Does anyone esle wonder why Eve was able to talk with a serpent?

[hannahrachel]

Does anyone have ideas about this? Could we in the beginning of man, before the fall, where we capable of talking to and understanding animals? Do you think if there are animals in heaven(after all they didn't eat the forbidden fruit and are doing G-ds will as we speak). I will say here I hope we will see our animals again and be able to talk to them, I have to believe they will be there, since the Lord said in heaven the lion and the lamb would lie together. I hope to be able to communicate with them, and wow, to pet a lion and ride a whale, how awesome would that be?
thanks hannahrachel

[cathy1953]

Does anyone have ideas about this? Could we in the beginning of man, before the fall, where we capable of talking to and understanding animals? Do you think if there are animals we will be able to communicate with them?
thanks hannahrachel


Oh, I certainly do believe there will be animals in Heaven. {There's another thread on here going on about our pets beng raptured with us.}
The thought HAD crossed my mind if we would be able to communicate with animals in Heaven.
That's a good possiblity. We can communicate to some extent with our animals now. How else are we able to train them?
My dog understands many things I tell him, and he is able to communicate certain things to me, that he wants me to know.
So I do believe there may be a good possibility that this ability may be expanded in Heaven.
Thanks for posting this question and allowing me to express my thoughts also.

[ManhattanGuy]

What's always bothered me about the Adam and Eve account is why God punished all snakes when it was merely the actions of one individual serpent that coxed Eve to sin? And furthermore that serpent happened to be Satan or at least possessed by Satan.

[Morningstarlet]

What's always bothered me about the Adam and Eve account is why God punished all snakes when it was merely the actions of one individual serpent that coxed Eve to sin? And furthermore that serpent happened to be Satan or at least possessed by Satan.

Probably for the same reason that sin effected all of the human race, not just Adam and Eve. Just as the serpent was under the influence of Satan, so Eve was also under the influence of Satan.

[fefeh]

Maybe the reason that God punished all mankind because of the actions of one man? Painless childbirth would have been nice :):

[ManhattanGuy]

But see, the fact that God has punished all of mankind because of the actions of someone else has always bothered me to this day. I've always carried the idea in the back of my mind that God may not be truly just because of it. There is no way that you can say that it is just to punish someone for the crimes of another. There's something wrong with that.

[Morningstarlet]

But see, the fact that God has punished all of mankind because of the actions of someone else has always bothered me to this day. I've always carried the idea in the back of my mind that God may not be truly just because of it. There is no way that you can say that it is just to punish someone for the crimes of another. There's something wrong with that.

Sin broke the fellowship of man and God, and man died spiritually. Since God can not look on sin He had to drive Adam and Eve from the garden, and the entire earth was cursed with sin. It wasn't just that Adam and Eve made a mistake and God punished everyone, it's that Adam and Eve broke their fellowship with God and their entire natures were corrupted with sin. I think to understand why we have to look at the Nature of God which is sinless and Holy. But I'm sure there's someone else on this board that can explain it better than me.

[ManhattanGuy]

Yes but as you said Adam and Eve broke their fellowship. Billions of other people suffered because of their stupidity. How is that just or fair?

Please undestand that I am a Christian, this is just one of those things that's always bothered me and eats away at my faith from time to time.

[Morningstarlet]

Yes but as you said Adam and Eve broke their fellowship. Billions of other people suffered because of their stupidity. How is that just or fair?

Please undestand that I am a Christian, this is just one of those things that's always bothered me and eats away at my faith from time to time.

The best I can explain it is that they became corrupted by the sin nature, where as before they weren't. Before they had a relationship with God, were innocent, now they were sinful beings. God can't have sin in His presence. And since they now had sinful natures ... that nature would be passed to their children and infect the entire human race. God could have wiped them out, but He chose to send His only begotten Son to save us. That is the merciful and loving nature of God. He could have wiped them out, but He didn't. He loves us anyway. I wish I was better at explaining things, but that's about the best I can do. God loves us anyway, despite our wicked natures. :):

[cathy1953]

I also have a couple of questions. In Genesis 2:17 God specifically told Adam not to eat of the tree in the garden. It was not until after the animals were created that God created Eve, in Genesis 2:21-22.
It doesn't say that God repeated His warning so that Eve would hear it as Adam did.
See....Adam heard the warning...and he is not the one who committed the sin. Eve did not hear the warning, unless God or Adam DID repeat it so that she would know even tho the Bible doesn't record it, but Eve is the one who committed the sin.

