Can someone take the mark accidentally?

[Can't Wait!]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I am unable to find any related threads.
Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Please support your POV with scripture. :):

[Mindenite]

Please support your POV with scripture. :):
Ok, so I am lazy. I would say (without such scriptures to back it up as of yet) that the mark of the beast is not the mark of the beast without the willingness and knowledge of what it truly is. It is like if someone unknowingly says the sinner's prayer (or forgiveness prayer depending on what you call it); it isn't the sinner's prayer if the person doesn't say it purposely and meanfully. Now I will leave and let people actually look this stuff up :D:

[Can't Wait!]

Ok, so I am lazy. I would say (without such scriptures to back it up as of yet) that the mark of the beast is not the mark of the beast without the willingness and knowledge of what it truly is. It is like if someone unknowingly says the sinner's prayer (or forgiveness prayer depending on what you call it); it isn't the sinner's prayer if the person doesn't say it purposely and meanfully. Now I will leave and let people actually look this stuff up :D:


:lol

[Maria]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I am unable to find any related threads.
Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Please support your POV with scripture. :):


mmm, wow, that's a toughy!!!! I guess just like the gospel will be preached to everyone so that there is no excuse when they get to heaven and say, "..I never heard the gospel.." (Chapter 25:31-46) it might be the same with the mark. I believe that everyone will have a chance to hear the gospel and either accept or reject it... With the mark, that's deep because it is my understanding that you have to know what and why you are taking it for.. It is a complete and final refusal or Christ and an acceptance and worship of the Beast... which is an abomination to God...

The mark according to the book of Revelations Chapter 13:16-18 is a mark that is VISIBLE so it can be seen who you are and who you serve. That it also is the name of the beast or the number of his name. So the mark of the beast is associated with that the BEAST and whatever it represents...

Seems like an allegiance, perhaps...?:twitch

[LaMontre]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I am unable to find any related threads.
Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Please support your POV with scripture. :):

I don't think so.

You are condemned to hell for taking it, so it will mean something far more insidious than just getting a tatoo, or simply inserting a transponder beneath your skin.

BUT....that said, it will obviously be a different dispensation. The time of the gentiles will be fulfilled and God will once again turn his attention to Israel and finishing the promises made to them.

It seems however, that there is only ONE way to make it to heaven then as well, and that is NOT to take the mark. Of course this will mean either starvation or even perhaps beheading? At any rate certain death, unless you somehow just happen to survive through to the millenium?

So, from that perspective, it may be simply a taking of a mark that condemns you......but one thing is for certain, God does not condemn based upon marks or tatoos, but based upon the heart. So you will have to have a prior heart condition and attitude toward God first, to even take that mark.

This is why there will be angels in the heavens warning against taking it etc. It will be an informed decision.

[IbeleiveinJesus]

You are condemned to hell for taking it, so it will mean something far more insidious than just getting a tatoo, or simply inserting a transponder beneath your skin.

Yeah, I've always wondered why someone who takes the mark can no longer be forgiven... Many satanists and other terrible sinners are forgiven when they turn to the Lord, so what makes the mark so different?

My :tin :tin theory is that some kind of mind or mental control is involved, and the person in essence hands their free will over to the AC when they take it..

So it is not an issue of not repenting, but folks with the mark are no longer able to do so, as they have no more free will...

Again, this is only my whacked out idea, based on nothing.. and I am probably completely wrong so feel free to laugh if you wish ;):

-Ted

[christian1st]

The mark of the beast is not the first time GOD has used such a mark.I think we can learn from what HE has done before.

Ezekiel 9
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."

5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.

It seems to me once GOD starts to show HIS wrath on the people with the mark there was no turning back or changing their minds just to save their torment or lives.Remember GOD knows whats in our hearts and weather we will ever turn to HIM or not before we ever do.So it seems to me once the mark is taken your heart would be so hardened that you would never want to change your mind.



Revelation 14
9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

From my small understanding they will be more angry at GOD for tormenting them than anything.I can see that.I know a few now who say if GOD is real they want nothing to do with HIM if HE is not the kind of GOD they want.So I'm sure it will be the same or worse then.Even if they believe HE is real they dont want anything to do with HIM.Hard hearts dont change their minds,if GOD says they wont.I think once they take the mark that GOD will harden their hearts to do just that.Hope that makes sense.

