Jesus Walked the Americas

[alabama35565]

i wasn't real sure about where to put this, but this was sent to me about 2 yrs. ago, i had forgotten about it, until i found the web address i had written down in a notebook.

Jesus Walked the Americas

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/jesusamerica.txt

[Larry B]

i wasn't real sure about where to put this, but this was sent to me about 2 yrs. ago, i had forgotten about it, until i found the web address i had written down in a notebook.

Jesus Walked the Americas

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/jesusamerica.txt
:wave Dear heart, THIS APPEARS to be a teaching from LDS, MORMONS!!!! :faint

[Gordon b]

The author is not LDS but the book is popular reading amoung mormons. :tin
I think it belongs in the trash because the Bible gives no hint of it.

[PreTribber]

Right. The Bible gives us an account of the journeys Jesus took. Nowhere is it mentioned that Jesus journeyed to America. Therefore it should be discounted and seen as unBiblical.

[micromuon]

Right. The Bible gives us an account of the journeys Jesus took. Nowhere is it mentioned that Jesus journeyed to America. Therefore it should be discounted and seen as unBiblical.

Let's be careful not to walk on illogical ground. The bible doesn't mention that he visited there (thus making unbiblical). However, just because the writers of the books in the bible didn't mention it, doesn't mean it didn't happen (just trying to keep an open mind). If Jesus wanted to visit them, more power to him.

A lot of good Christians speculate that Jesus was married. Does the Bible say it? No. Does it mean it didn't happen? No. It just means that that particular message was not important to include because it would not have made a difference on his message. Jesus is the savior and redeemer. If he wants to do something, he does it. If people want to speculate, let them have their ideas and expound on them. That's how knowledge increases. God never sent anyone to Hell for asking too many questions.

[4everHis]

Why oh why oh why does anyone even for a moment pay any attention to this stuff.

I mean come on people.
Read the Bible and also use your common sense.

Maybe a UFO carried him to the americas.....ya think?

[StinkerBell]

Let's be careful not to walk on illogical ground. The bible doesn't mention that he visited there (thus making unbiblical). However, just because the writers of the books in the bible didn't mention it, doesn't mean it didn't happen (just trying to keep an open mind). If Jesus wanted to visit them, more power to him.

A lot of good Christians speculate that Jesus was married. Does the Bible say it? No. Does it mean it didn't happen? No. It just means that that particular message was not important to include because it would not have made a difference on his message. Jesus is the savior and redeemer. If he wants to do something, he does it. If people want to speculate, let them have their ideas and expound on them. That's how knowledge increases. God never sent anyone to Hell for asking too many questions.

I have never speculated that Jesus was married, nor have I even heard this suggestion.

I am stunned by your statement and I am having some issue to express my position here. Except to say when we add or subtract from the bible we will get ourself into trouble.

[tay]

I have never speculated that Jesus was married, nor have I even heard this suggestion.

I am stunned by your statement and I am having some issue to express my position here. Except to say when we add or subtract from the bible we will get ourself into trouble.

:thumb

Don't use a lack of evidence contradicting something as evidence for something. This is what people who speculate Jesus was married do. It is illogical.

[newname]

it's almost not enough to ask someone if they believe in Jesus anymore...you have to ask which Jesus they believe in. There are many out there, like a Jesus who would be married. What a warped thought. Completely outside of christianity and the real Jesus Christ Son of God.

[roadrunner570]

Let's be careful not to walk on illogical ground. The bible doesn't mention that he visited there (thus making unbiblical). However, just because the writers of the books in the bible didn't mention it, doesn't mean it didn't happen (just trying to keep an open mind). If Jesus wanted to visit them, more power to him.

A lot of good Christians speculate that Jesus was married. Does the Bible say it? No. Does it mean it didn't happen? No. It just means that that particular message was not important to include because it would not have made a difference on his message. Jesus is the savior and redeemer. If he wants to do something, he does it. If people want to speculate, let them have their ideas and expound on them. That's how knowledge increases. God never sent anyone to Hell for asking too many questions.