I've always felt like that the woman was being blamed for something that she hadn't been warned about.

Also, when Eve commited the sin, she was the one who fell not Adam. Why did he have to fall after her?
Why not just the woman?

[Morningstarlet]

I also have a couple of questions. In Genesis 2:17 God specifically told Adam not to eat of the tree in the garden. It was not until after the animals were created that God created Eve, in Genesis 2:21-22.
It doesn't say that God repeated His warning so that Eve would hear it as Adam did.
See....Adam heard the warning...and he is not the one who committed the sin. Eve did not hear the warning, unless God or Adam DID repeat it so that she would know even tho the Bible doesn't record it, but Eve is the one who committed the sin.

I've always felt like that the woman was being blamed for something that she hadn't been warned about.

Also, when Eve commited the sin, she was the one who fell not Adam. Why did he have to fall after her?
Why not just the woman?

Eve did know about the warning, although she got it wrong when she repeated it back to the serpent. She said, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, "You shall not eat it nor shall you touch it, lest you die. Apparently Adam was with her when she ate it, because the Bible says she gave to her husband with her, and he ate. She was wrong in disobeying what her husband told her (assuming she got it from Adam), but Adam was even more wrong in that he got the message straight from God and still stood there and let his wife do wrong.

[cathy1953]

Eve did know about the warning, although she got it wrong when she repeated it back to the serpent. She said, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which in in the midst of the garden, God has said, "You shall not eat it nor shall you touch it, lest you die. Apparently Adam was with her when she ate it, because the Bible says she gave to her husband with her, and he ate. She was wrong in disobeying what her husband told her (assuming she got it from Adam), but Adam was even more wrong in that he got the message straight from God and still stood there and let his wife do wrong.



Hmmmm.....okay, that certainly answers some questions for me.

[FrankDH]

Just some thoughts. Hope they are helpful.

Man may have been created with an ability to converse with animals. May not. It is more likely that the serpent, through Satan, could talk. Balaam conversed with an ass in the presence of an angel. The commonality seems to be a spiritual presence.

God did not punish those generations that did not participate in Adam’s fall. Adam became corrupt through sin. Plant an apple seed you get apples. Propagation of the corrupted produces corrupt fruit. After the fall there was no pure seed to sow because the source was corrupted. You don‘t want fair. You want grace. Fair would have been let bad seed develop what it will. Grace is loving us in spite of Adam’s error. Grace is better.

Eve mentioned the warning to the serpent. She either had prior knowledge or remarkable intuitive abilities. If it was special insight, why wouldn’t she also see the result of her actions before she took them. It seems most logical that she was told and we where not shown the time of her instruction.

Frank

[cameron222]

Stay with me now and don't think I've gone off the deep end, but the serpent may have merely been a vehicle through which satan himself spoke.

Remember when Balam was preached a sermon by that donkey?

Maybe the same thing happened as satan entered the body of a seprent and then mouthed the words.

But it is also interesting that the talking serpent was not shocking to Eve. She responded with something to the effect that they were not supposed to eat of the tree, not "Wow!! A talking snake!!"

[Morningstarlet]

But it is also interesting that the talking serpent was not shocking to Eve. She responded with something to the effect that they were not supposed to eat of the tree, not "Wow!! A talking snake!!"

True, but then maybe God left out the part with ... After Eve retrieved her jaw from the ground she said, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which in in the midst of the garden, God has said, "You shall not eat it nor shall you touch it, lest you die."

[Morningstarlet]

Sorry about the double post. Has anyone else been having trouble with the forum lately?

[FrankDH]

Cameron,

But it is also interesting that the talking serpent was not shocking to Eve. She responded with something to the effect that they were not supposed to eat of the tree, not "Wow!! A talking snake!!"

I have wondered about this. The degree of shock would probably have something to do with her length of experience. If man's stay in Eden was short, it would have been very near the time man was created. Almost every experience would be new, making the unusal an everyday thing. Adam walked and talked with God. Maybe Eve did too. The extraordinary may not have had the same effect on them it would on us.

