The Passion Movie is Evil #3

[BHiles]

The Passion is Evil Post #1 of 250

Ok, these Passion threads are getting WAY out of control here.

This thread is for anyone who wished to diss the movie, or post comments from media types that diss the movie or whatever.

No arguing by supporters allowed!

For those who do support the efforts of this film, pretend like this thread doesn't exist. The fruits will be evident enough, I believe.

ChristineA Continuation from the Passion is Evil Thread located Here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134273)

[BusyMom]

Thanks Bhiles for opening this up again.

For all you brothers and sisters who feel they shouldn't go see this move, I will add my encouragement to follow that feeling. There are people here who went and sadly regret it. I pray that that doesn't happen to others!

Oh God, that we would recognize Your voice in Your Word and in our hearts in ALL things. Teach us to listen and obey.

I really love you guys! God is so REAL, isn't He?

[jelli<><]

Yes he is.

[Godpleaser]

My posts about legitimate spiritual concerns that affected me "personally" (I was not dissing the movie) were closed and sent to the Passion is Evil thread??

I did not once say that. I thought I was only stating a concern and asked for advice and then when I felt the Holy Spirit gave me my "personal" answer, It was judged as being fit only for the "evil" thread.

What's up with that? I don't mean to sound rude but aren't we supposed to support one another in love?

I did say on my other posts that it was a personal decision and to do as God leads concerning their decision,,,personally.

I did in fact give the thumbs up to the movie because it can be used of God to draw people to him...I was not dissing it.

You have to read between the lines to "insert" this meaning into it.

As, I have said it was a personal decision for me only.

As for this separation of threads...I guess Jesus was right.

"I have come not to bring peace, but a sword (division)"
and
"You shall be hated by ALL men for my name's sake"

I am sorry but I just had to vent....when I feel I am being ostracized because I want to "obey God rather than men", well then all I can say is ...

I love you all like a brother (or sister)... May God bless you and draw you to Jesus.

Prayerfully
Godpleaser.

PS my wife DID see the movie and she did diss it... she "does not recommend it to anyone...especially unbelievers." (her words not mine)

[luvjc]

I was going to log off and head to bed - but saw this and had to reply.

GodPleaser - I apologized for merging your thread where I did. It had a negative slant on the movie and so I put it there. As soon as I did it, I thought it would have been better served in the Volume 2 thread in Anything Goes where both sides were being discussed.

I have been reading and reading and stewing and merging and moving and editing and warning and on and on and on with all of these Passion Threads. It's been downright difficult to bite my tongue at times and to keep up with it all. You want to vent about it? Go ahead - I just don't care anymore. :(:


I already apologized for it on the thread I closed. Can we move on now?

[Sojourner]

Godpleaser, for what it's forth I agree with you. Like I said in my previous post, the Holy Spirit can have different reasons for each individual to see or not see the Passion. Finding out what those reasons are is actually like having the light go on (so to speak). I don't think the movie is "evil"...not a good word for the title of this thread. It's just nice to have a thread for those of us who have been convicted not to see the movie to discuss the "whys" and help one another understand. :nod

[RJs here]

I've got to imagine since Ash Weds ~ when the movie came out, this has got to have been like THE 2 most difficult weeks the admins around here have experienced, eh?!

Don't envy you guys ~ but you all seem to be holding up quite well under the circumstances.

Job well done! :clap


Godpleaser ~ actually what you wrote about FIT IN QUITE WELL with this other thread --

if/when you have a chance to read thru' it ~ I think you will understand. And FTR ~ only reason the thread is titled, "The Passion is Evil" is Christine was trying to make a STARK CONTRAST for posters to UNDERSTAND *WHERE* (which thread) they were to post in.

If they're *for it* ~ they're to post in the thread that says, "The Passion is a Blessing" ~ or if they're against it, they're to post here.


All the posts that I personally have read have been quite civil ~ now I can't personally vouch for the first thread -- cuz I don't think I got in on it till thread #2.


Anyway, please read thru' ~ and I think you will find PLENTY that you agree with!! :nod Some have had experiences SIMILAR to YOURS.

There were a few who HAD SEEN the movie -- and then later had GREAT regrets, wishing that they would NOT HAVE.

And for the most part, we are not dissing the movie ~ as though it is not for everyone.... {does that make ANY sense? :confused ~ I'm tired tonight, too....} but we are trying to listen & follow to the HS ~ and find out what's right FOR US.


PLEASE don't take it wrong that your thread was merged -- most ALL the Passion threads have been merged into ONE LONG *BLOB* {remember THAT movie, y'all??} in Anything Goes..... where, heheh -- you'd likely never see it again.

So with that, feel good that it was moved HERE, where we can discuss it. Know that you're among friends here. :wave

[zeal4thelord]

Here is a commentary about the movie from the Cross+Word website. I thought it was very much worth reading:

http://www.banner.org.uk/news/Flash.html

Unfortunately only those of us who are already 'doubters' are likely to read the article, but it helped me to understand better some of the questions and doubts that I had, and it focused some things for me. The writer correctly predicts the divisions that seem to be developing around this movie. He says, ''If you stand against this film and the events that will follow, you may feel very isolated indeed,''
and I have felt that way, so I'm glad to find a few others who have had similar misgivings.

[haeschen]

Dear brother - your experience of feeling ill in the presence of a religious spirit is not unique.
When I was a baby Christian the Lord used to give me very similar physical sensations. The Lord knew I was hungry to know more and more about him and his Word. I desired to be blessed by the Holy Spirit and enjoyed reading testimony books.
Once I read a book about prophecies given to a priest, who shared them with his superior. It was all about the endtimes. I was curious to know what it was all about, since the church imprimatur was given to that book, I felt safe in reading it. Every time I read it I got sick to my stomach. Speaking about it with a nun, made me sick to my stomach. At first I could not understand why. I was a born-again catholic then. Like you I cried to the Lord, yet the sick feeling did not leave me until after I got rid of the book.
Since I was then not very Bible literate, I believe the Lord used the physical reaction to discern religious spirits. Now the Holy Spirit quickens scriptures to my heart that address my hearts concerns. And now I choose to believe the Word and hold fast to them, not allowing anything that speaks contrary to it to guide me.
I pray this testimony helps you.

[Godpleaser]

Thanks for the support guys...you know who you are.

I am also sorry to the admins if I sounded too offensive,
I did not mean to do so and surely did not mean to cast a negative slant on the movie.

For this I humbly ask your forgiveness.
I only hope that there is no love lost between us.
I look forward to meeting you on the streets of gold when all debates are done. Amen.

Thanks for moving the thread as I am sure it will be better served where it now is.

For those who have not read my final post it is on the 'Passion is Evil' thread #2.. post 174 of 180...

This is just to clarify that the Holy Spirit gave me my personal answer in regards to the passion.

I still pray that people who do see it will be convicted in their heart of sin and come to repentance and a right relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...

To God be the Glory in all things. Amen.

Godpleaser.

PS RJ...I did read the other threads..quite interesting but am not passing any judgements. As I just noted... May God be glorified in all things. Amen.

[RJs here]

like luvjc ~ I was on my way to bed... when (heheh!) silly addiction of computer drew me back in here one more time.... ;):


Just wanted to further explain .... the reason your thread was moved in the first place was cuz they are moving ALL Passion threads these days.

See, they were just getting OVERLOADED with WAY TOO MANY of 'em.

Instead of the Rapture Ready Board ~ it was turning into the Passion Review Board.... ;):


So anyway -- when ANYBODY starts ANY NEW *PASSION THREAD* ~ it always gets merged with the other ongoing ones.

And I agree w/ya' ~ no, we're not here to pass judgment on anyone else either. Yet, we should be able to speak freely of the how's and why's or why not's ~ regarding the movie.

Okay ~ over & out! :wave


I'm really, really, REALLY going to bed THIS TIME!! ;):


edit ~ well, ALMOST went to bed!! heheh....

anyway -- did you read Shieldbearer's REVIEW -- he saw the movie & all should read about how it affected him!! :fear

[blessing]

Originally posted by zeal4thelord
Here is a commentary about the movie from the Cross+Word website. I thought it was very much worth reading:

http://www.banner.org.uk/news/Flash.html

Unfortunately only those of us who are already 'doubters' are likely to read the article, but it helped me to understand better some of the questions and doubts that I had, and it focused some things for me. The writer correctly predicts the divisions that seem to be developing around this movie. He says, ''If you stand against this film and the events that will follow, you may feel very isolated indeed,''
and I have felt that way, so I'm glad to find a few others who have had similar misgivings.

Thanks for the site. This has given me joy to realise that there are people who realize that it is not such a great movie after all.

There is another review which seems to echo some of my objection to the blood and gore, though from an unbeliever. In fact, we have to give heed to them, for I was led to understand this was for the unbelievers, so as to to bring them to repentance.

http://www.metroweekly.com/arts_entertainment/film.php?ak=891

As the the Word says....
"Not by might, not by power, but by My Spirit " says the Lord Almighty. If the Lord has chosen them from the foundation of time, by hearing the Word of God they would come to Him. Paul did not have to use the 'modern tools' to bring those 1st century pagans to Christianity, just by the Power of the Word of God.

[Doc]

This movie has caused so much turmoil and talk. I decided to come here, and listen to my brothers and sisters...