[DMac]

Yeah, I've always wondered why someone who takes the mark can no longer be forgiven... Many satanists and other terrible sinners are forgiven when they turn to the Lord, so what makes the mark so different?

My :tin :tin theory is that some kind of mind or mental control is involved, and the person in essence hands their free will over to the AC when they take it..

So it is not an issue of not repenting, but folks with the mark are no longer able to do so, as they have no more free will...

Again, this is only my whacked out idea, based on nothing.. and I am probably completely wrong so feel free to laugh if you wish ;):

-Ted

They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2Thessalonians 2:10-12

[bleatingsheep]

My question is What if you are given the mark against your will eg when restrained or drugged. Nobody ever seems to discuss this possibility

[Mindenite]

My question is What if you are given the mark against your will eg when restrained or drugged. Nobody ever seems to discuss this possibility
Despite my lack of scriputural backing, my post applies to this as well.

[Carolyn]

I think the BIG KEY in the scripture is this part....

"If anyone worships the beast and his image"

These people worship the best and his image so much they want to take the mark for him.

[humbleone]

Yeah, I've always wondered why someone who takes the mark can no longer be forgiven... Many satanists and other terrible sinners are forgiven when they turn to the Lord, so what makes the mark so different?

My :tin :tin theory is that some kind of mind or mental control is involved, and the person in essence hands their free will over to the AC when they take it..

So it is not an issue of not repenting, but folks with the mark are no longer able to do so, as they have no more free will...

Again, this is only my whacked out idea, based on nothing.. and I am probably completely wrong so feel free to laugh if you wish ;):

-Ted
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Ted,

I dont think you're wrong at all! And I also have thought these same things as you. Remember in the Word it says that God will CAUSE THEM to believe a delusion... to me that does sound like a person's mind is no longer within their own control. I know people in general laugh and scoff whenever mind control topics are brought up but the truth remains that such things do exist.

It will be an incredibly evil time, that's for sure. :twitch

[Werner]

I think the order goes something like this:

AC declares he is a god --> False Prophet makes an idol --> All must worship the beast and/or his image or die --> those who worship and don't die must take his mark which allows them to to eat and live.

IMHO, the mark is a sign that you have already shown you worship the beast. How do you know for sure who has or who has not really worshiped the beast? Those who have can show the proof in the mark they took. Therefore, anyone without the mark can/must be brought to the beast and/or idol and given their one chance: Worship, and receive the mark, or refuse and die.

So the mark is a symbol of proof: of acceptance and worship of the beast...

So no one will be drugged or forced against their will, they will be killed or worship the beast (and in worshiping him take his mark as proof that they are his followers.)

That is why I don't think the mark is really about bar codes, microchips, or anything other than his (the beasts) number, name, or mark. It doesn't have to be anything unique to the person, like their own number, it just has to be proof that they have worshiped the beast as their god. You have the mark: all is well in the evil empire. You don't have the mark: you will be forced to either accept and worship the beast and in so doing receive the proof of it (the mark), or you will die.

IMHO :wave

[Carolyn]

I think the order goes something like this:

AC declares he is a god --> False Prophet makes an idol --> All must worship the beast and/or his image or die --> those who worship and don't die must take his mark which allows them to to eat and live.

IMHO, the mark is a sign that you have already shown you worship the beast. How do you know for sure who has or who has not really worshiped the beast? Those who have can show the proof in the mark they took. Therefore, anyone without the mark can/must be brought to the beast and/or idol and given their one chance: Worship, and receive the mark, or refuse and die.

So the mark is a symbol of proof: of acceptance and worship of the beast...

So no one will be drugged or forced against their will, they will be killed or worship the beast (and in worshiping him take his mark as proof that they are his followers.)

That is why I don't think the mark is really about bar codes, microchips, or anything other than his (the beasts) number, name, or mark. It doesn't have to be anything unique to the person, like their own number, it just has to be proof that they have worshiped the beast as their god. You have the mark: all is well in the evil empire. You don't have the mark: you will be forced to either accept and worship the beast and in so doing receive the proof of it (the mark), or you will die.