Frank

[cameron222]

Good point Frank! :):

[blitzkreig]

But see, the fact that God has punished all of mankind because of the actions of someone else has always bothered me to this day. I've always carried the idea in the back of my mind that God may not be truly just because of it. There is no way that you can say that it is just to punish someone for the crimes of another. There's something wrong with that.God's version of what is "justice" is not the same as man's ManhattanGuy. I know that is a difficult thing to get one's head around but it is the fact. I post from the Contemporary version as it makes the point stand out ...
Exo 34:7 I keep my promises to my people forever, but I also punish anyone who sins. When people sin, I punish them and their children, and also their grandchildren and great-grandchildren."

Num 14:17-18
(17) Show us your great power, LORD. You promised
(18) that you love to show mercy and kindness. And you said that you are very patient, but that you will punish everyone guilty of doing wrong--not only them but their children and grandchildren as well.

Deu 5:9-10
(9) Don't bow down and worship idols. I am the LORD your God, and I demand all your love. If you reject me and worship idols, I will punish your families for three or four generations.
(10) But if you love me and obey my laws, I will be kind to your families for thousands of generations.

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[4fish]

Stay with me now and don't think I've gone off the deep end, but the serpent may have merely been a vehicle through which satan himself spoke.

Actually, I'll dive in with you. :D:
I agree. It was not the serpent itself speaking.

Later scripture indicates that it was Satan speaking through the serpent - just as Satan can speak through false teachers/prophets (see 2 Cor 11:3,14) and just as Satan can be described in different forms (see Rev 12:9, 20:2).

Don't forget also, that he wasn't a "snake" at the time. After the fall is when God said to the serpent that "on your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust". So what kind of animal was it when it tempted Eve?

[cameron222]

Manhattan guy, I can't explain why, but apparently the sin of Adam and Eve carried over to us and made us also rebellious toward God. Its like a genetic disease that is passed at birth from the parent to the child. Everyone is "infected" and only Jesus has the cure.

[Benja32one]

Does anyone have ideas about this? Could we in the beginning of man, before the fall, where we capable of talking to and understanding animals? Do you think if there are animals in heaven(after all they didn't eat the forbidden fruit and are doing G-ds will as we speak). I will say here I hope we will see our animals again and be able to talk to them, I have to believe they will be there, since the Lord said in heaven the lion and the lamb would lie together. I hope to be able to communicate with them, and wow, to pet a lion and ride a whale, how awesome would that be?
thanks hannahrachel

:wave
Eve talked to the serpent before the fall, afterwards God made him to go on his belly as we see serpents today. He was probably in another form then. As to pets in heaven, I think you are thinking of the earthly Millennial Kingdom if you are referring to the O. T. prophecies of animals restored to their pre-fall
behaviour.
:nod

[Timothy]

Stay with me now and don't think I've gone off the deep end, but the serpent may have merely been a vehicle through which satan himself spoke.

Remember when Balam was preached a sermon by that donkey?

Maybe the same thing happened as satan entered the body of a seprent and then mouthed the words.

But it is also interesting that the talking serpent was not shocking to Eve. She responded with something to the effect that they were not supposed to eat of the tree, not "Wow!! A talking snake!!"

I agree with Cam's explanation. Now in regards to Eve's lack of surprise, while this is a tagenet, it interesting that there is no surprise with Balaam and his ass (donkey). It asked him a question and he answered! Snip of the full account:

Numbers 22:28-29 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.

[Cindybobindy]

Hey, women like to talk more than men.


(there was some study done that said that women have to get out like 20,000 words per day, or we explode..... and as for men it's like...ummm 3 per day) :lol

(well...that may be an exaggeration...but you get my point...lol)

I realize its a lame theory.... :B:

[antitox]

The earth was given to man. Man is still responsibile for it. When man makes a choice, it affects generations. In the book of Kings/Chronicles, when a king made a choice it affected a nation for many years. That's how authority works. Originally, man chose to make a decision between God and his own way of thinking and it affected the whole earth throughout its existence.

Did God plan for Adam to make the right choice? I don't think so. That's why the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.(Rev 13:8, 1Pet 1:20, Eph 1:4)

The serpent just happened to be the unfortunate vessel that satan used. But because it was used by satan to trip up mankind, judgment was made against it.
IMO, satan is actually being used as a cog in the wheel to accomplish the overall purpose.
Because satan has gotten into this world by initially using a serpent to deceive, he is now able to use people to do evil rather than having to seek out a beast to use as he originally did. He had to start somewhere.

