Sunset

[Joshua's Gen]

I've been reading Christ resurrected at sunset.
Others, a couple hours (4 p.m.) prior to.

Is there anyone here, anyway we can know for certain which direction it is?
Odd question, but thanks in advance.

[Rebecki]

I've been reading Christ resurrected at sunset.
Others, a couple hours (4 p.m.) prior to.

Is there anyone here, anyway we can know for certain which direction it is?
Odd question, but thanks in advance.

Huh??? :confused

Care to repost, in english? :D:

[Joshua's Gen]

I would like to know when Christ resurrected.

I've been reading He did so at sunset.

Others say, he rose around 4 p.m. thereabouts, a couple hours before sunset.

Is there any way we can know which one it is with some assurance?



I was raised thinking he rose at sunrise for some reason, so this was like 'wow, cool' when I first heard it.

[hannahrachel]

I don't see what Matthew 26 Has to do with wisdom and a reference to the female pronoun used in proverbs. If you are offended in some way, I am extremely sorry, but sometimes you just get a feeling that has been with you a long time and need to hear other peoples thoughts. Sincerely, Hannah

[hannahrachel]

I don't see what Matthew 26 Has to do with wisdom and a reference to the female pronoun used in proverbs. If you are offended in some way, I am extremely sorry, but sometimes you just get a feeling that has been with you a long time and need to hear other peoples thoughts. Once again I had no intentions of offending anyone. Sincerely, Hannah

[Joshua's Gen]

I don't see what Matthew 26 Has to do with wisdom and a reference to the female pronoun used in proverbs. If you are offended in some way, I am extremely sorry, but sometimes you just get a feeling that has been with you a long time and need to hear other peoples thoughts. Sincerely, Hannah

I think you've posted in the wrong thread hon.

[LDinthewoods]

Well, the Marys went to the grave at dawn. And there was a quake when the angle appeared & the stone was rolled away....but obviously, Jesus was gone before then??

[Joshua's Gen]

no one knows...

:freaked

[RobinB]

:gossip psst. . . I think it's part of the mystery.

[LDinthewoods]

no one knows...

:freaked


Well, if he rose in the evening...it would have to have been the evening before the first day of the week right? (Which would have been the sabbath, right?) And since the sabbath was Saturday (not Sunday) and He died on Friday, but he was supposedly in the grave for 3 days....

...no, I really don't know....:tsk


I tried though!

[Joshua's Gen]

He didn't die on a Friday. :tape

[antsinmypants]

I've been reading Christ resurrected at sunset.
Others, a couple hours (4 p.m.) prior to.

Well, i'm getting more and more info together, but I am still uncertain at this time :noidea

I do know of course He was offered at the time of the evening sacrifice on passover, which was a Tuesday that year, from what can be gathered in scripture. There are 3 sabbaths in a passover week typically. Unleavened bread is #1- when one breaks bread. #2, after the Passover Lamb is slain, #3- Weekly Sabbath.

And, we know that when the Greek speaks of more than one sabbath in a week, or one back to back, it's called "Sabbaton".. "Sabbaths" in English.


So, we do see Y'shua actually keeping Passover, not at the time generally accepted by others, but on the first night of unleavened bread, because he was to be the actual passover lamb.

Moving right along.. the 888th letter in Torah, when counted, is the second vav in Genesis 1:19, preceeding the name "Eheyeh".

See here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/antsy/888-Vav.jpg

This "V'Eheyeh" is found right before the word "Boker"- and is even hyphenated to it. I can't remember what the Hyphenation is supposed to indicate other than it belongs with the creative article or the action being taken.. but there is more.

So- The Vav (Created) is added to "Eheyeh" (I AM what I AM / I AM what I AM becoming) which is hyphenated with the word "Day/Morning".

If this is relative to the resurrection I would say it was before the morning, and after the evening. Because Days are counted by Evening/Morning.. as evidenced by the creation in Genesis 1-3. "And there was Evening and Morning The First day... The Second Day... The Third Day... The Fourth Day... The Fifth Day... The Sixth Day.."

In thus saying, I would say the resurrection was after the evening, and before the Day, somewhere interim...

Evening is counted from 4pm, which is when the evening sacrifice is. We know Y'shua was offered then, and dead not long after, and buried not too much long after that, because He had to be buried before sundown, or the entire land would be defiled for Passover, which was not to happen at all-- according to scripture.

Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which YHVH thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

Anyway...

That being said, we are told the women came EARLY in the morning.

We know a Shabbat is counted from "Erev Shabbat" the evening of the sabbath, when it begins after the sun has set and three stars are seen, unless it's the summer months when the sun will refuse to set for many hours, and we stick to about 6:30/7pm in each timezone (this may seem inessential, but I am getting to a point actually! :D:)...

The morning is counted from sun-up... So we're the two Mary's were there before the rising of the sun:


Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath [sabbaton], as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week [Sunday], came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Then we're told the other women arrived as the sun was rising:

Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week [sunday], they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.



Then I looked and found this passage:

Mar 16:9 Now when [Y'shua] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

the word "Very early" is Proi {Pro-ee} which means: from 3 o'clock in the morning until 6 o'clock (the fourth watch of the night)

Therefore, He had already risen somewhere between 3am and before the sun rose (around 4:30/5am) -- as we are told:

Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

The same word "very early" -- Proi is used.

