Jack Hayford

[julie61554]

I was wondering if anyone can tell me how reliable a source Jack Hayford is? I have heard of him, but I can't say that I have ever read anything by him or seen him on tv. I am thinking about getting some bible studies by him and wanted to check before I order them. Thanks.

YSIC

Julie:wave

[bopeep1909]

I have watched him a couple of times and have liked him as well. BUT....I am always on guard because someone can say something that sounds good at the time and can still turn out to be a false teacher. Although I have heard something negative about his teachings somewhere awhile back and I can't remember where....was it Hank? <><

[onsolidrock]

Originally posted by julie61554
I was wondering if anyone can tell me how reliable a source Jack Hayford is? I have heard of him, but I can't say that I have ever read anything by him or seen him on tv. I am thinking about getting some bible studies by him and wanted to check before I order them. Thanks.

YSIC

Julie:wave

www.seekgod.ca/mystics.htm

TBN's Paul Crouch has taught of the “god within” in the 3/93 Praise the Lord newsletter as does his pastor, Jack Hayford who taught it as early as 1979 and 1986.

"If miracles really did cease at 90 A.D. ... If we are not 'little Gods,' we will apologize to you in front of ten thousand times ten thousand before the Crystal Sea!" [Hayford has taught the "little Gods" heresy himself, specifically in a message first recorded in 1979 (titled "Marching Against Mammon") and rebroadcast on a on a 10/2/86 Living Way radio program.] 7.

Definitly a false teacher. Don't waste your money.

[Patty T]

Originally posted by onsolidrock
www.seekgod.ca/mystics.htm

TBN's Paul Crouch has taught of the “god within” in the 3/93 Praise the Lord newsletter as does his pastor, Jack Hayford who taught it as early as 1979 and 1986.

"If miracles really did cease at 90 A.D. ... If we are not 'little Gods,' we will apologize to you in front of ten thousand times ten thousand before the Crystal Sea!" [Hayford has taught the "little Gods" heresy himself, specifically in a message first recorded in 1979 (titled "Marching Against Mammon") and rebroadcast on a on a 10/2/86 Living Way radio program.] 7.

Definitly a false teacher. Don't waste your money.

Do we know if there is anything more recent? Say, something from the last 4 years?

1979, 1986 and 1993 were a long time ago. People change, beliefs change.

[reborn]

Jack hayford has some great stuff out. He has written a book called "rebuilding the real you" It is about the Holy Spirit assisting the believer in rebuilding life's broken places.

[billiefan2000]

and a spokesperson for the International Fellowship of Jews and Christians (weblink below)

http://ifcj.org/


and Jack Hayford's website is at:

http://jackhayford.com/


Other than his Mid trib Rapture beliefs,I believe he is a great preacher and reminds me of Charles Stanley and Adrian Rogers in a way.


Too bad his show is only 30 minutes now on TBN instead of 60 like it used to be (why there has to be 10 or more showings a week of Joel Osteen on TBN puzzles me,but that is another issue)

[Christ Rocks On]

I would avoid him. The fact that Paul and Jan Crouch are members of his church is scary.

[lookinupval]

If a pastor is judged by who attends his church, we would have to condemn all pastors.

Jack Hayford is a beautiful man of God. I've listened to several of his sermons, and they were all straight from the Bible.

My pastor's daughter married Jack's son, and my pastor is straight up fundamental.

Just watch some of Jack's sermons and form your own opinions. And I do liken him to Charles Stanley and Adrian Rogers.

[bopeep1909]

I would avoid him. The fact that Paul and Jan Crouch are members of his church is scary.


That is all I needed to know:freaked NO THANKS:tsk

[Patty T]

I would avoid him. The fact that Paul and Jan Crouch are members of his church is scary.

Originally posted by bopeep1909
That is all I needed to know:freaked NO THANKS:tsk

:sigh

Like someone else said - if Pastors are judged or justified or condemned by who attends their church, we are all in trouble.

