View Full Version : Did Adam & Eve have DNA?
cenimo
May 13th, 2005, 07:37 PM
And if so, where did it come from?
Just something to think about.
dman
May 13th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
God gave them Coats of Skins ( Flesh )to cover there nakedness . Where is it you would say it came from ???
Man is a spirit With a soul liveing on Earth in A body Skin of Flesh Because of the shame of his self servering rightiousness and sin.
See People see The rags we wear as clothes But That is Just a cover for The CLothing of Skins that God gave us we cover our Flesh That Lusts after the Spirit witin it ..
Our Eyes or our minds eye our carnal Soul (Intelect) perversion of thought, Lusts after The Skin of others so we Cover this shame too..
BigDave
May 13th, 2005, 08:09 PM
To answer the first question, yes, they must have had DNA. Your DNA does more than just tell what color your eyes are - it tells your body what in the world it's supposed to be doing. Without DNA, they wouldn't be human ...
I would assume that God created their DNA. He created their blood, skin, eyes, digestive tract, fingernails, liver, and everything else. I would assume that He created their DNA as well.
As for the thing about clothing them in skin ... I don't think that this means that God clothed them in their own skin and that they had no skin before that ... I think it means that God gave them fur coats. This will probably tick off the PETA people ... but the first clothing anyone wore was a fur coat ... they had their own skin, hair, fingernails, and everything else before that ... or at least this is how I read the scripture ...
dman
May 13th, 2005, 08:45 PM
I don't believe God gave adam and his wife skins That he had given another living thing to wear God Don't take back the things he gives us ever that would be against his nature..
God gave Adam and his wife coats of Skin of there own our god is a god of great abundence he did not have to give them hand me down coats of skin :)
blitzkreig
May 13th, 2005, 08:50 PM
God gave them Coats of Skins ( Flesh )to cover there nakedness . Where is it you would say it came from ???
Man is a spirit With a soul liveing on Earth in A body Skin of Flesh Because of the shame of his self servering rightiousness and sin.
See People see The rags we wear as clothes But That is Just a cover for The CLothing of Skins that God gave us we cover our Flesh That Lusts after the Spirit witin it ..
Our Eyes or our minds eye our carnal Soul (Intelect) perversion of thought, Lusts after The Skin of others so we Cover this shame too..DNA as in Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid ...
not "Da Naked Adam" ... :pound
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dman
May 13th, 2005, 09:05 PM
hahaha !!!
B A N E
May 13th, 2005, 09:05 PM
:pop2
CountryBumpkin
May 13th, 2005, 10:27 PM
I don't believe God gave adam and his wife skins That he had given another living thing to wear God Don't take back the things he gives us ever that would be against his nature..
God gave Adam and his wife coats of Skin of there own our god is a god of great abundence he did not have to give them hand me down coats of skin :)
How would everything be held together if they did not have skin?
Gen. 2: 21 " So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, He took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh." NIV
dman
May 13th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Well Country Bumpkin you sure know how to keep Things interesting hehe..
My point is more to the Fact That God Created man Body Soul and Spirit :)
Weather God Gave adam and eve Litural Skin or he gave Them Sinks of another Nature The Point is God Created man and everything he is God did give Man actual Flesh and skin and his make up including DNA there is Nothing we can see That He did not Create.
Though A discussion about man's DNA is more on carnal side feeding the Mind the Intelect ( The old man) rather Then the Spirit .
if we believe Creation spoke of in the bible then we know that there is nothing That can be seen and things that can't be seen That wasn't Created by God This includes DNA which can be seen with aid today it's the Thing man is now using to CLone and actually attemping to play God him self..
antsinmypants
May 14th, 2005, 02:05 AM
one word: yes.
In four words: Even in the garden!
DNA testifies of G-d's handiwork.
Adam and Eve were made in HIS image, and Seth was made in Adam's image, and each person consecutively per Genesis 4 ( i think ) where it says there.. "Male and female .. in His image..." and "Seth in the image of his father".
