Is Collodial Silver effective against the flu?

[MinnesotaSlim]

Has anyone here have any experience with collodial silver and its effectiveness against the flu? I'm looking for alternatives as I don't like vaccinations in general.

[bopeep1909]

Is Collodial Silver effective against the flu?


:confused The only thing that is going to help is the flu shot Many adults and children are going to die because they did not get the shot.

[Mrs. Hoppes]

Originally posted by bopeep1909
:confused The only thing that is going to help is the flu shot Many adults and children are going to die because they did not get the shot.


There are people dying who DID get the shot back in October.

[Joshua's Gen]

We used to have this stuff.

It looked funny.

It tasted terrible.

But didn't use it enough times to really form a stance on it.

[blitzkreig]

Collodial Silver is great as long as you don't blow out a kidney or something. Dialysis would be a real bummer.

[henesey]

I tried it for a year and found it a total waste of money. Zero effect at prevention and haling.

[bopeep1909]

There are people dying who DID get the shot back in October.

:confused Please explain

[Mrs. Hoppes]

Originally posted by bopeep1909
:confused Please explain


Here's one

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=1642&u_sid=938455

Erin Mouw said her daughter had completed her flu vaccinations in October.

I could find more. The vaccine they made and the flu going around are two different viruses.
It's been all over the news.

[GloryBound]

The information the CDC has reported here in Georgia is that the current flu shot is only effective for SOME strains of flu. The most dangerous strain is NOT covered. So anyone wanting to boost their immune system is WISE.

I use colloidal silver in my nebulizer when I have a respiratory infection, since it usually goes to my lungs and I have asthma. It works very well, I don't know what it would do orally.

Blitzkreig, you mention kidney "blowout" from colloidal silver. Please post a link for this. There ARE studies on colloidal silver, and I have not seen this information.

[Lurkinguy]

Is Collodial Silver effective against the flu? I don't know and don't want to speculate. But I am sceptical.

Please explainThere will never be a 100% guarantee that immunization will prevent illness. Every year the CDC and World Health Organization must make an educated guess as to what strains of flu virus will cause problems.

There are several strains circulating at the same time now.

That being said, yes, some who were vaccinated will get the flu. But hopefully, this years vaccine(while not a perfect match) will still provide some help in fighting off severe complications.

All we can do is hope and pray.

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by GloryBound
Blitzkreig, you mention kidney "blowout" from colloidal silver. Please post a link for this. There ARE studies on colloidal silver, and I have not seen this information. Anything that goes in must come out. Either the kidney or the liver must do the job. Take a few medical classes... or better yet ask your own doctor. Or like I say... try it out it's your money and ... your body:wacko

[warbar]

My family has been taking it for about 2 months. I usually have 4 or 5 colds every winter, none of us has had any illness since we started taking it.

We got it because of Jerry Golden's website.

www.thegoldenreport.com

You can read more there.

Don't know if it helps with the flu but we're hoping!!

[GloryBound]

Originally posted by blitzkreig
Anything that goes in must come out. Either the kidney or the liver must do the job. Take a few medical classes... or better yet ask your own doctor. Or like I say... try it out it's your money and ... your body:wacko

I am a nurse. I am familiar with the concept of medical research. There have been studies done and kidney failure is not a side effect of colloidal silver. You say it is. So go find the research you are basing your statement on and show me.

Anything can have side effects. People have had to have liver transplants because they took a few tylenol. It happens. But side effects are reported and published. I've never seen the one you say you have seen. Please do us a favor and tell us where you found that out.

[Mrs. Hoppes]

http://www.the7thfire.com/ColloidalSilver.htm

http://colloidalsilver.8k.com/References.html

http://colloidalsilver.hypermart.net/silver/faq.html

http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html

http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/health/Supp/Colloidal_Silver.htm

http://www.oikourgos.com/silverworks/cs-info1.html

http://www.clspress.com/history.html

http://silverfacts.netfirms.com/pages/links2.html



I confess. I purposely went looking for info to say how dangerous colloidal silver is. Couldn't find anything as long as directions are followed.
The only dangers I have found are if it it abused or taken wrong as with anything else.

[Amen]

My wife had a severe sinus infection and pneumonia. She used CS (15 ppm) in a nebulizer and took 3 tbsp per day. In 4 days she was healed.

She had 10 surgeries in the last 1.5 years and it took its toll on her immune system. Antibiotics weren't really working anymore.

