Jewish question

[farfromhome]

I have a question and thought I would get the best answer from all of you wise rapture ready rangers.

What if a Christian woman marries a Jewish man and he converts to Christianity, is he no longer considered Jewish? Or is he a Jewish Christian? And if they had children would their children be considered Jewish? I heard that in order for a person to be considered Jewish, the mother has to be Jewish or has to have converted to being Jewish. Anyone know?:confused

[Bondservant]

A Jew does not stop being a Jew when he believes Jesus is his Messiah. Peter was Jew, Jesus was Jew...did Jesus stop being a Jew because He was the Messiah? Not..

[farfromhome]

Well, I know a lady who was Christian and married a Jewish man and she converted so their children would be considered Jewish.
Bondservant, you didn't have to sound so rude. You don't have to make people feel stupid for asking an honest question. Geez, time to become a lurker again.:tape

[joy4Him2day]

don't be discouraged about asking questions......
it is hard sometimes to know the "spirit" of words on a page....but try to think the best of the answers.....sometimes people are just short and to the point, but not meaning anything malicious about it.....
I asked some similar questions and got a very long thread, maybe you could search for it....I think it was titled What makes a person Jewish?
maybe you could find some answer in that......
i am willing to believe that no maliciousness was intended....
:):

[BarbT]

....he converts to Christianity, is he no longer considered Jewish? Still completely Jewish. :): Or is he a Jewish Christian? Yes. He would also be known as a "completed Jew". :thumb

As for children, the mother's Jewish bloodline is the deciding factor.

[antsinmypants]

OK,

I have Hebraic roots. I've no idea which tribe, but I know i've got roots. That's beside the point.

My fiance is "Jewish" Either of Judah, Benjamin or Levi.. I'd have to do more searching on his family's names to find out which.

Because he found Messiah, He is now Messianic. We both are Messianic Believers.

He never stops being "Jewish" and I have never stopped, no matter how the family line has gone, being Hebraic.

This quote bothers me:
As for children, the mother's Jewish bloodline is the deciding factor.

Why does it bother me? Because this is not what the bible teaches. This is what The Rabbis teach. This is ORAL TORAH. Not BIBLICAL TORAH.

Jewishness is determined by either the father or mother, According to the BIBLE.


And, Rav Sha'ul (Paul) spoke about conversion to Judaism in his writings.. Our Messianic Beliefs are not "Seperate" from Judaism. This is Completed Judaism.. those who were not of Israel, have now become incorporated, as Torah, the Prophets and the Renewed Covenant teaches.

The "Ger" (Righteous of the Nations) has now joined his or her self to the nation, and his or her children would be considered children of Yisrael if they followed all the teachings (By the Spirit and not the Letter) of The Book.

That's what's being talked about in John when Y'shua speaks of the vine-- and that's what's being talked about when Rav Sha'ul is talking about the olive tree and the branches. That goes way back into scripture and prophesy.

Farfromhome, Bondservant wasn't being rude, she was just giving you the Reader's Digest Version of this. Sometimes people just want short and easy answers, sometimes they don't.
I don't know if she saw your comment or not, but I did- and knowing her as I do- I know this was not her intentions at all.


It's frustrating sometimes, as someone who is Messianic and about to be married to someone who ACTUALLY KNOWS his roots now-- and I have rabbis telling me I should do this or that, or people in the church telling me this or that and worrying over whether our children in the future...


And each time, I SET MY FOOT DOWN and tell them what the bible says.


The only thing that matters is what YHVH thinks about the whole matter.

Not what one rabbi says...

Not what one preacher says..

Not what his or your parents say..


What YHVH our Abba in Heaven, says.



Look at Y'shua's geneology-- You will find Ruth, Rachab and other people who were not considered "Jewish" who were referred to as "Righteous Ger" (Righteous of the Nations) who kept all the writings of YHVH's Book (What was available at the time) And who believed on Him, and married someone who was a Hebrew.

That doesn't make Messiah any less Jewish!

Selah (think about it),


Ants :wave

[Jacob]

Originally posted by farfromhome
I have a question and thought I would get the best answer from all of you wise rapture ready rangers.

What if a Christian woman marries a Jewish man and he converts to Christianity, is he no longer considered Jewish? Or is he a Jewish Christian? And if they had children would their children be considered Jewish? I heard that in order for a person to be considered Jewish, the mother has to be Jewish or has to have converted to being Jewish. Anyone know?:confused

I believe, from a biblical standpoint, that a Jew who becomes a Christian is still a Jew, the Jews are a distinct people not merely a religion. Christ came for the Jews first and then the Gentiles. Paul discusses this in Romans 9, 10, 11.

From the Jewish standpoint, if I understand this correctly, I believe that the more conservative and orthodox Jews consider a Jewish Christian to be a Jew, but one who is a "bad" Jew; whereas the Reform Jewishs teaching states that one must practice and adhere to the tennants of Judiasm to be considered Jewish as well. I might be mistaken on that, but I think that this is what I read.

[pamaris]

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

"Jewishness" will only become a factor after we are gone, when the age of grace is over and God deals specifically with the Jews. Right now God sees no distinction between a saved Jew and a saved Englishman.

edit to add: So if we are speaking ethnically, yes he is still a Jew. Religiously NO.

[Xlcor]

I have no Jews in my ancestry, but according to Romans 2:28-29, I am a "True Jew".:thumb