Derek Prince

[His Sparrow]

I just received a book by Derek Prince titled The Spirit Filled Believers Handbook. The intro and 1st chapter look good. Does anyone know anything about him and whether he teaches sound, good doctrine?

[chiefjoyce]

I think I saw a piece on the 700 about his life (I think he died this year).

[crosshearted]

Yes he and four other pastors joined together to start what is now known as the Shepherding/Discipling doctrine that is closly related to the old "Latter day Rain Movement" and the "Manifest Sons of God" teachings. They are also closely aligned with the charismatic abuses of the Kingdom Now/Dominion Theology that is being taught. He also was widely recognized as a Prophet by the WOF movement.

[crosshearted]

Forgot to add no he does not teach sound or good docrtine

He teaches doctrines of Devils, that Christians can be possesed by demon spirits.

[Joshua's Gen]

Originally posted by crosshearted
Yes he and four other pastors joined together to start what is now known as the Shepherding/Discipling doctrine that is closly related to the old "Latter day Rain Movement" and the "Manifest Sons of God" teachings.

All of that is moot, he renounced and repented for the shepherding doctrines years ago. :doh

I've gleaned a good deal from him.
He was in the charismatic camp, I think, but balanced from what I've caught.

:thumb

[crosshearted]

But he didn't repent of the "Latter day Rain/ Manifested Sons of God" heresy. The last days Joel's Army view of the end times.

[Joshua's Gen]

I'd need some documented stuff on this to fairly form any more opinion.

[crosshearted]

It is late now and I will post the references and details tomorrow for you.

[CrossLightMin]

:wave


Derek was well respected among many of the charismatics for serveral years.



His servant,
stacie

[seeker42]

Yes he and four other pastors joined together to start what is now known as the Shepherding/Discipling doctrine that is closly related to the old "Latter day Rain Movement" and the "Manifest Sons of God" teachings. They are also closely aligned with the charismatic abuses of the Kingdom Now/Dominion Theology that is being taught. He also was widely recognized as a Prophet by the WOF movement.


Sadly, this is true. He is well known as one of the Ft. Lauderdale five, that ran the hundreds of shepherding churches, and taught that the Pastor was the personal representative of God almost in the same way as the Pope is for Catholics (except that Catholics admit that the pope does not “Always” speak for God).

Derek Prince probably got a good reference on the 700 club, because Pat Robertson used to work
with Derek Prince through the Christian Embassy in Israel. While it is good that Derek Prince was pro-Israel, his theology though zealous, was not balanced (in tune with the full measure of Biblical teachings).

However, a person could still be exposed to some of his books, and they may lead theologically in a good direction. Or they may have in some cases. God uses many things.

I have heard rumors that he supposedly repented, but I have never seen That documentation. The only one that I knew had repented (somewhat) – of the Ft Lauderdale 5 Shepherds – was Bob Mumford. This documentation can be found in the 1987 issues of Charisma Magazine. But if you actually read the article, the “repentance” aspect of that is Tepid, at best. After that time, many of the shepherding churches went underground. The Fort Lauderdale 5 shepherds did say that they would not coordinate their activities as much as they had before. but exactly what that was supposed to mean is not clear. I think the only one who is still alive is Bob Mumford (but I am not sure on that).

Anyways, if there is any evidence of Repentance on Derek Prince’s part, it would be nice to know where to find that. And it seems doubtful because the Shepherding networks were still not disbanded in the 1990s.

Part of the problem is that his cassette teachings and private manuals were not the same as the books that were released to the Public, which is among the usual tactics of a "shepherding" church.

Seeker
:):

[CrossLightMin]

:wave

I listened to serveral of his teaching tapes. The ones I listened to taught basic New Testament concepts. The one I remember most was about how Jesus santified Himself for us.. set Himself aside from all plans and purposes of the world to be placed into a position .. set Himself aside for the purpose of God... to be fulfilled that we might come to our Father. IE.. The path, the walk, the things that needed to be done in order to fulfill all that was needed for our redemption.. Jesus set Himself in this position and walked in those steps. I hope I am explaining it correctly.

Then Derek explained what and how we can santify our steps, our lives, for the Lord.. ie.. Our Heavenly Father says He wants us to have a specific "purpose" in our life.. and we surrender our own personal agenda to walk in the one chosen by our Heavenly Father.

Derek said it much better :)

But, this was the type of teaching he did on the tapes that I had. His books are good too. I did not agree with all the things he said, either because I did not want to... or because I understood things differently. But, I never saw any of the "shepherding movement" in the books. If it was there, I just rejected it and gleaned what I felt the Lord wanted me to know.

It amazes me of how there are so many different understandings of a single issue.. ie.. can a christian be possessed?
answer: absolutely yes..
absolutely no
only under certain conditions
I don't know, but matters is.... .... ....

If the Holy Spirit leads one to study Derek's work.. study ye study

Thank you Holy Spirit for being our teacher and guide,
our comfort and our helper...

Go God go...



His servant
stacie

[crosshearted]

CrossLightMin you wrote,
It amazes me of how there are so many different understandings of a single issue.. ie.. can a christian be possessed?
answer: absolutely yes..
absolutely no

This answer is no answer, it can't be both

[CrossLightMin]

:wave

You are correct.

And I believe there are answers to the issues we place at the Throne of the Lord. But, that is where prayer, study, and allowing the Holy Spirit to be our teacher comes in, for it is in His presence that we have to answer to.. not the opinions of man.

Our leaders are very helpful.
And we are very greatful for their help
And they are accountable for what they teach us...

But, the bottom line is what the Holy Spirit leads us to know and understand. He is the "bottom line" teacher. The Umpire! The peace that He puts within our spirits.

That is why I said, if the Holy Spirit leads you to study Derek.. study ye study. And in doing this, obeying, know that He will bless you and show you the things He wants you to learn.


His servant
stacie:):

[Singlesis]

Can Christians be possessed?

I've always been of the belief that Christians cannot be possessed (inhabited by demons), but they can certainly be oppressed (attacked, annoyed, buffeted, bothered, tripped up, etc.).

MHO

[crosshearted]

To me there can only be one answer and that is what is true by the scriptures.

It does seem as though if something is Biblicaly wrong that the Holy Spirit wouldn"t lead you to study it other than maybe to understand the error.

If a christian can't be possesed by demons and a teacher teachs that you can I don,t believe the Spirit would lead you to study this teachers work.

[His Sparrow]

I'm only in the first chapter, but so far he is teaching straight from the bible. No red flags. I did a search on his name and read his autobiography, it's facinating to say the least. He is a remarkable man, and in love with the Lord whatever error he subsequently fell into. It puts me in mind of the scripture about the very elect being deceived.

I'd be interested in hearing anything anybody else has to say about him.

[Geoff274544]

Originally posted by seeker42


I have heard rumors that he supposedly repented, but I have never seen That documentation. The only one that I knew had repented (somewhat) – of the Ft Lauderdale 5 Shepherds – was Bob Mumford. This documentation can be found in the 1987 issues of Charisma Magazine. But if you actually read the article, the “repentance” aspect of that is Tepid, at best. After that time, many of the shepherding churches went underground. The Fort Lauderdale 5 shepherds did say that they would not coordinate their activities as much as they had before. but exactly what that was supposed to mean is not clear. I think the only one who is still alive is Bob Mumford (but I am not sure on that).
:):

Shalom seeker42

I only read this once before on thenet. According to some site, he had repented, though I never saw any document.

I must admit, I really did enjoy Derek's teaching, the people who really are missing him are the messianic believers in Jerusalem who knew him.