We don't have any experience with the flu yet because we haven't gotten it yet. We all just take a maintenance dose of 2 to 3 tps per day now.

It works for us.

[blitzkreig]

Sorry for the delay in reply. We went out last night. I generally don't give medical advice over the internet ... my wife is a Pharmacist in a Major Regional Hospital and doesn't particularly want her insurance rates to include internet advice. Six years in University to study Pharmacology and you don't want to jeopardize that in any way. But she is kind of a crusader against folks doing themselves harm by not seeking proper medical advice so here goes...

First let me say that a person has to be down right desperate or full on nutty to take anything which doesn't come from a major reputable drug manufacturer. There are absolutely no controls over the manufacture of such products you see every day on the shelves of herbal vendors or on the internet. You simply do not know if what you are getting is what is even on the label...

Most all of the websites I have on my computer are hers and are subscription (Medscape, MEDLINE, PubMed, etc. etc.) so if you have a subscription help yourself) but what is the use of posting a link here for you which will not work. But here are a couple which are public sites.

Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html)

FDA ISSUES FINAL RULE ON OTC DRUG PRODUCTS CONTAINING COLLOIDAL SILVER (http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html)

[KC Phelps]

We always have it on hand. We tend to slack off when we're feeling good and start taking it again if we feel a cold coming on.
God given nutrients and herbs for us!

[Crescendo]

Its unfortunate that so many who are not in the 'at risk' group (the elderly and those with a weakened immune system) are taking the vaccine so easily. There were enough vaccines produced but there's been a rush this year with the media hype. And that over a strain of the virus that isn't influenced by the flu shot that's available. It seems that there are people who need the shot that haven't been able to get it.

[bubba jones]

Hi Everybody!!:wave

For those who are not interested in trying CS, I have found that oil of oregano works really well!!! I was suffering from a sinus infection for over a month, and it wasn't going away. I went into a health food store that's sells supplaments, and asked the lady behind the counter what she would recommend. She recommended oil of oregano. I did some research about it, and found that it works better than echinachea (sp??). I have been using it for three days, and I have already seen a huge improvement!! You can find this supplement at most grocery stores in the health/natural foods area. Hope this helps!!

YSIC,
Erin

Edit: Can't spell worth anything!!! :doh :laugh

[I Believe!!!]

I used to give my family cs but refrained after calling the poison center and had them confirm that they indeed had a few reported cases of people turning blue from use of Colliadal Silver. Now, they were not able to ascertain whether it was from over dosage or extended usage. Am curious what others have to say.

Since then I've relied on Goldenseal which goes through out the body and fights off viruses. Goldenseal is very potent however, and should not be taken for more than seven days in a row, or if your pregnent (you will have a miscarriage because of it's effectiveness). The key is to take Goldenseal right when your feeling like you're about to come down with something. I also like to drink green tea, which contains strong antioxidents.

I've had people all around me with colds etc, including my child who I obviously spend lots of close time with, and fortunately I've not caught a cold this year yet (knock on wood).

Bubba Jones...great advice! I've also heard and read that oil of Oregano is also very effective for the immune system! I'll need to remember to try that as well.
:nod

[byHisGrace]

I have a friend whose son is a severe asthmatic...

She's been thru everything with that child.... every possible pill, inhalant....constant life-threatening attacks, hospitalizations, etc...

A health food store owner she talked with suggested CS, and gave her strict instructions for asthma...

She's been using it ever since for him, & he's hardly had any attacks since using it, & the attacks he's had have been minor.

She believes it's a miracle worker.... she finally has a healthy son.

[faith4ever]

I don't know about the silver, but everyone should be drinking their green tea!! :thumb 2 cups a day, every day!!

[KC Phelps]

Silver OD (http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html)

You can overdose on colloidal silver, resulting in blue or grey skin.

[KC Phelps]

Making Your Own (http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm)

[bopeep1909]

my wife is a Pharmacist in a Major Regional Hospital

This is a frustating messageboard for a Pharmacist because most people on this board believe in herbal remedies.

[faith4ever]

I'm sorry blitzkreig, but I do not trust the pharmaceutical companies at all. No more than the ones shoving out the herbal products.

