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SeaDreamer
August 25th, 2004, 11:50 AM
Could anyone tell me what the Bolded part means? I included the whole paragraph in case it's relevant.

I'm praying about giving this messianic Jewish church a try and this is part of their statement of faith. I understood all of it except this part.

Thanks!


We honestly believe that in these "LAST DAYS" the complete restoration of both houses of Yisrael, Judah, and Ephraim, will become one united nation through Messiah Yahshua.
We do NOT believe in replacement theology in any way, shape or form! Yisrael was and still IS YHWH'S covenant people in whom all the covenants and promises were made and will be fulfilled.
We do not believe that ALL gentile believers in Yahshua are returning Yisrael, nor that ALL "CHURCH" believers are returning Yisrael. Due to the strong calling and drawing of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) to the return to their Hebraic Roots, there is a strong possibility that such a believer is one of a multitude of returning Ephraim from the diaspora.
We are not here to try and "REPLACE" Yehuda, but to strengthen her as we become "Echad."
(Suggested reading Ezekiel 37, Jeremiah 31; the entire book of Hosea; and many of the works published by Eddie Chumney on our Hebraic Roots)

antsinmypants
August 25th, 2004, 11:52 AM
It just means we aren't trying to replace the Jews (as many antimissionaries cite we messies are that cannot directly claim that we have Jewish ancestry), but that we are attempting to go back to the roots of the faith and become whole and complete in the olive tree as Paul said we were, as ONE family, a whole complete entity. :):


Hope that helps

SeaDreamer
August 25th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Ants', who do you mean by "we"? Who isn't trying to replace the Jews? Messianic Jews?


Gotta do go my exercise but will check back later on this. Thanks for answering. :wave

pilgrimian
August 25th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Ants', who do you mean by "we"? Who isn't trying to replace the Jews? Messianic Jews?

Gotta do go my exercise but will check back later on this. Thanks for answering. :wave

It is that we (Gentiles) are not trying to replace Israel as God's people. We are not into Replacement Theology, where God has evidently turned His back on Israel and has given over all His Kingdom to Gentiles. Both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the Olive Tree. God has not turned His back on Israel...there is a remnant.

The only difference between Jews and Messianic Jews is belief. The same goes for Believing Gentiles, and unbelieving ones. Messianic Jews are just as Jewish (if not more so) because they believe in the Promised Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus).

Godspeed,
Matthew

SeaDreamer
August 25th, 2004, 02:19 PM
Ohhhh..ok, I see now. Thanks. :):

DeeLeeKay
August 25th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Is this church into the "Two House" theology? It seems to me that it is. I would be very careful here.

pilgrimian
August 26th, 2004, 12:13 PM
Is this church into the "Two House" theology? It seems to me that it is. I would be very careful here.

Most definitely they are.

DeeLeeKay, I had read the post...but had skipped over Eddie Chumney's name at the bottom. He is at the heart of this new wave of heretical teachings.

So, yes, Seadreamer be careful. It's old heresy packaged up as something new and honorable.

Seek God on Chumney (http://www.seekgod.ca/mjaarevisited.htm)

Godspeed,
Matthew

SeaDreamer
August 26th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Well, it turns out this one is too far away anyway so I'll be checking on the 2 churches that are closer. Thanks everyone for the responses, I appreciate it. :wave