Word of knowledge

[Mercy4Me]

I'm torn on this.

I was flipping thorugh the channels this evening and saw the 700 club. I grew up watching it off an on, and they were doing a story on one of the ladies who had been healed through a word of knowledge one of them had given.

Of course afterwards Pat began talking about how God can heal anyone, (and I agree) and he went on to say that the lady in the previous segment wasnt anyone special or favored by God, and that miracles can happen to anyone.

But he went on saying that if we believe and receive it then that allows God to work a miracle in our lives, no matter the circumstance.

I am always wary of name it/ claim it things, but this sounded different than the normal stuff. I felt myself getting sort of worked up thinking, "he's right I'm a child of God and He can work a miracle in my or my family members lives."

So when he prayed, I prayed in agreement and waited. Some things were sort of generic like someone being healed of strept throat, and some were detailed, like a cancerous bump on their tongue.

All through the prayer I kept thinking, "Lord will there be anything for us?" Mainly thinking of my sister Rhonda, but also of various other things that I and my family really need to see God's hand moving in.

When the prayers were finished I felt empty. Nothing was given that I could remotely claim and believe. As I flipped back to the Olympics Pat's words came back to me, of how no one is more special than another, and God wants to heal and work in every Christian's life.

But it did feel like I was somehow not quite "special" or worthy enough, sort of like God overlooked me and my family. I know God doesnt play favorites, and He is well aware of and cares about all, even the most insignificant things in our lives.

But I just can't shake this hollow feeling.


Do you guys think that the words of knowledge are real? Or are they emotional hype? I know God works miracles, and I believe all the gifts of the spirit are for today, just as they were in the disciple's day, but this one is confusing me.

[Creeper]

Do you guys think that the words of knowledge are real?

No not from Pat, he has been proved to be a false prophet.



Or are they emotional hype?

Yes I believe they are, and a good way to get people to send money too.


I know God works miracles, and I believe all the gifts of the spirit are for today, just as they were in the disciple's day, but this one is confusing me.

Dana you know where confusion comes from right?

Stay away from the 700 club, rates right up there with TBN.

I am praying for your dear sister, and all your family.

[Patty T]

The word of knowledge is listed as one of the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corin 12 bestowed by the Holy Spirit:


Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity

12Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2 You know that* you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by *the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

I believe it is still being given today.


Patty

[mrsppmrxky]

Dana, with all that is on your plate right now, is it any wonder that you feel down and forgotten?

Remember that God loves you enough that if you had been the only sinner on earth, He would have sent His Son, Jesus to die for your sins.

God says that at the time of your conception that He knew you and knit you together in a wonderful way.

Now you may be thinking that 'HEY, I've got problems God and they are really BIG problems". He isn't surprised by that.

We have the examples in the NT that show people with physical problems and people were asking what sin had been committed.

Joh 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

*****

Joh 9:1-3 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind
from [his] birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man,
or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

********
I always think of Joni Tada and how many years she has been in a wheelchair. The faith healers always put her at the back of the church. They never offer to heal her on stage.

The best advice I can give you is to look at Job. He was a righteous man and look how he suffered. God did deliver him, but if he had not, then God is still God and He asks that we praise Him with the sacrifice of praise.

I have been thinking on that verse a lot lately. When I am down, when I am up, I am supposed to be praising God with the sacrifice of praise. When things are going good, it isn't hard to praise God, but I really find that it is a sacrifice to praise when times are tough.

(((DANA))) I pray that God will walk with you through this valley and lead you victoriously out on the other side.

[sandy111]

oh my goodness Dana, this is big wof.

