Bro. Swaggart sending Bibles to troops

[trillabodilla]

Bro. Swaggart is sending copies of "The Expositor's New Testament" to troops in, and going to, Iraq.

These are leather-bound volumes, with expository notes and a counsellor's section in the back.

You can call the Son Life Radio studios, if interested in contributing to this effort, toll free 1-800-342-8430 or, locally in Baton Rouge at 768-3688.



https://www.jsm.org/explore.cfm?mc=1002&s=1005

[Patty T]

I pray that those who are searching for God find Him through His word that's being sent. I pray that the seeds will fall on good ground, and that a bountiful harvest will result, in Jesus name.

[trillabodilla]

Bumping this because this effort is going on again today 5/13 and Friday 5/14.

:wave

[onsolidrock]

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but somehow I wouldn't trust that the money would go to buy Bibles and not go to hiring a prostitute.

[4everHis]

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but somehow I wouldn't trust that the money would go to buy Bibles and not go to hiring a prostitute.

With due respect I THAT COMMENT WAS TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR.

Let any of us without sin cast a stone? I know my hands are empty....

I worked in Christian Radio several years ago and daily played and listened to Jimmy swaggarts messages. Then, yes, he was tempted and fell into sin.
He has long since paid the price for that and asked for and I believe has obtained the Lord's forgiveness.

I once went to a Jimmy Swaggart crusade back when he was still doing those.
I wrote and simply said that I saw a study bible for sale and that I would like to get one as soon as I could afford one. Well, about a week later a brand new leather bound study bible came in the mail for me.

SO with all due respect, I personally can say that He does indeed send out bibles. He, like you and like me is a sinner saved by grace.

Forgive me for my tone in this response but I just had to say what I felt needed to be said.

I've not had any dealings with his ministry in probably 20 years.

[GloryBound]

Jimmy Swaggart at the time was a minister under the Assemblies of God. When He sinned, he said he repented but he refused to submit to their required program for ministers caught in sin. If I remember correctly it involves a couple or three years of supervision and repentence and reconciliation and eventual restoration to full ministry. In fact, before he "got caught" he wrote and published a long article about that program and how he strongly believed that every minister caught in sin should submit to it. I read the article myself. But when it was his turn he refused. So he got kicked out of the AoG. As far as I know, he is still independent and answers to nobody.

I know that he's a good preacher. Whether he practises what he preaches, I don't know. And I've never heard of financial indiscretions by him, so this is a good thing he's doing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Lets not turn this into a good guy/bad guy fight, please.

[onsolidrock]

Jimmy Swaggart at the time was a minister under the Assemblies of God. When He sinned, he said he repented but he refused to submit to their required program for ministers caught in sin. If I remember correctly it involves a couple or three years of supervision and repentence and reconciliation and eventual restoration to full ministry. In fact, before he "got caught" he wrote and published a long article about that program and how he strongly believed that every minister caught in sin should submit to it. I read the article myself. But when it was his turn he refused. So he got kicked out of the AoG. As far as I know, he is still independent and answers to nobody.

I know that he's a good preacher. Whether he practises what he preaches, I don't know. And I've never heard of financial indiscretions by him, so this is a good thing he's doing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Lets not turn this into a good guy/bad guy fight, please.

The first time he got caught he went before his congregation, he repented. cried crocodile tears and said it wouldn't happen again. About three months later he got caught again. I hope that he has truly repented since. Enough said

[Catwoman]

I don't want to judge the man. I pray that he has repented. If he is sending Bibles that's a good thing.

One thing is for certain though. He's not a big name preacher anymore. His fall was hard and swift.

[Pat]

Oh, it was a good 20+ years ago, I was a new Christian, and there was much heated debate in the church and some righteous back-feathers were ruffled. A fellow believer had backslid...yes, they "sinned" and when they had finally repented of their sins (several months later) they came back to church. The problem was people in the church didn't want to associate with them anymore. I didn't understand why because I truly believed that the Blood of Jesus Christ could wash away all sin. My mentor, an older women, replied to me "Christians are the only ones that bury their wounded...even the world treats 'em better than we do."

