Should a Christian live in luxury?

[g26]

I am struggling with this question. I am blessed with SO MANY nice "things" that I tend to feel guilty at times. Should a Christian drive luxury cars and live in large homes and have a housekeeper, etc? While others suffer and live lives of harshness, God has blessed me with a beautiful family and a life of relative peace and calm. For that I feel SO GUILTY at times!!!

I work hard for what I have and I am starting to slowly but surely becoming more involed with church activities. AS time goes on God continues to convict me more and more and opens my eyes to things I should be doing with my earnings. Still, I often feel that the only way to be a "good" Christian is to live a much more modest life and give MUCH more away to the less fortunate.... BUT then I start thinking, I started poor myself, but have worked my way up to where I am.. why can't the "less fortunate" do the same?

In my heart I KNOW that ALL material possesions mean absolutely NOTHING from an "eternity" perspective.. but I still want to live comfortably within my means.

Is having luxuries a sin (am I coveting)????

What does the Bible have to say about balancing material wealth and Christian modesty and giving?

Thanks!!!

[PlentyGroovy]

Do you tithe?

[rancherswife]

You know, that's a very good question. I was watching a show on RFD TV the other night. It was about how Georgia farmers were helping out the people in Haiti (Southern Baptist church). I sat there with tears in my eyes praising God for the great abundance He has blessed us with. Those people have to MAKE charcoal to sell for money. They have to gather as a group to bake bread in an old brick oven (outdoors) for 3 hours just to eat for the week.

I can't really answer your question. I think God gives us resources and expects us to use them for His purposes. As long as we realize that all we have really belongs to God, and we are humbly in His service, then I think we have a Godly attitude toward our possessions.

[Patty T]

God has blessed you for a reason. You have absolutely no reason to feel guilty. There are people He has chosen to bless in a financial way so they can be obedient to Him with their finances. He has blessed you to BE a blessing to others. Pray about what He would have you do. There are many, many people/charities who need finances. You were not gifted (it appears) to be a missionary in another country trying to spread the gospel. But He has appointed missionaries and that takes money.

Ask Him what it is HE wants/needs you to do.

Don't ever feel guilty about blessings from the Lord :hug


Patty

[g26]

On a "strictly 10%" of income basis I'd have to say I do not tithe. I'm a "newbie" Christian in the sense that I've only recently begun taking my faith seriously. I used to give ZERO... now I give "sporadically" based on my mood. I know that seems like a lazy and sinful way to look at giving but I'm getting better.

I am still immature as a Christian in the sense that If I have an extra $5 thousand on hand and I have the choice to give it to a charity or buy a new "toy" I'd still go for the toy and then perhaps give a couple hundred bucks to the charity. VERY sad, I know.

I often wonder why I am so willing to pay HUGE amounts to uncle sam each year and yet only grudingly give to charity oranizations or the church. My heart is in the wrong place.. but I slowly feel the tug towards correcting that situation.

Still, I struggle with good "tithers" because quite often they do it because they feel that by giving they are "storing up treasures in heaven". Isn't that a self-centered reason for giving? I want to get to the point where I give freely and generously not out of a sense of obligation or because I expect a "heavenly reward" but because I truly, deeply WANT to give JUST for the sake of giving.

How do I get there?

[Walkerbyfaith]

ok lets put it this way its the same reason when people get mad that a preacher comes driving a mercedes to church, his church has 1000+ members and growing, we ask someone should he be driving that? hes a preacher preachers dont drive nice things or own nice things they need to focus on God. Then we ask what about someone like bill gates is it ok for him to drive a mercedes? well yes because he earned it. ok first off do you think the pastor hasnt earned it since his church is growing, and he focuses on God, but he decides he wants a nice car, so because he's a Christian he automatically shouldnt have one?

God wants us to live happily and with all our needs supplied, and he will supply some of our wants to if we live under his commands. If we Tithe etc, we will be blessed the Bible says that we will be blessed, and that God wants us to live with nice things and with our needs met. so no Christians can own nice things as long as they dont replace God with those nice things

[JoyAtLast]

I don't think being blessed is something to feel guilty about, either! It's what you do with these resources and how your attitude is about temporal things is that matters...and it sounds like you have the right attitude.

Remember how God doubly blessed Job after Job refused to denounce God. The LORD wanted to bless him!

My dh has a Christian aunt and uncle who are extremely wealthy and they are two of the most unselfish, giving people I've ever seen.

[4Jesus]

God wants us to prosper.
As long as we use our blessings to further the Kingdom of God.
We have been blessed and we give all the glory to Christ.
We tithe and we give back to God every chance we get, whether it be donations, helping people get on the right track, etc.
I feel no guilt and have worked very hard to get where we are.
We ALWAYs remember who it is who blesses us and it humbles us greatly.
In our business, our logo, on everything, including our trucks, is the fish, because our success goes soley unto the Lord!
And even if He took it all away, we would still praise, worship, serve, and give back to Him. :nod

[antsinmypants]

I think if one was blessed with wealth, they definitely should be giving to G-d, and helping others out. I mean, the Bible does say to care for the sick, and the widowed, elderly and the fatherless.

Also, it speaks of those in Bible days doing so and giving of themselves, unless they were very selfish. The early congregations that got together that are supposed to be the examples to us, gave of their homes, their clothes and their money.

Now, I may not give to my congregation very much, but I do give to charities that help other people, as well as the people who are teaching me biblical teachings (I buy their tapes, and send their ministries money that sort of thing).

I may only be able to give a meal, or a shirt, or a little money here and there to ensure that someone elderly or homeless, or fatherless is cared for.. but it's money well spent. If I could live without the money I have, and give it all, I would. I don't care about the tax return, I care about helping.