IMHO :wave


YEAH! What you said. :nod

[joyfulyredeemed]

It won't be accidental at all. Theories about the chip being placed in a syringe when getting a vaccination don't scare me one bit.

Accidential & decieved are two different things though. We've been told that the mark must have worship involved, but few people really define worship as anything which comes before our Lord. When hearing about worship, I automatically think of singing praises, praying & being on my knees. It's hard to imagine even non-christians willing to worship the beast in this way. So maybe we need to expand on what constitues worship.

The Bible says that we either serve God or mammon. That we cannot serve 2 masters & will either love one or the other. We are also told that we should love God with all our heart & mind and let NOTHING come before Him. So the worship involved could be something as simple as putting one's rationalizations above the clear warning in God's Word (I care for my family & don't want to see them starve, love covers a multitude of sins, etc). Doing that would be putting self perservation & family above the LORD....your master is self then.

If the mark comes as a government response to terrorism, then that opens a whole new can of worms. National pride & love for country is one thing, but putting it above the Word of God is wrong. Can you imagine the problems this would cause if the Lord tarries & doesn't rapture us out before the tribulation? "Ah, it can't be the MOB, we're still here, it's just a percusor to the real mark. I'm taking it because I love my country and want to stop the evil terrorists, don't you care about your country? don't you love your fellow countrymen? do you want the terrorists to win this war? Which side are you on?!!!!!" Truly in a situation like that, wrong would seem very right & right would seem very wrong. In that scenerio, you would be serving country before the Lord.

People here during the tribulation can't accidently take it, but I tire of prophecy teachers saying that you cannot be tricked into taking it, that's so misleading imo. How do you define deception then? It's nothing more than TRICKERY as it's finest.

My opinion is that any mark, implant should be REFUSED even on this side of the rapture. Believing in pre-trib is one thing, but honestly, how sure are you? Willing to bet your salvation on it? I'm not. (not looking for debate, it's a personal question to ask yourself).

[Werner]

Keep in mind that the Mark of the Beast is specifically limited to the final 42 months of the last 7 years before Christ returns to destroy the anti-Christ and his followers. We are told through Daniel and in Revelation that not until the anti-Christ defiles the Temple and demands he is worshiped as a god that the mark is instituted. That occurs mid-way through the week...

The mark is not something anyone will be deceived into (while they may be deceived about the truth, they will know why they are taking the mark, and that it directly relates to the worship of this man who is the beast), nor will it be something around while the Church is still on the Earth...

:wave

[Carolyn]

Keep in mind that the Mark of the Beast is specifically limited to the final 42 months of the last 7 years before Christ returns to destroy the anti-Christ and his followers. We are told through Daniel and in Revelation that not until the anti-Christ defiles the Temple and demands he is worshiped as a god that the mark is instituted. That occurs mid-way through the week...

The mark is not something anyone will be deceived into (while they may be deceived about the truth, they will know why they are taking the mark, and that it directly relates to the worship of this man who is the beast), nor will it be something around while the Church is still on the Earth...

:wave


Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
I also believe that God has His witnesses out there for a reason, to warn people of the truth, there will be no doubts IMO that these people will KNOW what they are choosing to do. God is a just God.

[sracer]

I'm reposting this from the other thread from whence it came....

The MOB won't be something one can take accidentally or in ignorance.
I disagree.

Rev 13:16-17, "And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads, [17] even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name. "

It looks like people will receive the mark simply to be able to buy and sell goods. Nothing is said about the mark being a sign of worshipping of the beast.

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Rev 14:9, " And a third angel followed them, saying with a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand"

Rev 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."

Rev 16:2, "And the first went and poured out his vial on the earth. And a bad and grievous sore fell on the men who had the mark of the beast, and on those who worshiped his image. "

In these verses it seems like those who worship the beast and its image could be different from those who received the mark. It appears that there will be those who worship the beast and DON'T take the mark, those that do both, those that only take the mark, and those that do neither.


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Rev 19:20, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone."

Note, only the beast, false prophet, and those who worshipped his image were taken. Nothing about those receiving the mark only. One can conclude that at some point later in the Tribulation, ALL who received the mark will worship the beast. But it doesn't necessarily START that way.