Actually, this is a very dangerous way of thinking. With this logic, we could say that Jesus was visited by aliens and beamed aboard their mother ship and gave birth to a reptilian alien baby, because the Bible never says this DIDN'T happen.

[Patty T]

I must confess I have not personally met any good Christian who has speculated about Jesus being married - and I've met a quite a few.

[LDinthewoods]

Actually, this is a very dangerous way of thinking. With this logic, we could say that Jesus was visited by aliens and beamed aboard their mother ship and gave birth to a reptilian alien baby, because the Bible never says this DIDN'T happen. :pound



Not to derail this thread, but I have always wondered how the civilizations in North & South America would have ever known about GOD in the very early days?

[PreTribber]

Let's be careful not to walk on illogical ground. The bible doesn't mention that he visited there (thus making unbiblical). However, just because the writers of the books in the bible didn't mention it, doesn't mean it didn't happen (just trying to keep an open mind). If Jesus wanted to visit them, more power to him.

A lot of good Christians speculate that Jesus was married. Does the Bible say it? No. Does it mean it didn't happen? No. It just means that that particular message was not important to include because it would not have made a difference on his message. Jesus is the savior and redeemer. If he wants to do something, he does it. If people want to speculate, let them have their ideas and expound on them. That's how knowledge increases. God never sent anyone to Hell for asking too many questions.
Speculation is just that. We all speculate as to what certain verses may mean, but to speculate as to whether something happened that isn't in the Bible, and then to spend the time expounding on it, results nothing as far as our growing in the Lord and knowledge of His Word goes.

That Jesus walked America goes against Scripture.

Acts 3:19-21

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

If the above means that heaven must receive Jesus until the restitution of all things, and depending upon your interpretation of when that time is, whether at the rapture, when some believe the times of restitution of all things begins, or after the Trib, there is nothing to say that He left heaven to visit America.

[70thWeek]

Why would Jesus need to walk the America's? What's next, Australia? This is just an ethocentric idea.

[ipjones6000]

God never sent anyone to Hell for asking too many questions.

Yes, but God has sent people to Hell for blasphemying his name and making up damnable lies. Just because it is in the Bible doesn't mean it's okay either. The Apocryphal books were excluded because of doctrine that didn't line up with the rest of the Bible. Does that mean just because there is a reference to a missing book that we should automatically include it, even if it contradicts the rest of the Bible?

Also, has anyone here ever looked at the DNA evidence against the Book of Mormon claims? The indigenous people of the Americas are Asian decendants, not Hebrews.

But moving on, what proof do we have that Jesus was in America? Nothing in the Bible, no physical evidence, no historical records, no logical clues anywhere in the Bible or in the Old World historical records, and certainly no stories about a Jesus-like figure in the Americas.

Just because it is or isn't mentioned in the Bible doesn't prove or disprove a point. In court the persons guilt must be proved. We don't say, "well he might be guilty, but since we have no evidence to prove it either way, let's just say he is guilty." We have to take the wild idea that some one is guilty (or Jesus walked in America) and prove that it is true, not just assume it is because there is nothing to the contrary.

[Grace]

Why would Jesus need to walk the America's? What's next, Australia? This is just an ethocentric idea.


:nod :nod :nod :nod

[Ladybug]

Why oh why oh why does anyone even for a moment pay any attention to this stuff.

I mean come on people.
Read the Bible and also use your common sense.

Maybe a UFO carried him to the americas.....ya think?

Well, if the Spirit of the Lord could catch away Philip from the Ethiopian and move him to Azotus, I guess God could move Jesus from Israel to the Americas.

[70thWeek]

Well, if the Spirit of the Lord could catch away Philip from the Ethiopian and move him to Azotus, I guess God could move Jesus from Israel to the Americas.

The ability is not my concern, the inherent egocentricism (is that a word?) and racism that thinks that He had to come here to talk to us because America is more special, is my concern.