We're told to give cheerfully, not just of 10% but whatever it is we do give.
Remember the widow and her mite. :):

[Patty T]

On a "strictly 10%" of income basis I'd have to say I do not tithe. I'm a "newbie" Christian in the sense that I've only recently begun taking my faith seriously. I used to give ZERO... now I give "sporadically" based on my mood. I know that seems like a lazy and sinful way to look at giving but I'm getting better.

I am still immature as a Christian in the sense that If I have an extra $5 thousand on hand and I have the choice to give it to a charity or buy a new "toy" I'd still go for the toy and then perhaps give a couple hundred bucks to the charity. VERY sad, I know.

I often wonder why I am so willing to pay HUGE amounts to uncle sam each year and yet only grudingly give to charity oranizations or the church. My heart is in the wrong place.. but I slowly feel the tug towards correcting that situation.

Still, I struggle with good "tithers" because quite often they do it because they feel that by giving they are "storing up treasures in heaven". Isn't that a self-centered reason for giving? I want to get to the point where I give freely and generously not out of a sense of obligation or because I expect a "heavenly reward" but because I truly, deeply WANT to give JUST for the sake of giving.

How do I get there?


I really do admire your honesty brother. Don't worry about anybody elses reasons for giving. Make sure your heart is right with the Lord. Ask Him to give you a heart that is concerned about what He's concerned about. Give with the right attitude because God loves a cheerful giver. There are so many areas where you could bless people - many very good charities. There are children who need food and clothes, there are brothers and sisters on the mission field who need help - there are families who are struggling to make ends meet probably at your home church. The list is endless. There are Pregnancy Centers who help young unwed mothers so they don't opt for abortion. These are things that touch the heart of God. Ask Him to show you. When you respond to the direction of the Holy Spirit, you yourself will be blessed beyond measure.

It's just an awsome privledge to be able to bless others.

[kgreen20]

ok lets put it this way its the same reason when people get mad that a preacher comes driving a mercedes to church, his church has 1000+ members and growing, we ask someone should he be driving that? hes a preacher preachers dont drive nice things or own nice things they need to focus on God. Then we ask what about someone like bill gates is it ok for him to drive a mercedes? well yes because he earned it. ok first off do you think the pastor hasnt earned it since his church is growing, and he focuses on God, but he decides he wants a nice car, so because he's a Christian he automatically shouldnt have one?



That's a very good question. A lot of Christians seem to think that being a minister or evangelist means taking vows of poverty. If you're financially prosperous, you're living in sin. I can't really see that the Bible says that, although it does warn against the love of money and being covetous.



Kathy G.

[nooneuno]

God has blessed you for a reason. You have absolutely no reason to feel guilty.

:nod

[antitox]

I would never feel guilty about being rich unless I was hoarding it and not using it properly. There are times when you may feel guilty but that's a man-problem - due to our fallen nature and the western church's perception of material things. Just because you feel that does not mean God is doing it. Satan is the one that loves to do that because he doesn't want the church to have any money, so he wants you to feel like you shouldn't have it; it's all part of his robbery scheming. (There are many religious perspectives that still remain in church thought from the many years of its existence that are not necessarily God inspired, yet they are spoken and unspoken patterns of thinking).

[prairiedog]

For starters, Abraham was considered to be a wealthy man in his day. And we all know how God & Abraham felt about each other.

The key there is: Obedience to the Lord.

About tithing: Don't worry about "losing" 10% of your income. You will never miss it even if you were living paycheck to paycheck because the Lord blesses you for it.

Remember the Miracle of the five loaves and two fish? This is what I always keep in mind when I tithe. And even when finances are tight, everything works out fine and I know it is the Hand of God at work.

[prairiedog]

Also, money is not the root of all evil. It is the love of money that's the root of all evil.

[Slippery]

God has blessed you for a reason. You have absolutely no reason to feel guilty. There are people He has chosen to bless in a financial way so they can be obedient to Him with their finances. He has blessed you to BE a blessing to others. Pray about what He would have you do. There are many, many people/charities who need finances. You were not gifted (it appears) to be a missionary in another country trying to spread the gospel. But He has appointed missionaries and that takes money.

Ask Him what it is HE wants/needs you to do.

Don't ever feel guilty about blessings from the Lord :hug


Patty
well said. David, Solomon, and Lazarus are good examples of being wealthy and being a believer. Its simply a matter of using your resources to worship God with.

[Lonewolf7]

Deuteronomy 8:18
But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, ..............

Proverbs 10:4
Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.

[elredcrow]

The Lord sent Moses to lead the Jews into a land flowing with milk and honey... that doesn't sound like poverty to me. Solomon was wealthy and wise and the Lord loved him. Abraham was wealthy. Many others.

I hear people complain about preachers being wealthy and I don't understand it. Jesus broke the curse of poverty on our lives when He died on the cross. He REDEEMED us from everything we lost when we were cast out of the garden of Eden.

We are co-heirs with Him. If the Lord blesses someone with wealth, that wealthy person is also accountable to the Lord for spreading that wealth around to others that are in need in a responsible way. Doesn't mean he has to give up everything, but he should be willing to. There's a difference. Having money is not a sin. The love of money is the sin. The servant that increased the talents he was given was rewarded the most.

There are numerous scriptures that speak about blessings being poured out on His people. God wants to bless us.

[antsinmypants]

Jesus broke the curse of poverty on our lives when He died on the cross.


Poverty is not a curse, and it wasn't something that Y'shua "broke" while on the tree.
There were many poor in the first congregations.. MANY, and everyone helped each other out.. such has been for the last almost 3,000 years. I've been poor, so poor living paycheck to paycheck was a laugh, because we didn't even have $1 between paychecks for food sometimes, and were lucky my mom had stored food away in cans and as noodles and stuff so we'd have food growing up.

