Anyone here have Jesus residing in their hearts? [Archive]

John Tyson

February 11th, 2004, 02:24 PM

Grace and peace to you all.

I'm almost afraid this is a trick question. The obvious answer is if one is a Christian then Jesus is residing in their heart.

John 14:23
Jesus answered, and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Likewise, the Father also resides in our hearts--along with the Holy Spirit.

God bless,
John

bopeep1909

February 11th, 2004, 02:26 PM

God is in my heart:thumb :wave :dancing

pilgrimian

February 11th, 2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by John Tyson
Grace and peace to you all.

I'm almost afraid this is a trick question. The obvious answer is if one is a Christian then Jesus is residing in their heart.

John 14:23
Jesus answered, and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Likewise, the Father also resides in our hearts--along with the Holy Spirit.

God bless,
John

Indeed, the Holy Spirit does. Yet this doesn't make either of us part of the "Israel of God." We are living in the Commonwealth of Israel...we are enjoying the sap of the tree--partaker, not taker-over, of the root (Romans 11:17). The root are the covenants God made with Israel. We (gentiles) are not the tree. We are wild olive branches on Israel's Olive Tree (v. 24). Just FYI.

Krispy, I checked the KJV just to make sure this wasn't an errant teaching! Woo-hoo, the Alexandrian Text is okay with this one!

Godspeed,
Matthew

[edited to explain the Olive Tree]

KrispyKritter

February 11th, 2004, 02:33 PM

Guess what… Jesus doesn’t live in any of you! Sorry… but it’s true…

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Acts 7:55 But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

My point here is… words have meaning. Most find nothing wrong with saying Jesus lives in my heart… and we do understand what someone means when they say that. But isn’t it interesting how we speak an untruth all the time, and don’t think anything of it. If it’s not a truth, then it is a lie.

The phrase “asking Jesus into your heart” is not found in the Bible.

The Holy Spirit resides in the believer.

I know they are one in the same, lets not get into semantics. Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit fills us and resides within us.

Scripture says we will give an account for every word we speak… lets be sure we speak truths!

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Anyone here have Jesus residing in their hearts? That is a pretty good question... something I have been pondering... of course I could gladly say me too... but just who is it, of God, that is all in there...? (not that it is actually material to anything I suppose but just an interesting thing to ponder)

We all say "Holy Spirit" often without a lot of thought... of course it was the Holy Spirit who attended to Pentecost... and of course new born christians during the ministry of the Apostles were said to be entered by the Holy Spirit... and they had many signs.

But Paul had visits by Lord Jesus directly... and then I will run into a passage like the following and I just wonder about it all :confused

Rom 8:9-11
(9) But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
(10) And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
(11) But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 02:35 PM

KrispyKritter you and I posted at exactly the same time :pound

KrispyKritter

February 11th, 2004, 02:36 PM

Jesus is on the right hand of the throne of God. God the Holy Spirit resides in us.

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 02:38 PM

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

I'm the temple of God - God's presence abides inside me as I abide in Him.

He's not some cold, distant, unreachable God.

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Jesus is on the right hand of the throne of God. God the Holy Spirit resides in us.

The Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is God.

God is God.

pilgrimian

February 11th, 2004, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Jesus is on the right hand of the throne of God. God the Holy Spirit resides in us.

Okay, care to explain God's omnipresence in regard to this? I know this is true, too...yet Jesus is God the Son. Your question is somewhat tricky.

Hootmon

February 11th, 2004, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Guess what… Jesus doesn’t live in any of you! Sorry… but it’s true… :confused Colossians 1

25 Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,
26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
28 We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ.
29 For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 02:41 PM

Apostle Paul taught differently than the 12 with respect to who resides in you...

from Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

Col 1:27 -
The riches of the glory - God manifests to these how abundantly glorious this Gospel is among the Gentiles; and how effectual is this doctrine of Christ crucified to the salvation of multitudes.
Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory - In this and the following verse there are several remarkable particulars: -
I. We find here the sum and substance of the apostle Paul’s preaching.
1. He preached Christ, as the only Savior of sinners.
2. He proclaimed this Christ as being in them; for the design of the Gospel is to put men in possession of the Spirit and power of Christ, to make them partakers of the Divine nature, and thus prepare them for an eternal union with himself. Should it be said that the preposition åí should be translated among, it amounts to the same; for Christ was among them, to enlighten, quicken, purify, and refine them, and this he could not do without dwelling in them.
3. He preached this present and indwelling Christ as the hope of glory; for no man could rationally hope for glory who had not the pardon of his sins, and whose nature was not sanctified; and none could have pardon but through the blood of his cross; and none could have glorification but through the indwelling, sanctifying Spirit of Christ.

pilgrimian

February 11th, 2004, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Hootmon
:confused

Exactly.