[toddlemom]

About Jesus being married -- why would the kindest man on earth, knowing he was going to be condemned for blasphemy and die a criminal's death -- put a wife through that? He'd have to be terribly selfish to do so. Just seems so out of character for him.

As for coming to America, I agree, what he did in Judea was enough. After all, didn't he say on the cross, "it is finished ..."? And who was given the great commission? I think it was us. I think WE are the ones supposed to go out into the whole earth and spread the Gospel.

My 2 cents worth ... YMMV

YSIC
Ann

[AndyPLS]

The ability is not my concern, the inherent egocentricism (is that a word?) and racism that thinks that He had to come here to talk to us because America is more special, is my concern.

While I don't say that the theory is true, I fail to see it as ethno-centric or racist. The writer is saying that this happened to peoples of a different race and living hundreds of years before anything like the current American culture ever existed. How is it racist to suggest that Jesus might have visited the indigenous peoples that lived here hundreds if not thousands of years before us?

[70thWeek]

While I don't say that the theory is true, I fail to see it as ethno-centric or racist. The writer is saying that this happened to peoples of a different race and living hundreds of years before anything like the current American culture ever existed. How is it racist to suggest that Jesus might have visited the indigenous peoples that lived here hundreds if not thousands of years before us?

At least in terms of Mormons, some of it is racially motivated, with America becoming the new land of Israel. I suspect that a similar thing is at play here.

[AndyPLS]

At least in terms of Mormons, some of it is racially motivated, with America becoming the new land of Israel. I suspect that a similar thing is at play here.

Perhaps if the author were a mormon which someone here has indicated that s/he wasn't (or isn't). Other than that, I just don't see it. But thanks for clarifying.

[Harley]

Actually, this is a very dangerous way of thinking. With this logic, we could say that Jesus was visited by aliens and beamed aboard their mother ship and gave birth to a reptilian alien baby, because the Bible never says this DIDN'T happen.
...and therefore it's possible - though highly improbable.

As for visiting America, Jesus said; I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. Those in the Americas were the other sheep... America was the other pen.

[roadrunner570]

...and therefore it's possible - though highly improbable.

As for visiting America, Jesus said; I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. Those in the Americas were the other sheep... America was the other pen.

That seems to be quite a leap in logic. How do you know it wasn't Africa..Australia, Northern Europe? Russia?

The study notes in my Bible say this:

John 10:16--other sheep. These already belonged to Christ, though they had not yet been brought to him. not of this sheep pen. Those outside Judaism. Here is a glimpse of the future worldwide scope of the church. one flock. All God’s people have the same Shepherd

Jesus lived among the Jews, so I think its save to say that his other sheep are anyone outside of Israel.

As far as how would people in America know about Jesus?

Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

[Harley]

That seems to be quite a leap in logic. How do you know it wasn't Africa..Australia, Northern Europe? Russia?

The study notes in my Bible say this:



Jesus lived among the Jews, so I think its save to say that his other sheep are anyone outside of Israel.

As far as how would people in America know about Jesus?
I agree, I posted the position, but I don't hold it. I'd probably go with the other sheep being Gentiles.

[Ladybug]

The ability is not my concern, the inherent egocentricism (is that a word?) and racism that thinks that He had to come here to talk to us because America is more special, is my concern.


That's why I quoted 4everhis and not you. :D:

[eaglex]

I agreed ,this reprt should be put thouhg the shredder.

[micromuon]

Well, before it goes too far into the shredder, let me just finish...


Originally posted by newname
...like a Jesus who would be married. What a warped thought. Completely outside of christianity and the real Jesus Christ Son of God.

Completely outside of Christianity?! So, something can't possibly be true if it's not in the Bible?! That's absurd! How many things do we know about that are not in the Bible?

Originally posted by PreTribber
Speculation is just that. We all speculate as to what certain verses may mean, but to speculate as to whether something happened that isn't in the Bible, and then to spend the time expounding on it, results nothing as far as our growing in the Lord and knowledge of His Word goes.

