Faithful Sayings....

[Benja32one]

As we know from 2 Thessalonians 2.2, there were spurious letters addressed in Paul's name to various churches. I found this intriguing. Are there any other
repeated sayings like 'maranatha'?

When reading the greek text one day, I noticed this formula:
1 Tim. 1.15....
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ
Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

In studying the Pastoral Epistles I found:

1 Timothy 3:1.....
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a
bishop, he desireth a good work.

1 Tim. 4.9-10......
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we
trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of
those that believe.

2 Tim. 2.11-13......
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live
with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also
will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Titus 3.8.....
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm
constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to
maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Looking at the greek expression 'pistos ho logos' seemed to be like an early hymn or motto to me....Any others who have studied these and have an idea
about them, I'd like to hear it. (I think my idea comes from J.C Ryle or Bishop
Moule, if I remember rightly.)
:nod

[Larry B]

As we know from 2 Thessalonians 2.2, there were spurious letters addressed in Paul's name to various churches. I found this intriguing. Are there any other
repeated sayings like 'maranatha'?

When reading the greek text one day, I noticed this formula:
1 Tim. 1.15....
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ
Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

In studying the Pastoral Epistles I found:

1 Timothy 3:1.....
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a
bishop, he desireth a good work.

1 Tim. 4.9-10......
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we
trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of
those that believe.

2 Tim. 2.11-13......
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live
with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also
will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Titus 3.8.....
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm
constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to
maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Looking at the greek expression 'pistos ho logos' seemed to be like an early hymn or motto to me....Any others who have studied these and have an idea
about them, I'd like to hear it. (I think my idea comes from J.C Ryle or Bishop
Moule, if I remember rightly.)
:nod
:wave This is absolutely WONDERFUL, and is something I really ENJOY, Ben!!:thumb Maybe it has something to do with the exhortations of Paul, "Speaking to yourselves in psalms aand hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord". Ephesians 5:19, and, "Let the word of Christ dwell richly in wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." Col. 3:16 !! :clap

[antsinmypants]

From my understanding, when someone says "This is a true saying", "this is a faithful saying", "Verily..." and then goes into further discourse; they are drawing from scripture that preceeds them, which they are trying to bring to mind with their admonition or lecture.

[Benja32one]

From my understanding, when someone says "This is a true saying", "this is a faithful saying", "Verily..." and then goes into further discourse; they are drawing from scripture that preceeds them, which they are trying to bring to mind with their admonition or lecture.
:wave
Yes, that was the impression I got when comparing these foundational truths in these 'sayings'. I think they were a way of referring what was circulating and accepted as God-breathed in the 1st century. I think I read that in Ryle or Moule.
:nod

[Hootmon]

From my understanding, when someone says "This is a true saying", "this is a faithful saying", "Verily..." and then goes into further discourse; they are drawing from scripture that preceeds them, which they are trying to bring to mind with their admonition or lecture.THat makes sense.

Its a bit of a 'two witness' rule. Like saying 'Truely, Truely'. It leaves no doubt that the sayer believes the saying to be truth.

[70thWeek]

I'm just working off the top of my head here, but it probably reveals a bit about Paul's form of rhetoric. It may have been a common expression of the day as well.

For an early hymn, look at the Christ hymn in Colossians, which could possibly be one of the earliest Christian creeds/hymns that we have.

[antsinmypants]

I'm just working off the top of my head here, but it probably reveals a bit about Paul's form of rhetoric. It may have been a common expression of the day as well.

Well, from what I'm finding in the NT, things Y'shua said, things John the Immerser said, and the apostles and Paul said, these are "soundbite" Teachings, so that you hear it, and are called to mention in your mind, the entire passage mentioned in part... so that you learn the whole spirit of the item being taught.

[ChopinFan]

Yep, the scriptures are full of these little nuggets- BTW I preached a sermon on "the faithful sayings of Paul" one time- I had a lot of fun researching that one.

Take a look in Romans 15 and you will see

The God of patience and consolation (verse 5)

The God of hope (verse 13)

The God of peace (verse 33)

Or take a look at the slogans of the Corinthian Church (and how Paul responded to each one)

"all things are lawful "
"meats for the belly and the belly for meats"
"I am of Cephas" "I am of Paul"
etc. etc.

Happy Hunting