PDA

View Full Version : Persecution


roadrunner570
June 20th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Persecution

by

Tim M.

When talking about the end times or other things, I’ve often heard people tell me things like “God would never let his children suffer.” Or “The Bible says we’re not subject to wrath.”

But does it? The verse often used to point out this position is:

1Th 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

Okay, but whose wrath? Well, lets look at Romans:

Ro 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath , when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

God’s wrath. Okay, I can buy that. God would not subject his children to his wrath.

What does this have to do with persecution you ask? Well, lets take a look at Hebrews:

Heb 13:3 Remember those in prison as if you were their fellow prisoners, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.

Fellow prisoners? You might ask yourself “Why would they be a fellow prisoner? I haven’t broken any laws.” This might be true. But what prisoners is the Bible referring to? Is it thieves, murderers? Well, there’s more in Hebrews about this:

Heb 10:32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering.
Heb 10:33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated.
Heb 10:34 You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.

So that’s it! Other believers are the prisoners they’re referring to. During this time of the early church, Christians came under heavy persecution. As a result, many were thrown in prison.

Now you might say “Yeah, but that doesn’t happen today does it? We live in a free country!”

True, but there are many places in the world who are not so free. According to the Voice of Martyrs prayer site at www.basicfellowship.com here are people currently being held prisoner around the world solely for their Christian faith:

China: 20
Egypt: 2
Eritrea: 2
Iran: 1
Laos: 1
Pakistan: 5
Vietnam: 12

Keep in mind, these are only the prisoners whose addresses are known, or that anyone even knows of. Christianity is illegal in at least 30 countries, and of countries were it is legal, there are at least 8 additional countries where Christians are persecuted even though its legal. In many of these countries, Christians tend to just disappear or turn up dead somewhere. In many Muslim countries, its considered blasphemy to convert to Christianity and is punishable by death. And yes, this is all happening in the world TODAY.

So why does this happen? Why doesn’t God protect his people? Well, lets look back to scripture:

Mt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me

Jn 15:20 Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

These things happen, because Jesus said they’d happen. Most of the apostles were even martyred.

Phillip: Stoned to death, Phyrgia in AD 54
Peter: Crucified, Rome AD 69
Paul: Beheaded, Rome AD 69
Andrew: Crucified, Achaia, AD 70
Matthew: Beheaded, Ethiopia, AD 70
Thomas: Speared to death, Calamino AD 70
James: Clubbed to death, Jerusalem, AD 63
John: Abandoned, Isle of Patmos AD 63

These were men hand picked by Jesus to be his apostles. They gave their lives to preach the word of God.

For many of us, this whole subject makes us uncomfortable. Sure, we love the Lord, and go to church, but we don’t want to get beaten up or killed for it do we? These men did, and people today around the world still do. Some of you might say “I just don’t like to think about it. If I pray for them, I’ll have to think about it and get worried.”

Well, this is true. Paul had a thought on this:

1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

If our brothers and sisters in Christ are in prison and suffering, then we all are suffering with them. Just like Hebrews 13:3 told us, remember them as if we were one of them. This was not a request or an option, but a mandate. It did not say “Remember them if your comfortable with it” or “If you get time, try to remember them.” It said Remember. Throughout history, many suffered and died for their faith in Jesus Christ so that we today can read the Bible in our own language, and worship as we please. The least we can do is to remember those who are in prison today.

roadrunner570
June 20th, 2005, 12:23 PM
:bump

Dilferthecat
June 20th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Roadrunner, thanks for posting this. We in the West need to be reminded of our brothers and sisters who live in chains and who worship at the risk of their life. :cry Everyone can get more information and sign up for weekly updates at www.persecution.com. Sometimes when I don't feel like fulfilling certain of my ministry obligations, I remember some of the folks around the world who have been tortured for their faith, and that helps me get up and go. I pray that if I ever find myself facing persecution, I would be able to be like some people I read about. God bless you! :wave

roadrunner570
June 20th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Roadrunner, thanks for posting this. We in the West need to be reminded of our brothers and sisters who live in chains and who worship at the risk of their life. :cry Everyone can get more information and sign up for weekly updates at www.persecution.com. Sometimes when I don't feel like fulfilling certain of my ministry obligations, I remember some of the folks around the world who have been tortured for their faith, and that helps me get up and go. I pray that if I ever find myself facing persecution, I would be able to be like some people I read about. God bless you! :wave


I agree, and persecution.com is the mother site to basicfellowship.com, they're both run by VOM, which is a great organization. I'm going to try to put together a mailing ministry for the prisoners listed on their site.