That Jesus walked America goes against Scripture.

Acts 3:19-21

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

If the above means that heaven must receive Jesus until the restitution of all things, and depending upon your interpretation of when that time is, whether at the rapture, when some believe the times of restitution of all things begins, or after the Trib, there is nothing to say that He left heaven to visit America.


An excellent post and I will certainly address it.
That scripture speaks of Jesus ascending into heaven. That's true, he has not returned since ascending. But what about the other sheep in his fold? All mankind can't be saved if all mankind has not received his gospel, correct?

And what about 1 Peter 4:6? "For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit". Surely if he felt it was important to preach to the dead, and bring them his gospel, it would make sense to make sure to send his gospel to the other people in the world.

Originally posted by ipjones6000
Yes, but God has sent people to Hell for blasphemying his name and making up damnable lies. Just because it is in the Bible doesn't mean it's okay either. The Apocryphal books were excluded because of doctrine that didn't line up with the rest of the Bible. Does that mean just because there is a reference to a missing book that we should automatically include it, even if it contradicts the rest of the Bible?


No, but it does make an interesting argument for which book would be considered the contradictory resource. Just a thought.

Originally posted by 70thWeek
The ability is not my concern, the inherent egocentricism (is that a word?) and racism that thinks that He had to come here to talk to us because America is more special, is my concern.

Cute, but no. Nobody said America is more special. Why not Australia? What about China? There were people all over the world at that time. He could have visited them too.

I'm not trying to say that the Bible is wrong. Please don't get that idea. What I'm trying to avoid is the trap of assuming that everything that is not in the Bbile is automatically wrong. God gave us brains to think for ourselves. Reason, logic, common sense...all of them were given for a reason.

With God, everything is possible. If he wanted to visit others, I'm sure he could. I find it more ignorant and blasphemous to say he didn't do it just because it isn't necessarily presented in the Bible. Let's not place limits on God's power when we know there are no limits. Does it change his message IN ANY WAY if he did walk the Americas or any other land for that matter? The answer to that question is NO.

Thanks for the great discussion.

[cathy1953]

Romans1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.



I've always thought that the above reference reveals that God did manifest himself to people all over the world, even without knowing about Jesus.

I heard about a report once about some people who lived in a very far out place, in the Amazon or some such place. These people had never heard the gospel preached, but they had somehow come to believe in Almighty God and had come up with a way of living that had essentially correct doctrines.
I don't remember where I heard this, but I did not dream it.

[LDinthewoods]

How many things do we know about that are not in the Bible? You know...not much. I used to think there was plenty in the real world that was not covered in the Bible....but the more I read the Bible, the more I realize it pretty much covers everything. :nod


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PS - And for the record, America is more special...even though I know JESUS never came here. We need to not be afraid of acknowledging our own worth.


:heh Flame away!

[Chronus]

About Jesus being married -- why would the kindest man on earth, knowing he was going to be condemned for blasphemy and die a criminal's death -- put a wife through that? He'd have to be terribly selfish to do so. Just seems so out of character for him.
Hmmm . . . and yet he put His own mother through that . . . not to mention those who loved him.

:B: :heh :D:

On a more serious note, and as a gentle, humble reminder . . . God is not necessarily looking out for our comfort. :):

[cathy1953]

Jesus wasn't married because He had a bigger agenda on His mind.
If He'd been married He'd have had to devote much time to His wife, taking care of things that would have take His mind off of His true purpose for being on this earth.


Remember................"When He was on the cross I was on His mind."
I believe I was on His mind from the day He was born, not just while He was ON the cross. He knew what He had to do, and He did it.
I am so grateful and humbled.
What He did for me......no one else would ever do.

[Ladybug]

How is America more special? :confused I know we like to think that, but...

[toddlemom]

Hmmm . . . and yet he put His own mother through that . . . not to mention those who loved him.

Mary *could* have opted out if she wanted to, before he was born. A wife couldn't talk him out of it.

YSIC
Ann