[julie61554]

Thanks everyone for letting me know! I will just look into getting some different bible studies. He may be good, but as far as I can remember, I have never heard him preach so I will just look elsewhere for now. I listen to Chuck Missler alot but most of his studies I think are on audio cassette or CD and I just wanted some books.

Thanks again everyone!

YSIC

Julie:wave

[Christ Rocks On]

Originally posted by lookinupval
If a pastor is judged by who attends his church, we would have to condemn all pastors.

Jack Hayford is a beautiful man of God. I've listened to several of his sermons, and they were all straight from the Bible.

My pastor's daughter married Jack's son, and my pastor is straight up fundamental.

Just watch some of Jack's sermons and form your own opinions. And I do liken him to Charles Stanley and Adrian Rogers.

I'm sorry, but anyone who is closely associated with Paul and Jan Crouch, who have been documented as spreading heresy among the Church, is suspect to me, and these links give me plenty reason to be suspect.

Mixing lies with the truth does not a good teacher make.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hayford/general.htm

http://www.straightistheway.com/warning/hayford/jack_hayford.html

http://www.wayoflife.org/otimothy/tl070028.htm

[ronredeem]

I am just curious, if the Spirit of God has you tuned into a particular minister why would you go and ask someone else what do they think of that minister? There are no perfect vessels in the Body of Christ so every minister is off some way or another. The reason you are attracted to a minister is because they are saying something that connects to your spirit. Now here is where faith comes in, you have to trust God that you are being led by His Spirit. You can miss God by listening to someone else’s opinion.

[Christ Rocks On]

We are also to aware of and avoid false teachers.

[ronredeem]

Christ Rocks on,

How do you determine a false minister? What criteria do you use?

[onsolidrock]

Originally posted by ronredeem
Christ Rocks on,

How do you determine a false minister? What criteria do you use?

The criteria is simple. The Bible. If what a preacher says doesn't agree with what the Bible says then don't listen to him. My pastor says that if what he says can't be found in the Bible then don't believe him.

We should choose a church based on what they believe and teach. This is called doctrine. Unfortunately most people today choose a church based on fellowship or the type of worship style or type of music, Doctrine is usually way down the list.

[baptizedNchrist]

:thumb

It's so refreshing to see that there are still people who stand for truth AS truth!

I think Charles Spurgeon had the right words:

"Everywhere there is apathy. Nobody cares whether that which is preached is true or false. A sermon is a sermon whatever the subject; only, the shorter it is the better."

In the Messiah's love, Shalom!
baptizedNchrist:wave

[Christ Rocks On]

Originally posted by ronredeem
Christ Rocks on,

How do you determine a false minister? What criteria do you use?

The bible, of course. :):

'Nuff said.

[onsolidrock]

Originally posted by ronredeem
I am just curious, if the Spirit of God has you tuned into a particular minister why would you go and ask someone else what do they think of that minister? There are no perfect vessels in the Body of Christ so every minister is off some way or another.


Every minister can make mistakes and be wrong. That is why it is important to study the Scriptures, so that we won't be misled. And when you do hear something that doesn't agree with the Bible you should point it out to him. I have done that once and he agreed with me and thanked me for it.

[quote] The reason you are attracted to a minister is because they are saying something that connects to your spirit. Now here is where faith comes in, you have to trust God that you are being led by His Spirit. You can miss God by listening to someone else’s opinion. [/QUOTE

We should be attracted to a minister who teaches from the Word of God not what we want to hear. We can have faith in the Bible because it is the word of God. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[ronredeem]

Christ Rocks on and On Solid Rock,
The reason I ask that is because many, many times we judge things when it’s convenient for us and not according to the Word coupled with the Spirit.

Let me give you an example: Many ministers preach their denomination (which is not in the Bible) and it causes division. This division is contrary to Jesus’ prayer in John 17 when He prayed that we would be one as He and the Father are one. Paul also confirmed this desire of Jesus when He said let there be no division in you (The Body). Jesus said also that He came to bring division but He meant the separation of His Body from the world.

