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Budgies
October 25th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Is it a sin to hope or pray that God will send evil people to Hell? I read an animal abuse story today, and I found myself having these thoughts.
blitzkreig
October 25th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Is it a sin to hope or pray that God will send evil people to Hell? I read an animal abuse story today, and I found myself having these thoughts.I might suggest that it could be quite an insult to God to hope that (and I couldn't begin to state what praying that might be)... given how He values and even gave His Son's life so people wouldn't have to go to Hell. Even sinners like me.
Don
October 25th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Is it a sin to hope or pray that God will send evil people to Hell? I read an animal abuse story today, and I found myself having these thoughts.Absolutely! Especially for something as relatively trivial as animal abuse (relative to evil actions against humans)! There's nothing wrong with being angry about it though. Just don't let your hatred for the act turn into hatred for the person.
antsinmypants
October 25th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I would say it was, considering the bible says that G-d is willing that NONE should perish.
Timothy
October 25th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Keep in mind that every time we sin, we do evil.
Romans 7:18-20 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Don
October 25th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Keep in mind that every time we sin, we do evil.http://www.kaejae-worx.com/~don/obvious.gif
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Timothy
October 25th, 2004, 08:30 PM
:confused
I'm not sure what your question may be.
:sigh
From a POSITIONAL perspective, we are "dead to sin," etc. From a a PRACTICAL perspective, we all still sin, etc.
blitzkreig
October 25th, 2004, 08:50 PM
From a POSITIONAL perspective, we are "dead to sin," etc. From a a PRACTICAL perspective, we all still sin, etc. :nod
And to the best of our intentions and purposes ... we are to give ourselves over to the service of the Lord ... according to the measure of ability and Faith which He gives us (some more and some less)... in everything which we do.
Rom 12:1-3
(1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
(2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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Jany
October 25th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Is it a sin to hope or pray that God will send evil people to Hell? I read an animal abuse story today, and I found myself having these thoughts.
We should not pray that anyone would go to Hell; nope :(: <><
Budgies
October 25th, 2004, 10:46 PM
I would say it was, considering the bible says that G-d is willing that NONE should perish.Bingo! :nod
Budgies
October 25th, 2004, 10:50 PM
Keep in mind that every time we sin, we do evil.
Romans 7:18-20 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.That passage doesn't say all sin is evil; it says doing evil is sinful.
BHiles
October 25th, 2004, 11:26 PM
However,
Your feelings are not uncommon to those who love God:
Ps 74:10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?
Psalms 94
1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
2 Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
3 LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?
4 How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?
5 They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.
6 They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.
7 Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.
8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
9 He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
Psalms 9:19 Arise, O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.
20 Put them in fear, O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.
Ps 68:1 <<To the chief Musician, A Psalm or Song of David.>> Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
joy4Him2day
October 25th, 2004, 11:52 PM
I'd say yes. The disciples merely "stuck up" for Jesus in wanting to send fire down from heaven to consume a city they visited that wouldn't allow Jesus to preach in.....
Jesus said, You know not what spirit ye are of. I came to give life and not destroy it.
So, I would assume the attitude of wanting destruction on someone is not of God, and therefore, not a good thing.....you may actually be "cursing" them by wishing evil on them......
Willo
October 26th, 2004, 01:37 AM
I say it is a sin, cause you hate that person so much that you want them to go to hell. and by hating them, the Bible says you are guilty of murder
CatholicGirl00
October 26th, 2004, 11:55 AM
We are supposed to wish the best for everyone, whether they are our enemies or our friends. The best would be heaven. We should pray for our enemies, and not hate them, or show hatred towards them. :)
sandy111
October 26th, 2004, 12:29 PM
pray for them. God can change their heart and life.
Jesus died for sinners. he even loved those who beat Him, spit on Him, and nailed Him to the cross.
that is not to say there should not be consequences for doing evil things,
Love requires justice also, put them in Gods hands, he knows who did this.
but wanting them in hell is sin.
Mailman Dan
October 26th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Pity is the feeling that should come to mind, because God does send evil people to hell. If we are servants of Christ, we should be warning them of judgement to come.
Dan~~~>knows he is an evil person, saved by grace through faith in Christ
Stowen
October 27th, 2004, 09:07 AM
I think there is such thing as righteous anger, I find I direct it at myself when I sin. As humans its better to direct that anger at the sin and not the soul, directing anger at the soul is God's job, directing anger at the sin is our job. If you are angry at the sin and it makes you sick, as long as you are angry at unrighteousness, you control yourself, and you dont let malice sit in your heart when the sun goes down then you are :thumb
joy4Him2day
October 27th, 2004, 09:21 AM
I think there is such thing as righteous anger, I find I direct it at myself when I sin. As humans its better to direct that anger at the sin and not the soul, directing anger at the soul is God's job, directing anger at the sin is our job. If you are angry at the sin and it makes you sick, as long as you are angry at unrighteousness, you control yourself, and you dont let malice sit in your heart when the sun goes down then you are :thumb
Oh, I totally agree, that we should rise up against evil, but realize the lost state of those who do it. I think it takes the Spirit of God in us, it is not something we are capable of doing on our own. I think those feelings of the OP are real, and probably most realistic. But, she was searching for advice with what to do about them, or if they should stand.
The Psalmists describe many things that he "wishes" on evil people. I have had some perplexities about them, when comparing them to the sermon on the mount.......I do go back to say, do not curse them, but its going to take the Grace of God.
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