LoneStar2005
May 14th, 2005, 02:18 AM
I don't believe God gave adam and his wife skins That he had given another living thing to wear God Don't take back the things he gives us ever that would be against his nature..
God gave Adam and his wife coats of Skin of there own our god is a god of great abundence he did not have to give them hand me down coats of skin :)
methinks it twas animal skins... at least inferred from the Hebrew/Greek text..
The LORD God made a garments3801 of skin5785 for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
(Gen 3:21 NASB+)
H5785
עור
or (736a); of unc. der.; a skin: - body (1), hide (4), hides (1), leather (15), skin (65), skins (13).
H3801
כּתנת
kethoneth or
כּתּנת
kuttoneth (509a); from an unused word; a tunic: - coat (2), dress (1), garment (2), garments (4), tunic (14), tunics (6).
antsinmypants
May 14th, 2005, 04:48 AM
you are correct. it's the animal that was sacrificed there that they had skins from.
Atonement had to be made.
WisdmInTheWorks
May 14th, 2005, 07:07 AM
God gave them Coats of Skins ( Flesh )to cover there nakedness . Where is it you would say it came from ???
Man is a spirit With a soul liveing on Earth in A body Skin of Flesh Because of the shame of his self servering rightiousness and sin.
See People see The rags we wear as clothes But That is Just a cover for The CLothing of Skins that God gave us we cover our Flesh That Lusts after the Spirit witin it ..
Our Eyes or our minds eye our carnal Soul (Intelect) perversion of thought, Lusts after The Skin of others so we Cover this shame too..
These coats of skin were animal skin. God made them clothes to cover their nakedness after they had sinned in the garden. These coats of skin are also the first animal sacrafice. As we know in the OT animal sacrafice was to cleanse the person of their sin.
Gen 3:17 And He said to the man, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat from it, the ground shall be cursed because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow all the days of your life.
Gen 3:18 And it shall bring forth thorns and thistles for you, and you shall eat the plant of the field.
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until your return to the ground. For you have been taken out of it; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.
Gen 3:20 And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she became the mother of all living.
Gen 3:21 And Jehovah God made coats of skin for the man and his wife, and clothed them.
dman
May 14th, 2005, 10:15 AM
ok wow I was making a point as to where Mans DNA came from God Gave man his Flesh and Bone My comment was made to make a point not to argue if God gave them there own skin or skin coats of animal hides.
Though I will show you These interesting things Then you can Decide for your self .
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God created man in his image in his likeness, God Is a Spirit man does not have a spirit but man is a spirit.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Now even though Antsinmypants said he gave them skin coats made from the sacrifice, The bible mentions no sacrific in fact the frist animal sacrific mentioned in the bible is the one made by able..
either way God Gave them Skins to cover there Shame.
Now let me show you more
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Adam begot sons in Who's Likeness who's Image ??? his son seth was after his Image man's if he begot Son's in God image it would say so ( You Think). Adam didnt have Spirit Childern .
Now as to Weather god gave man Skin of animals or Carnal Skin man now has Becomes even more Interesting .
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
What !! ( The Word) God was made Flesh and dwelt among us The one who created adam in his likeness and his image was made flesh and dwelt among us ...
he even had to give him self Flesh :)
Spirit can never die when mans spirit leaves him the body Drops to the ground and begins to die and return from Where it frist came :)
adam and eve did have flesh the garment of flesh give to cover mans shame Mortifide it and it began to age and die as we do..
Man Begot Childern in his Image fleshly carnal image that sin had brought about..
weather skins of animal or our own skin it is the part of us That dies or is already dead in sin its our FLesh our bodys and soul that will be changed Glorfide mad perfect it is our Spirit that is reconciled to him through Christ ..