Doesn't seem like much has changed, has it? I still believe the Blood of Jesus Christ washes away all sin...not only that, after He forgives He forgets we ever did 'em. Only the evil one dredges up the past sins in our lives to make us feel unclean and unfit for service to our Lord.

Every time our Father God looks down at a sinner saved by grace He sees the incorruptible, holy, precious Blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, and declares us holy, blameless, and above reproach in His sight. Don't think so?

Colossians 1:20-23 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath He reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;....."

:):

[Catwoman]

I don't bear any ill will towards Mr. Swaggert.

No doubt though that TV preachers and preachers in general are held to a different standard than most. That is not fair I know because they are just people with the same faults as anybody else.

I think maybe the public feels that his "crime" was so perverted though that it has left a sour taste in people's mouths even all these years later.

I hope and pray he has left all that behind him. And Jesus has surely forgiven him if he's asked for it.

For myself the only preacher of name that I give to is Billy Graham and that's because he's my favorite Bible teacher.

[Chris4Christ]

Jimmy Swaggart at the time was a minister under the Assemblies of God. When He sinned, he said he repented but he refused to submit to their required program for ministers caught in sin. If I remember correctly it involves a couple or three years of supervision and repentence and reconciliation and eventual restoration to full ministry. In fact, before he "got caught" he wrote and published a long article about that program and how he strongly believed that every minister caught in sin should submit to it. I read the article myself. But when it was his turn he refused. So he got kicked out of the AoG. As far as I know, he is still independent and answers to nobody. And THIS is exactly why I have a problem with anything Jimmy Swaggart does.

Does the blood of Jesus still wash away his sins and save him, just like it does everybody else? Yes, of course!

But the question is, does he meet the requirements of a pastor as set forth in Scripture?

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
No, he does not.

This isn't an issue of "a sinner saved by grace." This is a man that DOES NOT meet the requirements set forth in GOD'S WORD, yet he continues, in his pride, to set himself up as a church leader.

I hope Jimmy Swaggart does what he says he will concerning the troops, but I have to agree with onsolidrock. I personally don't trust this man.

[4everHis]

If you don't trust him it's really not a problem. This whole thing is a non-issue.

His sending bibles to the troops is a good thing regardless of his past.
I never heard of Jimmy Swaggart being called a Bishop?

He is an evangelist.

Have a blessed day.

[Chris4Christ]

If you don't trust him it's really not a problem. This whole thing is a non-issue.

His sending bibles to the troops is a good thing regardless of his past.
I never heard of Jimmy Swaggart being called a Bishop?

He is an evangelist.

Have a blessed day.:confused

He's an evangelist. He also sets himself up as a church leader or pastor...the modern day equivalent of the Greek "bishop."

In fact, here's the original Greek for you:

G1985

ἐπίσκοπος

episkopos

ep-is'-kop-os

From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a church (literally or figuratively): - bishop, overseer.


(BTW, trust most certainly IS an issue when the man is asking for donations for this.)

[rs41]

The first time he got caught he went before his congregation, he repented. cried crocodile tears and said it wouldn't happen again. About three months later he got caught again. I hope that he has truly repented since. Enough saidNo it's not enough said. You are wrong, plain wrong. I hope you are judged more fairly than you are judging Rev. Swaggert

[Willo]

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but somehow I wouldn't trust that the money would go to buy Bibles and not go to hiring a prostitute.

Remember by the same standards you judge others, God will judge you.

Mate, I am glad God forgives.

[Chris4Christ]

Remember by the same standards you judge others, God will judge you.

Mate, I am glad God forgives.
I don't know why everybody keeps telling onsolidrock "not to judge" Jimmy Swaggart. Jimmy Swaggart is a Christian. We ARE to righteously judge our brothers and sisters in Christ. That's biblical, my friends!!

Let's remember, God has set a HIGH STANDARD for church leaders. Jimmy Swaggart FAILED that standard and, yet, has refused to step down from the leadership position in which he places himself. He is going AGAINST God's word.

Nobody said Jimmy Swaggart isn't forgiven...just that he CONTINUES to be in violation of the Word of God that he preaches, and, therefore, is not trusted by many.