And the more we read of the passage, we find when they arrived there "very early in the morning" on the first day, that He was already gone, the stone rolled away and two angels waiting to give a message to the women.


Now again, the passage in Genesis 1:19 reads thus:

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


What hits me is 888 (the Vav) in day 4-- which is clearly messianic-- because it is said of the Sages that Messiah is to come in "the fourth day which corresponds to the four thousandth year"



Btw if one was wondering what the Targumim have to say about "Eheyeh", here it is:


Exodus 3:
The God of your fathers hath sent me to you, and they say to me, What is His name? what shall I say to them? And the Lord said unto Mosheh, EHEYEH ASHER EHEYEH. And he said, Thus shalt thou speak to the sons of Israel, EHEYEH hath sent me unto you.


I might have more later.

[antsinmypants]

And since the sabbath was Saturday (not Sunday) and He died on Friday, but he was supposedly in the grave for 3 days....


That year's Passover Sabbath wasn't on Shabbat as in Erev Shabbat (Friday night) :thumb

[LDinthewoods]

He didn't die on a Friday. :tape Oh, I suppose next you are going to tell me that there is no Easter Bunny that poops chocolate eggs??? :rolleyes

[LDinthewoods]

That year's Passover Sabbath wasn't on Shabbat as in Erev Shabbat (Friday night) :thumb

Okay...see, I didn't even know that the Sabbath & Shabbat were not the same thing. :doh

Anyway - I will bow out now & allow for a serious discussion to take place!

[blitzkreig]

I might have more later.A very interesting study ants. And very nicely laid out as well.

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[antsinmypants]

A very interesting study ants. And very nicely laid out as well.

.

Thank you... I think.. :lol

[Blessed4ever]

So Jesus did not die on Friday?

What does "Good Friday" mean?

[antsinmypants]

No, He didn't die on a Friday-

Unfortunately, it comes from a great misunderstanding of the scripture, and the RCC causing a new holiday.... to put it very simply

[antsinmypants]

Okay...see, I didn't even know that the Sabbath & Shabbat were not the same thing. :doh

Anyway - I will bow out now & allow for a serious discussion to take place!

Shabbat = Sabbath in english, but not every Shabbat (Sabbath) Is on Friday night- Saturday night.

The High Holy Days are of themselves a Sabbath... and each of these special days are detailed in the Tanakh, which were kept in addition to the weekly Shabbat.

Hope that helps some

[LDinthewoods]

Shabbat = Sabbath in english, but not every Shabbat (Sabbath) Is on Friday night- Saturday night.

The High Holy Days are of themselves a Sabbath... and each of these special days are detailed in the Tanakh, which were kept in addition to the weekly Shabbat.

Hope that helps some Yes, it helps to know that I am not completely crazy! :lol

I always watch the web cams at the Western Wall & every Friday night to Sunday morning, they turn off for "Shabbat"....which is why I thought it was the Sabbath. But it makes more sense if there are more Sabbaths than just the 7th day of each week.

Anyway....that's a lot for my pea-brain to soak in. :D:

[Blessed4ever]

No, He didn't die on a Friday-

Unfortunately, it comes from a great misunderstanding of the scripture, and the RCC causing a new holiday.... to put it very simply


Okay I'm feeling really dumb, and as I read over the previous posts, I don't understand :redface ..........So what day did Jesus die?

[Blessed4ever]

P.S.

Hi ya LDinthewoods :wave :wave :wave

[antsinmypants]

Okay I'm feeling really dumb, and as I read over the previous posts, I don't understand :redface ..........So what day did Jesus die?


On Passover, the day the lamb is slain, the 14th of Nisan. Each year, dependent on the moon phases and the Barley Harvest-- depends on what day it falls each year.

Many of us remember it only on the 14th of Nisan.
If we had to put a day on it, it would be: Tuesday/Wednesday. -- which has him in the grave until the end of the weekly Sabbath, after the two sabbaths of Passover. :):

[Blessed4ever]

On Passover, the day the lamb is slain, the 14th of Nisan. Each year, dependent on the moon phases and the Barley Harvest-- depends on what day it falls each year.

Many of us remember it only on the 14th of Nisan.
If we had to put a day on it, it would be: Tuesday/Wednesday. -- which has him in the grave until the end of the weekly Sabbath, after the two sabbaths of Passover. :):


Okay, thanks! :):

[architectlink]

I was raised thinking he rose at sunrise for some reason, so this was like 'wow, cool' when I first heard it.

I'm reading your question and thinking, wow, that is cool.

"sunrise" =SON RISE

JUST Last week I also asked my hubby if he thought that possibly the brightness of the sun was actually the brightness of Jesus Christ, and what IF we are actually seeing HIS light shine on us every single day...WHAT IF THE SON IS ACTUALLY THE SUN, AND HIS BRIGHTNESS IS ALWAYS AROUND US.

Wouldn't that be cool when we SEE HIM in the clouds, and realize it was HE that rose EVERY single morning FOR US? Anyone else ever wonder the same things?

[Joshua's Gen]

i meant 'wow, cool' when I first heard Jesus rose around sunset....


but yeah :nod

i was raised thinking the opposite.