I have panic attacks from listening to Pat Robertsons teaching tapes!!!
he makes it sound better than old hinn and copeland but its the same garbage! God is not bound by us he keeps his word!

in reality if things where the way that old pat says and the woffers,
Gods word would become a burden to him. a have too thing with no heart.
I used to wait for that "word of knowledge" for me and mine too.

nothing happened its all fake. so you slowly fall into the well I must need more faith..thats whats wrong. and you end up worse than when you started. Dana I beg you stay away from the 700 club, pat is a proven false prophet, has been involved in shady dealings, he just pulls this off better than the others. looks like a nice old grandpa....

we live by the whole word of God, not
the 7 principales for power. or whatever hes calling it nowadays,
or the keys to the kingdom.... read your bible. pray and let the Lord answer
in his time Pat does not have anything more than you do.

although he'd try to make you believe it, and sell in to you for a
"love offering" :mad

just thought of this too, this is a biggie!
with his teaching tapes and these keys to the kingdom,
they are socalled laws and principales....

well, ole pat forgot that 1corinthians 13 is very important.
cause he teaches you these things with NO HEART.
you learn to be greedy, selfish, its all for me.
that is NOT God. and you can't narrow life to to 7 principales.
there is a flow to a relationship, conversations, ect.
not just running your relationship with the Lord like you do a business.

am I making enough sense anyone can understand me?

[SapphireGrl]

Do you guys think that the words of knowledge are real? Or are they emotional hype? I know God works miracles, and I believe all the gifts of the spirit are for today, just as they were in the disciple's day, but this one is confusing me.I think they can be real and that it's not all emotional nonsense. I used to believe the opposite until I spent the summer with my grandmother a few years ago and the 700 Club came on. She told me how about 15 years earlier she was watching the show and Pat started praying and talking about a woman that couldn't use her right arm and hadn't been able to use it for a few months. He then said that the woman would begin to feel a warmth through her arm and that God was healing her and restoring the full use of her arm to her, and that's exactly what happen to my grandmother at the exact moment she was watching him pray.

Now, I don't know why she was healed or what lead God to heal her at that moment. Personally, I've always believed Pat to be suspicious and kind of flakey so I was shocked that she'd been healed while listening to Pat pray. All I know is that she was really healed as soon as he started praying and talking about the woman with the unusable right arm and the nerve damage that made her arm unusable has never come back. So I don't know what to think. :noidea

[Creeper]

That is an amazing story! :clap I am so happy for your Grandmother!

I believe God will heal, who He will, when He will. I wonder if she would have been healed if she wasn't watching Pat? My brother loves Pat, sends him lots of money..never mind the widowed sister in Florida... ;): with the sick kid
makin 7 bucks an hour.... :tape

Anyway I still won't watch 700 club, but I am happy for your GM.... :clap

[Jael]

I'm torn on this.

I was flipping thorugh the channels this evening and saw the 700 club. I grew up watching it off an on, and they were doing a story on one of the ladies who had been healed through a word of knowledge one of them had given.

Of course afterwards Pat began talking about how God can heal anyone, (and I agree) and he went on to say that the lady in the previous segment wasnt anyone special or favored by God, and that miracles can happen to anyone.

But he went on saying that if we believe and receive it then that allows God to work a miracle in our lives, no matter the circumstance.

I am always wary of name it/ claim it things, but this sounded different than the normal stuff. I felt myself getting sort of worked up thinking, "he's right I'm a child of God and He can work a miracle in my or my family members lives."

So when he prayed, I prayed in agreement and waited. Some things were sort of generic like someone being healed of strept throat, and some were detailed, like a cancerous bump on their tongue.

All through the prayer I kept thinking, "Lord will there be anything for us?" Mainly thinking of my sister Rhonda, but also of various other things that I and my family really need to see God's hand moving in.

When the prayers were finished I felt empty. Nothing was given that I could remotely claim and believe. As I flipped back to the Olympics Pat's words came back to me, of how no one is more special than another, and God wants to heal and work in every Christian's life.

But it did feel like I was somehow not quite "special" or worthy enough, sort of like God overlooked me and my family. I know God doesnt play favorites, and He is well aware of and cares about all, even the most insignificant things in our lives.