My dad lost his job, and the rest of us were supporting each other and our home, and trying to get our renters to pay in TX. We were so poor, that we made living in the military look like being rich at E-6 status.
Sure, dad had jobs here and there, and G-d did take care of us and when another bill came that we had no $$ for, He took care of it by having people give us $$ anonymously, or in person, or food where we didn't have $$ to get it with, or even clothes when my sister and I needed them and said "now how G-d?".

Yes, we were cared for, abundantly, but we were all making 18,000 or less, and BARELY enough to cover the house payment... for a year.
Then my dad and we were very blessed to have a door open (only by the grace of YHVH) and a job present itself, yes, much less pay than before, but enough that we're making the bills and having food on the table and sometimes a little extra to go out and eat here and there.

I know my birthday and thanksgiving will be VERY tight, but I really don't even care. I have clothes, food and a roof, and a family that loves me very much, and a G-d that has cared for me almost 23 years... I AM rich, in him, even if i'm poor on this earth.

Remember John Wesley, Tyndale... anyone in the last 2,000 years who were believers in Europe? Many of them weren't rich either. Very poor indeed, but rich in family, life and in the L-rd.

Rich doesn't always come in money format, but in spirit and Joy that comes only from YHVH El.

Life is hard because of sin, and we were warned in Eden about it, and G-d said it would be fixed when He restores the earth in the end.

Yes, He wishes us all well, and gives us everything we have, and an ability to attain more, but our focus should be Him, and not attaining more than we need unless we're blessing others with what we don't.

There are many verses that talk about how we should help others rather than just live and do nothing with what we have.

The servant that increased the talents he was given was rewarded the most.

That's because he was actually doing what the Master said to, rather than hiding it, or not using his talents (gifts of reasoning etc to do his job).

We each have jobs, and we each have gifts, and we all function differently in The Body. Not all are the "best vessels" some are the vessels that aren't so "great" in some people's eyes.

[Becky]

The Lord sent Moses to lead the Jews into a land flowing with milk and honey... that doesn't sound like poverty to me. Solomon was wealthy and wise and the Lord loved him. Abraham was wealthy. Many others.That was a blessing He bestowed on them. You are not the Nation of Israel and you were not among them.

I hear people complain about preachers being wealthy and I don't understand it. Jesus broke the curse of poverty on our lives when He died on the cross. He REDEEMED us from everything we lost when we were cast out of the garden of Eden.You have no scripture to back this up and please tell this to the missionary in a foreign country that is poor. You should be ashamed of yourself. :tsk

We are co-heirs with Him. If the Lord blesses someone with wealth, that wealthy person is also accountable to the Lord for spreading that wealth around to others that are in need in a responsible way. Doesn't mean he has to give up everything, but he should be willing to. There's a difference. Having money is not a sin. The love of money is the sin. The servant that increased the talents he was given was rewarded the most. We are adopted sons and daughters of God. Jesus is God the Son. Having money is not a sin but what you DO with can be a sin. For instance, the Word of Faith people seem to think living the high life is what God wants them to do, taking money from poor widows so they can live in a mansion. :tsk That is a sin and they will be held accountable for this outrage.


There are numerous scriptures that speak about blessings being poured out on His people. God wants to bless us.Yes, God wants to bless us but most of the time it is not in monetary gain. Read those scriptures that you are talking about again and you will see this.

Word of Faith: They are a cult and they are greedy.

[MindieRose]

God has blessed you for a reason. You have absolutely no reason to feel guilty. There are people He has chosen to bless in a financial way so they can be obedient to Him with their finances. He has blessed you to BE a blessing to others. Pray about what He would have you do. There are many, many people/charities who need finances. You were not gifted (it appears) to be a missionary in another country trying to spread the gospel. But He has appointed missionaries and that takes money.

Ask Him what it is HE wants/needs you to do.

Don't ever feel guilty about blessings from the Lord :hug


Patty

I agree Patty :thumb

If there werent Christians that were blessed with a lot of money/resources then who would fund the missionaries and churches and get the word of God out to all of the nations and reach people that are difficult to reach? Missionaries need to eat, churches need buildings, paper, electricity, Bibles, and all of those things cost money. If your blessings are from the Lord, as long as you are not being greedy and you are using your blessings to bring glory to God, then you should not feel guilty.

[lookup]

Just something to consider when deciding where to direct your tithe:

As someone who has been on a church board, I can understand the frustration of struggling to meet expenses in the local church when those expenses would easily be met if the membership faithfully tithed. If everyone, rich or poor, young or old, would give their 10% to the place where they go to worship and grow in the Lord and His Word, not only would the general overhead expenses of running a church be met- but I can almost guarantee there would be some left over for outreach and blessing even more people.

I do believe it is important to give to other ministries and charities- but I think our first commitment should be to the place responsible for providing primary spiritual care and feeding to ourselves and our families.

[MindieRose]

Agreed, because what good is it to feed and clothe a man, and never reach him with the word?

[MindieRose]

Another thought to add... God blesses some with lots of money, and others in other areas, whatever God blesses us with, we should be thankful and not envious. Sometimes, when someone has a lot of material wealth, God will ask them to give it up, or part of it. Doesnt mean he wants them poor, just means God likes to know that He is #1 in their lives. God often asks us to sacrifice something that has us bound or that is replacing Him in our lives. The only way that we can be truely blessed, and truely at peace is when God comes first. Money is not the sin, its the love of money.

[Timothy]

To be more direct, I'm going to change the question - "is it a sin to be wealthy?" The direct answer is most definitely "no."

It should be remembered, obviously, that being wealthy can be a snare, and is temporal.

I Timothy 6:9-10 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

II Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The Apostle Paul gave specific instructions to those who are rich. Note that he doesn't tell them it is a sin to be rich. He tells them not to not be highminded, and have a gratuitous heart.

I Timothy 6:17-18 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate

At the same time, Paul also makes a charge to make provision for your own family.

I Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

By providing and serving their family, while doing "as unto the Lord," (Colossians 3:23) there will be some that excel financially, as a result. Some may view providing as being able to fund their children's education, etc. Everyone has a different set of unique "skills," and as a result....

Some will be regular employees...

Ephesians 6:5-7 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men

Some will be managers, business owners, etc.

Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

[Becky]

It is not a sin to have money but it is a sin to be proud with it and not remain humble. That is a problem that is seen in these luxurious ministries where the widows are giving money for the pastor to live in a mansion. :nod

[lookup]

To be more direct, I'm going to change the question - "is it a sin to be wealthy?" The direct answer is most definitely "no."

It should be remembered, obviously, that being wealthy can be a snare, and is temporal.

I Timothy 6:9-10 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

II Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The Apostle Paul gave specific instructions to those who are rich. Note that he doesn't tell them it is a sin to be rich. He tells them not to not be highminded, and have a gratuitous heart.

I Timothy 6:17-18 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate

At the same time, Paul also makes a charge to make provision for your own family.

I Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

By providing and serving their family, while doing "as unto the Lord," (Colossians 3:23) there will be some that excel financially, as a result. Some may view providing as being able to fund their children's education, etc. Everyone has a different set of unique "skills," and as a result....

Some will be regular employees...

Ephesians 6:5-7 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men

Some will be managers, business owners, etc.

Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.


:clap

excellent post

[antsinmypants]

Another thought to add... God blesses some with lots of money, and others in other areas, whatever God blesses us with, we should be thankful and not envious. Sometimes, when someone has a lot of material wealth, God will ask them to give it up, or part of it. Doesnt mean he wants them poor, just means God likes to know that He is #1 in their lives. God often asks us to sacrifice something that has us bound or that is replacing Him in our lives. The only way that we can be truely blessed, and truely at peace is when God comes first. Money is not the sin, its the love of money.


Exactly.

And a sacrifice, is not one that we just didn't have to give something of ourselves that was "costly" to us in some way shape or form.

That's why in the OT we see "give a lamb, dove/pigeon, ox of YOUR herd/flock" - because it is a personal sacrifice of giving, and it does impact your life as well as others... as G-d's sacrifice was giving of Himself to us as well.

An offering is giving to give.
A sacrifice, is giving something that costs you something. That's why saying "dear L-rd, if you just let me win the lottery.." isn't a sacrifice.

Sacrifice:
3 a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else b : something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by parents>

self-sac·ri·fice
1: sacrifice of oneself or one's interest for others or for a cause or ideal

Offering:
1 a : to present as an act of worship or devotion
b : to utter (as a prayer) in devotion

tithe :
1 : to pay or give a tenth part


Remember the widow and her mite, she gave all she had. That was a true sacrifice for her, as there was no other substance to give to help people.
Unlike the rich dudes who walked and jingled and let everyone know of their offering. She did it without recognition of anyone other than G-d (and Y'shua).

I know i'm not expressing it well this morning, and I am trying. (:lol, really I am)

G-d does love to know we have him as #1. Think of it, we're the Bride of Messiah.. He's our husband...
There's a set priority for our lives, and even if we are in a physical marital relationship, He is ALWAYS number one, and our priority even over what is happening right now in our lives.

Husbands and wives make sacrifices for each other, and do nice things for each other, even without thinking sometimes of what they will get out of it.

How much more, should we live like that for our messiah?

:):

[Timothy]

Here's an excellent study on tithing, from a dispensational approach...

:):

How Much Money Should You Give God?

By Pastor Richard Jordan


The issue of giving to the Lord is one that is greatly misunderstood and about which there is much false teaching today. For the most part, Christian teachers have taken two approaches to giving. Either they talk about it constantly and make it the only measure of faith and blessing or they completely ignore the issue because they don't want to be accused of being a "money hungry preacher". Neither approach is proper. What is needed is a careful study of what God has to say about giving.



The Root of All Evil

In the Apostle Paul's first letter to Timothy he speaks of the danger of money.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Notice that the danger in money is not the money itself, but rather our attitude about it. If in our own conscience, material gain is more important than the truth of God's Word we are on the road to erring from the faith and rejecting God's truth for filthy lucre's sake. In the Old Testament we see the leadership of the nation Israel rejecting God's truth for the reward of material gain. They made judgments based, not on God's truth, but on who was the highest bidder.

Micah 3:9-11 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity. They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity. The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say Is not the LORD among us? None evil can come upon us.

In Paul's day the propensity of man to sell out the truth is seen in men like Demetrius, who was more concerned about his craft of idol-making than about who was really the living and true God.

Acts 19:24-27 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

Rather than abandoning the truth for monetary gain, and making money our God, we should be using our money to promote the truth of God. Paul gives very specific instructions in his epistles about where our affections, and therefore our money, should be focused.

Colossians 3:1,2 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

1 Timothy 6:17,18 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy: That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

As we begin to look at the details of how much money we should give God, it is important that we keep in mind the general attitude that is to be evident in our dealings with our material goods. We should view our goods as tools to be used to further God's truth. Where our affections are will determine where our money goes.



The Attitude of Grace Giving

Under the law and kingdom programs the motivation to give to the Lord was fear. As with all other areas of the law, Israel was motivated to service in giving by the promise of blessing and the fear of cursing. This principle as it applies to giving can be clearly seen in the message to Israel from the prophet Malachi.

Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The fear factor can also be clearly seen in the kingdom program in the account of Ananias and Sapphira. After these people had lied about their commitment of giving, and been struck dead for their sin, we read the following sobering statement concerning the attitude of the kingdom church.

Acts 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

It is easy to see how this type of curse for disobedience could bring fear to those that were living under this system. If we faced the possibility of being struck dead for failing to give properly to the Lord, we would certainly be very careful to give properly and very fearful about the consequences if we give improperly.