B A N E
May 14th, 2005, 10:19 AM
and theophanies are what?
dman
May 14th, 2005, 10:30 AM
and theophanies are what?
haha at the moment this hour of the day its basically a brain Cramp for me i'll get back to ya hehe..
the whole point I am makeing is not That adam was not flesh But That all we are came from the creator We are a spirit and a soul living in this mortal body. This is an understand we need .
as God is a trinity SO is man liturally made in Gods likeness GOd Created adam and eve in his Image ,Adam and eve Begot man in the Form of Sons and daughters in there image.
thats not to say I don't know what theophanies mean it is to say that a study of it is sitting right in front of me hehe never enter Dicussion without having done the work ( study) some times many many times ..
LoneStar2005
May 14th, 2005, 11:28 AM
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
(Tit 3:9 NASB)
Time2Sow
May 14th, 2005, 07:15 PM
um, i dunno nothing about skins and skins, 'cept that God gave us all the skins... the ones that cover our insides, and the ones that cover our outsides..
But DNA: almost a LOCK that Adam and Eve had DNA. Of course, that too comes from the Creator. He created everything, of which DNA is certainly a part.
WHy is it a lock? well.. our bodies constantly renew themselves, on a cellular level. Skin, for example, you know we shed it.. because we have cells constantly making new skin. Taste buds, olfactory receptors, muscles are broken and rebuilt with use, the lining of our digestive tract... blood, bones.. even neurons in some parts of the brain are renewable (hippocampus specifically, but i bet they find others as well).
There is only one reason the body is capable of this renewal: DNA. If you think of DNA as a blueprint, which it basically is, you can see it is necessary to have a portion of the blueprint drawn for each specific "room" (cell type) in order to have that cell later capable of "building" another "room" (replicating).
One of the things i think we will learn when we get to heaven, if not before, is that the mechanism by which our days were shortened after the flood, and the machanism by which God allowed mortality to take effect, was in the modification of the telomere region of the DNA.. the telomeres are basically the end caps to DNA, and it seems (reaching back through the years to grad school) that the older we get, the shorter/thinner the telomeres become. if you reverse the logic, (i dunno if we are capable of testing this yet) but if someone had super thick/strong telomeres they might be able to live longer and if the telomeres were fixed, like by the will of God, one would in theory be immortal, like the first duo would have been.
truth child
May 14th, 2005, 09:26 PM
God created DNA. That's all we need to know. If he had wanted us to know all about it, he would have put it in THE WORD. He picked up a little dust, whatever all that was in that dust, and created a male and from the male created a female! He created every thing that is created. If anything botched up, you better believe that man (or woman) botched it up, (being used by Satan). He just loves botching anything that God does... I can't imagine why, he just does. Just think how much more glorious the next body is going to be the second time around. It's so exciting, just thinking about it. I won't care what it's made of, I just know it will be incorruptible....(He knew that pea brains would try to improvise because he gave us a free will (ouch!)).... so... Satan will be outdone then! Probably won't need DNA!!!! though, because he said no marrying in heaven. :):
antsinmypants
May 15th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Now even though Antsinmypants said he gave them skin coats made from the sacrifice, The bible mentions no sacrific in fact the frist animal sacrific mentioned in the bible is the one made by able..
*buzzer*
Actually no. I was with Bill Cloud last night and today/tonight for mannnnnnnnnnny hours and we discussed this at length throughout the presentation, and even afterwards. The first sacrifice was in The Garden.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did YHVH God make garments of skins, and wrapped them therin.
When an offering is made on the altar.. EVERYTHING except the blood and the skin are on the fire. The blood is on the altar... the SKINS (ecept for certain offerings) are given to whom to wear and have?
THE PREISTHOOD.
Lev 7:7 As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 7:8 And the priest that offereth any man's burnt offering, even the priest shall have to himself the skin of the burnt offering which he hath offered.
Now Know this, YHVH's Torah has been since FOREVER. Why? Because His Word = ALEPH TAV = Y'SHUA = THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD = THE TREE OF LIFE = THE HEALING WATERS OF SALVATION
(get where i'm going here?)
That being said we are told WHAT about the Priesthood and G-d's people (including in the "hidden things of YHVH" in the scriptures) ?
ALL people called to him are what?
A Holy Priesthood...