If that doesn't bother you, that's fine. That's your business. But, IMO, you're going against Scripture when you tell others not to "judge" the rotten fruit of Jimmy Swaggart.

[rs41]

I don't know why everybody keeps telling onsolidrock "not to judge" Jimmy Swaggart. Jimmy Swaggart is a Christian. We ARE to righteously judge our brothers and sisters in Christ. That's biblical, my friends!!

Let's remember, God has set a HIGH STANDARD for church leaders. Jimmy Swaggart FAILED that standard and, yet, has refused to step down from the leadership position in which he places himself. He is going AGAINST God's word.

Nobody said Jimmy Swaggart isn't forgiven...just that he CONTINUES to be in violation of the Word of God that he preaches, and, therefore, is not trusted by many.

If that doesn't bother you, that's fine. That's your business. But, IMO, you're going against Scripture when you tell others not to "judge" the rotten fruit of Jimmy Swaggart.There is no way for either of you to know at this moment if he has repented or not. Don't tell me I'm going against scripture. I sure don't need you judging me.

[onsolidrock]

No it's not enough said. You are wrong, plain wrong. I hope you are judged more fairly than you are judging Rev. Swaggert

Am I wrong in saying that I hope that he has since truly repented?

[onsolidrock]

Remember by the same standards you judge others, God will judge you.

Mate, I am glad God forgives.

So am I glad that God forgives. I just hope that Jimmy truly has repented.

It's just that I have my doubts when he made a big show of repenting the first time and then went out and did it again. It makes it hard to trust him again.

[jerbear]

I have heard more truth out of Jimmy Swaggart as far as the Gospel than anyone else I can think of.

[Becky]

What the heck is the "The Expositor's New Testament"? :confused

[Becky]

Here is his "annointing" website:

http://www.jsm.org/exploreJSM.cfm

Jimmy Swaggart, in addition to being an Anointed
Minister, is one of the best-selling Gospel Music
Artists of all-time, with total sales in excess
of 15,000,000 Recordings worldwide.

[billiefan2000]

I don't want to judge the man. I pray that he has repented. If he is sending Bibles that's a good thing.

One thing is for certain though. He's not a big name preacher anymore. His fall was hard and swift.


I agree and I hope he has repented and I hope others on TBN and BET :wink would follow Jimmy's example and send bibles to troops.

[jerbear]

The Expositors New Testament has expositors notes explaining every verse. It is quite beneficial in studying the word. It is my favorite Bible right now.

[sandy111]

anytime we tithe or give our money to the Lord, we should check out what organization/individual we are giving it too. Are they trustworthy?

I think we are accountable for that.

Just because hes suppossedly sending bibles to the troops does'nt mean we
close our eyes and "hope" he is. We are to check it out.
If he is, great, in not well, you just avoided a pit fall.

swaggert should have stepped down. he knows it and we know it.
he has given good cause for us to check deeper into it and "make sure"
he is being truthful.

what bothered me is the lack of shame.
and becky you posted something showing how many blasted records the man sold. now why on earth does a man of God have to "brag" about how many records he's sold????
that really bugs me.

[RonnieBee]

Jimmy Swaggert may have slipped and fell, but at least give the man credit for all the souls he has led to Christ to receive their own salvation. :nod

[american]

After having a "fun" night out with people who flat out said they would rather be with gays than Christians, I think people like Jimmy Swaggart have A LOT to answer for.

I don't know if I have a right to judge him as a man or not, but once he put himself in the public eye as a CHRISTIAN, he should have thought A LOT more about his actions.

People like him, and Jim Baker, and others like them have sown alot of poison in the public toward "hypocritical Christians".

[arkieangel]

How thankful I am that the sins I committed in my life were not made public or I too would be judged and convicted of non repentence and still headed for hell. Thankful too that God is my judge and jury. None of us knows what is truly inside this mans heart today, just as none of us knows what is each others hearts from past, present and future.

[sandy111]

thats true we are not to judge the hearts of another,

all I'm saying is has anyone checked to make sure hes actually sending bibles to the troops?

[sandy111]

If he is then "alright"!!!!!

I just would rather do a bit of checking than just take their word for it.

[Young American]

He got caught