But I just can't shake this hollow feeling.


Do you guys think that the words of knowledge are real? Or are they emotional hype? I know God works miracles, and I believe all the gifts of the spirit are for today, just as they were in the disciple's day, but this one is confusing me.

I believe as you do, that the gifts of the Spirit are still operating today...and I do believe that the Holy Spirit can give someone a specific word of knowledge. While I have had a few people "call me out" with a false word of knowledge (because what they said was in no way applicable to me), I have had one or two people give me a true word of knowledge as well. One Sunday I woke up and as I was getting ready for church, the Lord began to deal with me and told me that He was going to heal me from the effects of sexual abuse...I stopped and sought the Lord further, trying to understand more...but that was all He said. I finished getting dressed and went on to church. The message that day was about brokenness and restoration and afterward, the minister came over to me and said that the Lord had pointed me out to him and told him that I had a background of abuse that had never been dealt with. He said some other things and then went and got one of the older women to take me aside and pray with me. From that day, the Lord began to lift the burden of shame and self-hatred that I was carrying and also began to restore my ability to trust other people. There is no way this man could have known that the Lord had promised me healing that very morning...so yes, I believe that was of God - and the fruit from that experience has borne out that was from Him, as that was the beginning of a restoration process for me.

However, this gift, like all the spiritual gifts, operates according to the will of the Lord, not our desires. Sometimes we emotionally crave a tangible sign that God has not forgotten us, but in my experience, the Lord does not generally cater to this desire. We walk by faith, not by sight...if the Lord gave us a word of knowledge whenever we want some reassurance, we wouldn't have much opportunity to develop faith would we? It's true that He is no respecter of persons, but His will is not the same for each of us and He deals with us differently. No matter how much we want that overt indication that the Lord has heard us and will move in our situation, most of the time, we just have to trust Him and wait on His deliverance. Very rarely, the Lord will reassure me in a spectacular and unmistakeable way, but those occasions are few and far between (and most of them occurred when I was young in the faith).

It can seem like those who receive frequent and public attention from the Lord are "special" to Him, but actually I think in my case, it was the opposite. It was because I was weaker in the faith that I needed so much attention. But as I began to grow in the Lord, He started to teach me to stand on His word, without looking for signs and confirmations. These days, 99.999% of the time, if the Lord is going to speak to me, it's one-on-one and privately, not in public. And He deals with me in ways that require me to exercise faith, rather than trusting in tangible evidence (such as a word of knowledge that is recognizably directed to me). The Lord may not have given you a word because He knows you are mature enough to stand in faith, just trusting Him.

Just because you didn't hear anything specific doesn't mean the Lord is not aware of your needs...He certainly hasn't forgotten you. You know God can and does heal. You know He loves you and your family and will do what's best for you. I know it's hard when your loved ones are suffering, but try to rest on Romans 8:28 and know that He is working all things together for your good (and theirs). :hug

[sandy111]

Jael, that was excellently put!

[Mercy4Me]

Thank you all so much for your replies and reminders. I'm sitting here about to :cry because of all of your words.

I appreciate the encouragement and thank you for the love and the scriptures. :hug


I have been through things where God was teaching me that I needed to fully rely on Him, and not on anything I think I could do to "help" Him out :lol But it seems I always have to learn this same lesson over and over.

Not sure if that means I'm lacking in my faith, or what. I do know that when these things come around, I am remembering the lesson quicker than the last time

May God bless you all. :hug

[mrsppmrxky]

I have been through things where God was teaching me that I needed to fully rely on Him, and not on anything I think I could do to "help" Him out :lol But it seems I always have to learn this same lesson over and over.

Not sure if that means I'm lacking in my faith, or what. I do know that when these things come around, I am remembering the lesson quicker than the last time

May God bless you all. :hug

I call it the remedial class.

Now when things kick up, I just start praying "Lord, what is it you want me to learn from this, cause I want to be sure and get it on the first go round."