[abkn]

Manhattan guy, I can't explain why, but apparently the sin of Adam and Eve carried over to us and made us also rebellious toward God. Its like a genetic disease that is passed at birth from the parent to the child. Everyone is "infected" and only Jesus has the cure.

Exacly what I was thinking. We pass our Traits to our children.... :thumb

[Hootmon]

Gen 3:13 And Jehovah God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate.
Gen 3:14 And Jehovah God said to the serpent, Because you have done this you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every animal of the field. You shall go upon your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel. Doenst this imply that the serpent didnt 'go upon his belly' before it was cursed?

Im thinking that the 'serpent' wasnt necessarily what we whink of as being a 'snake' prior to deceiving Eve. The root word from which 'serpent' (nâchâsh) is derived means 'wisperer'... nâchash
BDB Definition:
1) to practice divination, divine, observe signs, learn by experience, diligently observe, practice fortunetelling, take as an omen
1a) (Piel)
1a1) to practice divination
1a2) to observe the signs or omens

[antitox]

Doenst this imply that the serpent didnt 'go upon his belly' before it was cursed?

Im thinking that the 'serpent' wasnt necessarily what we whink of as being a 'snake' prior to deceiving Eve. The root word from which 'serpent' (nâchâsh) is derived means 'wisperer'...

I think that it was probably the variant of a lizard.

[Hootmon]

I think that it was probably the variant of a lizard.Or a 'Dragon', perhaps?

[Jacob]

...It doesn't say that God repeated His warning so that Eve would hear it...Adam heard the warning...Eve did not hear the warning, unless God or Adam DID repeat it so that she would know even tho the Bible doesn't record itEve knew the commandment. She recited it back to the serpent when the temptation started.

"And [the serpent] said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"

Also, even though Eve ate first, the bible teaches us that Adam introduced sin into the human race. (Romans 5)

[hannahrachel]

Or a 'Dragon', perhaps?

Hi again,
What if it was a snake possessed by lucifer and eve wasn't surprised when the snake spoke because they(adam&eve) could speak to the animals. What if after the fall one of the punishments was that we lost the ability to use all 100% of our brains, now we use 10% according to most science articles I have read. I have always wondered why we can't connect into the other 90%, why is it even there? Could there be answers to all of our questions the closer we get to heaven, could they be memories, like in genetics, of our ansestors(just theorizing), why can't we use it all, must be some reason, huh!? I like seeing you an active member of the message board, you are refreshing in you thoughts and answers, keep it up!! You are a good man and thanks for your input, hannah

[blh]

I had a thought regarding the "why punish all of mankind/animalkind for the actions of one individual" question. I think that God exists outside of time and could see that all of mankind (throughout the history of the world) would continually have a sinful nature. I remember a verse that says something like "all of creation groans...awaiting the correction of creation that will come with Jesus' return." We took the animals and the planet down with us.

[Hootmon]

Hi again,
What if it was a snake possessed by lucifer and eve wasn't surprised when the snake spoke because they(adam&eve) could speak to the animals. What if after the fall one of the punishments was that we lost the ability to use all 100% of our brains, now we use 10% according to most science articles I have read. I have always wondered why we can't connect into the other 90%, why is it even there? Could there be answers to all of our questions the closer we get to heaven, could they be memories, like in genetics, of our ansestors(just theorizing), why can't we use it all, must be some reason, huh!? I suppose some combination of that is possible. However, Scripture doesnt address the issue. Personally, I think the 'possessed by Lucifer' theory has the best support no matter what physical form the 'serpent' actually took.


I like seeing you an active member of the message board, you are refreshing in you thoughts and answers, keep it up!! You are a good man and thanks for your input, hannah Thanks! :yo

Refreshing, eh? Is that a synonym for 'heretic'? :heh

[twelvesmaster]

Im thinking that the 'serpent' wasnt necessarily what we whink of as being a 'snake' prior to deceiving Eve. The root word from which 'serpent' (nâchâsh) is derived means 'wisperer'...
Or a 'Dragon', perhaps? ...
I'm thinking this is getting closer to the truth. Whoever Eve was speaking to, my theory is that he was quite beautiful, and that she was not surprised to see him there -- that he was a frequent visitor.
Ezek. 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
And though he is condemned to this existence ... upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
he has not lost the ability to transform himself:2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
and is also quite mobile and well traveled.Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Now ... somebody please explain to me how he can "walk", even though he's been consigned to his belly. I'm at a loss to explain that one.