I believe anything in conflict with Jesus’ words or prayers is evil. Do you agree? With that being true, division is not desirable and must be eliminated. So are these ministers who align themselves to denomination false ministers? If you base you decision on the Word alone then your answer would have to be yes. But if we sought out the Spirit behind the Word we wouldn’t judge things so quickly and incorrectly. Remember the word can be wrongly divided.

[onsolidrock]

Christ Rocks on and On Solid Rock,
The reason I ask that is because many, many times we judge things when it’s convenient for us and not according to the Word coupled with the Spirit.
We should always ask the Holy Spirit to guide us when we study the Bible. However it is the Bible that is the measuring stick to measure teachings by. If they don't measure up then it is a false teaching.

I believe anything in conflict with Jesus’ words or prayers is evil. Do you agree?
no. a misunderstanding, a wrong interpretation is not necessarily evil.
With that being true, division is not desirable and must be eliminated.
It may not be desirable but it will never be eliminated.
So are these ministers who align themselves to denomination false ministers? If you base you decision on the Word alone then your answer would have to be yes.
Most false teachings among the different denominations are not salvation issues. Most are rather minor issues.
But if we sought out the Spirit behind the Word we wouldn’t judge things so quickly and incorrectly. Remember the word can be wrongly divided.

Yes the word can be wrongly divided and often is. That is why it is important to study the Bible and to understand the importance of context.

[ronredeem]

{quote by OnSolidRock}
We should always ask the Holy Spirit to guide us when we study the Bible. However it is the Bible that is the measuring stick to measure teachings by. If they don't measure up then it is a false teaching

The scribes and the Pharisees used the word as their measuring stick to guage teaching and they declare Jesus as false teacher. Why? Because they did not rightly divide the word. They could not see past their own motivation and see God's divine purpose.
They refuse to allow the Spirit of God to lead them into the Truth because of their own selfishness.

{quote by On Solid Rock}
no. a misunderstanding, a wrong interpretation is not necessarily evil

In your eyes it may not be evil but a wrong interpretation will hold a person in bondage. It is the TRUTH that will MAKE you FREE.

{quote by On Solid Rock}
Most false teachings among the different denominations are not salvation issues. Most are rather minor issues.


What is minor to you is not minor to God. You willingness to settle for a lie may prohibit others from entering in. You may have your salvation but the world is looking for the truth. In John 17 Jesus desires for us to be one so that the world may know that the Father has sent HIM. At this time the world has not seen that the Father has sent Jesus because we tolerate wrong interpetation, lies, misunderstanding and whatever else you want to call it. You say it not a salvation issue because you feel you have your salvation but what about God's desires. He desires that all comes to knowledge of His Son.

[joelch2]

Originally posted by julie61554
I was wondering if anyone can tell me how reliable a source Jack Hayford is? I have heard of him, but I can't say that I have ever read anything by him or seen him on tv. I am thinking about getting some bible studies by him and wanted to check before I order them. Thanks.

YSIC

Julie:wave

I guess he is OK. I drive by his ministry on Sherman Way quite often, but have never attended.

[Christ Rocks On]

Originally posted by ronredeem
Christ Rocks on and On Solid Rock,
The reason I ask that is because many, many times we judge things when it’s convenient for us and not according to the Word coupled with the Spirit.

Let me give you an example: Many ministers preach their denomination (which is not in the Bible) and it causes division. This division is contrary to Jesus’ prayer in John 17 when He prayed that we would be one as He and the Father are one. Paul also confirmed this desire of Jesus when He said let there be no division in you (The Body). Jesus said also that He came to bring division but He meant the separation of His Body from the world.

I believe anything in conflict with Jesus’ words or prayers is evil. Do you agree? With that being true, division is not desirable and must be eliminated. So are these ministers who align themselves to denomination false ministers? If you base you decision on the Word alone then your answer would have to be yes. But if we sought out the Spirit behind the Word we wouldn’t judge things so quickly and incorrectly. Remember the word can be wrongly divided.