When I read in my Bible of these events, I cry. I have already felt pain for it. I have already felt the love of God, knowing the sacrifice he was willing to make for ME. I didn't know if I would want to me shocked as well... It isn't necessary, I have felt the Holy Spirit when I read the bible. I was touched with just the words of my Bible.


I don't know if I will ever go see this. I will not make my decision by the gore I expect.

I started to read these threads, and its HUGE. There are a multidue of demonstartions in the first few pages alone that strongly indicate that there are non-biblical things in this movie.


I will say this, and stand by it. If this changes the word of God, IT IS NOT GOOD. PERIOD, DOT. I apologize if I offend you, but its that simple.


That all I have to say about this.

[BHiles]

Please Read this with Prayerful Consideration

Well folks,

I think all that can be said, has been said and then some. In anything of life if we take an issue and become so myopic that this issue takes over our lives and our spirituallity we become the very definition of froward.

Any issue, even issues that are quite good to talk about can become froward speech when that is all we can see. Proverbs speaks a great deal with becoming froward. Proverbs 3:32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous. Froward people see an issue and can only focus on that one thing. They exagerate its importance above all other things including God and can become idolatry in and of itself. It can hurt your spirituality and even lead you down the path of Romans 1 before you know it. For it was froward thoughts that causes one to hold the truth in unrighteuosness. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Let us not be counted among these.

Let us now stop any and all personal attacks and any and all attack on "us vs them" because in reality we have seen the enemy and the enemy is us. We are all on the same side of so many issues. We know what we know and they know what they know and for the most part never the twain will meet this side of heaven. We have to much in common as being believers in Christ and watcher for His return to enter into some of the arguments that we have in the manner in which we have. It take a tremendous amount of discipline to stay to the issue and not make us and them. It also takes a lot more work than the ad hom attacks that are cheap and a poor debating tactic let alone against the board rules.

We have said it all. We have done our research and if you kept the right spirit in all this hopefully you learned alot and you grew closer to God. If you did not and you did not practice self-control then what is the point? If we're against the movie and yet don't grow closer to Him by not seeing it what good did the abstinence do?

There is a time for everything under heaven and right now I believe it may be a time for quiet. Ecclesiastes 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;


Let us call not only a truce but a healing.

In Christ,

Brent

[blessing]

Does this movie strictly follows the Bible as stated by so many .....?

In the movie .....in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus is repeatedly punched in the face by Caiaphas' guards. After this savage fist beating, Jesus' face is swollen and very puffy. In fact, His right eye is completely closed. For the rest of the movie, Jesus is shown as being able to see only out of His LEFT eye, as this picture clearly demonstrates. Right up until the time of His death on the cross, Jesus is able to see out with only one eye. In other words, Jesus is a one-eyed Messiah for the vast majority of this movie....

Today I was going through Zechariah chapter 11:17

17 "Woe to the worthless shepherd,
who deserts the flock!
May the sword strike his arm and his right eye!
May his arm be completely withered,
his right eye totally blinded!"

This passage clearly portrays the Antichrist, the 'Worthless Shepherd', then why did those who produce the film make our Lord with as a one-eye Messiah and that to as accurately as portrayed in the OT passage of Zech 11:17. Is this a coincidence or just another Poetic license that had been shown in the movie?

But Gibson has placed even more emphasis on a one-eyed depiction because he has selected a human one-eye picture for his own business, Icon Productions. This picture shows a person's face in which the nose and the left eye are most prominent. You may view this symbol of Gibson's Icon Productions at: http://www.iconmovies.net/

In the movie, while Jesus is hanging on the cross, He turns His head slightly to the side and the camera focuses in on exactly the area of His face that is depicted in Gibson's symbol for his Icon Productions! Jesus' nose is to the lower left of the screen while His bloody eye is to the upper right. This camera shot lasted only a few seconds, but the scene is identical to his production company's symbol

There are many, many instances where the movie is distorting the Gospel and not going according to the Gospel.

For instance,
*In the garden of Gethsemane the whole scene has been -fabricated. Hardly adhering to the Bible. Why did they do that? The angels were sent to strengthen the Lord NOT Satan. Why then add to the Word of God so as to distort the whole thing?

* All those scenes re: Mary her suffering etc, with her Son all those are RC traditions not Christian and definitely not from the Bible.

* Why the depiction of the Satan and child? This is not in the Bible? This is extraneous scene introduced? Why ?

* At the ending of the movie; as Jesus rose from his seat at the end of crypt stone near the burial cloths and as He began to walk away, the camera showed his bare back. That scene was the very last thing you saw before the credits began to come up. Why this addition? Nothing in the Bible says anything like this!

If Gibson claims to stick to the Gospel why, why did he take so much of liberty and add all these things that robs the glory from our Saviour? Do we need to go and see this movie that robs the Lord's glory? Do we have to be partakers of such thing?

I have seen Jesus' movies such as "The greatest story ever told" or for that matter " Jesus of Nazareth" though they have used some fillings here and there it does in no way distort the Gospel accounts, instead it enhances the whole movie. This movie is another matter.

I have taken quite a few points from cuttingedge.

Sorry I did not mean to prolong the argument, for after posting this only did I realise that Truce had been declared.:): Forgive me, whatever I have written is not against those who are for the movie, but brought a few sticking points about the movie. I tried not to attack the person but the way the movie is produced.:wave

[PreTribber]

Originally posted by Godpleaser
As for this separation of threads...I guess Jesus was right.

"I have come not to bring peace, but a sword (division)"
and
"You shall be hated by ALL men for my name's sake"

Jesus was not implying a division against each other to those who are His. There should be no division between believers, as it is Christ who cohesively makes us one body. Neither was He referring to brothers and sisters in Christ as the haters, when He said we would be hated by all men. He was speaking of the world [non-believers] against the believers.

And neither does that verse have to do with the separation of these threads.

:):

[cinlynn]

I am just wondering.. NOT arguing.. but wondering...


WHO, that HAS posted in THIS particular thread.. HAS seen the film??

I really want to know. :nod

Anyone??

[blessing]

The points have been taken from senior and mature pastors who have viewed the movie, and have criticised the moive.:):

[lighthouse]

I HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE
AND I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT
YES HE TOOK SOME LIBERTIES WITH IT
BUT NO MORE SO THAN OTHER FILMS ON THE LORD THAT I HAVE
MOST OF THE CRITICS OF THIS FILM [THAT I READ- NOT ON RR, CUZ I HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING RR ON THIS]
ARE ANGRY WITH THE BEATING
OF JESUS THE CHRIST
I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON HIS TEACHINGS NOT HIS DEATH
THEY FORGET OR DO NOT KNOW
THAT WITHOUT THE DEATH BURIAL
AND RESURRECTION
JESUS IS JUST ANOTHER MAN AND NOT GOD
THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS WAS TAKING UPON HIMSELF THE SINS OF THE WORLD
HE WAS SUFFERING IN OUR PLACE
THIS FILM SHOWED THAT
IT WAS OUR SINS THAT PUT HIM THERE


AT THE END ALL THEY SHOW IS THE BURIAL CLOTH THAN JESUS SIDE WITH HIS HAND
AND SHOWED THE NAIL HOLE IN HIS HAND
IT DOES NOT SHOW HIS BACK


LET THE BELIEVERS ON THE BOARD LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND NOT GET ANGRY IF YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT SEEN THIS FILM

THE FILM IS NOT EVIL
IT IS AFTERALL A MOVIE
BUT THIS ONE SHOWS THE PAIN THAT JESUS SUFFERED FOR US
FOR ME
FOR YOU

THAT WE MIGHT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
BY THIS SACRIFICE
BY HIS BLOOD THE CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN
THE VEIL TO THE HOLY OF HOLIES
HAS BEEN RENT IN TWO
[I REJOICED AT THAT]
WE NOW HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO GOD
WHEN WE ACCEPT JESUS
AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR



AND YA SEE
I KNOW HOW HE IS RETURNING!

AS THE

LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

AND HE COMES WITH VENGEANCE
FOR THE BELIEVERS
NO MORE TEARS
FOR THE NONBELIEVERS
ETERNAL DAMNATION


SO IF THIS FILM
LEADS JUST ONE PERSON TO COME TO HIM
THAN IT IS A GOOD THING INDEED

[lighthouse]

The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.

The Book of the Prophet
Isaiah
53


1 Who hath believed our report? Rom. 10.16 and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? Joh. 12.38

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: Mt. 8.17 yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 1 Pet. 2.24

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; 1 Pet. 2.25 we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 ¶ He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, Rev. 5.6 and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: Acts 8.32, 33 for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 1 Pet. 2.22

10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors: Mk. 15.28 · Lk. 22.37 and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[FALLEN4JESUS]

this is so sad my dad asked me the other day how the movie was and he is not born again at the time i was ok with the movie but because i was letting my flesh over rule my spirit!! anyways i told him he will just have 2 watch it, same with my older brother it is so crazy these 2 family members of mine r interested in this movie but never be4 was interested in anything else that had 2 do with "Jesus Christ" they make fun of me and joke around often about me being a christian but now this movie is out and they want 2 see it???????? :confused please pray 4 them and not just them but the many others who r wanting 2 go see it

this is my final conclusion on this whole thing!! IF GOD ALMIGHTY WANTED ME 2 SEE JESUS CRUCIFIED I WOULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE THEN! NOT NOW

[Mercy4Me]

Lighthouse, why are you posting this here when the rules of these 2 threads clearly say:


Originally posted by Christine
Ok, these Passion threads are getting WAY out of control here.