[Jiggy37]

What's always bothered me about the Adam and Eve account is why God punished all snakes when it was merely the actions of one individual serpent that coxed Eve to sin? And furthermore that serpent happened to be Satan or at least possessed by Satan.Maybe it was so that snakes would no longer be an effective creature for Satan to possess.

[Jiggy37]

But see, the fact that God has punished all of mankind because of the actions of someone else has always bothered me to this day. I've always carried the idea in the back of my mind that God may not be truly just because of it. There is no way that you can say that it is just to punish someone for the crimes of another. There's something wrong with that.I don't see it as a punishment, just a consequence. If I tell a pregnant lady not to take drugs and she takes drugs and her baby turns out messed up, it's not really my fault. :noidea


I also have a couple of questions. In Genesis 2:17 God specifically told Adam not to eat of the tree in the garden. It was not until after the animals were created that God created Eve, in Genesis 2:21-22.
It doesn't say that God repeated His warning so that Eve would hear it as Adam did.
See....Adam heard the warning...and he is not the one who committed the sin. Eve did not hear the warning, unless God or Adam DID repeat it so that she would know even tho the Bible doesn't record itThere are many things left unsaid in the Bible, such as when the angels were created.
but Eve is the one who committed the sin.:confused They both did.
I've always felt like that the woman was being blamed for something that she hadn't been warned about.Even assuming she wasn't warned about it, where do you see God's decrees after the fall as "blame"? Especially when, in the New Testament, it's said that through one man sin entered the world.
Also, when Eve commited the sin, she was the one who fell not Adam. Why did he have to fall after her?
Why not just the woman?Huh? :confused

[hannahrachel]

I'm thinking this is getting closer to the truth. Whoever Eve was speaking to, my theory is that he was quite beautiful, and that she was not surprised to see him there -- that he was a frequent visitor.

And though he is condemned to this existence ...
he has not lost the ability to transform himself:
and is also quite mobile and well traveled.

Now ... somebody please explain to me how he can "walk", even though he's been consigned to his belly. I'm at a loss to explain that one.

Hey, maybe he grew some legs! :lol :clap

[hannahrachel]

I don't see it as a punishment, just a consequence. If I tell a pregnant lady not to take drugs and she takes drugs and her baby turns out messed up, it's not really my fault. :noidea


There are many things left unsaid in the Bible, such as when the angels were created.
:confused They both did.
Even assuming she wasn't warned about it, where do you see God's decrees after the fall as "blame"? Especially when, in the New Testament, it's said that through one man sin entered the world.
Huh? :confused

Hi,
I am still trying to figure out where Cain got a wife? :lol So trust me, I think all us have many questions we will ask the Lord.

[ipjones6000]

But see, the fact that God has punished all of mankind because of the actions of someone else has always bothered me to this day. I've always carried the idea in the back of my mind that God may not be truly just because of it. There is no way that you can say that it is just to punish someone for the crimes of another. There's something wrong with that.

I'm probably getting in late on this but what the heck.

First of all, God IS justice. He doesn't just make the rules, he is the rules. Though we might not like it, and it might not make sense by our standards, we have to see it God's way. Saying God is not just is like saying the Constitution is un-constitutional.

I like how morningstarlet put it:
Sin broke the fellowship of man and God, and man died spiritually. Since God can not look on sin He had to drive Adam and Eve from the garden, and the entire earth was cursed with sin. It wasn't just that Adam and Eve made a mistake and God punished everyone, it's that Adam and Eve broke their fellowship with God and their entire natures were corrupted with sin. I think to understand why we have to look at the Nature of God which is sinless and Holy.

“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” Romans 9:20-21

[kgreen20]

Hi,
I am still trying to figure out where Cain got a wife? :lol So trust me, I think all us have many questions we will ask the Lord.



My guess is that he married one of his sisters. Adam and Eve must have had daughters as well as sons; otherwise, the human race would have ended almost before it had a chance to get established. And the taboo on marrying close relatives didn't exist in those days. After all, for Adam and Eve's kids, there was virtually no one else!! =)

Seth eventually found a wife, too. Again, he must have married one of his sisters.