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
1Pe 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Messiah Y'shua.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Now, in the "perfect" ideal mind of YHVH, who was to offer the sacrifice for the sin offering for a person in the temple?
THE INDIVIDUAL.
However, if you have a weak stomach and cannot bring yourself to offer this animal, YOU are assisted by the Levitical Priesthood to offer up this lamb, or ram, goat, or bullock.. or dove..
Notice this also:
Psa 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
John Gill:
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek; or, "according to the word of Melchizedek" (z); that is, according to what is said of him; there being an agreement between the things said of one and of the other; so the Syriac version, "according to the likeness of Melchizedek", see Heb_7:15
Jaimeson, Faucett and Brown:
Psa 110:4 - The perpetuity of the priesthood, here asserted on God's oath, corresponds with that of the kingly office just explained.
after the order-- (Heb_7:15) after the similitude of Melchisedek, is fully expounded by Paul, to denote not only perpetuity, appointment of God, and a royal priesthood, but also the absence of priestly descent and succession, and superiority to the Aaronic order.
Kiel and Delitzsch:
To stand before God is the same as to serve Him, viz., as priest. The ruler whom the Psalm celebrates is a priest who intervenes in the reciprocal dealings between God and His people within the province of divine worship the priestly character of the people who suffer themselves to be led forth to battle and victory by him, stands in causal connection with the priestly character of this their king. He is a priest by virtue of the promise of God confirmed by an oath. The oath is not merely a pledge of the fulfilment of the promise, but also a seal of the high significance of its purport. God the absolutely truthful One (Num_13:19) swears - this is the highest enhancement of the נאם ה of which prophecy is capable (Amo_6:8).
He appoints the person addressed as a priest for ever “after the manner of Melchizedek” in this most solemn manner. The i of דברתי is the same ancient connecting vowel as in the מלכי of the name Melchizedek; and it has the tone, which it loses when, as in Lam_1:1, a tone-syllable follows. The wide-meaning על־דּברת, “in respect to, on account of,” Ecc_3:18; Ecc_7:14; Ecc_8:2, is here specialized to the signification “after the manner, measure of,” lxx κατὰ τὴν τάξιν. The priesthood is to be united with the kingship in him who rules out of Zion, just as it was in Melchizedek, king of Salem, and that for ever.
Albert Barnes:
Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek - The word rendered “order” here means properly a word, a thing, a matter; hence, a way or manner. The meaning here is, that he would be a priest “after the manner” of Melchizedek; or, such a priest as he was. He would not be of the tribe of Levi; he would not be in the regular line of the priesthood, but he would resemble, in the characteristics of his office, this ancient priest-king, combining in himself the two functions of priest and king; as a priest, standing alone; not deriving his authority from any line of predecessors; and having no successors. See this verse explained at length, in its application to the Messiah, in the notes at Heb_5:6 (note), Heb_5:10 (note); Heb_7:1-3 (note). The passage as it stands here, and as looked at without any reference to the use made of it in the New Testament, would imply these things:
(1) That he who was spoken of would be, in a proper sense, a priest.
(2) that he would have a perpetual or permanent priesthood - “forever.”
(3) that he would not be of the established line of priests in the tribe of Levi, but that his appointment would be unusual and extraordinary.
(4) that the appointment would come directly from God, and would not be “derived” from those who went before him.
(5) that as a priest he would “resemble” Melchizedek, according to the record which was found of Melchizedek in Genesis.
(6) that as Melchizedek was a priest of the Most High God, so he would be.
(7) that as Melchizedek combined in himself the functions of both priest and king, so these would be found in him.
(8) that as Melchizedek had no successors in office, so he would have none.
How far these things were applicable to the Lord [Messiah Y'shua], and with what propriety the passage might be applied to him, may be seen by examining the Epistle to the Hebrews, Heb. 5–7.
Now- Interesting note here. The man's name was not Melchizedek.
This is His title.
