right everytime. People get caught up in a moment, the excitement of a situation, and something may slip. I sure wish I had a tape of the last 30 years of all the people that talk these men down so I could catch all their slip ups. Most would be embarassed. I know I am not perfect.

:faint well I'll stick with Gods word.

Becky posted some rather good info on the wof crowd, apperently the hyposcrisy is ok :freaked

its obvious what they have been doing has'nt been a slip of the tongue ,
a mistake. they do it over and over and over and over.........

we will be held accountable for not using righteious judgement.
some dont want to judge at all. thats not what scripture says.

so many have been destroyed by these evil men.
my heart hurts for them.

promising things they dont have to give. :yell

[savedandhappy1]

When I hear of Mr Hinn going to St. Judes hospital, quietly and on his own, and being able to empty that hospital of all the sick children without passing the hat for an offering, then I'll say that I think he is a true man of God with a true gift of healing. Until then, smoke and mirrors. I choose to believe that if God does choose to heal someone, it can be done without Hinn or any of the other WOFers.

Now see I would think the other way, because BH can't heal anyone, IMHO. Only God can. So if I heard or read he went to the hospital and emptied it of all the sick I would believe that he was a ac or something like that.

God does the healing according to His will, and plan. Yes, someone may tell us to get up and walk or bath so many times in the river Jordon, but God does the healing.

[Becky]

Becky,

Like I stated above, I don't know much about Benny Hinn. But you do prove my point. Why do a lot of preachers shy away from WOF beliefs, because they know someone out there is ready to attack if they follow them. Why take the risk. They would rather preach some cute little story, put half the congregation to sleep, never feed their people with any spiritual meat, and rush home to watch some NFL game. Sure don't want to wake anyone up, and ruffle some feathers. The church board might want to take my papers away, then where would I be. This is what is going on out there. I am not saying what Mr. Hinn said above is right or wrong. But I would like to see anyone put in front of people over a time span of 30 years on so many occasions and get it right everytime. People get caught up in a moment, the excitement of a situation, and something may slip. I sure wish I had a tape of the last 30 years of all the people that talk these men down so I could catch all their slip ups. Most would be embarassed. I know I am not perfect.So you are saying by not preaching this heresy we are still not preaching the Word of God?
Now you are insulting those who understand the facts about the heresy of Word of Faith.

Preaching the Word of God does not equate Word of Faith. I am glad my church is preaching the Word of God and it is full of meat.

Am I reading this correctly? Just because we disagree with you and show you the lies these so called preachers are preaching doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye to it and blame us.

[sandy111]

seeing as how some believe in hinn,
I say prove it. post evidence of healing.

it aint gonna happen....hard evidence.

[Becky]

Now sandy111, you need to join me in clearing out the cancer wards! The hospitals! And disaster areas!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/BeckyRR1/P7030063.jpg

[Becky]

Sorry about that. I had too much chocolate today...

:B:

[blitzkreig]

I have become convinced that "whole crowd" is the apostasy which is often spoken of as an end-times precursor.

There is a Baptist guy who hosts he calls an "END TIMES APOSTASY ONLINE DATABASE" much the way that the RR main site hosts the Rapture Index. It is most interesting ...

If any are interested they can google for the site (I won't post a link as although I have never seen a Forum link from his site there might be one which I haven't tripped over ... and we are not to post links to other Forums).

[Joel]

once more, I think some confusion comes from not having a proper understanding of God's will and what it exactly is.

God's sovereign will, God's perfect will, God's permissive will, etc.

Seems like this is oft-glossed over, and can/has cleared up some things for myself.

[Joel]

(I won't post a link as although I have never seen a Forum link from his site there might be one which I haven't tripped over ... and we are not to post links to other Forums).

http://www.rr-bb.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31

[ready_to_go]

I just put together a few verses that show God’s intent for His people as pertaining to prosperity. You have to understand the laws of prosperity, but these things will work when you follow those laws. I listened to Ken Copeland and Creflo Do