I do believe that herbs and alternative methods are slammed a lot of the time by the pharm. companies though, and that the Dr's are in with them. I may sound paranoid for saying that, but that's what I believe. I see people shove tons of pills down their throats day after day, and see their health fail them regardless. It is a money thing. Pharmaceuticals make LOTS of money, and they also help the Drs too. What if everyone went to herbs, and suddenly they couldn't sell anymore pills? :freaked Think how much would be lost, how many people would be out of jobs. It would be a tragedy for them.

Herbs can be very good to have around, and in most cases, they do their job. The herbs in the stores though, are not totally trustworthy, as we really can't prove what is in them for sure. That is the problem. I grow my own, except for the green tea. :D: I love that stuff! But, I grow my own herbs to use so that I know what I am really getting, and there is no comparison to the store bought.

But, to say someone is a nut for taking herbs instead of drugs, that is a terrible thing to say. I would much rather go out of this world taking my herbs, than 20 or 30 pills a day. And, I probably have a better chance with the herbs. God made them for us!

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by faith4ever
I'm sorry blitzkreig, but I do not trust the pharmaceutical companies at all. No more than the ones shoving out the herbal products. Let's be really clear here. I don't trust pharmaceutical companies any more than I would a bank or insurance company. Which is ZERO.

However they are heavily regulated at every corner by every means possible by every level of government you could possibly imagine. The have reputations worth billions to look after (complete with perks), and because of their deep pockets (and greed) they have a lot to loose if they make a mistake.

The guy who mixes something up in his basement and sells it on the internet has absolutely noting at all to lose. There is absolutely no quality control. The health food store which sells you some product has no idea what is inside the container most of the time outside of what the manufacturer claims on the baggie they bought it in. Sometimes these manufacturers operate under multiple names... not that that is all wrong but it makes it hard to find a reputable one if they have different names. They are not regulated by government testing nor standards and by-in-large are short term operations.

There are exceptions of course but most people have no way of knowing who is who in the zoo.

If you are buying some "stuff" make sure the product has a DIN number (Drug Identification Number) on the label (at-least a measure of product reliability)and a LOT number and an expiry date. If it is found that something is not right with the product then you will be able to see if your LOT number has been effected...

But, to say someone is a nut for taking herbs instead of drugs, that is a terrible thing to say. I said one had to be nutty to take something which didn't come from a "major reputable drug manufacturer" and I stick to my opinion. There are major manufacturers for most of every product out there in the whole wide world that has any validity. If you must buy "oil-of-snake" make-sure it comes from a known reputable company... that is all. These products are drugs whether you think of them that way or not... so make sure it comes from a company which has standards as most "herb-drugs" are not regulated and do not fall under the same laws as "processed-drugs".

To wander off into the unproven, untested or unregulated you are putting way to much faith where it doesn't belong. Get advice from someone who is medically trained. Do not take some root or weed you find in the ditch or the latest fad that you find in National Enquirer or heard about from the neighbor down the street. That is not sound judgment.

[Mrs. Hoppes]

The same major manufacturing drug companies are the same ones who knowingly inject dangerous substances into a newborn baby's system.

Yes, there are drugs that "big pharm" manufactures that save lives. There are also drugs that "big pharm" manufactures that is responsible for lost lives.


What it comes down to is educating one's self about each and every drug, herb, remedy, etc reccommended and make a decision from there.

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by Mrs. Hoppes
The same major manufacturing drug companies are the same ones who knowingly inject dangerous substances into a newborn baby's system. Now that came from where? I would like to see some legitimate reference to "drug companies are the same ones who knowingly inject dangerous substances into a newborn baby's system"

Originally posted by Mrs. Hoppes
Yes, there are drugs that "big pharm" manufactures that save lives. There are also drugs that "big pharm" manufactures that is responsible for lost lives. I agree that there have been mistakes and accidents. But yes they are "responsible" and it costs them millions (or billions) for any accident they are found "responsible for".


Originally posted by Mrs. Hoppes
What it comes down to is educating one's self about each and every drug, herb, remedy, etc recommended and make a decision from there. Yes and don't forget to test it for quality control and adulteration.

I think you are missing my point entirely... so I reiterate... there is likely a reputable manufacturer for any substance you want to squirt, shoot, sniff or drink. Buy your "stuff" from a reputable company and not someone off the street or you read about in some tabloid.