Melki --- KING
Tzedek --- RIGHTEOUSNESS/RIGHTEOUS
Now, what KING on EARTH--- or shall I say, in this "Realm" Has the title of "King of Righteousness" ---- but ..... Y'SHUA?
No one.
Now, we are called here, as the Priesthood after the order of Melki-Tzedek.. The King of Righteousness.
Heb 7:1 For this Malki-Tzedek, king of Shalom, Kohen of El `Elyon, who met Avraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 to whom also Avraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, king of righteousness, and then also King of Shalom, which is king of peace;
Heb 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made the same as the Son of God), remains a Kohen continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even Avraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth out of the best spoils.
Heb 7:5 They indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the Kohen's office have a mitzvah to take tithes of the people according to the Torah, that is, of their brothers, though these have come out of the body of Avraham,
Heb 7:6 but he whose genealogy is not counted from them has accepted tithes from Avraham, and has blessed him who has the promises.
Heb 7:7 But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater.
Heb 7:8 Here people who die receive tithes, but there one receives tithes of whom it is testified that he lives.
Heb 7:9 We can say that through Avraham even Levi, who receives tithes, has paid tithes,
Heb 7:10 for he was yet in the body of his father when Malki-Tzedek met him.
[b]Heb 7:11 Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people have received the Torah), what further need was there for another Kohen to arise after the order of Malki-Tzedek, and not be called after the order of Aharon?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made also in the Torah.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord has sprung out of Yehudah, about which tribe Moshe spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 This is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Malki-Tzedek there arises another Kohen,
Heb 7:16 who has been made, not after the Torah of a fleshly mitzvah, but after the power of an endless life:
Heb 7:17 for it is testified, "You are a Kohen forever, according to the order of Malki-Tzedek."
Heb 7:24 But he, because he lives forever, has his priesthood unchangeable.
Heb 7:25 Therefore he is also able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, seeing that he lives forever to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a Kohen Gadol was fitting for us: holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 who doesn't need, like those Kohenim Gedolim, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the Torah appoints men as Kohenim Gedolim who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah appoints a Son forever who has been perfected.
The King, Melki-Tzedek-- Y'shua... is the High Priest.
Who are we? :noidea?
The Holy Preisthood after His order.
Which means to understand this more fully, we have to understand the orders of the Holy Priesthood set in place with the sons of Aaron, which is incidentally found in scripture.
Understanding the Names.... that is what tells us the meaning of the parable there-- which explains to us Melki-Tzedek-Y'shua.
Oh, there are other scriptures that speak to Y'shua being the High Priest (Kohen HaGadol) and others being preists after him.
A few references are in the prophets, and the other in Revelation.
Joshua's Gen
May 15th, 2005, 01:49 AM
:thumb
antsinmypants
May 15th, 2005, 01:51 AM
and theophanies are what?
www.m-w.com
Main Entry: the·oph·a·ny
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-f&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Medieval Latin theophania, from Late Greek theophaneia, from Greek the- + -phaneia (as in epiphaneia appearance) -- more at EPIPHANY
: a visible manifestation of a deity
- theo·phan·ic /"thE-&-'fa-nik/ adjective
Y'shua has been illustrated in the hidden and even in the revealed scriptures as flesh even from the beginning. YHVH manifested Himself as three when visiting Avraham several times.
He came as Melki-Tzedek...
The "Angel of YHVH"...
And then Y'shua as redeemer.
G-d is a three part being just as we are.
Body, Mind, Spirit.
We too were given this same setting.
Notice, that even the Temple and Tabernacle have the same idea flowing.
You start with the Physical (outside and inside).. The Mind (the movement within the body of the temple in worship) ... and Spirit-- which would be from the Altar to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies.
If you think about it, even the natural things (plants) show us this "Three yet Oneness" of G-d as well.
Plants- have three parts... Outer, Inner, "Heart" (what causes everything to flow and make life).
DNA points to the distinctness and idioscincratic parts of us, which make us unique, but no less (when indwelt by Him) Like unto Him.
G-d, while Echad, yet diverse as three manifestations -- has many qualities, and "talents" (cannot think of a better word at the moment).
