Kirk Cameron last night on TBN

[Singlesis]

I realize most of us were watching Bush's speech, as I was. But I had to keep flipping back and forth to catch Kirk and Ray Comfort on PTL last night. Kirk interviewed his sister Kandace who is now a Christian. But I was most intrigued by the guest John MacAurthor (http://www.gty.org). Does anyone know much about him?

They talked about a book of his entitled "Hard to Believe". Anyone read it? From what they said, it seems to refute the whole PDL Seeker-Sensitive gospel. He was very bold and truthful, and quoted how Jesus directly contradicted the claims of WOF!!!! I was cheering and shouting, he was holding back no punches. I will be amazed if they allow him back on PTL.

Did anyone else catch any of this? He was awesome...

[sarahbeth]

I didn't see it Singlesis, but I love John MacArthur!!!! He is a very sound teacher of the word. He is on radio quite a bit.

Here is a link to his ministry and I think you can listen to the daily broadcast there.

http://gracetoyou.com/

friends, Sarah

[onsolidrock]

The only problem that I have with John MacArthur is that he takes anti Pentecostal too far to the point of saying thar Pentecostals are not saved. Although Pentecostals are wrong on a lot of issues it is not a salvation issue.

[antsinmypants]

The only problem that I have with John MacArthur is that he takes anti Pentecostal too far to the point of saying thar Pentecostals are not saved. Although Pentecostals are wrong on a lot of issues it is not a salvation issue.

YES. I have a problem with that too, not to mention I used one of his books on 1 Corinthians and what he was explaining about the veiling of women flew in the face of history and almost completely disregarded how things were, so while I was doing my study I couldn't quote him in full.. but those things which were in agreement with scripture and in agreement with 1st century believers.

He's very dispensationalist and almost (not quite) 5 points calvanist.
I have issues with that myself. :wacko (not going there).

I'm sure there are those on here that could fill you in better. :nod

[Maria]

I realize most of us were watching Bush's speech, as I was. But I had to keep flipping back and forth to catch Kirk and Ray Comfort on PTL last night. Kirk interviewed his sister Kandace who is now a Christian. But I was most intrigued by the guest John MacAurthor (http://www.gty.org). Does anyone know much about him?

They talked about a book of his entitled "Hard to Believe". Anyone read it? From what they said, it seems to refute the whole PDL Seeker-Sensitive gospel. He was very bold and truthful, and quoted how Jesus directly contradicted the claims of WOF!!!! I was cheering and shouting, he was holding back no punches. I will be amazed if they allow him back on PTL.

Did anyone else catch any of this? He was awesome...

I unfortunately missed... I am in Florida and we have been preparing for the worst... :(:

[MNGirl]

The only problem that I have with John MacArthur is that he takes anti Pentecostal too far to the point of saying thar Pentecostals are not saved. Although Pentecostals are wrong on a lot of issues it is not a salvation issue.

I know it is a work of fiction, but in the Christ Clone Trilogy, one of the 144,000 makes a statment to the effect that the Church before the Rapture was too busy with their internal divisions and disputes to be much use in evangelizing. That made me sit bolt upright. I am a Pentacostal and grateful every day to Jesus for dying for me and all my brothers and sisters in Him no matter if they are "tongues talkin', faith walkin'" or not.

[Singlesis]

I unfortunately missed... I am in Florida and we have been preparing for the worst... :(:

Of course. And we are praying for you all. (I was also flipping back to the weather station too!) :hug

I had just never heard of him before, and was amazed at how boldly he was refuting WOF doctrine and the new "seeker-sensitive" stuff. Not usually what you hear on TBN.

[chris_h]

Yes, Dr. MacArthur is a very good Bible teacher! I didn't know he was close to Calvinist, but aside from that he is a very good teacher.

sarahbeth, you got his address wrong. It's http://www.gty.org/

[holyspiritvesse]

I watched until I started dozing 45 min in. It was good. I agree this inner fighting in the Church is not the way to go.

I hear people say sometimes 'why we are Baptists'. I remind them salvation is not exclusive to Baptists... such narrowmindedness.

Now, NEXT Wednesday night at 10 PM on TBN, one of the best youth evangelists in America will be on with Ron Luce for Youth Night.

His name is Clayton King. www.claytonking.com

Awesome preacher/evangelist! A product of a 15yr old that was raped, but chose life and gave Clayton up for adoption, allowing Clayton to be raised in a Godly home. He's been preaching since he was 15.. Very funny guy.

Mark your calendars.. You'll be blessed!

[Workfromhomemom]

I realize most of us were watching Bush's speech, as I was. But I had to keep flipping back and forth to catch Kirk and Ray Comfort on PTL last night. Kirk interviewed his sister Kandace who is now a Christian. But I was most intrigued by the guest John MacAurthor (http://www.gty.org). Does anyone know much about him?

They talked about a book of his entitled "Hard to Believe". Anyone read it? From what they said, it seems to refute the whole PDL Seeker-Sensitive gospel. He was very bold and truthful, and quoted how Jesus directly contradicted the claims of WOF!!!! I was cheering and shouting, he was holding back no punches. I will be amazed if they allow him back on PTL.

Did anyone else catch any of this? He was awesome...