I remember as a child that I thought, why did Israel always forget what God wanted to teach them? I would arrogantly think, "I'm glad I'm not like that' (that was my 8 yr old wisdom thinking) I think that I will have to spend all of eternity asking every Jewish person to forgive my arrogance. :doh :D:

[liljoemsu]

I have had the "word of knowledge" thing happen to me twice. The first one was absolutely true, and I am still waiting on the second one..... it hasn't been that long since it happened..... I believe in the supernatural moves of the Holy Spirit. I have had dreams that I beleived were of God and then they came to pass. Don't know what to think about it sometimes.

[mbtcforJesus]

Hi Dana. You're right you shouldn't have to feel empty and ignored. During my life I've prayed along during the word of knowledge times and not once has anything remotely close to what I was experiencing been mentioned.

I don't hold it against those on the 700 Club or God. I did stop watching the 700 Club when Pat Robertson called the pre-tribulation rapture "utter nonsense." I thought that was awfully insensitive of the leader of that organization to call what many Christian's believe utter nonsense. That plus his end of the year "talks with the Lord" that never materialize. For example after 9-11 at the end of the year and beginning of 2002 Pat said the Lord told him that in 2002 terrorists were going to strike Detroit and the auto industry.

These things have made me stop watching the 700 Club regularly. And I agree the part you mentioned does have a ring of WOF to it.

[SeaDreamer]

Wonderful post, Jael!

[onsolidrock]

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

The Word of Knowledge would vanish away.

When Christ comes again there will be no need for any of the Spiritual Gifts.

Why then, would Paul mention these three as stopping and not the rest if they don't stop until Jesus returns.

It seems only logical that these three would stop before that time.

I don't believe that the true Word of Knowledge is in use today.

[Patty T]

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

The Word of Knowledge would vanish away.

When Christ comes again there will be no need for any of the Spiritual Gifts.

Why then, would Paul mention these three as stopping and not the rest if they don't stop until Jesus returns.

It seems only logical that these three would stop before that time.

I don't believe that the true Word of Knowledge is in use today.

I think "knowledge" in the verse you quoted above is quite different from the "word of knowledge" gift the Holy Spirit provides.

[onsolidrock]

I think "knowledge" in the verse you quoted above is quite different from the "word of knowledge" gift the Holy Spirit provides.

Are tongues and prophecy in that same verse also different than the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

[Patty T]

Are tongues and prophecy in that same verse also different than the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

I believe the tongues and prophecies listed as the gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corin 12:8 are the same as those listed in 1 Corin 13:8; however, the subject of 1 Corin 13 is Love - and we know that God is love.

Paul is saying that until that which is perfect/complete has come (which I believe is the fullness of the Kingdom when Jesus returns) we only understand or have a knowledge of things to some degree or measure; we only can teach, admonish, exhort, comfort, to some degree or measure.

I don't believe any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit are done away with today because "that which is perfect" has not yet come. So we still know and prophesy "in part" - or to a degree or measure.

The more I look at some of the gifts of the Spirit as described in scripture and compare them to what some believers are doing today, the more I think there are some who have taken the gifts out of context.

Hope this helps - I know it's a little disjointed....sorry

Patty
:):

[Pooch]

Word of knowledge (?)

Just curious. The word of knowledge is simply 'the act of knowing knowledge/science' : Logos Gnosis.

How has this been translated into 'Knowledge of someone being healed'? Healing from God is considered a 'miracle' and not knowledge/science. How has it evolved into what it is today? I don't understand. :confused

I also find it interesting that Jesus healed many people who did not believe. The servant of the centuraian was healed before he believed. God does indeed heal today, but He heals non-Christians as much as Christians. I justed wanted to throw that out because some people mistakingly feel that they are not healed because thier lack of faith. Just a thought.

As far as Pat, I just find it odd that this 'WOK' gift happens at the same time every night. Glad that God's on Eastern Standard Time. :tape

Pooch