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Rev 20:4, "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. "

...but in the end, the result is the same, no distinction is made. Based on the interpretation of those verses it does seem possible that people may initially take the MotB and not worship the beast...and that later on all with the mark will worship the beast.


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For those who believe that taking the mark is linked to worshipping the beast and his image, please provide an explanation for why Scripture initial mentions 2 distinct groups of people but later refers to them as one?

[semperfidelis]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I am unable to find any related threads.
Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Please support your POV with scripture. :):

I do not think so because it states that if you refuse there will be attempted consequences for not taking it. This would lead me to believe it is taken as part of a statement of faith and or choice to either reject or accept the Antichrists claim to be the Messiah.

I certainly would guard against being tricked into taking it, but I do not think it will be administered under a trick application. I think you will be asked what you want to do first and given a choice. Similar to if someone asked you to bow down and worship them. You would either accept or say no. If it is part of the Antichrists attempt to mark his followers and weed out and persecute those that follow Christ.

[Werner]

Revelation 13:11-17

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In context it seems more clear that they are tied together, IMHO. Think you can take the mark without worshiping the beast? How would that be possible when to not worship the beast is met with death? Only those who worship the beast will live to even have the opportunity to take the mark...

Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 16:2 seem to support this. I don't see any support for making it into three groups (worships without mark, worshipers with mark, mark without worship). How can you get the mark without being required to worship the beast? Who will worship the beast and not take his mark? This isn't lip service we are talking about, but real worship IMHO.

The worship comes first, not the mark. That I think is the cause of confusion. If you don't worship him you die. Lip service won't cut it, because you must take the mark which proves the reality of your worship of him. I think it's splitting hairs to try and divide them too much. Sure, it implies you can worship him (with lip service) and not die for that, but without the mark you will starve to death...

I think they are mentioned separately so people will have a better understanding of what is going on. Look at how much confusion there is already on the MotB and it's relation to people, and it's not even here yet. If it were any more vague people would trust nothing and be even more worried. But the end result is that it begins with worship, and will lead to the mark. That is why they are not the same thing, there is an order of how these two issues, though tied together, play out.

IMHO :wave

[semperfidelis]

Revelation 13:11-17

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

In context it seems more clear that they are tied together, IMHO. Think you can take the mark without worshiping the beast? How would that be possible when to not worship the beast is met with death? Only those who worship the beast will live to even have the opportunity to take the mark...

Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 16:2 seem to support this. I don't see any support for making it into three groups (worships without mark, worshipers with mark, mark without worship). How can you get the mark without being required to worship the beast? Who will worship the beast and not take his mark? This isn't lip service we are talking about, but real worship IMHO.

The worship comes first, not the mark. That I think is the cause of confusion. If you don't worship him you die. Lip service won't cut it, because you must take the mark which proves the reality of your worship of him. I think it's splitting hairs to try and divide them too much. Sure, it implies you can worship him (with lip service) and not die for that, but without the mark you will starve to death...

I think they are mentioned separately so people will have a better understanding of what is going on. Look at how much confusion there is already on the MotB and it's relation to people, and it's not even here yet. If it were any more vague people would trust nothing and be even more worried. But the end result is that it begins with worship, and will lead to the mark. That is why they are not the same thing, there is an order of how these two issues, though tied together, play out.

IMHO :wave

Werner, actually if you think about this I do not exactly agree with you. The Antichrist and his armies will not have the manpower to ensure that everyone is worshiping the beast. Worship will be required but the only way to prove and ensure that everyone is taking part in this and making the choice is to administer a Mark that shows loyalty and does not allow buying and selling.

The reason the selling and buying is mentioned points to the fact that there will be a challenge to ensure everyone is taking part.

I think anyway. Those that try to hide will eventually have to go underground or will be forced to make a choice.

[Werner]

Werner, actually if you think about this I do not exactly agree with you. The Antichrist and his armies will not have the manpower to ensure that everyone is worshiping the beast. Worship will be required but the only way to prove and ensure that everyone is taking part in this and making the choice is to administer a Mark that shows loyalty and does not allow buying and selling.