[Mrs. Hoppes]

Now that came from where? I would like to see some legitimate reference to "drug companies are the same ones who knowingly inject dangerous substances into a newborn baby's system"


typing one handed here so please ignore typos.

i am talking about vaccines. for example hep b vaccine. why would a new born baby need a vaccine against a blood born pathogen unless mom is positive?

i remember a few months ago where there was a news article posted here about parents held at gun point while doctors injected the baby with the vaccine.

also the rotovirus vaccine was recalled not because babies died but because drug companies were afraid of loosing money.

there is a reason there is a 250,000 dollar cap on pay outs for death due to vaccine.

charlie had vaccines up through 12 months and i am kicking myself for allowing it. he has a mark and indentation that never went away from his 2 month shots.

i have a list of things drug companies put in these vaccines including formaldyhyde and aborted fetal tissue not to mention thermosile which most people know about.

people scream cigarrettes are dangerous. they have formadyhyde! so do vaccines. are they less dangerouse to a newborn who has no immune system yet because it comes in a needle and gets pushed straight into the system?

anyway, that is a quick answer best i could give with a wiggling 18 month old on my lap.

this thread is about colloidal silver. i think. i opened this from my e-mail.

vaccine threads have been done to death. people have their views. if you would like the ingredient label, pm me and i'll get it to you.

back to the irregularly schedualed thread.....

[Amen]

I think there are pros and cons for both scenarios and reasons why we have constraints on medical supplies. Historically there are many precidents of people pulling the old snake-oil shams and many people died due to them.

There is however a mountain of evidence showing benefit of herbal medications. One day soon christians will not be able to buy or sell anything, much less medications.

I think the Lord is sending wisdom in advance for these.

Lastly I personally know of many doctors who will not prescribe any medication unless it has been on the market for at least 2 years. With fast-track approvals the human-testings are not complete until the general public reactions are found.

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by Mrs. Hoppes
typing one handed here so please ignore typos.

i am talking about vaccines. for example hep b vaccine. why would a new born baby need a vaccine against a blood born pathogen unless mom is positive?

i remember a few months ago where there was a news article posted here about parents held at gun point while doctors injected the baby with the vaccine.

also the rotovirus vaccine was recalled not because babies died but because drug companies were afraid of loosing money.

there is a reason there is a 250,000 dollar cap on pay outs for death due to vaccine.

charlie had vaccines up through 12 months and i am kicking myself for allowing it. he has a mark and indentation that never went away from his 2 month shots.

i have a list of things drug companies put in these vaccines including formaldyhyde and aborted fetal tissue not to mention thermosile which most people know about.

people scream cigarrettes are dangerous. they have formadyhyde! so do vaccines. are they less dangerouse to a newborn who has no immune system yet because it comes in a needle and gets pushed straight into the system?
I think you read way to many grocery store tabloids. Vaccine by gunpoint? I am Canaidan... do all of the American hospitals do this?

I know the contents of vaccines. As I said my wife is a Hospital Pharmacist and my bookshelves are lined with pharmacopeia and CPS.

Sometimes I just wonder ...:tsk

[Mrs. Hoppes]

Originally posted by blitzkreig
I think you read way to many grocery store tabloids. Vaccine by gunpoint? I am Canaidan... do all of the American hospitals do this?

I know the contents of vaccines. As I said my wife is a Hospital Pharmacist and my bookshelves are lined with pharmacopeia and CPS.

Sometimes I just wonder ...:tsk

First of all, I DO NOT read tabloids. It was a link here on RR that I first read this. I was shocked and looked it up. One news source does not impress me, but when 4 or 5 reputable news sources are saying the same thing, then I give credence to it.
As for all american hospitals? Dear, Lord, I pray not. But it won't surprise me if it does start happening.
The gun point was a one time thing. But it is just the begining. Slippery Slope. Just like holding kids at gun point in a school during a drug raid where there were no drugs. There's a first time for everything.

[faith4ever]

blitzkreig, no buying off the streets here. Don't know where you got that impression. I didn't even use herbs for the longest time, until I had a nice library of books, and had studied them for a long time.

Honestly, people really need to research the herbs before using them. You have to be sure of where it's come from, that's true. That's why I grow my own. In my own yard. Though, I have been known to use ones in the wild. Never by a road or highway though because those can be contaminated by road pollution and chemicals. Plus, you have to be 100% sure of what you are gathering. I mean no doubt in your mind what the plant is. People have died eating plants they thought was something else.