In addition to motivating out of fear, the giving of the law made God a debtor to the giver. Notice that in the passage above from Malachi, God says to Israel, "prove me". Giving, and for that matter all obedience under the law, makes God a debtor to the person performing the obedience. When a person obeys God's commandment under the law God becomes obligated to give him the appropriate blessing.

Thus God tells Israel to "prove" him, to demonstrate his faithfulness in giving the blessing He had promised. Giving, like all obedience under grace is not motivated by fear but by love. The motivation to serve in the Age of Grace is clearly set forth by the Apostle Paul in his second letter to the church at Corinth.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

Our motivation to serve under grace should never be out of fear of being cursed by God. Fear of a curse is not a valid reason to serve the Lord in this Age of Grace. In addition, since God has already given us all the blessings which he has for us in this life, there can be no promise of additional blessing for obedience.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

As we can clearly see, we are not in a position of waiting for blessing in this Age of Grace, we have already been blessed in Christ. Because of this, our giving is no longer a way to prove God, it has now become a way to prove us. Notice carefully what Paul says to the church at Corinth as he writes to them about their giving toward a gift being taken for the poor saints at Jerusalem.

2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

Notice that giving in the Age of Grace is a means by which we are proved, not a means by which we prove God. Our attitude about giving in the Age of Grace is to be that we are giving out of a heart of love and gratitude for what God has already graciously done for us. Our giving must never be motivated by the fear of judgment or to try to gain additional blessing from God.



The Amount of Grace Giving

In time past, under the law and kingdom economies, the amount of giving was specified in great detail. In the book of Deuteronomy God gave Israel a specific percentage for their giving.

Deuteronomy 14:22,27,28 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. . . . And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. . . . At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year , and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

Time does not permit us to go into great detail on these issues, but as we study the passage above and others like it, it becomes evident that Israel was commanded to give 20% every year and 30% every third year. In addition, there were many other required givings under the law as well as the opportunity to give free will offerings.

As the kingdom is presented as being "at hand" in the earthly ministry of Christ and early Acts, the level of giving is increased dramatically.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 12:32,33a Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms:...

Acts 2:44,45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

While the amount of giving in these two circumstances is different, it is clear that in each instance the specific amount was plainly spelled out. There could be no misunderstanding about the amount of giving God demanded under the law and kingdom programs. And, as we saw in the last section, those requirements were enforced with some very severe punishments if they were not met.

In this Age of Grace, we see no such commandments concerning the amount of our giving to the Lord. The Apostle Paul does, however, give us some principals which should guide us in determining the amount of our giving.

2 Corinthians 9:6,7 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Notice that in the above passage, Paul tells us that we are to purpose in our hearts. That means that we should prayerfully consider how much we can give to the Lord's work, just as we would consider any other financial commitment that we would make.

Our giving should be with a plan and a purpose, not based on how much we happen to have in our wallet on Sunday morning. Notice also that our giving is to be cheerful. You should give God as much as you can give Him and still have a cheerful attitude about it. If you can give $100 cheerfully, but you begrudge the 101st dollar then you should stop at $100. It is far better to give $100 with the proper attitude than $1,000,000 with a grudging heart.

Finally, we must remember that we will reap in direct proportion to where we sow. If we "invest" in spiritual things we will reap eternal, spiritual reward.

If we spend our money on corruptible things they, like all the rest of the world, will one day melt with a fervent heat. The amount or our giving in the Age of Grace is not governed by a specific regulation, as it was under the law and kingdom economies. The amount of our giving today is based upon the principles of grace revealed to us in Paul's epistles.



The Answer to Grace Giving

There is perhaps no greater blasphemy being taught today, and no greater sham being perpetrated on an unsuspecting public than the teaching of many preachers that God will somehow reward you with financial gain if you give to the Lord.

As with so much other false teaching today, this teaching comes from trying to apply the principles of the law to the Age of Grace. If you reread the passage from Malachi quoted earlier you will see that God did clearly promise a physical blessing to Israel if they would give of their tithes.

Nowhere in scripture is the Church, the Body of Christ, promised material gain as a result of our giving. In fact, in the life of the Apostle Paul, quite the opposite is true. Paul gave more to the cause of Christ than perhaps any other man that has ever lived, and yet he suffered great depravation. Paul went from a wealthy Pharisee at the top of Jewish society to a poor apostle who often didn't know where his next meal was coming from.

Galatians 1:13,14a For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation. . . .

2 Corinthians 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

What we can expect to receive as a result of our sacrificial giving is eternal glory

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:

Don't let anyone con you into giving them money for ministry with the false promise that God will return it "good measure, pressed down and shaken together, and running over".

As you give to the Lord, you should not be looking for material gain but rather eternal spiritual glory.

Giving in the Age of Grace is honored by God only if it is done in accord with the principles of grace and not in accord with the instructions for the law and the kingdom.

We must be sure that we are giving with the proper attitude, after carefully considering the amount, and that we are expecting the right answer from God in response to our giving.

[StinkerBell]

well....I am just in a mood today to post and give everyone my pennies worth....

Wealth is very subjective....what we call low class here in the states is considered to other areas of the world has a luxury life style.

[antsinmypants]

Wealth is very subjective....what we call low class here in the states is considered to other areas of the world has a luxury life style.

:nod Very true.
People in Spain thought everyone (yes, everyone) in the USA were rich because we always were on the phone talking or buying clothes and stuff on tv shows and on talk-shows.

Little did they know that phone calls locally are FREE (unlike there) and clothes were quite inexpensive at Wal-mart, KMart and some stores as shown on TV...

Wealth can definitely be subjective!

[SeaDreamer]

She's unable post due to computer problems so Hyssop wanted me to send cyber hugs to Ants and Becky for their excellent posts. :hug


G26, it's possible the Holy Spirit is convicting you on your attitude about possessions/giving and not the actual fact that you have a lot of money. He has been dealing with me on this very issue.