[ManhattanGuy]

Exo 34:7 I keep my promises to my people forever, but I also punish anyone who sins. When people sin, I punish them and their children, and also their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

I've never read this passage before. It's pretty horrible. Punishing people who have committed no crime. At times I feel I've made a great mistake in serving God. This is why people call him a tyrant, and how can I argue against his own words?

[Holly3278]

I always assumed that the serpent was speaking Eve's language.

[antitox]

Hi,
I am still trying to figure out where Cain got a wife? :lol So trust me, I think all us have many questions we will ask the Lord.

(Gen 5:4) "The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters."

[hannahrachel]

I always assumed that the serpent was speaking Eve's language.

I am quite sure of that, and I have also wondered, will the heavenly language be Yiddish or Hebrew or something we haven't heard yet? :confused

I am this is the truth a "Jewish Catholic" baptisied and everything into Catholic Church, I have a lovely baptismal certificate from the Church. I have nothing against the church or the pope, but because I started out a jew, I had huge problems dealing with the icons(it shouldn't matter, but it did to me). My mom even asked me after what I had learned about being jewish how could I bow before idols? I thought long and hard about it, and came to the conclusion that I couldn't even though they were statues honoring Jesus, Mary and the saints.

Since then I have tried Luthren, Methodist, Baptist, evangelical, and even pentacostal, still searching, but the Lord knows me and He will find me a place of rest and peace, that I am sure of! Love the Lord thy G-d and love each other as He loved us first. This is what I live by, now I am a roving teacher of the word, oh the right word just jumped in "a disciple" sorry can't spell either. I am glad you are with the Lord and happy where you are, keep the faith! with Christs love in my heart, hannahrachel :thumb :nod :clap :clap

[Hootmon]

...and I have also wondered, will the heavenly language be Yiddish or Hebrew or something we haven't heard yet? :confused I rather doubt it will be Yiddish. The very idea makes me want to giggle. :heh

A form of 'paleo-Hebrew' seems most likely to me. Try doing a web search for 'Edenics' to get an idea about what I mean.

[HeXp£Øi±]

I'm not so sure that the devil was a snake in the beginning. After all he wasn't cursed to walk on his belly until after his deception. (hope i remember that correctly, check for yourself). My guess is that at that time he(the devil) resembled Adam & Eve in form.

[hannahrachel]

I rather doubt it will be Yiddish. The very idea makes me want to giggle. :heh

A form of 'paleo-Hebrew' seems most likely to me. Try doing a web search for 'Edenics' to get an idea about what I mean.

Hey dude,
Yiddish does sound funny :laugh , the last church I was in spoke in tongues(heavenly language), if you believe in tongues, and yes it is mentioned a few times in the NT. Actually I assume the heavenly language if speaking is even needed to communicate will be the most beautiful language ever, something we can't even imagine. The Lord spoke a form of Hebrew, aramaic, also like yiddish a lost language.

Seriously though I think we will all be surprised since at the tower of Babel we did all speak the same language and I think in heaven that will still be the case!! Cool huh! :thumb or your thought? :B:

[Knight of Faith]

Knowing the serpent was Satan, it's not wierd to me at all that Eve could talk to it.

One would think that she would think it odd though...

[ipjones6000]

I've never read this passage before. It's pretty horrible. Punishing people who have committed no crime. At times I feel I've made a great mistake in serving God. This is why people call him a tyrant, and how can I argue against his own words?

But your judgement of God on his fairness is based upon your understanding. As much as we don't like it, we can't get around the fact that God makes the rules. To argue otherwise is pointless. I know it is an unsatisfactory answer, but God doesn't answer to us, we answer to him.

[kgreen20]

I don't think it's that God arbitrarily punishes the children and grandchildren for the children's fathers. I think that, rather, a vicious cycle goes into effect in which the descendants end up repeating the father's sins (and thus, sharing his punishment). An example would be child abuse. So often, children who are abused grow up to be abusers of their own children, who in turn abuse their own kids. And there are other examples of sins that get passed from generation to generation. Needless to say, so do the consequences of those sins!

All it takes is one descendant who turns to God and is able to break the cycle to bring the cycle of punishment to an end.

[ManhattanGuy]

I appreciate your responses. Sometimes I happen across a passage that seems very out of character for my understanding of God and it shakes me.

But then I shouldn't be relying on my own understanding I suppose.