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 02:42 PM

blitzkreig is on a roll posting the same time with people. :laugh

Patty T

February 11th, 2004, 02:43 PM

I wonder where the "ask Jesus in your heart" came from?

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 02:44 PM

I'm assuming Romans 10:8-10

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Patty T
I wonder where the "ask Jesus in your heart" came from? Paul.

houseparent

February 11th, 2004, 02:44 PM

I should have known this would happen when I saw KK started the thread!:P:

pilgrimian

February 11th, 2004, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by houseparent
I should have known this would happen when I saw KK started the thread!:P:

Mmmmm....hmmmm.....

Mark 7:

6He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

"This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

God wants our heart...Jesus is God...Jesus is omnipresent...He is bodily next to the Father in the Third Heaven....He is forever bodily a Jewish man.

Patty T

February 11th, 2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by blitzkreig
Paul.

And from Josh Gen's reply: Romans 10:8-10

Ok, I re-read it - kinda stretching it though in my humble opinion

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 02:51 PM

Paul called his "my Gospel" and a "mystery" for a reason... and yes there are differences between his teaching and the 12. It is very apparent towards the end of Acts.

He was taught by the risen Jesus years after the ministry to the Jews which was to prepare themselves for the coming Kingdom,... and of course that was rejected by Israel finally by the time of the stoning of Stephen.

I am finding many of the slight differences,.. a few every time I go looking.

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 02:56 PM

I said that verse because their is a link between what proceeds out of our mouths and what is in our hearts.

Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

JMHO.

KrispyKritter

February 11th, 2004, 02:57 PM

Actually I just wanted to see if I could start a thread that would turn into two pages in under 20 minutes... and guess what! I succeeded! :clap

Seriously tho, while true that God is omnipresent, God is also expressed in 3 forms... the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The trouble comes in when people equate Jesus living in you as the same as the Holy Spirit living in you.

The God person of Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father. The God person of the Father is obvious there, or Jesus couldn't be seated next to Him.

The God person of the Holy Spirit dwells (or resides) in us.

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 03:01 PM

The 12 Apostles obviously had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Now with this came all sorts of miraclous powers.

Paul met God on the road to Damascus it was the Risin Lord who appeared to him. Paul said he had many visions of Jesus.

Why? is this a difference in nomenclature only?

artgeek

February 11th, 2004, 03:08 PM

john 15 talks about us dwelling in Christ and Christ dwelling in us... how does that fit in?

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
The God person of Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father. The God person of the Father is obvious there, or Jesus couldn't be seated next to Him.
Maybe just I need some scripture which suggests He never leaves. ;):

Sometimes He is seen seated yes, at times standing, but still others in different circumstance riding on a horse in battle.

Paul seems to suggest He indwells...

Eph 3:14-19
(14) For this cause I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(15) of whom the whole family in Heaven and earth is named,
(16) that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man;
(17) that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
(18) may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth and length and depth and height,
(19) and to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God.

KrispyKritter

February 11th, 2004, 03:18 PM

The scriptures I have noted seem to explicitly state where Christ is... He ascended into Heaven, He is seated at the right hand of God, He is standing at the right hand of God...

Him riding on a horse is a futuristic event that hasn't happened yet, so that one can be ruled out of this discussion.

The verses about Him indwelling... can that not be another way of saying the indwelling of the Holy Spirit since both are one? Yet the manifestation of God in different forms being what they are... the person of Christ is still in Heaven.

How do we make sense of this?

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter

How do we make sense of this? I may have to file it with the other unresolved questions that I want to ask when I get there ;):

Joshua's Gen

February 11th, 2004, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
The verses about Him indwelling... can that not be another way of saying the indwelling of the Holy Spirit since both are one?

If you're going to use the argument we just used - both are one - then the verses about the HS dwelling inside of us include Christ as well.

joint heir

February 11th, 2004, 04:28 PM

KK ...do you not believe that Jesus is omnipresent...

what would prevent him from being in both? the hearts of believers and the right hand?

