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ILJ
July 12th, 2004, 03:49 PM
I know Israel is considered a Jewish nation but is Jerusalem, even though it is the capitol of Israel, officially considered a Jewish city?
Strange question, I know. I'll explain if need be.
Thanks in advance for your answer(s).
antsinmypants
July 12th, 2004, 03:55 PM
:confused
Uhm, Jerusalem has since the formation of the nation Israel been the capitol, and when G-d brings down the city from Heaven, it is over Jerusalem and called "the New Jerusalem".
And to answer your question, It would depend on who you ask. Should it belong only to Israel? Yes.
Due to population counts etc, I don't know if it would be considered "Jewish" enough though..
I'm sure someone on here has a better answer though. :):
ILJ
July 12th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Thanks, Ants! :):
I suppose I should elaborate as to why I'm asking this. I've heard two theories now concerning the generation that will see the end times as in "this generation shall not pass until..."
Theory one: The generation spoken of by Jesus is the generation that was alive or born at the time Israel came back as a nation in 1948 (correct date?). This theory sounds very plausible.
Theory two: The generation spoken of by Jesus is the generation that is alive or born at the time Jerusalem becomes a Jewish city. This theory, if correct, could take awhile if Jerusalem isn't considered a Jewish city right now.
Just checking to see which theory (or if they are both) is correct and hoping someone has an answer.
joelch2
July 12th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Theory three:
The generation who was alive when Jesus spoke the words and still alive in 70 AD to see Jerusalem destroyed and millions killed.
MailmanGuy
July 12th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Thanks, Ants! :):
I suppose I should elaborate as to why I'm asking this. I've heard two theories now concerning the generation that will see the end times as in "this generation shall not pass until..."
Theory one: The generation spoken of by Jesus is the generation that was alive or born at the time Israel came back as a nation in 1948 (correct date?). This theory sounds very plausible.
Theory two: The generation spoken of by Jesus is the generation that is alive or born at the time Jerusalem becomes a Jewish city. This theory, if correct, could take awhile if Jerusalem isn't considered a Jewish city right now.
Just checking to see which theory (or if they are both) is correct and hoping someone has an answer.
Hey!
We were just talking about this very subject right here:
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=1882095#post1882095
ILJ
July 13th, 2004, 09:20 AM
:thumb Hey thanks, Mailman Guy! My question has been answered!
chrislb
July 13th, 2004, 01:55 PM
QUOTE: Theory three:
The generation who was alive when Jesus spoke the words and still alive in 70 AD to see Jerusalem destroyed and millions killed.
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I agree with this one as well.
MarkD
July 13th, 2004, 02:50 PM
There is a fourth theory, also.
That "this generation" does not set a time limit.
It can be looked at here. It's a long read, but I think it's worth it.
http://www.twincityfellowship.com/cic/articles/issue77.htm
Here's a "teaser" from the conclusion of the article:
"We have shown that “this generation” is used in a pejorative sense in the New Testament and is therefore qualitative and not setting a time limit. We have also seen the transgenerational idea of guilt in Jewish thinking as it applies to the phrase. This guilt is being “filled up” by those who follow in the footsteps of their “fathers” who did likewise. Matthew includes a statement at the trial of Jesus to emphasize this: “And all the people answered and said, ‘His blood be on us and on our children!’” (Matthew 27:25). Clearly the issue of “this generation” rejecting Messiah is seen as a continual problem down through subsequent generations. By taking “this generation” in Matthew 24:34 in the sense of Jewish hardness to the gospel we are able to take the statement completely literally and avoid the problems of other proposed interpretations. This also fits with what Paul taught in Romans 11"
pilgrimian
July 13th, 2004, 06:03 PM
God gave Israel to Abraham and his seed (that would be Isaac). And the promise was further given through Jacob...and therefore to Israel.
All of the land belongs to Israel...and is thus "Jewish."
Godspeed,
Matthew
Ben Ready
July 14th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Am I wrong, I thought the capital was Tel Aviv. :confused
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