They dont belive in the rapture..?

[Child-Of-God]

http://www.bibleforums.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10818

i was reading this and i thought i wud share it with u, its long but worth it, this got me sooooo confused..!

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by Child-Of-God
i was reading this and i thought i wud share it with u, its long but worth it, this got me sooooo confused..! I haven't read the link but do have a comment. If your authority is the Bible no matter where you go or what you hear it should not be very confusing.

[Child-Of-God]

well im only 16 and still a "baby" in christ, i do have my faith in the bible but one of them were saying that he is not oing to take us out of this world bu that we have to go through tribulation and die!

[bopeep1909]

one of them were saying that he is not oing to take us out of this world bu that we have to go through tribulation and die!

Many faiths and religions believe that God will not be coming back until after the tribulation or that there will not even be a tribulation(amillenial). I myself am pre-trib but many are not. That does not make me right and them wrong. We will just have to wait and see. I will be happy being in the arms of my Lord either way.<><

[Lonewolf7]

Originally posted by Child-Of-God
well im only 16 and still a "baby" in christ, i do have my faith in the bible but one of them were saying that he is not oing to take us out of this world bu that we have to go through tribulation and die!

These verses should bring comfort to you.....

They illustrate your position in Jesus Christ....and the reasons for His coming wrath.

Perhaps this is the wrong forum.....but I think these will ease your mind.

Isaiah 38:17
Surely it was for my benefit
that I suffered such anguish.
In your love you kept me
from the pit of destruction;
you have put all my sins
behind your back.

Psalm 103:12
as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

Jeremiah 31:34…….declares the LORD . "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more

Romans 4:7
"Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."[1]

John 5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

John 8:36
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.


Romans 5 :1
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

Acts 15:8
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us

Romans 15:16
….. an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

Colossians 3:4
When Christ, who is your[1] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

Isaiah 26:20
Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her;
she will conceal her slain no longer.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

Nahum 1:2
The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

Colossians 3:6
Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[1]

Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again.

Luke 21:26
Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

Revelation 6:16
They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

God is taking His wrath out on earth....for 'their sins'

God took out His wrath on Jesus Christ for 'YOUR SINS'.

Does this make sense to you?
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[Child-Of-God]

Yes it does, thanks, i think i need to read more scripture, but i need a youth bible, the kjv is pretty tricky for anyone to nderstand, i will try and get one from somewhere!

[Carolyn]

Lonewolf7,

That was great!

[jenniofYahushua]

Hello child of God!

Well I did not read the article but I will tell you I am not a pre tribber and I do beleive we will go through the tribulation. However what I wanted to write to you is that as you are a babe in Messiah I can see that you have fear over this issue. I do not want to place more fear in you but I do want to speak to you about tribulations whether it be daily or in the end times.

Whether the rapture is pre or post trib is one thing. However we should all know that even before the rapture we can ourselves go through persecution, trials, even imprisonment, and death.

These things are part of being a christian because we now are the light of the world with the Lord living in us. Just as the world hated Him they will also hate us.
Many of our brethern all over the world go through this daily but because we are in america many here think it cannot happen to us but it can and we should be ready at all times to go through whatever the Lord puts us through and we are blessed when we partake in the sufferings of Messiah.
2Cr 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.
Rom 5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

As I said I do not want you to be fearful of these things which come upon us FOR GOOD AND ORDAINED OF GOD. But I would that you understand this is real and does happen and that you seek the Lord to increase your faith in His will for you and trust that all things that do happen to us are by the will of God for His purposes. There is not ever a thing that happens to us good or bad that the Lord cant see, There is nothing that ever happens to us that the Lord does not control.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
notice ALL THINGS! not just good not just bad but everything!
This is how the Lord works this is how the Lord is Soverign over everything. May you grow in faith in the Lord and be ready and willing to stand and suffer all things that may come upon you whether today or tommorow, whether pre trib rapture or not. In this you will be strong and serve the Lord well, you will contend for the faith and love the purposes of the Lord and no one will take away your crown!:thumb