Division will never be eliminated until Jesus comes back. Until then, we have to do our best to rightly divide the Word and steer clear of false teachers and false prophets.

[ronredeem]

He is already here if He is in us.

{quoted by Christ Rocks on}
Division will never be eliminated until Jesus comes back. Until then, we have to do our best to rightly divide the Word and steer clear of false teachers and false prophets.

This is one of the error and misunderstanding that I referred to early. We accept and tolerate division as though it's Kingdom principle.
It is not scriptual or based on Kingdom principle. It's is one of the evils that holds us (the Body) in bondage.

Here is what the Word says about UNITY:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in

Veres 13 illustrates that the more unified we become in Christ the more Christ is in the earth.

If you are trying to divide the word for youself then you (or me ) will miss it everytime. It the Spirit of God who helps us to divide the Word correctly. That why we have so many denomination and so little power operating in the Body. Division!

[onsolidrock]

He is already here if He is in us.
It is the Holy Spirit that is in us not Jesus. His return will be physical not Spiritual.

{quoted by Christ Rocks on}
Division will never be eliminated until Jesus comes back. Until then, we have to do our best to rightly divide the Word and steer clear of false teachers and false prophets.

RonRedeem said; This is one of the error and misunderstanding that I referred to early. We accept and tolerate division as though it's Kingdom principle.
It is not error or misunderstanding. It is fact. The divisions will disappear when Christ returns to establish His Kingdom.
It is not scriptual or based on Kingdom principle. It's is one of the evils that holds us (the Body) in bondage.
What do you mean by Kingdom principle? We are not living in His Kingdom yet. How can that apply to today?

Here is what the Word says about UNITY:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in

Veres 13 illustrates that the more unified we become in Christ the more Christ is in the earth.
Are you saying that if all of the Churches were to come together and unify that would bring about the return of Christ?

If you are trying to divide the word for youself then you (or me ) will miss it everytime.
Not true. We all have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us to help us. We don't have to conjure up a different spirit to rightly divide the Word.
It the Spirit of God who helps us to divide the Word correctly. That why we have so many denomination and so little power operating in the Body. Division!
We do have power in the Body. Those churches who major in the "sign" gifts do not have more power than any other church.

[Christ Rocks On]

With all due respect, ronredeem, but I do not agree with the point of view you're trying to convey. Your last post, for the most part, did not make any sense to me. I would like to claify that when I spoke of Jesus coming back, I was referring to when He comes back to set up His Millennial Kingdom.

At this point, I think we should just respectfully agree to disagree. :wave

[ronredeem]

Christ Rocks On,
I respect your position to disagree. You have a bless day in the Lord.


{quoted by OnSolidRock}
What do you mean by Kingdom principle? We are not living in His Kingdom yet. How can that apply to today?


OnSolidRock,
I just want to give some scripture why I know the Kingdom is already here.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

I may be wrong, I gather from your words that you may be mistaking the arrival of the Kingdom and the fulness of the Glory of God. I agree the fulness of His Glory has not arrived where we can see it but being that we are a portion of Jesus's body the Kingdom is here.

Also, I our lives should be exhibiting Kingdom principles. Oneness, Love, Joy and etc. are Kingdom principles. Here is one more scripture:

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

[Christ Rocks On]

Christ Rocks On,
I respect your position to disagree. You have a bless day in the Lord.

Thank you. Have a blessed day yourself, ronredee. :):

[pilgrimian]

Originally posted by ronredeem
Christ Rocks On,
I respect your position to disagree. You have a bless day in the Lord.


{quoted by OnSolidRock}
What do you mean by Kingdom principle? We are not living in His Kingdom yet. How can that apply to today?


OnSolidRock,
I just want to give some scripture why I know the Kingdom is already here.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

I may be wrong, I gather from your words that you may be mistaking the arrival of the Kingdom and the fulness of the Glory of God. I agree the fulness of His Glory has not arrived where we can see it but being that we are a portion of Jesus's body the Kingdom is here.