The thing we also have to realize is what we consider blessings may not be God's version of blessings. I may give tons of money with seemingly no earthly reward from God for it. Learning to give cheerfully expecting nothing in return may BE the reward. Becoming Christ-like and learning to follow after Him as opposed to the flesh is a far greater reward than any earthly thing we may get.

And remember, nobody wakes up as a mature christian. It's usually a process of baby steps (a lot of them painful to our flesh) and just when you think you're close to arriving you'll realize just how far you have to go. :D:

Um, not that I have any experience or anything...ahem..... :redface :heh

[HeIsEnough]

G26,
Could you give it all away? You don't have to answer me, thats a question between you and God. And He may not even be asking it of you. I just feel this question will cut through all of the rationalizing we can do in our own hearts. You know what Jesus asked of the rich man, and you are probably aware of when He said "How hard it is for the rich to inherit the kingdom" to paraphrase. However, a very rich man was given the honor of holding our precious Lord and burying Him to.

I have found that the wanting of money is what is corrupt in me, not the money itself. It is an important issue for you, obviously. So honest prayer between you and the Lord will give you your answer. my 3.5 pennies anyway....God bless you.


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no, I have never been wealthy by any measure, so I want to be as honest as I can about it. and, btw, can you lend me some? :heh sorry, I could not resist, I hope it gave you a chuckle anyway. :hug

[StinkerBell]

well if you wnt you can give all your wealth l to me :evil

Of course if you think that will help.

[elredcrow]

That was a blessing He bestowed on them. You are not the Nation of Israel and you were not among them.

Becky, I did not say I was the Nation of Israel...I was trying to demonstrate that the Lord does not see wealth as a sin. He wants to bestow His blessings (including wealth) on His children. But I do believe that what the Lord did in leading the Jews to Canaan is a picture of what He does for us when we are saved. He leads us out of sin and into His kingdom. Sometimes some of us wander in the wilderness after being saved before we realize that there is a Promised Land we are supposed to be living in. I was one of those wanderers for 30 years.

You have no scripture to back this up and please tell this to the missionary in a foreign country that is poor. You should be ashamed of yourself. :tsk

Why should I be ashamed? Believe me, I am not living in wealth. I am not rolling in dough. But I believe that what Jesus did on the cross was more than salvation for my soul. He redeemed me from sin and enabled me to walk in His kingdom here on earth. When Jesus died on the cross, He redeemed the sin that began in the garden of Eden. There was a curse on the ground that man would have to toil painfully and by the sweat of his brow. A born again Christian is no longer under that curse because of what Jesus did on the cross. It doesn't mean poverty is going to disappear from the world. It doesn't mean that we don't have to work. It means that our work will be rewarded. "If you don't work, you don't eat." But His children should know that everything the Lord has to give us, He wants to give (both spiritual and physical) He gives both in His time, not ours. As for me, if it comes down to a choice between living in monetary wealth or being blessed spiritually, I would choose the spiritual. I could never go back to living without Him. But the Lord did tell us, bring your tithes into the store house and see if I won't pour out a blessing. When I tithe, I see financial gain. When I don't tithe, it seems that money becomes scarce. I can't explain it..except that He said it and I believe it. I know it is true in my life.

Why does everyone always bring up the 'poor missionary' living in some poor third world country? Lord! I would have been that missionary if I had honored God's call on my life when I was young. It is a calling, a choice to follow that calling. Why do you think America is such a wealthy country? I believe the USA is blessed because this nation was founded on Christian principles. Would you argue that? No, not everyone in America lives in luxury, but comparatively speaking, we live in absolute luxury compared to the Third world nations that are grounded in Islam, buddhism, etc. Even in America, the American Indians living on reservations for the most part live in poverty. They do not have a Christian heritage. The poor missionary called to those nations seems wealthy compared to those he/she goes to minister to. Missionaries not only go to preach and teach Jesus to the world, but to also bring material improvement, such as water wells, better housing, education, health care. This is wealth. Also, the wealthy Christian (and the poor Christians) give financially to missions to support their work.

I personally believe that America will cease to see so much blessing if we as a nation do not turn back to the Lord. Christians have been quiet for too long about critical issues like homosexuality, pre-marital and adulterous sex, etc. But that's just me and my thoughts.


We are adopted sons and daughters of God. Jesus is God the Son. Having money is not a sin but what you DO with can be a sin. For instance, the Word of Faith people seem to think living the high life is what God wants them to do, taking money from poor widows so they can live in a mansion. :tsk That is a sin and they will be held accountable for this outrage.

I said the same thing. Money is not evil. The love of money is the root of evil.

As for being co-heirs, Romans 8:17 says "Now if we are children, then we are heirs - heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. " Galatians 3:29: "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Jesus is the promise. Yes, in this world, we will have trouble, but take heart (be of good cheer) for Jesus has overcome the world. He helps us go through those troubles and learn and grow from them.

I am not an advocate of WOF. I don't believe though that every single pastor that is lumped into the WOF category is COMPLETELY off the mark about EVERYTHING. I don't think that anymore than I think that every Baptist preacher believes that miracles ceased and it's all about works. Of course, taking money from poor widows in order to better yourself is a sin. Of course, it is sin to deceive people in the name of Jesus. Scripture tells us to care for the elderly and widows. Anybody that is truly a Christian understands that concept. And not every member of a WOF church lives the high life or even thinks that they are supposed to. But they are at least willing to accept the truth that God intended for His children to live on this earth in Eden in a close intimate relationship with HIm. And to believe that what Jesus did on the cross restores those that accept Him as Savior and believe His Word to a relationship with Him that is supposed to have an Eden like intimacy and purpose and blessings. We are IN this world, not OF it. We are supposed to be different.