Eklektos
June 20th, 2005, 03:29 PM
I'm going to try to put together a mailing ministry for the prisoners listed on their site.

This sounds like a cool idea; I'd love to be involved!

But, considering why they are in prison, would they be allowed to get encouraging letters from Christians? Would receiving such letters endanger them further (ie: torture and such)? :cry

Dilferthecat
June 20th, 2005, 04:42 PM
I agree, and persecution.com is the mother site to basicfellowship.com, they're both run by VOM, which is a great organization. I'm going to try to put together a mailing ministry for the prisoners listed on their site.
Great idea, roadrunner. Keep us updated about the details. I'd like to be involved, too. Eklektos has a good question, though. Let us know what you find.

roadrunner570
June 20th, 2005, 07:06 PM
This sounds like a cool idea; I'd love to be involved!

But, considering why they are in prison, would they be allowed to get encouraging letters from Christians? Would receiving such letters endanger them further (ie: torture and such)? :cry

Well, here's the thing...POSTCARDS...once I find some nice, Christian postcards, I'll use them and write scripture or whatever. Thing is, VOM can't or doesn't gaurantee the addresses are current or that they'll reach them. But those cards will go through many hands on the way there. IF they aren't allowed to get them, the censors, gaurds or whoever will still see the gospel message even if they don't make it to the prisoners.

VOM says NOT to put your return address on them though in case they do fall into the wrong hands.

roadrunner570
June 22nd, 2005, 07:46 PM
:bump

roadrunner570
June 27th, 2005, 07:08 PM
:bump

andy
June 28th, 2005, 08:00 AM
Indeed you are correct, christians will not escape persecution. As to the amount and severity of the persecution, that is up to God and His will, plan, and purpose for each of His children.

Some brothers and sisters will endure extreme persecution, some will not. They will receive a martyrs crown and great will be their reward. Some will lead a "normal", if there is such a thing, and not endure persecution.

The point is, to live your life totally dedicated to our Lord and Savior regardless of the consequences. After all, we belong to Him and our life is not our own. God only holds us responsible for the "things" He has given us. We each receive a certain measure of time, talent, opportunities, etc. while on this earth. We are accountable for the life He has given us.

I do also agree that God has not appointed His children to HIS wrath. Btw, excellent thread.

LDinthewoods
July 11th, 2005, 03:27 AM
:bump

Bumping this thread so that I can come back to it later (because I was actually looking for a different old thread of yours Roadrunner.)

What I was thinking would be a good thing to add to this lesson is all the verses that reference the rewards and blessings that come from being persecuted?? (Because that is what helps me not be so afraid of it happening to me.)

Sana
July 11th, 2005, 02:10 PM
It makes me so angry that someone can be falsely accused, arrested, tortured and mistreated, simply because he was wearing a cross necklace in Pakistan.

We're all members of an evil cult, according to China!

I love reading about Christian prisoners, and I admire them so much, but at the same time, the stories make my blood boil!

Can someone answer me a question? Is there a time to shake the dust off our feet and move on to another location? This is confusing me. I have been getting angry with missionaries who stay in hostile regions. I hate to see them being mistreated, even though suffering for God is a gift. According to the bible, are they supposed to flee the area if their message is not received well, or am I taking the bible out of context?

Since this is a vent, another thing that makes me angry is the major lack of understanding of unsaved people toward Christian missionaries. This world is so dark. We're disgusting, because we're trying to "change the cultures" of other countries, and make everyone clones of ourselves. We have no "respect" for people of other faiths, and some think all we're doing is teaching them to "better" themselves. I think not!

Ask new Christians in these counries how they feel about the missionaries! They're not full of hate and resentment. They're glad!