Would Adam and Eve have died if the fall (sin) never happened?

[Butterflylady]

Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this.

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve.

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(I asked this in the politcal forum, but didn't want to totally hijack that thread.)

[Hootmon]

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve. That is one possible interpretation...

[Patty T]

I also believe death was not what God had planned when He created Adam and Eve. God created man in His own image and he was to have dominion over the fish, the birds and over every living thing that moves upon the earth (Gen 1:27, 28). When sin entered through their disobedience, their spiritual death also brought about physical death.

[Werner]

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve.
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[Kyrie Eleison]

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve.


:nod

And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." (Gen. 2:16-17)

[Butterflylady]

Thanks. :):


(I probably shouldn't think so much... I get dizzy. :lol )

[Hootmon]

:tape

[matheteou]

Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this.

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve.

???


(I asked this in the politcal forum, but didn't want to totally hijack that thread.)I guess that would depend upon your interpretation of Gen 3:22-And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever-But I'm more interested in Hoot's interpretation of Rom 5:12 considering he about gagged on that tape.

[Hootmon]

But I'm more interested in Hoot's interpretation of Rom 5:12 considering he about gagged on that tape.Not sure I want to derail this thread to that extent...

[Werner]

I guess that would depend upon your interpretation of Gen 3:22
Not at all :):

You see that was after the fall, not before. Before the fall Adam and Eve could eat fruit from the tree of life all day long...

There was only one tree they could not eat from. :nod

[matheteou]

Not at all :):

You see that was after the fall, not before. Before the fall Adam and Eve could eat fruit from the tree of life all day long...

There was only one tree they could not eat from. :nodI realize that. So you believe it's possible (or probable) they would have had to eat from the tree of life on a regular basis to be able to "... live for ever..."? If that is the case, what does that interpretation do to Rev 22:2?

[Werner]

I'm not saying that at all :):

The Bible does not say they had to eat from the Tree of Life to survive before the fall. It says that if they had access to it they would be able to keep living. I don't think they needed it before the fall to live on, but it obviously has the capacity to sustain life in some manner beyond normal food...

[Jacob]

Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this.

I believe that death entered through sin (the fall) and that prior to that there was no death. I believe that death is unnatural in the sense that it was not meant to be by God, but entered through the sin of Adam and Eve.

???


(I asked this in the politcal forum, but didn't want to totally hijack that thread.)

"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Romans 5:12).

[Gary]

I'm not saying that at all :):

The Bible does not say they had to eat from the Tree of Life to survive before the fall. It says that if they had access to it they would be able to keep living. I don't think they needed it before the fall to live on, but it obviously has the capacity to sustain life in some manner beyond normal food...

:nod

[col311]

No they would not have died. They were supposed to live forever.

[Hootmon]

No they would not have died. They were supposed to live forever. Ive heard that said before, but the Scriptural support for that idea seems a bit lacking...

[Werner]

Ive heard that said before, but the Scriptural support for that idea seems a bit lacking...
:confused

The only instance where death would ever have played a factor is if they sinned. Death is the result of sin. If they had not sinned... no death. There didn't appear to be any concern for them eating from the Tree of Life until after they fell.

Obviously God knew they would fall, but before the fall they weren't dieing, because if they were then what is the point of God telling them they will die if they sin...?

[Hootmon]

I probably shouldnt have said anything. I didnt want to be responsible for derailing this thread...

However, since you asked... :waveThe only instance where death would ever have played a factor is if they sinned. Death is the result of sin. If they had not sinned... no death. That depends on what specifically you think 'surely died that day'. Since A&E didnt drop dead physically right then and there... :noidea


There didn't appear to be any concern for them eating from the Tree of Life until after they fell. You are correct about the 'concern'. Problem is, we have no idea if they ate from it before the fall or not. Scripture doesnt say...

Personally, I would expect that they did. It was an extra special Tree placed in a prominent location. It was made to be noticed and eaten from...


Obviously God knew they would fall, but before the fall they weren't dieing, because if they were then what is the point of God telling them they will die if they sin...? Again, it depends on what it is you think 'surely died that day'.

[bopeep1909]

God knew that Adam and Eve where going to sin and eat that apple. Why did he creat them? Why have many of you chosen to give birth to your children knowing that they could become corrupt, have a terrible accident or get gravely ill?<><

[Kyrie Eleison]

God spells out that they will suffer due to their sin, and die in due time, but he provides a merciful chance to repent and turn to salvation through faith. The tree of life is guarded by cherubims, so that no fallen man can eat from it and live forever. Death is new after the fall, as God states one of his judgment for sin to be that he will return us to the earth as dust for our rebellion. God's plan will not be thwarted, it is fellowship with his creation, makind. Although man's free will resulted in sin, God provides a way back to him. The reason God created us although he knew Adam & Eve would sin, is that God is gracious and sovereign, and his will is that we will be saved and live in fellowship with him, as this glorifies him.


Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;


Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;


Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.


Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.


Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.