Also, I our lives should be exhibiting Kingdom principles. Oneness, Love, Joy and etc. are Kingdom principles. Here is one more scripture:

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

There are many aspects of "The Kingdom." People must differentiate between what Kingdom is being spoken of. Christ is not yet on the Throne of David in Jerusalem, as Scripture tells us He will be. No. He is presently at the Right Hand of the Father, and also within us as He is One with the Spirit, and omnipresent. His being within us does not mean He's ruling from Jerusalem. The Millennial Kingdom, and the Mystery Kingdom (see Matthew 13) are different. The Millennial Kingdom will last an actual 1000 years. This present kingdom has lasted about 2004 years, and will come to an end with the "fullness of the Gentiles."

Ecumenical desires within "the church" are silly. We are not to submit ourselves to false teachers. One can certainly tell the teacher that they are wrong...but the false teachers will continue. Tilton is still around teaching incorrectly...Creflo Dollar is still around, too. Should I worship with Bishop Spong for the sake of unity? My foundation is Scripture, and I won't compromise that foundation for any lie of Satan. The appearance of unity means nothing if our focus is not in unity.

In 2 Corinthians 11:4 and 5 Paul is writing with some amount of sarcasm, yet his point is clear enough. Paul is clear that the Corinthians were not to submit themselves to false teachers...so why should we for the sake of unity? If you look at all passages concerning false teachers I don't see anything that says we are to "keep unity in the church" in spite of them.

In 1 Timothy 6:11 we are told to "flee" from things which false teachers may advocate. Paul does not say to follow those who are "conceited and understand nothing" (verse 3). We are called to faithfulness...not to following such individuals because the "church" needs to be unified. After all...if they are false then they are not part of the church. Look at what Peter writes about false teachers in 2 Peter 2. We are not to be exploited by them (see verse 3...and see verse 17). Where in this context are we told to follow such people for the sake of unity?

Unity is a lie of Satan if we are unified with people who have bad doctrine that is not based in Scripture. Are we to be "ecumenical" and accept gays and lesbians into the church? I think not. We are to love them, but to fellowship with them...no. Remember the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 5 concerning the man who was sleeping with his mother-in-law:

3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


So this man was to be "delivered over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh." See 1 John 5:19. They are to not fellowship with him, and yet Paul doesn't say that this man has "lost his salvation." He writes that they church is to not fellowship with him "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." Maybe this is true of Jack Hayford. I personally don't listen to him, and I'm not interested in doing so. So the man in 1 Corinthians was to repent, and change...then he could likely return to worshipping with the church in Corinth. However, he had not repented and was "leaven" or impurity within that church. They are not to gather together for church with one is openly engaged in such sin (verse 8). The same is true for bad doctrine like what I've heard concerning Jack Hayford. Also see verses 9 through 13.

I have a feeling that Paul would write a letter to Jack Hayford. And I don't believe it would be a very nice letter either. This is my subjective opinion, but I have an inkling it might sound like one of the letters he wrote to the Corinthians. Bad teaching is never a good thing. Jack Hayford show be quite aware of James 3:1. He will be judged more harshly than those who do not teach.

See 2 Corinthians 7:8 through 16, as well.

Godspeed,
Matthew

[edited to add portion concerning Corinthians and Peter]

[Christ Rocks On]

:thumb

[ronredeem]

On Solid Rock,
I agree we shouldn't hookup just for the sake of unity, on the other hand I don't think that we should create division just because some one disagrees with something that we hold to be true because we am not always right. I have found out through the Word and experience that there is power in unity.

Bob Tilton, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Myers and whatever other person you want to label as false doesn't bother me as much as the teaching we tolerate that promotes division. This teaching is prevalent because denominational leaders believe that they are right and are willing to separate themselves at all cost. There will be some separation but it should be done by the leading of the Holy Spirit not according to a person's pride, race, theology, gender and whatever other things that may motivate people.