This thread is for anyone who wished to diss the movie, or post comments from media types that diss the movie or whatever.

No arguing by supporters allowed!

For those who do support the efforts of this film, pretend like this thread doesn't exist. The fruits will be evident enough, I believe.

Christine

I do not see any of us going to the "blessing" thread and trying to stir the pot, please be considerate of those of us who are trying to obey the rules, as they have been laid out, and please stop shouting at us we are still your brothers and sisters in Christ.


Edit: to complete a thought. :):

[JoyAtLast]

Originally posted by cinlynn
I am just wondering.. NOT arguing.. but wondering...


WHO, that HAS posted in THIS particular thread.. HAS seen the film??

I really want to know. :nod

Anyone??

Hi Cinlynn,

There ARE some here who have seen the film and have issues with the film. They have posted their thoughts on the previous threads.

But I can tell you why I won't see it. I realize for some who say, "Why don't you see it and then make a decision about the movie?"

For me personally, not seeing the film is about guarding my heart and trying to be obedient to God. I'm not saying that those who have seen it are being disobedient to God -- I can't answer for them.

But God knows my heart better than anyone and He knows my vulnerabilities so much that I think He is trying to protect me here. Given my past life before I was saved, I think it is warranted. So for me to go and see the movie is a big deal, where seeing the movie for someone else just to even check it is not a big deal.

Also, I have seen enough clips and read so many reviews and have prayed about it. I have the confirmation I need.

We're just trying to encourage each other here. I was very excited about the movie at first but that feeling went away as the release date drew close.

But it's not a salvation issue and I'm keeping that in perspective. BHiles is right about not letting it take over our life.

I do need encouragement, too. In my own life away from the computer, I am seeing an almost condemnation-like tone in my own church for those who are against the movie. I have stayed silent about my views except to one person. I'm not going there because I have a feeling it's just me and my friend who are thinking this way! (it's a small church).

Anyway, thanks for your question...I don't express myself as eloquently as others and I haven't been able to post many of the problems I have with the film because of time constraints, but I have sincerely told you what's on my heart, for whatever it's worth. It's just one person's opinion.

God Bless, sister. :wave

[jelli<><]

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance,

...since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


*I may be taking his verse out of context in light of what we are discussing, but the latter part of the verse did come to my mind when viewing the movie, and I felt sick to be a part of it.

[Don]

Originally posted by FALLEN4JESUS
IF GOD ALMIGHTY WANTED ME 2 SEE JESUS CRUCIFIED I WOULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE THEN! NOT NOW
Or he would have motivated someone to make a movie depicting Christ's suffering during the time which you were alive.

Also, if God had meant for you to move at a rate of more than 4 mph, he would have made you with rockets on your feet.

Come on; what kind of reasoning is this?

[RJs here]

:nono


TOO MANY OF YOU ARE FORGETTING THAT *THIS THREAD* is strictly for those who see this movie from a negative slant!!!


That's the rules, folks!! No arguing by supporters allowed!PLEASE stick to them!!!


If you want to talk about *how wonderful* it is ~ then stick to the "Passion is a Blessing" thread!!




BHiles ~ I commend you for wanting to call a truce & I agree that most everything that needed to be said ~ HAS been said.... but (chuckle) ~ I just found it a bit ironic that you opened a THIRD thread for this ~ if you didn't expect ppl to continue talking about it! ;):

[jelli<><]

Or he would have motivated someone to make a movie depicting Christ's suffering during the time which you were alive.

Don, this thread was started for those of us who don't feel right about this movie.

[Christine]

lighthouse,

Warning issued. As Medic has mentioned, we are taking a no-tolerance policy towards starting fights for the sake of fighting on this topic.

[andy]

Originally posted by BHiles
Please Read this with Prayerful Consideration

Well folks,

I think all that can be said, has been said and then some. In anything of life if we take an issue and become so myopic that this issue takes over our lives and our spirituallity we become the very definition of froward.

Any issue, even issues that are quite good to talk about can become froward speech when that is all we can see. Proverbs speaks a great deal with becoming froward. Proverbs 3:32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous. Froward people see an issue and can only focus on that one thing. They exagerate its importance above all other things including God and can become idolatry in and of itself. It can hurt your spirituality and even lead you down the path of Romans 1 before you know it. For it was froward thoughts that causes one to hold the truth in unrighteuosness. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Let us not be counted among these.

Let us now stop any and all personal attacks and any and all attack on "us vs them" because in reality we have seen the enemy and the enemy is us. We are all on the same side of so many issues. We know what we know and they know what they know and for the most part never the twain will meet this side of heaven. We have to much in common as being believers in Christ and watcher for His return to enter into some of the arguments that we have in the manner in which we have. It take a tremendous amount of discipline to stay to the issue and not make us and them. It also takes a lot more work than the ad hom attacks that are cheap and a poor debating tactic let alone against the board rules.

We have said it all. We have done our research and if you kept the right spirit in all this hopefully you learned alot and you grew closer to God. If you did not and you did not practice self-control then what is the point? If we're against the movie and yet don't grow closer to Him by not seeing it what good did the abstinence do?

There is a time for everything under heaven and right now I believe it may be a time for quiet. Ecclesiastes 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;


Let us call not only a truce but a healing.

In Christ,

Brent

I am not commenting on the movie but on this post.

Amen, my brother! Praise God.:thumb

[farfromhome]

:thumb I second that Andy!

[Don]

Originally posted by jelli<><
Don, this thread was started for those of us who don't feel right about this movie.
My post was not against people feeling bad about the movie. My post was against bad reasoning.

FWIW, I'm not to high on the movie myself, so I guess that makes it officially OK for me to post in this thread anyway.

[Bob Billings]

BHiles I posted on the Passion Movie on End Times Chat.I agree with you take a look Bob

[almondeyes73]

:popcorn

[Rayday]

I have posted repeatedly against this movie as many of you know. I have exposed the whole thing about the "nail" warning about its true meaning. But there is something else that I did not post that has been on my mind and I did not want to post it earlier because I didn't feel comfortable at that time. We all know both sides of the argument. I have heard just about every side and every argument sorrounding this movie. I am more convinced than ever that this movie did not have the Lord's blessing. This however does not mean the Holy Spirit will not use it. I am certain that He will use it for His purpose but His purpose is not going to be the one expected. He is not going to use it to spark a revival. I have read up on old time revivals in the past and they were awalys joyful events with a lot of singing, praising and Scripture reading going on. I don't see that happening here at all. I see sad faces filled with tears. I hear about people not being able to sleep or eat. People feeling guilty about seeing this movie. Many are walking away from the theater in dismay and confused. I saw that coming. I saw that this movie was going to shock the conscious of many and it has done just that. There are brethren out there that have seen this movie and are hurting because of it. Let's reach out to them and let them know that it is alright. They feel that way because they realize there was something wrong with the movie. At least they see the truth now. This is not my only reason for this post.

There is something else about this movie that no one has seen anywhere and now I am going to tell you what that thing is. This movie is drawing Satanist and others in the occult to watch their hated foe "Jesus" die! They are gloating on this my brothers and sisters. I have been told by several different people that they have seen people with T-shirts that say "Satan" complete with picture going to this movie. They are not going to see it out of love, they are going to see it out of hate! For those who have seen this movie. Reflect on those who were around you. Did you see any of them? I have no doubt that some were there. I have heard also how many felt the presence of demons near them in the theater! Many prayed to send them away! That is not something the Holy Spirit would allow if this movie was coming from God.

There is alot more to this movie than we are being told. With each passing day I feel more and more bad feelings about the entire thing.

The Lord's peace to all of you!!!

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by cinlynn
I am just wondering.. NOT arguing.. but wondering...


WHO, that HAS posted in THIS particular thread.. HAS seen the film??

Not that it honestly matters.. (as we wouldn't see movies that are in direct contrast to our faith.. such as HP or other things..)

I have seen the movie, and wish I had not.

It was as I stated it would be, and more. :sigh

and if you want more info, i'd be glad to email you, because I will not help prolong the argument on this site, unless things regress back to name calling and I stand up and again request that the arguing stop, and people listen to each other peaceably, not as if each other is the actual Anti-Messiah.

:wave

[billywhitebread]

wow, i'm at a loss for words...

revival only starts with repentance....then and only then can revival start...with a contrite heart...personally this movie has added to my faith and strenght knowing what was endured. its easy to "pop off" about beliefs and feelings without knowing anything about the movie and how accurate it was surrounding the time...

as far as being labled "evil" the very same can be said for this bulletien board...it has more controversy in it than anything else i have ever encountered in my ministry...

[almondeyes73]

:tape

[Becky]

billywhitebread, this board is a God send to most of us. Unfortunately, we get posters who do not understand the art of discussion. Have you been to any other Christian board out there? Go take a look and then come back here. We have some of the best members and well behaved member here on this board.

Just like any board though, we have those who come to stir up trouble. :sigh

Let's think before we post. :thumb

[Rayday]

Originally posted by Becky
billywhitebread, this board is a God send to most of us. Unfortunately, we get posters who do not understand the art of discussion. Have you been to any other Christian board out there? Go take a look and then come back here. We have some of the best members and well behaved member here on this board.

