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Warrior Prophet
August 23rd, 2004, 10:50 PM
Dear All,
I've been noticing a phenomenon within the American Evangelical Church that's a little... scary. Just reading a few Christian books just now... Babylon Rising and Silenced, both set in America just prior to the rapture, I noticed a theme that both books share: a paranoia that evengelicals will/are being persecuted in America.

Now let's be realistic folks. There is no real persecutions going on in America, and while there are Christians who are mocked, most deserve the treamente they get. (I'm thinking the Pat Roberstons and Jerry Falwells of the world.) Face it, some of the people who claim to represent evangelicals... are a bit off. Also, among some evangelical circles there is pure hatred for homosexuals and abortionists. I'm not defending either behaviour, just saying that the minority that does hate to an extreme will always be highlighted. Face it, the media will always paint with a broad brush. When we've got leaders who are ignorant and tend to.. say silly things and whack jobs go to an extreme... can you expect those who aren't evangelicals to want more evangelical influence in the culture?

Second point... in America, even those who want Christianity taken out of governmental ceremony and schools are not anti-Christian. America is becoming more and more a secular nation. So do you expect a secular nation to still use religious icons in it's governmental structures? No. More than that.. we are becoming postmodern. That means that people want all views represented, not merely one view. This does not mean they just target evangelicals. Any extremist group is a target. Mormons, muslims and any group that claims exclusivity is a target. You have to also see that those who do want a more secularized nation are noisey.... but small. 80 percent of Americans claim belief in God. A majority of Americans claim to be Christians. The secularist tide now is still very small and they haven't really persecuted anyone. All they've done is take some Christian monuments down. We are hardly having to turn to house churches.

Third... where is this persecution? If you believe there is some persecution going on against evangelicals... where's the beef? Compared to the world, we have it easy. Are Christians mocked? Yes. But because we are truly being the Church of God is not one of the main reasons. It's because the church has a rep of being ignorant, narrow minded and hateful. As I've pointed out, looking at the church, there are good reasons for people to believe this. Jerry Falwell blaming the 9/11 attacks on homosexuals and feminists is one example. And claiming that God told him that... it's like 'geez.. shut up!' The anti-intellectual and anti-science movement in evangelicalism also shows people what they don't necessarily want in their spirituality.

I think I've gone long winded and preachy.... my question is this... why do you think American Christians are so determined to picture themselves as martyrs? Do we just ignore the plight of Christians around the world? Are we that ego-centric?

Paul
August 23rd, 2004, 11:42 PM
I think Christians are increasingly becoming disliked in this country. I wouldn't overlook the fact that there are people who hate God and hate me because I follow Him. But, if I'm being honest, I also can't overlook the fact that I've done a lousy job of representing my God to the world. They've seen my failure and think it's God's failure and they want nothing to do with Him.

I heard a Christian man from the Sudan speak two weeks ago. Muslims tortured him and they wanted him to renounce Christ, kill his parents, rape his sisters and burn down his church. He escaped and now goes back to spread the gospel and provide basic needs for the people there.

He went through all that and ended his talk by praying for us in the audience. His faith was so simple yet it was so real and practical. Jesus died for his sins, his life was changed and now he wanted to be kind to others and share the gospel with them. I was completely humbled by this man. If people see that example of Christ's love in Christians they'll be drawn to Him. That's what we should all strive for -- a life that reflects Christ's love to the world.

I think you have a good point about the church being anti-intellectual and anti-science. There was a time when scientists would study nature to learn about God. Christians founded universities to promote higher learning. Now we've retreated from that to our own, strange sub-culture. And when you combine that with an overall lack of genuine love, good works, solid bible teaching and good Christian behavior you being to understand why we've lost much of our ability to influence America and why they won't listen to what we have to say.

mikitta
August 24th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Warrior, right now, there is no harsh persecution of the Church in America. We can be thankful that right now, we have peace in which to live and to spread the Gospel. But there will be a time, shortly, when we will not have that. What God has allowed in far flung places, like China, the Sudan, and the Congo - He will allow here for His own good purpose. Do you think that Christ's warnings about being thrown in jail, being tortured, being killed for Him were only for 'foriegners'? we will face the test here soon enough. That's why it is so important to get a very strong foundation in the Word NOW. It's important to spread the Gospel of Jesus NOW. It's imperitive to live our lives for Christ NOW. Tomorrow may be too late to go forth in the freedom we enjoy right NOW.

God Bless,
mik

Chronus
August 24th, 2004, 12:37 AM
My concern is that we WON'T get persecuted for our faith. :(:

Warrior Prophet
August 24th, 2004, 01:13 AM
You bring up a point Chronos... if loving God was a crime, would they have enough evidence to convict us as a church?

cindyw
August 24th, 2004, 09:53 AM
You bring up a point Chronos... if loving God was a crime, would they have enough evidence to convict us as a church?


Jesus said "if you love me, you will obey me"...............does that answer your question?