Matthew 23:37-39

[josiah7]

Was reading Matthew 23 in the Complete Jewish Bible
and checked on verses 37-39 in the Jewish New
Testament Commentary and found something interesting
that I would like to share. I'm interested in your
thoughts on the commentary, particularly the statement
"That Yeshua will not return until Israel receives national
salvation....."

Matthew 23:37-39 "Yerushalayim! Yerushalayim! You kill
the prophets! You stone those who are
sent to you! How often I wanted to
gather your children, just as a hen
gathers her chickens under her wings,
but you refused! Look! God is abandoning
your house to you, leaving it desolate.
For I tell you, from now on, you will
not see me again until you say,
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of
ADONAI."
Commentary - 37-39 As if to refute the theology, developed
later by the church, which teaches that God is no longer
interested in the Jewish people as such, Yeshua here gives
the condition for the salvation of national Isreal, as
distinct from salvation of individual Jews and Gentiles.
In these verses, at the end of his ministry, he addresses
the nation of Isreal, speaking to its capital, Yerushalayim,
and thus continues the Tanakh's tradition of corporate
salvation, which will come when Isreal as a nation blesses
the Messiah, who comes in the name of ADONAI. (It is clear
from 21:9 in its context that this phrase here refers to
Yeshua himself.) The fact that Yeshua will not return until
Israel receives national salvation is a powerful motivator
for evangelizing the Jewish people (see Ro11:11-12,15,31);
in fact Jewish evangelism can hasten his coming. (2Peter3:12)

[ibelieveinHIM]

when did the Jews get a new testament? where have i been? lol

[Honda873]

By jewish new testament....and from what it looks like....is it the bible for messianic jews? and with some word replacements due to hebrew pronunciation....?

[ibelieveinHIM]

i was just joking. :) sorry.

[TSH1]

I definately believe that the nation of Israel will be saved before Christ's return. The Great Tribulation is the judgement of God upon Israel for rejection of Christ. Once Israel realizes during the Tribulation period that they have indeed rejected the true Messiah, they repent and accept Christ. Christ promises that all Israel will be saved. So, yes, in a sense, Israel must come to salvation before Christ returns.

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Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
[b]Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
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Tami

[Walkerbyfaith]

yes before the glorious appearing which is Christs second coming, because if you think about it the rapture will happen and Jesus will come like a thief in the night in the clouds, so technically Jesus doesn't come back to earth till the Glorious appearing, because we meet him in the air. this is confusing, but this is what i think

[annie10]

My understanding is that at the end of the Great Tribulation the remnant of Israel will be hiding in Petra, from the AC, and they will call on Him whom they have persecuted and then the Lord will come. They must petition the Lord before He comes. This is why the anti-christ will try to kill them all, because if they can't call on the Lord, He will not return.

Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

[josiah7]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the Complete Jewish Bible, an english version and the Jewish New Testament Commentary are books authored by David H. Stern. :):

[antsinmypants]

By jewish new testament....and from what it looks like....is it the bible for messianic jews? and with some word replacements due to hebrew pronunciation....?

Yes, the translator is David Stern. He has the Complete Jewish Bible, and then the Jewish New Testament And New Testament Commentary.

[josiah7]

Hi ants, do you have a copy of each and if you do what do you think of them ? I really just started to read these versions, though I have had them for awhile. So far I am very happy with them. Certainly gives me a different view of somethings. It gives me a Jewish view on things that I would not have had, if I had not started to read this version. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say. :):