He is so great that we cannot describe him adequately on paper, nor explain Him in finite ways like our minds work. But when we are with Him and in Him, we know Him, and understand Him, and even Feel His very presence.
To say that man was only spirit-- How did he till the ground and take care of the animals and the plants?
Clearly even in the Garden, he had flesh.
Notice, that when Chavah came out of Adam, He had flesh:
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Notice this:
H1320
בּשׂר
bâśâr
From H1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension body, person; also (by euphemism) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin.
Man was flesh, and woman came from his Timbers (as the word in Hebrew for rib means :lol (brings a whole new meaning to "shiver me timbers" :rofl) :doh) .... and was made flesh just as HE was.. Out of Man (or as the Hebrew says "Carried from man's flesh") she was made.
So apparently.. They BOTH had flesh even before leaving Eden.
p.s. Right on Time2Sow :thumb
B A N E
May 15th, 2005, 07:58 AM
ants,
if that was addressed to me, I think you missed my point.
IMO, theophanies are a clear refutation of dman's conclusion.
dman
May 15th, 2005, 09:27 AM
umm actually Bane
theophanies Dont refute What I have said it rather Speaks of it .
as it proves over time that Through out the bible at will God Put on skin to make him self visable to man and took it off untill The time of Christ When he put the flesh on more perminately he put Cloths of skin on ...
Theophanies
Definition: A manifestation or appearance of God to man.
According to McClintock and Strong: "God reveals himself only in Christ (Matt, xi, 27). The theophany is therefore more accurately defined as a Christophany, or an epiphany of God in Christ; and all nature is a storehouse of signs of the divine presence, which uniformly point to Christ (Rom. i, 20; Col. i, 16)" (Volume X, p. 333).
Application to this study:
The fact that Almighty God, the Spirit of God, Father of Jesus Christ, appeared to man is well documented in the Old Testament. On several occasions he temporarily clothed Himself in flesh during these appearances, or theophanies. The difference between the following theophanies and Jesus Christ, is that when the spirit of Almighty God became Jesus Christ it was no longer temporary, but He became a man until 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 shall be fulfilled.
dman
May 15th, 2005, 12:20 PM
There are many interesting Studies on theophanies and they help To solidify The factuality of The Trinty (pluralities of God) Used in CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS as well as to disprove Jehovah's Witnesses Doctrine that there is no trinity...
there Places in the bible OT where People have seen God Adam Moses and Jacob some of the Most well Known and the bible also says THat no one Has seen God Either The bible has contradiction or They were Seeing another member of the God Head That Of Jesus Christ Before he was made Incarnate..
Liturally Clothing Him self in Flesh ( Skin ) temporarily and becoming visual to people :)
it becomes Clear that who they were Seeing Was not Father God But Christ the Son WHo man has Seen..
also interesting Note that it was this same Lord Who changed Abram's name to Abraham, After Wrestling with The Lord, it was the Lord Changed Jacobs Name to Israel and it was Our Lord Jesus who Change Simon's Name to Peter ..
There are other Study's about theophanies That are not really biblical studys But they Come to interest Conclusion theophanies of Drug use and pscodelics and how These theophanies ( Visions ) Are not and never can be lasting Beyond the effect of the Drug and how it appears That in Religion theophanies Become real and lasting Through Conviction Within the believer.
in any case these studies are well outside the scope of the Question in this thread about adam & eve having DNA and if God Created DNA ..
My Point Here was That God Created Man in His Image God is a spirit he Clothed Them in Flesh (Skin) Our Lord HIm self had to Cloth him self in Flesh to make him self visually know to us :)
THe flesh Bone and Blood that make up The flesh is where DNA is found and there is Nothing that exsits That He did not Create and Nothing Was by accident but by his design.. DNA is the building block of The Flesh That which decides our makes up our Bodies design ..
dman
May 15th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Man's Science Exsplains DNA as the Building Block of Life This is Just not so we know this From The bible if we Believe the Creation account Life is in and comes from the Spirit Not The flesh ( body Skin).
now just for Kicks lets Tie this flesh and sprit thing all together .God told Abraham all males will be Circumcised of there Flesh.