Just like any board though, we have those who come to stir up trouble. :sigh

Let's think before we post. :thumb

I agree with you Becky. I have been around the BB circuit and not only have I been kicked off a few but have ben threatened with legal action because I spoke my mind which went against the desired mode of thinking on a particular board. I was cut to pieces and denied the opportunity to defend my self. This board is the best I have seen. It isn't perfect but that is what is so nice about it!

YBIC,

Ray

Edited in:

I will disclose the reason I was kicked off a certain BB and threatened with legal action. I defended Dave Hunt against attacks that insinuated he was a Jesuit. The accuser was/is the owner of a website I am sure many of you are familiar with. It used to be www.michaelbunker.com and has since changed to www.lazarusunbound.com.

[BHiles]

Originally posted by RJs here

BHiles ~ I commend you for wanting to call a truce & I agree that most everything that needed to be said ~ HAS been said.... but (chuckle) ~ I just found it a bit ironic that you opened a THIRD thread for this ~ if you didn't expect ppl to continue talking about it! ;):

Because the people I was trying to reach were the people of this thread. I think that makes sense. I have already posted something similar on the blessings thread although I could not call for a truce on that thread. That is up to the supporters of it.

I continue again to ask that we all call a truce and police ourselves in this issue now.

[Rayday]

I agree with you BHiles. I think we need to get back on track here. The movie debate has gone on long enough. It is time to patch things up. I know that many feel that they have lost something valuable because of this debate and infighting that has been such a part of this very difficult topic. It seems as though a line has been drawn and we are now divided. I'm not saying that all of us feel this way. But I feel that something has seperated many of us from where we were before. I am referring to the closeness that we as brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus are supposed to feel for one another. I have personally apologized to several by PM'ing them. I do not want this movie to have the power to seperate me from my Christian brethren. There are already so few in the world. We need to stay together. If we let this divide divide us we are being weak and playing right into Satan's hands! It's time to stop fighting and time to start making things right. No matter what we say here on this board the movie is being played over and over and over. It is most definitely impacting those who see it. It was meant to! We may not see the full results of this movie soon but the things I have heard and seen tell me that there are many a teary eye that needs to be dried!

Edited for spelling.

[RJs here]

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134913 ;):


The hour is *VERY LATE* folks!!

[annie10]

You are both right, I have been feeling really bad of the seperation that has taken place especially between Christians on this one. I don't understand, I have prayed about it, but haven't receive an answer yet. I don't know what to make of it, because the seperation is great, and not just here but everywhere also.

I am very sad about it!!:cry

[JoyAtLast]

Truce

:):

[jelli<><]

Yes truce, but not compromise.:(:

[BHiles]

Originally posted by jelli<><
Yes truce, but not compromise.:(:


There was none and the posts stand as written but we can decide that this is an area in which we agree to disagree and we will not go during this time of healing.

[BHiles]

Form the Blessing thread.

Regardless of who is right on this issue now begs the question: What do we do about it? The movie has been seen. The unbelievers have questions and what will we do now? How do we keep the level of intensity that was either sparked by the movie or by those arguing against the movie, their intense study into what they believe is truth also having drawn themselves closer to the Lord? Will we allow poor argument techniques used by both sides to cloud the Holy Spirit's power within our lives or will we come together to finish our course?

Its going to get a lot harder for us now. The unbelievers are
going to really rev up their agendas. There will be major backlash from this film because one cannot be presented with the burden of the Blood of Christ without making a decision. Either they will harden or they will come to Him. When out witnessing If I bring up the blood of Christ immediately it brings a reaction. It polarizes. It places the literal blood of Christ on their hands and they know it whether they admit it or not. It cries out and demands a verdict.

So let us use the healing balm of gilead now and as a people, A people with a common focus to watch, comfort, encourage and inspire each other as we go forth and finish our reponsibility to those who have come and gone before as they have passed the baton of the faith to us to faithfully finish our course until the the glorious appearing of the One we love.

In His Love,

Brent


Jeremiah 8:21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me.
22 Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?

[antsinmypants]

While I am apt to say "ok Truce, but no compromise" as Jelli has said; I cannot honestly call a truce, because this is something I am dealing with on a day to day basis at work, and at my synogogue.

We're honestly "split" when it comes to how members are acting towards each other in light of this movie.

I can't stay silent when a brother is being trodden underfoot.
I also cannot when I know there isn't as close to 100% (as someone can get it) truth being taught.

I won't stay silent if someone asks me either, because that is what we are called to do, Have a ready answer.

But, As I have (mostly) stayed silent about the issue here on RR, I will continue to stay low key on it.

[Medic911]

:nod

Much better. Thanks to all.

I realize that this is an emotional issue for many, but it shouldn't create division.

Things seem to be settling down, and I appreciate all who are making it happen.


:wave

[Shieldbearer]

Definitely - we need a truce.

Talked to my pastor last night, he said the usual stuff about not seeing the catholicism, and how the movie has blessed him. He was surprised at my reaction, and honestly listened, but his opinion didn't change.

I was so upset this morning, I began thinking maybe I should leave the church I'm at. Then I realized I was under spiritual attack. After much prayer, I got my answer from God:

"Let it go."

I don't mean I'll compromise how I feel, and if anyone asks me, I'll tell them. But otherwise, it's time to just let it go - I imagine Satan is loving the rifts he's causing among believers.

My pastor did say that if I felt it was a sin to see the movie, then I needed to ask forgiveness for that (already had done that) and then I shouldn't let Satan use this whole thing as a tool against me. I thought that was good advice.

[Medic911]

Shieldbearer, just wanted to comment that I like your signature quote. I really love that song!
:):

[JoyAtLast]

Yes, Shieldbearer, I agree.

Besides, once eternity is here we won't give it a second thought.

[A.Rachel]

Originally posted by Shieldbearer

My pastor did say that if I felt it was a sin to see the movie, then I needed to ask forgiveness for that (already had done that) and then I shouldn't let Satan use this whole thing as a tool against me. I thought that was good advice.

If it is sin to you, then don't do it.

I have not seen the film and do not plan to. Just following my gut - it has been telling me NOT to see the movie.

These posts are very interesting.

I say: if you are feeling led to see it and you like it, good. But also, if you are being led NOT to see it, then that is fine too.

We are all different and react differently to different things - God knows us better than we know ourselves. If He is leading you to see the movie, then great! But if He is leading you to NOT see the movie, then I think that is something you should obey.

My husband really wants to see the movie, but I don't. That is okay. I hope he comes away from it blessed for having seen it. As for me, I don't think I would be, so I am not going to see it.


JMHO.

[Medic911]

A.Rachel has pretty much hit it on the head.

We are all different, and while they movie may edify some it could also be damaging to others. (Especially those with low tolerance for bloodshed or depictions of pain)

The key is to follow one's own convictions, yet not to condemn others who are led in a different direction. (I'm speaking with regard to this movie, and not to actions which are clearly sinful)

[lighthouse]

When He Was On The Cross, I Was On His Mind

Words and Music: R. Hinson and M. Payne

I’m not on an ego trip, I’m nothing on my own
I make mistakes I often slip, just common flesh and bones
But I'll prove someday, just why I say, I’m of a special kind
For when He was on the cross, I was on His mind.

For He knew me yet He loved me
He whose glory makes the heavens shine.
So unworthy of such mercy.
Yet when He was on the cross, I was on His mind.

The look of love was on His face and thorns were on His head
The blood was on His scarlet robe and stained a crimson red
Though His eyes were on the crowd that day, He looked ahead in time
For when He was on the cross, I was on His mind.

For He knew me yet He loved me
He whose glory makes the heavens shine.
So unworthy of such mercy.
Yet when He was on the cross, I was on His mind.

Yet when He was on the cross, I was on His mind.

[BusyMom]

Bhiles,

I so much appreciate your insight, leadership and words of warning regarding this movie, but I'm a little confused by what you mean by a "truce".

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to "police ourselves" so as not to cause undo contention (I know that I've said a couple things that I regret). But I do feel that we have all calmed down and have stuck to the issues at hand and have not been "attacking".

I am probably "winding down" about this movie, but I have to admit that I'm still learning new things from posters here. I also want to be available to encourage others who have just seen the movie and feel upset about.

Anyway, I love you in the Lord Brent and I'm not disagreeing with your heart in this matter - I'm just not sure what a "truce" would look like here when some people are still wanting to "hash this out" for valid reasons!

Edited to add - I usually know what I'm getting froward - my husband tells me!!:laugh

[halfpint]

Originally posted by Godpleaser
Thanks for the support guys...you know who you are.

I am also sorry to the admins if I sounded too offensive,
I did not mean to do so and surely did not mean to cast a negative slant on the movie.

For this I humbly ask your forgiveness.
I only hope that there is no love lost between us.
I look forward to meeting you on the streets of gold when all debates are done. Amen.

Thanks for moving the thread as I am sure it will be better served where it now is.

For those who have not read my final post it is on the 'Passion is Evil' thread #2.. post 174 of 180...

This is just to clarify that the Holy Spirit gave me my personal answer in regards to the passion days ago....

I still pray that people who do see it will be convicted in their heart of sin and come to repentance and a right relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...

To God be the Glory in all things. Amen.

Godpleaser.

PS RJ...I did read the other threads..quite interesting but am not passing any judgements. As I just noted... May God be glorified in all things. Amen.