The reason the selling and buying is mentioned points to the fact that there will be a challenge to ensure everyone is taking part.

I think anyway. Those that try to hide will eventually have to go underground or will be forced to make a choice.
:doh

Is that really different than what I was saying? I didn't mean it to be. :Faint

[blitzkreig]

Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Can someone today who has been chosen of God by the Father to give to the Son by "accident" be missed in effort for "salvation"?

Joh 10:27-29
(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Not possible ...

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[Hootmon]

Can someone take the mark accidentally? No.

[Can't Wait!]

No.


Care to elaborate your position using scripture? :):
(For the record, I agree with you.)

[Hootmon]

Care to elaborate your position using scripture? :):
(For the record, I agree with you.)Taking the Mark is associated with Worship of the Beast. You wont be allowed one without the other. And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
(Revelation 13:15-17) Here are the other references to Mark (charagma)...(Revelation 14:9) And a third angel followed them, saying with a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand,

(Revelation 14:11) And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

(Revelation 15:2) And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

(Revelation 16:2) And the first went and poured out his vial on the earth. And a bad and grievous sore fell on the men who had the mark of the beast, and on those who worshiped his image.

(Revelation 19:20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.

(Revelation 20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. See what I mean?

[kgreen20]

So babies and preschool-age children (up to age 6) who have the mark forced on them during the Tribulation won't be condemned to Hell because they were literally forced by their parents to take it.

Hope that's the case! I'd like to think that God will show them mercy, given their circumstances.

[A_AmericanSaint]

So babies and preschool-age children (up to age 6) who have the mark forced on them during the Tribulation won't be condemned to Hell because they were literally forced by their parents to take it.

What makes you believe that babies will be required to take the mark? They cannot obviously worship the beast, nor do they buy or sell. I don't see small children having to make this choice, until around age 14, or the age when they reach adulthood.

[Werner]

Keep in mind that we are talking about a period of 42 months... so there won't be very many children ever having to face this issue, IMHO.

:wave

[semperfidelis]

:doh

Is that really different than what I was saying? I didn't mean it to be. :Faint

Maybe not, but I wanted to clarify that in order for the system to prove that people are worshiping they will facilitate the Mark.

I think that is what your saying.

[Werner]

:thumb

[Can't Wait!]

Taking the Mark is associated with Worship of the Beast. You wont be allowed one without the other. Here are the other references to Mark (charagma)... See what I mean?


Yup, and totally agree. :thumb


I began this thread because I got involved in a debate with sracer, arguing your exact position. Instead of further derailing that thread, I told him I'd start a new one for it. I didn't post my position because I wanted it to begin from a neutral position to be fair to him. :):

[heartsick hazel]

Does this thread remind anyone else of The Left Behind book (I forgot which one) when that Christian guy was drugged and given the mark against his will?

[semperfidelis]

Not sure who is pre trib here, but what if Children under a certain age are raptured or exempt from the Mark because they are to young to make a decision.

[kgreen20]

Children under the age of accountability will definitely be Raptured, but there will be more born during the Tribulation. They're the ones I had in mind when I asked my question above. Hopefully, neither they nor any born-again Tribulation believers are going to have the mark forced upon them against their will. But if, Heaven forbid, they are, it is my hope that God will have mercy upon them. I believe He would, if that happened (just as He was exhibited as doing with Chang in The Mark by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, because he was drugged and given the mark against his expressed wishes).

[A_AmericanSaint]

There will be no unwillful taking of the mark. Simply put it is the perversion of false worship which cannot be unwillful. In order to accept the mark, this portion of the acceptance is vital. Children will not be made to take the mark because they cannot choose to do this. They simply lack the faculty to choose to renegade against Christ. That choice won't be able to be made until they are accountable for their actions. Even if they are forced to take the mark, it wouldn't damn them to hell, for the Scripture clearly states that they must worship the beasts image to do so (in addition to taking the mark, willfully).

Saint

[70thWeek]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but I am unable to find any related threads.
Do you believe that someone could unwittingly take the mark of the beast? Why or why not? Please support your POV with scripture. :):

Really, I think that the significance of the mark involves worship, which would be more involved than simply getting a tattoo or whatever it could be.