KrispyKritter

February 11th, 2004, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by joint heir
KK ...do you not believe that Jesus is omnipresent...

what would prevent him from being in both? the hearts of believers and the right hand?

I'm not sure I'm disagreeing with you... can you show me scripture that would support your assertion? There are a lot of scriptures that describe where He is...

Hyssop

February 11th, 2004, 04:50 PM

The risen body of Christ at the right hand of the Father, and the Holy Spirit dwelling within us- is still agreeable with Him being omnipresent.

John Tyson

February 11th, 2004, 05:21 PM

Grace and peace to you all.

I knew it! KK's stirrin' up trouble again.:laugh Come out of him you demons!:B:

Someone asked where the idea of "asking Jesus into our hearts" came from. Most often people get that from the Revelation 3:20 "Behold I stand and the door, and knock..." Many folks see that as an analogy of Jesus knocking on our heart's door asking for us to let Him in.

My relationship with Jesus is what is important to me. Parsing over whether He is in my heart, or mind, or walking beside me, amongst us when we gather together, or looking down from Heaven, is for me not worth vexing myself over. I know and love His presence in my life. I do know one thing though. I do look forward to the day when I will be able to see him face to face.

God bless,
John

joint heir

February 11th, 2004, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
I'm not sure I'm disagreeing with you... can you show me scripture that would support your assertion? There are a lot of scriptures that describe where He is...

well....I guess if there is scripture saying that he dwells within the believer and is at the right hand .....it only makes sense to me that he is omnipresent...

I have always believed that is a quality of God ...and Jesus is fully God....

but I am glad that you brought this up,....because I have been thinking about that expression too...( a common one used for children)....and it will be good to get it nailed down...

Is he really trapped per se in human form...? where he can not be omnipresent?

He had to have some form before he was born to Mary.....Can he be in both forms?...that prior to being born a man....but I know he also has his body that retains the scars from when he was crucified....

:confused my brain hurts:laugh

BarbT

February 11th, 2004, 09:52 PM

Guess what… Jesus doesn’t live in any of you! Sorry… but it’s true… Oh burrrother! :rolleyes .

blitzkreig

February 11th, 2004, 10:58 PM

I serve a risen Savior,
He’s in the world today;
I know that he is living,
Whatever men may say;
I see his hand of mercy,
I hear his voice of cheer,
And just the time I need him
He’s always near.

He lives, He lives,Christ Jesus lives today!
He walks with me and talks with me
along life’s narrow way.
He lives, He lives,Salvation to impart!
You ask me how I know he lives?
He lives within my heart.

sunshine4jesus

February 12th, 2004, 12:23 AM

This is one thing that will surely cause folks to really search for what they believe based on scripture.

Does anyone here think Jesus is not omnipresent? Is that quality reserved for God the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Yep, He is in my heart.

toddlemom

February 12th, 2004, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Anyone here have Jesus residing in their hearts?

We have small children who heard this phrase adn wondered what it meant. We said when you love someone (like mommy or daddy or their favorite cousin that they don't get to see much) they are in your heart. We love Jesus so he's in our hearts.

We have explained all about asking forgiveness for sins and asking Jesus to be our friend.

DS 1, who wants to be a builder or carpenter, is fascinated with the idea of JC building mansions in heaven for us.

I'm sure we'll have to fine-tune our presentation as they get older ;):

YSIC
Ann

KrispyKritter

February 12th, 2004, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by blitzkreig
I serve a risen Savior,
He’s in the world today;
I know that he is living,
Whatever men may say;
I see his hand of mercy,
I hear his voice of cheer,
And just the time I need him
He’s always near.

He lives, He lives,Christ Jesus lives today!
He walks with me and talks with me
along life’s narrow way.
He lives, He lives,Salvation to impart!
You ask me how I know he lives?
He lives within my heart.

Surely you're not equating hymns with inspired scripture, are you? Some of the doctrine in those old "hymns of the faith" is pretty bad...