Yes, God wants to bless us but most of the time it is not in monetary gain. Read those scriptures that you are talking about again and you will see this.

Word of Faith: They are a cult and they are greedy.

Wealth is relative. The poor Iraqi children running naked in the streets in front of their mud huts see the children of the wealthy Iraqi's riding in cars and living in what to them are mansions. The parents of those so called wealthy Iraqi children are begging the 'wealthy American' to take their wealthy Iraqi children and adopt them and take them to America so that they can live in freedom. While the so called 'wealthy American' is wondering how he is going to pay his bills this month while his boss is driving a Jaguar and lives in a penthouse... and on and on and on. (don't think I am being facetious. This actually happened to my family when we lived in Baghdad)

Well.... you know... what we see as valuable and precious here will only be pavement in heaven.

Becky, I am not arguing here... just giving my opinion. I believe that there is more to God than any of us can begin to imagine. And that His Word is alive and relevant here and now. I love to discuss these things and enjoy learning from others and sharing what I learn. Sometimes, on this monster we call the internet, it is hard to express emotion well or to come across as we wish. It is never my intent to tear anyone down or hurt anyone's feelings or appear judgmental.

YSIC
Kathy

[Sam]

Still, I struggle with good "tithers" because quite often they do it because they feel that by giving they are "storing up treasures in heaven". Isn't that a self-centered reason for giving? I want to get to the point where I give freely and generously not out of a sense of obligation or because I expect a "heavenly reward" but because I truly, deeply WANT to give JUST for the sake of giving.

How do I get there?

You are right you must want to give with sincerity. Once you become more involved in your churches activities and realise what all the money is used for I believe you will want to give more generously.

[4everHis]

G26,
There is an easy answer to your questions. Simply listen to your heart and prayerfully follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

[cindyw]

ok lets put it this way its the same reason when people get mad that a preacher comes driving a mercedes to church, his church has 1000+ members and growing, we ask someone should he be driving that? hes a preacher preachers dont drive nice things or own nice things they need to focus on God. Then we ask what about someone like bill gates is it ok for him to drive a mercedes? well yes because he earned it. ok first off do you think the pastor hasnt earned it since his church is growing, and he focuses on God, but he decides he wants a nice car, so because he's a Christian he automatically shouldnt have one?

Nice and dependable are quite different from extravagant. Mercedes is known to be a "status" symbol car, not just a "nice" car. It is a "show piece" for wealth and success. Those types of things IMHO cause people who are struggling financially to stumble.

How should a preacher live? It should be a comfortable lifestyle in which they do not have to worry about how to provide for their family----if they are serving in FULL time ministry. However, many Pastors still work secular jobs while they minister---as Paul did. Nothing wrong with that either. I truly don't see how a "growing" church is reason for the minister to heap up more and more salary to appear "rich" and "blessed". I think that's taking license with that passage about the 'talents' to say if a Pastor has increases in his congregation he should benefit financially...........what if he is filling the congregation with "tares", which is happening more and more with the "mega churches" we see now?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not meant to be a means to excel financially. Again, that is just MHO, but scripturally speaking, NONE of the disciples appeared to be rich in any way. Paul even spoke of times of "lack" and he certainly wasn't operating in a "curse". Another note, KNOWING the thinkings of the Lost world-----that minister rip the people off to profit financially, why would a Godly man desire to continue this image. A Godly leader is to have a good report with those OUTSIDE the church (II Tim.3:7).

[ohappyday]

I do not believe God makes anyone rich. For the Bible says he causes it to rain on the just as well as the unjust. But mostly I believe this because God is not a respecter of persons. If he gave to one person and left the other down the road in proverty then he would be showing favor. What about the little children who die of hunger. That would make God cruel. I believe like in the book of acts, he expects the church, his children to take care of the poor. I've been poor all my life. Have never had enough of anything. Have went to bed many times hungery. I still found ways to give. If not money, time, doing things for those who couldn't. There are some who every thing they put their hand to produces money. I've had those come to me and tell me will God wants to bless you but you must be doing this are not doing that, and its got his hands tied. I felt so guilty for many years over this. Untill I realized its not my fault, it wasn't my mothers fault are Gods. I know now the poor of this world is a opertunity for the rich to add some stars in their crowns. Don't feel guilty about having money, its no sin. Instead look at your giving. Start looking for ways to bless others around you. You will be amazed at how good it feels.

[Signs & Wonders]

I'm a person who has seen both sides of this coin. I grew up of very humble means. Sometimes my parents didn't know if we were going to have electricity or food on the table.

Then as I got on my own, my husband and I did very well and before I knew it I had three homes, the cars, jewelry, etc. I tithed, I donated, and helped whenever someone asked me.

A few years ago my husband and I separated and he wanted a divorce. Things got bad. During that time my three boys and I lived in a modest apartment with very little furniture, my car almost blew up, and I was financially struggling. At one point I had to cash in change (thank goodness for those jars of coins) to get gas and food.

Now after a two and half year divorce, I'm back on my feet. I have my first money paying job in 11 years, I was a stay at home mom . I have a nice home, a good car, and I pay the bills. Praise God!

So, I've seen riches ... I've seen rags and in between. What I learned (and sometimes this was tough) is that through it all I've had to keep my focus on my relationship with the Lord! Its all about HIM, not money, not even my own needs (because sometimes what I think are needs are really desires).

I tithed and helped many while I had fortunes, but I also still tried to give of what little I had when I had nothing really to give (so I gave my time, mostly). Oh what Joy it is to give as the Lord leads you to.

I have learned so many things. All of these things I could sum up into this.

37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'


When you follow these Wonderful words of Jesus your giving comes naturally not because of obligations or guilt but because you want to, because you long to have that Joy in your heart when you do give. When you love the Lord, He leads you in everything and that includes giving, tithing, and spending your money in general. Keep in mind that sometimes the Lord will lead you to refrain from giving outside your tithe. I found that hard to follow sometimes as I'm a people pleaser and at one time I would give to anyone who asked (which is not the right thing to do).