He claims to be dispensational yet, from someone who is (namely ME), he has compromised so much that he is hardly recognizable as a dispy. He calls himself a "leaky" dispensationalist. His site for his views on dispy (http://www.biblebb.com/macqaindex/d.htm)

He also has the gospel message out of whack... JMO :(
http://www.withchrist.org/MJS/macarthu.htm
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/macarthur/
http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1993ii/faith-works.html


But, OTOH, he has spoken out quite forcefully against the PDC/PDL junk and that is always helpful... :D
http://www33.brinkster.com/museltof/seekersensitive.html


:):

[Maria]

The only problem that I have with John MacArthur is that he takes anti Pentecostal too far to the point of saying thar Pentecostals are not saved. Although Pentecostals are wrong on a lot of issues it is not a salvation issue.

Just wondering, what lots of issues do you see Pentecostals being wrong...?

[sandy111]

we might want to start another thread maria!
but one thing I disagree with pentecostals is that
you are filled with the HS later after salvation.

I believe you are filled when you become saved.
oh yes, and pushing the tongues issue so hard. for some its awfuly confusing, not all speak in tongues many feel like something is wrong with them cause they've been told everyone does.

[Willo]

Just wondering, what lots of issues do you see Pentecostals being wrong...?

can of worms Here we go again :nod ,

[cinlynn]

I watched until I started dozing 45 min in. It was good. I agree this inner fighting in the Church is not the way to go.

I hear people say sometimes 'why we are Baptists'. I remind them salvation is not exclusive to Baptists... such narrowmindedness.

Now, NEXT Wednesday night at 10 PM on TBN, one of the best youth evangelists in America will be on with Ron Luce for Youth Night.

His name is Clayton King. www.claytonking.com

Awesome preacher/evangelist! A product of a 15yr old that was raped, but chose life and gave Clayton up for adoption, allowing Clayton to be raised in a Godly home. He's been preaching since he was 15.. Very funny guy.

Mark your calendars.. You'll be blessed!


:nod Clayton King is an awesome youth leader/evangelist! He does the RiverBlast Youth rally each year.. Well, usually. It was another guy this year... and he was good too.

Clayton got 2nd degree burns on his hands and arms back in July. I have wondered if that is why he wasn't at RiverBlast this year.

[chris_h]

He claims to be dispensational yet, from someone who is (namely ME), he has compromised so much that he is hardly recognizable as a dispy. He calls himself a "leaky" dispensationalist. His site for his views on dispy (http://www.biblebb.com/macqaindex/d.htm)

He also has the gospel message out of whack... JMO :(
http://www.withchrist.org/MJS/macarthu.htm
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/macarthur/
http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1993ii/faith-works.html


But, OTOH, he has spoken out quite forcefully against the PDC/PDL junk and that is always helpful... :D
http://www33.brinkster.com/museltof/seekersensitive.html


:): After being warned by a friend that he's a "hyper-Calvinist," I've been doing some research, and he most certainly is.

http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-19-6.htm

I agree with him on PDL/PDC, but that's about it.

[Maria]

we might want to start another thread maria!
but one thing I disagree with pentecostals is that
you are filled with the HS later after salvation.

I believe you are filled when you become saved.
oh yes, and pushing the tongues issue so hard. for some its awfuly confusing, not all speak in tongues many feel like something is wrong with them cause they've been told everyone does.

I agree on a few things... I became a Christian in a Pentecostal church when I was 18, and am now 36, and with time I realized some things that were pushed too hard like you say...

For example:

* the speaking in tongues being the ONLY sign of an indwelling of the HS
* some people exagerating or misusing the gifts of the spirit, like prophecy, discernment of spirits, etc.
* The necessity of wearing no make up at all, it being a sign of our holiness :twitch
* No allowance for haircuts, not even bangs :twitch
* Cannot wear pants in church, only skirts and dresses..
* Women and men not allowed to wear any jewlery except for wedding rings and bands

This is what I can remember so far, that I have broken away with...

About being filled with the spirit after salvation, I am not sure exactly what you mean... Umm, they way I understand it is that at the point that we accept Christ as our savior the Spirit of God comes upon the person and comes inside of us, in us, inhabits us, whichever way you want to call it... But it is IN us now... I don't know if this is what is meant, but anyway, that's how I undestand it..

Like someone else said, lets no make this an "opened" can of worms, I was just wondering about the issues being addressed as being wrong... A saw some but not LOts and lots....

God Bless :wave

[sarahbeth]

Yes, Dr. MacArthur is a very good Bible teacher! I didn't know he was close to Calvinist, but aside from that he is a very good teacher.


Aside from that? That is the best part of his teaching!!!!!!!! But, that is another thread altogether!

friends, Sarah

[Singlesis]

:focus

We've got another thread started on Calvinism, and I'm interested to see more about that. But... back to the point of my thread.. :laugh

I had never heard him before. But he was so bold in refuting the WOF doctrine, and refuting it with scripture.. Jesus' own words actually. And he was so putting down the seeker-sensitive movement. It was refreshing, and yet I was amazed they'd let someone on the WOF network say those things. It will be interesting to see if he gets much more air time. He kept saying, "All these evangelists who tell you ..." (healing, money, etc.) Well, the majority on TBN are "those evangelists". It was kind of cool, actually.

And I was wondering if anyone has read the book "Hard to Believe", which sounds like it refutes the seeker-sensitive movement. Anyone?

[billiefan2000]

say did anyone notice TBN didnt repeat this broadcast on Friday and instead aire Jonah: A Veggietales Movie instead at 4 p.m. central