I have studied herbs for about 10 years now, and I am still no expert. But, I do know a lot about them. They are not for everyone, especially if you are allergic to them. I LOVE them though. There are very few I use actually, that keep me going. One is echinacea, which I believe they are trying to disprove now. But I tell you, my homegrown stuff is the greatest. There is lemonbalm, which calms. Skullcap which calms. Mullein for the lungs. Elecampagne for the lungs. Green tea for the immune system, which I believe is one of the best immune stimulants there is. And, garlic, which is great for keeping colds and flus away, besides good old vitamin C.

I do not know about the colloidal silver though. I hear it's relatively harmless, except for permanent discoloration of the skin when too much is taken. That makes me not want to take very much, if any!

I realize there are times when prescription medicine is necessary. I work in a hospital too. And I am a professional. But, I see way too many people taking unnecessary drugs, day after day, and then being sent home with them.

If I ever get to a point where I am being told to take massive quantities of drugs, I will refuse them. I will lean on my herbal "stuff" instead, and if that doesn't work, then I hope the Lord will take me home. Hopefully my herbs and vitamins will keep me from ever getting to that point.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that there are things we can take, to keep us healthier. It's called preventative medicine. Eating healthier, and exercise, and vitamins, and even herbs now and then. ;):


Edited to add: Plus, I have a passion for them, a "calling" maybe, for them. I'm not sure why, but maybe I will be a gardener in eternity. :D:

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by faith4ever
blitzkreig, no buying off the streets here. Don't know where you got that impression. I didn't even use herbs for the longest time, until I had a nice library of books, and had studied them for a long time.

Honestly, people really need to research the herbs before using them. You have to be sure of where it's come from, that's true. That's why I grow my own. In my own yard. Though, I have been known to use ones in the wild. Never by a road or highway though because those can be contaminated by road pollution and chemicals. Plus, you have to be 100% sure of what you are gathering. I mean no doubt in your mind what the plant is. People have died eating plants they thought was something else. :nod

[faline]

I've had amazing results with colloidal silver. December is my sick month, flu shot or not for years and year! Since I've discovered silver (which I only take faithfully in December or if I feel a cold coming on) I haven't been sick at all. It's also been very effective against cuts and scrapes and urinary tract infections. I love it.

[blitzkreig]

And after you take the colloidal silver you can go and have Kelation Therapy to clean out the arteries. Think of it as your 50,000 mile service :pound

[faline]

Whatever. I think it's terrific. It also took away the horrible arthritis in my mother's hands.

[WorkInProgress]

Originally posted by GloryBound
... People have had to have liver transplants because they took a few tylenol.

:confused

Please do us a favor and tell us where you found that out.

;):

[GloryBound]

Liver damage from Tylenol is not a secret. Read the PDR. I'm a nurse. I've known of MANY cases.

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by GloryBound
Liver damage from Tylenol is not a secret. Read the PDR. I'm a nurse. I've known of MANY cases. My wife is involved in many drug trials from the scientific standpoint. She said just the other day that if Acetaminophen was introduced today, under the scrutiny that today's medications are getting, it is doubtful whether it would be approved for use over the counter.

[snowbird]

So why don't they ban it?

[KC Phelps]

Originally posted by snowbird
So why don't they ban it?

They're Trying (http://forum.lef.org/forum18/topic1005820.html)

[bopeep1909]

She said just the other day that if Acetaminophen was introduced today, under the scrutiny that today's medications are getting, it is doubtful whether it would be approved for use over the counter.


I agree, it can cause major liver damage.

[blitzkreig]

Originally posted by KC Phelps
They're Trying (http://forum.lef.org/forum18/topic1005820.html) Thanks for the site link. That is one I never had before. When you type in "Silver" it has a discussion about Colloidal silver and it's relatively benign use if applied externally and discusses toxicity and the unknown levels required to produce a toxic effect if ingested.

[KC Phelps]

My pleasure Bro.

[Mongoose60]

Having had worked in the medical field in the past,I can honestly state that there are many meds that cause liver damage.But I'am here to post about the importance of using holistic methods to protect ones-self from what is going on.Use such herbs as pure clove oil,garlic,olive leaf extract, and echinacea.

[Mongoose60]

For sinus infections though,take 10 capsules of ginger a day,for each day that you can still feel the presence of that particular problem.I started getting sinus infections after being injured by toxic fumes,years ago,at a company that made computer parts.And found that ginger was the answer for it.