This Was an exsample of things to come all Be it Reverse Christians those who are Born again are no long Circumcised in the Flesh How ever they are Still Very much Circumcised And even more interesting is How they are Circumcised ..
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
What is that we are circumcised in the heart ( in The Spirit) Heart in the bible Mean Spirit. Christ Liturally Cuts our Spirit From our Flesh That skin he wraped adam in in the Graden to cover his shame his nakedness and Once again making him able to Walk in the Spirit Side by side with the Lord Just as he did in the Graden before the Fall..
Christ separates The Flesh From our Spirit and The word we feed that Spirit wakens it and brings it back to Light and we are Lead walking in the Spirit and walking with following Our Lord without Shame once again..
blitzkreig
May 15th, 2005, 01:13 PM
ALL people called to him are what?
A Holy Priesthood...
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
It is my understanding that it is to Israel to whom the offer of priesthood is outstanding. Not a bunch of 21st century Gentiles ...
ants why don't you start a thread to discuss this? I don't want to derail the "did Adam and Eve have skin" thread ... :loco
As a matter of fact you could use your whole post as the opening post.
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dman
May 15th, 2005, 01:18 PM
In any case there is much more to this God WOrd is a two Edged sword it can Divide or separate the Flesh from the Spirit which it does for obedient to gods will and repentant or with it he will pass judgement on them who reject him..
What I find hard to Believe is that Christians have become so comfortable in what they had become that I find myself in need of the use of CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS to defend my belief and faith with Christian who claim being born again and being of the same faith as I am..
These are not really not The tougher meat of the word They are Just a step above the milk of the word Like Junior Food of the word that all Christians use in the defence of there Faith and there daily walk in the spirit.
antsinmypants
May 15th, 2005, 02:30 PM
ants,
if that was addressed to me, I think you missed my point.
IMO, theophanies are a clear refutation of dman's conclusion.
:thumb that's why I quoted it along with the scriptures.
antsinmypants
May 15th, 2005, 02:32 PM
It is my understanding that it is to Israel to whom the offer of priesthood is outstanding. Not a bunch of 21st century Gentiles ...
ants why don't you start a thread to discuss this? I don't want to derail the "did Adam and Eve have skin" thread ... :loco
As a matter of fact you could use your whole post as the opening post.
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No, because it was for this thread, and it is quoted again in the New Testament for all of us to know that what we are doing spiritually within our temple-- in our hearts with YHVH- - is like unto the very same offerings, but in a spiritual way.
dman
May 15th, 2005, 02:41 PM
yeah Ants I agree with you post it fits in here very well :)
blitzkreig
May 15th, 2005, 11:39 PM
No, because it was for this thread, and it is quoted again in the New Testament for all of us to know that what we are doing spiritually within our temple-- in our hearts with YHVH- - is like unto the very same offerings, but in a spiritual way.Yes, it was quoted again ... what was the book's name ... hmmm ... oh yes ... HEBREWS.
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antsinmypants
May 16th, 2005, 09:32 AM
And Romans. It speaks of us offering our bodies as a living sacrifice-- a living Olah Offering. :wave
p.s. the "armor" is that of the High Priest.
HeIsEnough
May 16th, 2005, 09:37 AM
Blitz.....did not read this whole thread.....but Ants is clearly correct in this, we are a holy preisthood, whether you agree or not.
Hootmon
May 16th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Did Adam & Eve have DNA? Yes.
And if so, where did it come from? From that which preceeded the 'becoming a living soul'
GAB
May 16th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Yes, Adam and Eve had DNA. DNA is the mechanism by which inherited traits are passed on to us. If we have it, it came from our parents, and grandparents, and back to the First Parents.
It's the mechanism by which cells are duplicated. Spilt in two, it's the template by which proteins are manufactured. DNA is God's way of maintaining life.
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