Boy, don't know what just happened...anyway.....
If it is any conso;ation, I was led to the very same scripture 2 days ago.
Peace.

[lighthouse]

http://www.livinghopechristianchurch.org/music%20page/God_is_good.htm

God is Good

God is good
All the time
He put a song of praise
In this heart of mine

God is good
All the time
Through the darkest time
His light will shine

God is good, God is good
All the time

If you're walkin'
Through the valley
And there are shadows all around
Do not fear
He will guide You
He will keep You safe and sound

He has promised
To never leave You
Nor forsake you
And His word is true

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

I am so broken and troubled in my heart over this. How is it that some do not see the error in this movie and call it simple "art"????? Mel Gibson believes in this nun's vision's, used them in this movie and as long as it does "out right contradict scripture" it is no big deal????????????


What did satan say to Eve in the garden??
He said, Hath God said, that ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?........

Is that what God said, did satan out right contradict the Word of God???????

Because what God said was,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eath of it:

So in looking at it..............satan didn't twist the Word of God just spoke them differently??????? Satan is very subtle...........and I am so leary over anything being added to or taken away from the Word of God......... but embraced by the Christian community......along with the high profile ministers........something is wrong......seriously.

[Charity4Ever]

When the music fades
And all is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
It's all about you
All about you, Jesus
I'm sorry Lord for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You
It's all about you, Jesus

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You
All about You, Jesus
I'm sorry Lord for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You
It's all about You, Jesus.

--Matt Redman, "Heart of Worship"

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

:D: I love that song

[blessing]

THE PASSION" OF ROME: TO BRING ALL WAYWARD CATHOLICS HOME

Rebecca Sexton and several people of Former Catholics For Christ viewed "The Passion" twice and discovered that, not only is the movie solidly Traditional Catholic, it also seems clearly designed to call former Catholics back to the Roman Fold!
As a former Catholic, I resisted going to see Mel Gibson’s movie The Passion of Christ, knowing Mel is a devout Catholic. I would never trust, depend or look to Hollywood for doctrinal instruction. However, with such Christians as Billy Graham, Chuck Colson, Dr. James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and organizations such as the 700 Club, TBN, Campus Crusaders for Christ, etc., as well as many area preachers praising this film as “theologically accurate” and the “newest, hottest evangelizing tool ever”, I felt compelled to go see the movie.

Watching this movie as a former Catholic I quickly saw that unless one has been initiated into the Cult of Catholicism, or well-read in its doctrines, that person probably won’t recognize all the symbolism and false doctrine cleverly hidden within "The Passion of Christ". I saw the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary, the scapular (a brown cloth that comes with a special promise to those who wear it...In the movie, the repentant thief has a crude version of it), the Stations of the Cross, a “chalice” instead of the Biblical “cup”, “St” Veronica, clothing that looked much like a nun’s habit, and of course, the Eucharistic imagery.

But most of all, it reminded me of the place of the Virgin Mary in Roman Catholicism, which makes the Protestant endorsing of this film even more alarming. To those of you who have endorsed this movie, let me just say, in the manner of the Apostle Paul:

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

How anyone can say this movie is “theologically accurate” is beyond me. They are either ignorant of scripture or never believed it to begin with! Be assured that this movie does NOT depict the gospel accurately according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! Events that did take place are omitted, and things that never happened were added. Not only does Mel take lightly the warnings to those who add to or take from the word of God, but so do those who endorse this movie!

Listen to God's warning!
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." [Prov 30:5-6; Also read Deut.4:2, 12:32, Ecc.3:14

This is an excerpt from the Cuttingedge and written by Rebecca Sexton, a former Catholic. They seem to recognize the 'fruit' as a bad fruit. And we have to defer to their opinion, for after all she was steeped in the Catholic tradition before she was saved.

In fact www.cuttingedge.org has been putting out so many articles that when one goes through it, one understands why this movie was made thus with the so-called minor 'errors' and why the poetic license was used so liberally and further they answer all the questions that many are saying 'there is more to it than meet the eye" I recommend that if you can, please go into the subscriber section of Headline News Analysis (for a sum of $25 one has access to a wealth of info) and go through those articles. They are worth going through!

Quote:
In the movie, Jesus falls at least 8 times on His way to Calvary. Where is this in the scripture? In the movie, they beat and kicked “Jesus” the whole way to Calvary. Where is this in the scripture? In the movie, “Jesus” was tempted by Satan in the garden. Where is this in the scripture? In the movie, they flayed every inch of the body of Jesus, well beyond that which the law allowed (Deut.25:3, 2 Cor.11:24) or any human could endure. Where is this in the scripture?

This movie seemed to depict what Satan would have liked to have done to Jesus, not what actually happened to Him. I often felt like Satan was using Mel to express his great hatred of the one true Biblical Jesus. One thing I know for sure, Mel Gibson’s movie presents “another gospel” and “another Jesus”. ....

The bottom line is this: When you watch this movie, whatever event cannot be found in the Bible, can be found in the mystic Emmerich's book, an account that provides much greater detail.

Holy Spirit Is NOT The Promised "Helper" In Roman Catholicism!

Further, during the scourging, “Jesus” reiterates his promise that the “Helper” would come. If you were never a Catholic -- if you were a poor Protestant -- you would think they were talking about the Holy Spirit. But to a Catholic, the “Helper” is Mary! According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, #969, we read:

“This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside her saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation...Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Medatrix.”

Poor Protestants and Baptists! You saw Jesus promise a "Helper" and comfortably believed this line was Scriptural! You really thought that "Jesus" was speaking of the Holy Spirit. Little did you know that Roman Catholic theologians have cleverly redefined who the "Helper" really is! This "another Jesus" was promising his disciples that God the Father was going to send Mary to help them! What unbelievably clever deception.

Since this movie is presenting "another Jesus" and "another Gospel", the warning from the Apostle Paul bears greatly upon "The Passion". Listen:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!" [Galatians 1:8; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

Just to make sure you get this most important message, Paul repeated his stern warning:
"As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!" [Galatians 6:9; Ibid.] End Quote.


I pray that any who come to this thread and have not yet made up their minds re: whether to see this moive or not should take the time to go into Cuttingedge (Headlines News Articles) and go through each article. Ask yourself whether it is worth going against the Word of God, especially when several warnings have been given by ex-Catholics too? What are we going to miss by not going? Nothing much! In fact, we would not be so tormented by the images of our Lord being thus denigrated and tortured. I'd rather go by the Word of God than go and see a movie made by Mel Gibson's "Gospel According to Gibson"!

[Charity4Ever]

I've been listening to Sonicflood for the past three days :D: I can't get enough!

[BHiles]

Truce (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1563574#post1563574)

[jelli<><]

What I don't understand is that people that I have known for years that have never wanted anything to do with the Lord/Bible
~ are now loving this movie?

I've tried to tell "the rest of the story" to them, but they hardly listen.

One said to me, "its amazing what "that guy" went through. :freaked that guy?

another person told me the movie was "cool"

None have seemed to grasp from the movie that He died baring their sins.

They only want to talk about how bad he was beaten :(:

[zeal4thelord]

I've been saying since I first posted on this topic that I was troubled by the divisions I was seeing, and nothing would be better than to heal those divisions. But I'm just wondering how that can happen unless we recant our positions and join the majority. Or we simply keep our mouths shut and hide our concerns (which are still very real concerns, speaking for myself anyway). I know that many of my Christian brethren who haven't yet seen the movie are going to invite me, or expect me to see it. It will be hard for me to keep my opinion to myself, yet I feel like this is all I can do without risking disapproval or starting a dispute.
It's sadly obvious that the issue has been discussed and argued about as much as it can be here, and it seems like both sides are hardened, and no one is going to be persuaded at this point. But yet will papering over the division really heal it, or will keeping our feelings hidden be helpful? I will pray about this, but I don't know right now if we can just declare the division healed, even though that is what we want.

[BHiles]

truce / n. - 1. A temporary cessation or suspension of hostilities by agreement of the opposing sides; an armistice.
2. A respite from a disagreeable state of affairs.

[FALLEN4JESUS]

charity that song is such a blessing
:angel :D:

[Rayday]

Interesting news about the Passion.

Passion News (http://www.av1611.org/Passion/index.html)

I fully endorse the truce but that does not mean I will not post things I find that are relevant.

[haeschen]

Thank you Rayday for posting this site. It is an excellent site to bookmark and refer others to that might have questions prior and even after they have seen the movie.
This way we can now be at peace here on this board, having done our job of being Bereans and watchmen. All that can be said has been said. I doubt that those who have decided not to see the movie will change their minds, because their convictions are deep. Many who have seen the movie will not change their minds anymore either. There will be a few that have questions after seeing the movie and even prior to going to it. These collected articles might have the answers for them. The rest will be more personal one on one exchange of ideas, rather than addressing the whole board.

[Bob Billings]

Read REVELATION 22= 18 Bob

[faithful1]

I need to bring a Bible to work!

[Patty T]

Originally posted by faithful1
I need to bring a Bible to work!

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.


Not sure I can agree with reconciling this scripture with the movie though. The movie was based upon the gospel accounts of Jesus last 12 hours; not the book of Revelation.

[Shieldbearer]

Yes, thank you Rayday.

I am, as far as I know, the only person in my church to have a problem with this movie. Our church gave out hundreds of tickets and had several private screenings of this movie. I am heartbroken that I went along with this without researching it, that several lost people were shown this movie, and that I alone see a problem with this movie.