Remember the in upper room on the day of pentecost, every one present laid down there own personal agenda, making it easy for the Spirit of God to flow. When was the last time you seen 120 people in unity (one accord) change the lives of 3,000 in a matter of minutes? For this to work the Body has to lay down it own personal agenda. These personal agenda hinders the FATHER'S will and that is to fill the Heavens and the earth with the CHRIST. Most denominations are concern with increasing their denomination. This is a major problem. It's not the healing teaching, propersity teaching, tongue teaching and etc. that causes the problems but it is the the deception of the teaching that you must be part of a denomination and separate yourself from others in the Body.

{Qouted by On Solid Rock}
Maybe this is true of Jack Hayford. I personally don't listen to him, and I'm not interested in doing so.


I have one question. How can you judge a man if you have never heard him before? How can you lead people away from what God may have call him to function as and you have never heard him? That doesn't seen rational to me. I can understand if a person is inconclusive about a person because they have a small amount of info but to declare him as a false teacher and never heard him let alone met him or talk to him. To compare Jack Hayford to the man sleeping with His step mother in Corinthian makes me wonder about your agenda.

[pilgrimian]

Originally posted by ronredeem
On Solid Rock,
I agree we shouldn't hookup just for the sake of unity, on the other hand I don't think that we should create division just because some one disagrees with something that we hold to be true because we am not always right. I have found out through the Word and experience that there is power in unity.

Bob Tilton, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Myers and whatever other person you want to label as false doesn't bother me as much as the teaching we tolerate that promotes division. This teaching is prevalent because denominational leaders believe that they are right and are willing to separate themselves at all cost. There will be some separation but it should be done by the leading of the Holy Spirit not according to a person's pride, race, theology, gender and whatever other things that may motivate people.

Remember the in upper room on the day of pentecost, every one present laid down there own personal agenda, making it easy for the Spirit of God to flow. When was the last time you seen 120 people in unity (one accord) change the lives of 3,000 in a matter of minutes? For this to work the Body has to lay down it own personal agenda. These personal agenda hinders the FATHER'S will and that is to fill the Heavens and the earth with the CHRIST. Most denominations are concern with increasing their denomination. This is a major problem. It's not the healing teaching, propersity teaching, tongue teaching and etc. that causes the problems but it is the the deception of the teaching that you must be part of a denomination and separate yourself from others in the Body.

{Qouted by On Solid Rock}
Maybe this is true of Jack Hayford. I personally don't listen to him, and I'm not interested in doing so.


I have one question. How can you judge a man if you have never heard him before? How can you lead people away from what God may have call him to function as and you have never heard him? That doesn't seen rational to me. I can understand if a person is inconclusive about a person because they have a small amount of info but to declare him as a false teacher and never heard him let alone met him or talk to him. To compare Jack Hayford to the man sleeping with His step mother in Corinthian makes me wonder about your agenda.

First of all, I'm not OnSolidRock...though I am on the solid Rock, that is Jesus (Yeshua), where my foundation is. Therefore, I have no "agenda," as you want to call it. My foundation is Scripture...read literally and correctly...read in context, prescriptively & descriptively. The fact that you want to say I have an "agenda" is a misnomer. My only interest is living the way the Scriptures instruct me to.

I have no need to listen to Jack Hayford, I've read much about his beliefs and his incorrect doctrine. That's quite enough. I don't need to listen to him myself. I'd rather embrace those who read the Scriptures without an "agenda" to feel this or that...without an "agenda" to promise a healing that God's will may not permit. To say that the atonement promised healing in all forms (Charisma, June 1992) is to make God a liar. I do believe God can, and does, heal people. But I would not give such a false hope to everyone. God most certainly saves us from sin...this He certainly did in the atonement. Will He heal all who ask Him to? No. There is no "agenda" here. Just seeking Biblical truth.

Perhaps you could tell me when Kathryn Kuhlman, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, or Jack Hayford have ever healed an overbite. Seems to me most faith-healers center on tumors and the muscles and forget about the dental needs of God's faithful among Israel and the Nations.

Godspeed,
Matthew