I think the true test for me is now that I look back to the last few years ... I was living pay check to pay check (behind on bills), I had very little to my name, I went through a divorce (final this last May) and I lost my Dad in March :cry . It was tough and I was hurting but through it ALL, I still had the Peace that ONLY JESUS can give. Now I'm doing well and things are looking pretty good for me and my boys - Thank you, Jesus! :clap

I have found that its not about money or "things" its about a relationship with Jesus! :):

Praise Jesus the Prince of Peace! :clap :clap :clap

[Robin]

On a "strictly 10%" of income basis I'd have to say I do not tithe. I'm a "newbie" Christian in the sense that I've only recently begun taking my faith seriously. I used to give ZERO... now I give "sporadically" based on my mood. I know that seems like a lazy and sinful way to look at giving but I'm getting better.

I am still immature as a Christian in the sense that If I have an extra $5 thousand on hand and I have the choice to give it to a charity or buy a new "toy" I'd still go for the toy and then perhaps give a couple hundred bucks to the charity. VERY sad, I know.

I often wonder why I am so willing to pay HUGE amounts to uncle sam each year and yet only grudingly give to charity oranizations or the church. My heart is in the wrong place.. but I slowly feel the tug towards correcting that situation.

Still, I struggle with good "tithers" because quite often they do it because they feel that by giving they are "storing up treasures in heaven". Isn't that a self-centered reason for giving? I want to get to the point where I give freely and generously not out of a sense of obligation or because I expect a "heavenly reward" but because I truly, deeply WANT to give JUST for the sake of giving.

How do I get there?

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him." James 1:5

Ask the Lord to help you live your life in light of eternity, to teach you how to be a good steward, and love and support the things that really matter to Him. Ask Him to change your heart and give you new eyes...He's able!

[thatBPguy]

To be honest, I have not read the thread so far- just the original post- so I may be stating a lot of what has been said.

It's certainly no sin or crime to have money. To me, the issue is what one does with their money. I beleive, in ALL areas (and money being one of those areas) that to one who is given much, much is owed.

We are all called to be wise & prudent with our money and we are called to tithe (no set amount per se, but as lead- also, my suggestion is not to let immediate emotions carry you away with tithe. Put the matter to prayer and over time, God will lead you), to help those in need as well as other gifts. Now this does not mean a life of poverty or to give your money away, but let me make an observation that comes from scripture...

If a person has $100 to their name and gives $10 (the 10% is purely for example), they give more than a person who has $1,000,000 and gives $1,000. I would say the first person's heart is in 'giving' and the second is not.

That said, what about luxury? Do this- read, study & memorize the scriptures, cultivate a prayer life and seek to know God with all your heart. Do this and then simply ask God about this situation. I am confidant He will show you what He wants. Be patient and wait on Him. I personally can't think of any reason why one cannot have some luxuries in their lives if God has given to them liberally. Just follow God and I am sure all will be aright.

[cameron222]

What is luxury? Having a telephone, a car, a house, food on the table?

Much of what we call necessities today, would have been luxuries in my childhood of the fifties. Today, even Americans in poverty might have a computer with an internet connection and most likely the poor will have a car, a telephone and a television. All luxuries.

I agree with others that its not the money that's the problem. Its the heart of the christian and the value he/she places on the money. Money will buy a car that will drive you to rob a bank or drive you to a church service. Its the driver that determines the destination.

[crtwhlfrchrst]

One of our local churches has had a boom of popularity in the community. They really pack in the thousands at every sermon! As far as I've heard, they have sound doctrine. But they use their money to really spruce up their church. They have many buildings to begin with - and in one they have a bookstore that is fancier than any stand-alone bookstore I've ever seen. They have a coffee shop to rival Starbucks - and they have PLASMA TV SCREENS in every nook and crany - their bookstore alone has at least six!

Now, my question is - with all the millions of dollars they put into high-teching their church, how many homeless could they feed and clothe? How many missions could they sponsor? It is a wonderful thing when God blesses a church financially - so wonderful, that I would be VERY cautious what I spent it on! TV Screens or "the least of these?" WWJD? Personally, I would have left the church had I been a member when I saw where my tithes were going. I don't think the church building needs to be that fancy! Frankly, I am a little concerned about this new breed of "Church-Mart" as I call it. So easy in these mega-churches for people to fall through the cracks!

[cameron222]

"Church Mart" :lol I like that!

[cindyw]

Frankly, I am a little concerned about this new breed of "Church-Mart" as I call it. So easy in these mega-churches for people to fall through the cracks!

The thing is these types of churches are doing nothing more than catering to the "flesh". Jesus said to LEAVE ALL to follow Him. Jesus didn't use worldly enticements to draw others to Him. Why do many in the church feel that is what we should be doing? This "new thing" for a "modern society" is anti-biblical. It IMHO, seems to feed the "religious" spirit, which says "I showed up at church like a 'good' Christian and I got a little "religion" into my kids while they had lots of fun".

My son said something to me recently about our last church vs. our present church..........."Mom, our last church was so much more fun than this church, but I didn't learn so much about the Bible as I do here"........That spoke volumes to me and also opened up dialogue as to what really SHOULD be the focus of God's people---- and it aint the flesh and "fun"...........though you can have fun while teaching/learning the Word of God.

[SeaDreamer]

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him." James 1:5

Ask the Lord to help you live your life in light of eternity, to teach you how to be a good steward, and love and support the things that really matter to Him. Ask Him to change your heart and give you new eyes...He's able!


Be prepared though....this may be a painful process. The path isn't called narrow for nothing. The rewards are great though and everlasting. :thumb