I have alerted my pastor to my concerns. He doesn't agree, but did listen. He did mention that he will put more emphasis on using the Bible as our authority, not scenes from the movie.

The Lord has told me to just let this go - I think the enemy is using my pain over this movie to attack me, yesterday I was in such despair and I told the liar to leave me alone, God is in control. When I let go, I have had such peace - I know God can use anything, even this awful movie.

But, not to get off the point, I can bookmark this site and use it if anyone has questions about my problems with the movie.

Thanks:thumb

[SilverLHS]

Please let's not get started again. Please!!!
Admins, we need rescuing from ourselves again!!!:doh

I'm editing this to add that my post is here because the Bob Billings post was located in End Times Chat. My eyes do this:eek when I see yet another Passion thread in End Times.

[Shieldbearer]

I just wanted to post a verse I came across in my daily reading today - I use a schedule and this just happened to be on today's reading.

I'll use the KJV, so as not to offend any KJO people reading here :D:

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2 Corinthians 4:2

This explains in a nutshell my problem with the movie - it handles the Word deceitfully.

I hesitated to post this because we did call a truce, but this verse so completely fit the discomfort I feel about the movie, I had to post it. I literally read that verse like 10 times, I'm sure I looked like this:

:eek

[Rayday]

Originally posted by faithful1
I need to bring a Bible to work!

I know how you feel. I keep a pocket sized KJV NT with Psalms and Proverbs with me wherever I go. I give them away to. Nothing gives me greater pleasure than giving someone the true Bread of Life!!!

[annie10]

Originally posted by faithful1
I need to bring a Bible to work!

You can always go to the blue letter bible, the best on-line bible in my opinion, and very easy to use!! :):

http://www.blueletterbible.org/

[Bob Billings]

Mel Gibson Movie Passion Filled with Catholic heresies and abominations [false doctrin] Check it out on THE RAPTURE REPORT Use YAHOO or similar Bob

[Rayday]

More interesting news surrounding the "Passion"

Licensed and merchandised, 'Passion' pays (http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/entertainment/special_packages/passion_of_christ/8047716.htm)

Anne Catherine Emmerich's book all of the sudden has become a hot item. But that's just a coincidence.

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

:cry

[Hyssop]

Edit.

[Kfir from Oz]

Truce?

Am I reading this right?

Are you all giving up?

Now………….now at this very critical moment! Is that it? You’re all just going to “get along” as if nothing has happened over this past week?

Am I the only one still keeping watch at the gate?

Has everybody else fallen asleep or grown weary due to this unprecedented spiritual combat? Have they finally been able to ware you down?

Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!

Now is not the time to fall asleep!

We are at WAR!

Nothing that has gone on regarding this movie has been accidental. Nothing. None of it. This has all been planned to the most minute detail. The likes of which I have never seen in my 39 years.

The lies, the premeditated deception, the invitations, the flatteries, the propaganda machine behind it. Nothing about it has been random or accidental.

The enemy had made plans well in advance. The flatteries and invitations were being issued to the “selected” with ruthless efficiency. Those “targeted” would then face the barrage of ‘peer group pressure’ to conform to the “popular” words and opinions about this movie. Some in time may well wonder if they ‘sold their soul to the Devil’ on that day.

The secular world witnessed this movie arrive, judged it on its merits and moved on, some amazed at its success. The secular world however was not the chosen target for this movie, never was.

This movie was for one very specific target audience. Christians!

I must commend them for their skills. They have done an excellent job. They almost make it look too easy, like child’s play.

But child’s play it is not!

The aim. To spread division, confusion, endless debate, pressure to conform, relentless pressure to just accept it, forget about the facts and just ‘move on’.

The timing. Deliberate.

The motion picture is THE primary method of world wide communication and “story telling” in this age. What with television, video and now DVD the ability for this movie to be seen by virtually everybody around the world is guaranteed. That and the books, memorabilia, posters, Bibles, web sites and other ‘reminders’ designed years in advance of the release of this movie further guaranteeing the spread of this false witness. The seed is planted. In the weeks ahead the seed will begin to grow, poisoning the minds of those following the false Christ and the false Gospel. Their allegiance will be total, their deception guaranteed by God. Their defeat certain.

Now is not the time to declare a truce with the enemy. It is a time for like minded Christians who can see this evil for what it is to form together, to unite, to support each other in this time of War and fight, both spiritually and physically.

Do not fall asleep people, for if you sleep now you may never wake up!

Am I the only person who has noticed the covert and overt agents of evil working their trade on this board?

This board has been successfully infiltrated by the enemy! This is NO accident people. This is deliberate!

The aim?

That is simple. To divide and conquer. To spread lies and add to confusion and or even distract people from what they are searching for.

What we are witnessing right now is the groundwork for the introduction of the Anti Christ along with his Pope. This movie is to open the way for the Anti Christ. With a Christian population divided, though by no means equally, it will be easy for the Anti Christ to begin his work.

Some identify themselves for what they are. Some do not. And some support them willingly. Again this is no accident.

Did you all think that the great Falling Away – the Apostasy would happen at some other time, a few years from now perhaps? Or that it wouldn’t personally involve YOU!

No, it is going on right now! Right at this very moment. World wide.

Those who have posted on this “The Passion is Evil” thread from the “other” thread have not done so by accident, they didn’t suddenly ‘forget’ what they were doing and post their “comments, thoughts, opinions, hymns, songs, and distractions” by accident. Oh no. I assure you it was deliberate! Their aim to ware you down! To make you give up this fight, to go back to swapping pleasantries with everybody pretending like this silly movie never happened and that the battle lines were never drawn and people really didn’t consciously decide to ‘not worry about a little bit of artistic license’, not to worry about the fact that Scripture has been hijacked by lies and deceptions!

I noticed very early on regarding the subject of this movie that there were people who almost immediately noticed something was wrong and began to warn others about it. Nothing was nasty about these warnings. That’s all they were. Warnings. Fellow Christians gently warning other Christians to be alerted to something that was fast sweeping the world.

It was upon us before most realized what was happening. I myself found myself on the back foot having to play catch-up whilst the ‘ball was in play’, such was the speed at which this movie and its sinister implications swept all before it.

Just as passionate as those offering a warning were those who took it upon themselves to harass and mock those issuing the warning. This I found most interesting!

Already I’ve notice the Catholics and their supporters showing their happiness that this thread will be put to rest!

Can’t you people see what is happening!

The division your seeing here on this board is forewarned about in your Bibles!

2 Thessalonians 2: 1 –7

The argument, the side decided upon, the person. They are all one. This is NO time for political correctness or fairness or ‘lets just all get along’. It’s a time for decision!

It is certainly NO time for a truce!

This thread is not an “argument” that should be ‘glossed over’ and eventually forgotten about! Contained within this thread is precious information. Information that desperate people will be trying to access in the days, weeks and months ahead. People will be frantically trying to discover the TRUTH.

The undeniable TRUTH about this movie is right here within this thread. All the thoughts, all the links. It’s all here. Plus the names of those brave souls who have had the courage and conviction to put their name to their thoughts regardless of what may, in time, happen to them because of it.

With this thread being kept alive people will be able to visit, read through it, send PM’s (personal messages) to the authors of the various posts to get help and further information.

To have this thread terminated and forgotten about will guarantee the enemy victory. It will guarantee that all of the information contained with-in this thread will get buried deep with-in the forum, “out of sight out of mind”!

I know my words may well get me banned from this site. That would be unfortunate for I have learnt much whilst being here. But I fear I must call it as I see it. Now is not the time for warm fuzzy feelings. A side must be chosen! The time for sitting on the fence is over, forever. The battle lines have been drawn, soon some will depart.

Stand your ground!

Richard.

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

No one is giving up......that is not what a truce is about, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.......though we disagree our love for one another prevents us from tearing one another apart......we must remember to be Christ like and Christ minded....we are in no way condoning this movie, or even tolerating it......but we must be very careful how we handle it also...we have shown scriptures, shown proof, and openly showed the passages in the book of the The Dolourus Passion.........there is nothing else to do but pray....which is best for us all........

God Bless
YSIC
Pam

[Katydid278]

KfirfromOz said:We are at WAR!

At war because of just another, albeit powerful, movie about Christ? And the casualities are fellow Christians?

And:
Nothing that has gone on regarding this movie has been accidental. Nothing. None of it. This has all been planned to the most minute detail. The likes of which I have never seen in my 39 years.


Well, I am glad it is not accidental. Rather I know it's not also when I am convicted as much as I was and now have even more love for reading the Bible and even more of a desire to pray. This is a GOOD thing. Renewal of the Spirit.
:nod

This from someone who has never been and will never be Catholic.

[Medic911]

Kfir from Oz, are you suggesting you are "at war" with those who support this movie?

Are you suggesting that our spiritual discernment is inadequate?

Thank you.

[Katydid278]

I'm sorry admins. When I clicked back I noticed this was the thread for dissenters only. With all of the threads going on I got mixed up. Please delete my post if not appropriate. It's just when I see the dissenters coming into threads of those who post positive things I feel it's fair game. So I am leaving it up for now unless you tell me to remove it.


ARGHHHHHHHHH I said I would not take part in this controversy but here I am doing it. :frusty

[annie10]

dis·sent·er

n.
One who dissents: political dissenters.
often Dissenter One who refuses to accept the doctrines or usages of an established or a national church, especially a Protestant who dissents from the Church of England.