BHiles

February 12th, 2004, 12:59 PM

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

blitzkreig

February 12th, 2004, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
Surely you're not equating hymns with inspired scripture, are you? Some of the doctrine in those old "hymns of the faith" is pretty bad... No. But sometimes you just make me breakout into song KrispyKritter :rofl

Sojourner

February 12th, 2004, 01:18 PM

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you wil be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

It is in our heart that we believe in Christ. When we accept Christ into our heart what we are saying is that we accept that Jesus Christ is who He says He is. Our heart accepts the Truth, the Word of God, the gospel message. We are also asking Christ to come in and cleanse and change our hearts. This He does through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

pilgrimian

February 12th, 2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Hyssop
The risen body of Christ at the right hand of the Father, and the Holy Spirit dwelling within us- is still agreeable with Him being omnipresent.

Exactly. There is no antinomy going on here.

Jesus being seated at the Right Hand of the Father means that His work is done. He may get up if He wants (no Scriptural proof here, however!) -- a thousand years to our minds is as a day in the Third Heaven. So He's only been sitting for a couple days! But He is a priest whose work was done on the cross...once and for all (Hebrews 9:12). His being at the Right Hand of God the Father (Psalm 110, Acts 2:33) shows His equality and supremacy. Jesus is omnipresent because He is God...the Holy Spirit is God...so Jesus can dwell in our hearts while sitting at the Father's Right Hand, too.

Godspeed,
Matthew

John Tyson

February 12th, 2004, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by pilgrimian
Exactly. There is no antinomy going on here.

Jesus being seated at the Right Hand of the Father means that His work is done. He may get up if He wants (no Scriptural proof here, however!) -- a thousand years to our minds is as a day in the Third Heaven. So He's only been sitting for a couple days! But He is a priest whose work was done on the cross...once and for all (Hebrews 9:12). His being at the Right Hand of God the Father (Psalm 110, Acts 2:33) shows His equality and supremacy. Jesus is omnipresent because He is God...the Holy Spirit is God...so Jesus can dwell in our hearts while sitting at the Father's Right Hand, too.

Godspeed,
Matthew

Hi Matthew,

Well said. I agree that Jesus being seated at the Right Hand of the Father means that His work is done. There were no chairs in the Tabernacle or Temple and the priests had to stand in the ministering of their service. One beautiful place where Jesus was seen standing on the right hand of God was at Stephen's stoning (Acts 7:55-56). This is just my supposition, but I find it lovely to think that when Jesus' saints are in peril, their High Priest stands to minister unto them.

God bless,
John

MyJesus

February 12th, 2004, 03:36 PM

I guess the better post would be that Jesus' SPIRIT is living in us.

blitzkreig

February 12th, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by pilgrimian
Jesus being seated at the Right Hand of the Father means that His work is done. He may get up if He wants (no Scriptural proof here, however!) -- a thousand years to our minds is as a day in the Third Heaven. So He's only been sitting for a couple days!

It was Stephen who saw Jesus at the right hand of God... standing.

Act 7:55-56
(55) But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
(56) and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

I think it was Fructenbaum who said that visions of God when standing were portents of a coming judgement...

EDIT :doh John Tyson already mentioned it...

Joshua's Gen

February 12th, 2004, 04:49 PM

I think that Jesus standing for Stephen was an honor thing too.

I mean, the church's first martyr...

usually in the presence of a King - you stand, and the King sits down.

It's an awesome thing that the King of Kings stood for Stephen..

Patty T

February 12th, 2004, 05:22 PM

Hootmon

February 13th, 2004, 02:52 AM

Raphael

February 13th, 2004, 01:31 PM

Three Musketeers: "All for one, and one for all"

Holy Trinity: "All in One, and One in All"

kerri

February 13th, 2004, 02:00 PM

BHiles

February 13th, 2004, 03:01 PM

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

blitzkreig

February 13th, 2004, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Joshua's Gen
I think that Jesus standing for Stephen was an honor thing too.

I mean, the church's first martyr...

usually in the presence of a King - you stand, and the King sits down.

It's an awesome thing that the King of Kings stood for Stephen.. I do agree that the murder of Stephen had a special significance... somehow...

When you read the NT chronologically, I don't think there is mention of Peter, or the others who were based in Jerusalem, preaching an entreat for Israel, as a Nation, that if only they "repent" that the Messianic Kingdom (Kingdom of Heaven)would immediately be established.

That offer had expired.

Very little is heard from the 12 Apostles from then on... mostly just the mentions in Acts by Luke. The "little flock" in Jerusalem fell on tough financial times... and they started to disperse.

Paul's is introduced and much of the detail in the NT is from Paul from then on...