I wasn't sure of the meaning, so I looked it up.:):

[Katydid278]

:D: Annie, I have always thought a "dissenter" was one who disagrees, or is on the negative side of an issue. That is the way I have heard it used.

[annie10]

:D: It's ok Katy. I thought it was funny considering the subject!!:B:

[Katydid278]

Yes, kind of ironic actually. :D:

[Medic911]

Am I the only person who has noticed the covert and overt agents of evil working their trade on this board?

This board has been successfully infiltrated by the enemy! This is NO accident people. This is deliberate!


Wow, I was skimming posts, and somehow missed this gem.

I also haven't forgotten your past posts, accusing people of receiving the Mark of the Beast by their Sunday worship.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[Wiseman1]

After skimming through threads for both sides of the debate, well..... :jaw :peep :fear :bolt

All I can say is I'm shocked. :cry

[Hyssop]

"Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, that you may be able to stand firm against the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything stand firm..." Eph 6:10-13

Let's not struggle with one another, okay? The Bible says that our struggle is not against flesh and blood. We are not gaining anything by fighting amongst ourselves. Stand firm in whatever you believe- if the Spirit convicts you so, but don't tear brothers or sisters down in the process of standing firm, because you are not standing firm against people anyway. A positive that has come (personally) from participating in these (Passion) threads, it is that I'm being convicted to watch my words more carefully. Please PM me if I have wounded or offended or acted in an unbecoming way to any of you.

YSIC, Hyssop

[Rayday]

The spiritual battle is still waging folks. We all know that. The truce was called because our zeal on both ends of the spectrum was causing too much division amongst ourselves. I see that very clearly. I also am guilty of sowing some of that division. We should all wipe our swords clean, hone them even sharper than they were before this little skirmish and get back in the fight. This does not mean we should remain fixated on this one aspect. I am no way even near done exposing this movie for what I think it is, a brilliant scheme devised by Satan that was planned for a very long time, to sow the seeds of division amongst the brethren. It has done just that and these debates that turn into flaming exchanges on this board prove that. We must stay in the battle but let's not give Satan any victories that will fuel his fire! I am not going to keep quiet about this movie at all. I am just going to go about things in a way that is acceptable to those on the other side of the debate. This is not compromising, it is being gentle but firm.

I have also neglected other things because I have dedicated much time and effort researching things to prove my statements. I feel the need to backup a bit and remember that this is not the only thing that is going on in the world. It is very important for sure but I think that we may be neglecting other things because of this debate. I am still doing things to expose this movie. The Holy Spirit will no allw me to be idle. The truce only serves to calm things down, not end our struggle against what we believe, and the evidence is overwhelming, to be a master plan by Satan.

Truce amongst Christians shouldn't even be a need but I think that what should be called for is a clean debate without anger. Discuss this and any other topic in a loving way as opposed to angry and heated. That is what should be our true goal. Civility amongst ourselves. If those who are not saved saw the way we tear into each other (luckily not everyone) they would call us hypocrites. Tone it down not just here but on all threads. That would truly show them that we are Christians.

[Rayday]

More wonderful official merchandise coming from the "Passion".

Official Catholic "Passion" merchandise. (http://www.catholicsupply.com/christmas/passion.html?OVRAW=passion%20of%20Christ&OVKEY=christ%20passion&OVMTC=standard)

Nope, nothing "Catholic" about this movie!

For any who are interested.

[jelli<><]

http://www.challies.com/archives/000195.html
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Idolatry?

I found it very troublesome that people identify Jim the actor with Jesus. My mind and emotions never made the transition to actually believing that Jim was Jesus. At one time I began to feel emotion as Jesus, nailed to the cross, cried out for God to forgive His murderers. Interestingly, my mind immediately intervened and kept me from seeing Jim as Jesus. I simply could not and ultimately did not want to see the real Jesus in this movie. I could not identify with this human playing my Lord and my Savior. My mind told me that making such a leap would be to succumb to idolatry.
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This is what I experienced also. I was worried why I had no emotions during the flim. Especially after hearing all the hype from Christian leaders. The Passion, to me, is too sacred to be re-enacted. No one can do it justice, imo.

[Deb]

Thank God I found you people! I am so distraught over having seen this movie. I had the check of the Holy Spirit, and didn't even want to go ~ then I was somehow enticed to see for myself what everyone in the country is talking about ... and I went. Right off the bat, I knew it was wrong AND SHOULD HAVE WALKED OUT!! Why didn't I??

As soon as Christ said "Father, rise up and defend me," I felt sick. I was lied to, and told this went perfectly along with scripture. Oh, that I had read more reviews, and learned earlier on about the book that was the true source for the movie.

I am sick over this issue, because my pastor is all on fire about the movie. He says he wants to "ride the wave" of opportunity. Well, to me, it is like gambling and winning 1,000,000 dollars, and using it for missions. It's just wrong.

I am not in church this A.M., because I couldn't bear to hear my pastor preach "The Passion" for another Sunday. I sent him an article on Friday, and who knows, maybe his eyes are opened and he will be preaching against it. I just couldn't bear it if that weren't the case. I can't hear preaching on what I feel is blasphemy. I am going to go to prayer for the message today.

I have been in a non-truth church before, and have taken a stand on truth. The Pastor we have now chosen is such a Berean, and takes the high road ~ the narrow path ~ often the very unpopular stance. I am surprised and disappointed that he is where he is right now. He says he can't endorse the movie as biblical, but is so excited at the opportunities it is creating. He also contradicts himself in saying there is a clear gospel message, the nature of Christ and charactor of God is displayed, and I can't remember the other things. But his clear "yes" to these questions were far from a clear yes for me. Jesus would not have said "Father, rise up and defend me!" Because my pastor has such a heart for truth, I believe he will come around on this issue.

Anyhow, never have I needed like minded folk as I do right now.

I am glad for this thread, and that I will not have to worry about a lot of people opposing my heart right now. It is way too tender.

Thanks,
Deb

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

Does anyone else remember Jesus praying and saying, "son of your handmaid"??

Someone in another thread, said they never seen that part......then said it was so minor that it was not important........


Anyone??????

[Hyssop]

This is the thing that keeps coming to mind, so I need to post it: we each have DIFFERENT gifts of the same spirit. Different gifts for our COMMON GOOD... Read 1 Cor 12:6-12...

"What if" some the Christian people that are seeing more in this film (about Mary worship, RCC stuff, demonic influence ect.) are actually seeing these things through a discernment, distinguishing of spirits or gift of that nature, as bestowed by the Holy Spirit? I think that we need to be extra careful not to assume that these people have an evil intent or self serving interest, as I have experienced personally and brothers and sisters here- that have been convicted about this film unexpectedly- people who were without a doubt they would like the Passion, people who had been promoting it.

What do you think? Would those who did not see anything wrong outwardly with this film be willing to accept the above? Do you consider it possible? And if not, what reasoning do you have against that?


**Please Read Above Post**

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

Anyhow, never have I needed like minded folk as I do right now.

I am glad for this thread, and that I will not have to worry about a lot of people opposing my heart right now. It is way too tender.

Thanks,
Deb

I can relate with you. But thank God I have a few people that agree with me 100%. One has seen the movie and the others have only seen bits and pieces on t.v. but felt compelled NOT to see the movie. They are much wiser than I. At my Mom's church there is a man that I respect greatly that absolutely refuses to see this movie......Wish I would have known that before I seen it........twice....live an learn I suppose.

[itsjustme]

1 Corinthians 12:12-26 -

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

[Hyssop]

Beautiful scripture post Kim, thanks :):

I also think 1 Cor 12:6-12 is important to remember.

Blessings, Hyssop

[itsjustme]

Originally posted by Hyssop
Beautiful scripture post Kim, thanks :):

I also think 1 Cor 12:6-12 is important to remember.

Blessings, Hyssop

Hyssop,

I looked those scriptures up & I agree; they are important to remember; thanks for reminding us :)

YSIC,
Kim

[itsjustme]

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[Deb]

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[itsjustme]

Nevermind, I deleted the post; I apologize for posting that.

:doh

[Hyssop]

Yep. And it might be a good idea to delete it.

[Rayday]

Originally posted by Joyous_n_Jesus
Does anyone else remember Jesus praying and saying, "son of your handmaid"??

Someone in another thread, said they never seen that part......then said it was so minor that it was not important........


Anyone??????

Yeah,

I'm hearing this isn't important, and that doesn't change anything etc. People are compromising and don't even see it! This is frightening to see. I think we may be seeing the great falling away folks! What else could this be? I pray that I am wrong here but you all see things pretty much the way I do. There is something terribly wrong and those on the other side get down right nasty when you show them where the movie is dangerous.

The pastors and preachers herdng their flocks into the theaters will be paying a heavy price. Jesus gave it to the Pharisees both barrels when they asked Him for a sign:

"And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering: O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky, but can ye not discern the sign of the times?" M't 16:3

Our leaders, our pastors are supposed to protect us from the danger and they are leading the sheep to whatever dnager this movie may present! The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep which means he protects them from all evil. The movement surrounding this film is the exact opposite!

[haeschen]

"As soon as Christ said "Father, rise up and defend me," I felt sick. I was lied to, and told this went perfectly along with scripture. Oh, that I had read ...."

Dear sis Deb, Thank you for sharing with us your heart and pain. I have not seen the movie, but am bombarded by invites, by reports - mostly positive. But the portion of your post that I quoted above confirms my concerns.

"Father rise up and defend me!" is the most unscriptural aspect of the movie I have yet heard. How can such unscriptural words be acceptable to believers? Followers of Christ know that Jesus laid down his life willingly. He rebuked Peter sharply, even addressing him as Satan, when Peter suggested that such suffering should not be Jesus fate. In Gethsemane Jesus faced his last battle within himself, when he realized the enormous cesspool of the world's sin he was to take upon himself. Yet he yielded His will to the Father's will. The plan of salvation that existed from the foundation of the world, would finally be consumated.
In Hebrwes 12:2 we find out what enabled him to endure the cross and despise the shame. God the Father had set the joy of offering mankind salvation before Jesus. A joy so great it enabled him to endure the cross and despise the shame of all that went with this plan - and now JESUS IS ALIVE sat down on the right hand of the throne of God. This is the gospel - the truth that saves and keeps those who believe.
There is no call for help to rescue him from going through with the plan. The pain Jesus endured on our behalf in the spirit, was being seperated from the Father due to the sin that was upon him on the cross. He asked the question - why hast thou forsaken me? He felt forsaken, which is not the same as asking for help to defend him, for this would mean to abort the plan altogether.

As believers we cannot allow continued watering down of God's word to bring us to a place of believing another gospel.
In Hebrews 4:12 we find just the opposite. It is the quick sharp sword - the Word of God that is dividing soul and spirit, a discerner of the thought and intents of the heart. Submitting to that Sword means to discard any and all things that exalt themselves against God's knowledge.
Are we willing to submit to such scruteny of God's word and forsake all else that passes as truth in these days?
Think about that - pray about that, and you will regain God's gracious peace, love and joy - no matter the battles that rage within us and around us.

[Jael]

"Father rise up and defend me!" is the most unscriptural aspect of the movie I have yet heard.

Yes, I reacted to this also...if Jesus had prayed this prayer, it would have been game over!

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

In all my reviews, I forgot to mention this point...I thought this was unscriptural also. That was one of the "bones" I had to spit out.

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

I was just thinking about a few things.........


I don't see anyone debating whether or not He died.....except Muslims.....they believe a disciple took His place and that He was "taken" up into heaven where God/Allah scolded him and will one day send him back to tell the people that he lied and is not the Son of God/Allah. Though they believe Jesus was a great prophet and will return some day......

Most Jews believe he died on a cross........but they totally deny the resurrection of Him....

I've been thinking about when people had seen the vision of the Lady of Fatima over a church in Egypt...Jews, Christians, Muslims and Catholics were all praying together.......for weeks...and how it is said that during the making of this movie there were appearances of the virgin Mary.......(refer to article in "are we going overboard with Mary thread)

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/passion.htm
How the man that played Jesus Jim Caviezel: "This film is something that I believe was made by Mary for her Son."

Jim Caviezel was also inspired by the apparitions of [Mary at] Medjugorje...

It seems so odd that Mary is the center of their thoughts while making this film, and yet draws people like Jerry Falewell to Robert Shuller to James Kennedy to Paul Crouch to Perry Stone embracing this movie as "Gospel"......can it really break denominational barriers??

Yet according to Mel it is so "Marian" which is the worship of Mary.......

As far as the reports that are "putting this movie down" it is on the pretense that it is anti-Jew/hate movie........which it is not. And too bloody........oh please! Ever seen Hellraiser? Freddy vs. Jason? come on :rolleyes

But over a year ago rumors over this movie came out about the same thing before it was even complete......Nothing costs less but raises curiosity more, than a good ole controversy........

And nothing more genius than to have selected pre-show viewings with America's most high profile/well respected ministers of all faiths, before the show opens to the public........Once the ministers give their thumbs up, the NEWS screams anti-Jewish.......the "sheep" come running in support of a persecuted brother....I know I did......



Rather ingenius I would say :) not too mention a whole lot cheaper than other ways to promote a film.

Just thoughts going through my head I suppose.......but it all seems a bit weird to me.

[Deb]

Whoever shared this link:

http://www.av1611.org/Passion/passion.html

Thank you.

This is the link I shared with my pastor, which he took time to read yesterday. I didn't go to church this A.M. to hear him publically apologize for jumping the gun on the movie. He is retracting any endorsement of the movie, and basically is feeling as I and my husband feel.

This is a huge burden lifted for me.

Deb

[Shieldbearer]

Deb-

I didn't post that link, but it is a wonderful article. I might send it to my pastor - he was very defensive and unwilling to listen when I tried to talk to him about this, though :cry

My experience with this film is a lot like yours - I felt something was wrong, and research led me to find out just what was wrong with it.

[annie10]

I sent the link to my pastor also, along with the link to the mistics book.

I know everyone at my church are for this movie, so I have no ideal how this will be received. I had talked to my pastor about my reservations a few weeks ago, so at least he knows I had doubts about this movie.

I am so concerned about this, it is hurting. I know where Ray is coming from. It's not easy being on the bad side of things especially when everyone else doesn't see it that way.

I just hate that it is splitting us up on the message board :cry

I love everyone here, and division over a movie, is the last thing I would of thought that would split up the body!!:cry

[Aaron Swinger]

I don't know if any of you came across this but Monica Bellucci, who portrayed Mary Magdalene in the movie, was a porn star in Europe. I won't post any links here but you can do a search yourself on "Monica Bellucci".

[BHiles]

Our pastor came out strong Against the movie tonight. For all the same reasons previously made in these threads. He is saddened that the most exciting thing that people feel that is happening among christianity today is at a movie theater and not in the churches. Our 40th pastors conference is occuring the week after next. We have over 7,000 pastors coming for the week long seminars on proper church growth and various other subjects. These conferences fire up Independant Fundamental Baptist Pastors who go back to their churches and try to put into place the things learned during the conference. We don't use rock concerts or dramas to bring people to church. Its old-fasioned bible-believing soul-winning obedience to the instruction: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. -Matthew 28:18-19

[Joyous_n_Jesus]

That article helped to opened my eyes as well.........;):

your welcome........I actually got it from Ray I believe.....

There so much more to it than just the mystic nun's visions........it is amazing on how deep this actually goes......after I read the book I started digging for info. I have printed so much stuff out it is not funny. One article alone is 34 pgs :freaked

[zeal4thelord]

Joyous_n_Jesus is right, I think, about the pre-release controversy being used to 'hype' the movie. I read a comment somewhere by someone with marketing expertise who said that the marketing aspect of this was done very well; the target audience (us, Christians) was made to rally around the movie by means of the controversy, and it became an 'us-vs.them' issue. Since at first the critical voices came from non-believers and some Jewish leaders, we all tended to rush to the defense of the movie. I know I did. But thanks to the comments of a brother in Christ, I began to think about it more deeply and found that I was troubled by many aspects of the movie. Some of the links given here were very helpful for me to sum up what I found to be troubling. But the reaction from supporters has been far beyond anything I would have imagined. It seems to be provoking some divisions that may not be easily healed, and I am praying and asking God's guidance about this.
I'm glad this thread hasn't gone away yet; I think it still serves a useful purpose, as long as it doesn't become a battleground again.

[jelli<><]

Never mind. Nah, couldn't be.

















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[cinlynn]

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"Father rise up and defend me!" is the most unscriptural aspect of the movie I have yet heard.
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Curious.. since I am seeing the movie again tomorrow.. When is this said? I don't recall it... :confused

[toastNbananas]

Originally posted by cinlynn
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"Father rise up and defend me!" is the most unscriptural aspect of the movie I have yet heard.
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Curious.. since I am seeing the movie again tomorrow.. When is this said? I don't recall it... :confused
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was when He was being tempted by satan, somewhere in the beginning of the movie.

[houseparent]

Yes, it is at the VERY beginning of the movie.

This link saddens me

http://www.av1611.org/Passion/passion.html

I appreciate it, but it still makes me:cry

[Rayday]

Originally posted by BHiles
Our pastor came out strong Against the movie tonight. For all the same reasons previously made in these threads. He is saddened that the most exciting thing that people feel that is happening among christianity today is at a movie theater and not in the churches. Our 40th pastors conference is occuring the week after next. We have over 7,000 pastors coming for the week long seminars on proper church growth and various other subjects. These conferences fire up Independant Fundamental Baptist Pastors who go back to their churches and try to put into place the things learned during the conference. We don't use rock concerts or dramas to bring people to church. Its old-fasioned bible-believing soul-winning obedience to the instruction: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. -Matthew 28:18-19

I will pray that the conference will open their eyes and that they will start warning their flocks!!!

[Rayday]

Originally posted by Deb
Whoever shared this link:

http://www.av1611.org/Passion/passion.html

Thank you.

This is the link I shared with my pastor, which he took time to read yesterday. I didn't go to church this A.M. to hear him publically apologize for jumping the gun on the movie. He is retracting any endorsement of the movie, and basically is feeling as I and my husband feel.

This is a huge burden lifted for me.

Deb

I was the one who found that link but it was the Holy Spirit that led me there. All glory to the Lord Jesus! It is great that your pastor has seen the truth and is doing something about it. Praise God Almighty!!!

[Deb]

It was at the very beginning, in